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Braille

I think I finally figured out how and what you did. I'm still not sure why Literacy should be a subarticle, it isn't seperated on Wikipedia for sited reading Literacy - which wouldn't be clumped together with the alphabet. Still lost on the topic issue athough I am understanding the information flow a little better. I like the way it looks - just unclear on those points. TIA BasicallyGood (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

If you think that it should be organised a different way, please let me know, or show me. I put literacy in an article because there seemed to be sufficient material to warrant an article on it, and that section doesn't seem to be specific to the program. I took the alphabet out of the main braille one to try to reduce the size of it to a reasonable proportion - because it has so many images. Do you think that the alhpabet part would be better in a separate article? My ideas are only suggestions - I'm just trying to think of some way that the information can be arranged, whilst having meaningful and sensible-sized articles. All ideas are welcome, of course. Let me know. Chzz ► 13:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

To tell you the truth - I have no clue how it should be organized! I think you did great - just wasn't completely sure about the 'why' part of the subdivisions. Still learning as I go! I will work on the summary you suggested and will leave the rest in your capable hands!

THANKS BasicallyGood (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay - I added the lede for the literacy page, actually just moved the starting section there. When you link out to the other articles (ie Braille Challenge) do I need to include a summary of that section? Or is it just a reference point to the main article? I included one - but then deleted it because it seemed repetitive. BasicallyGood (talk) 15:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that any way of getting the thing going will be good; it can always be reshuffled later. As long as it is an improvement on the current set-up, it has to be a good thing.

If we are going to use this idea, then it will need a summary of the articles in each part with the "Main article" thing - ie in User:Chzz/Braille writing, where the highlights explain that a summary is required - for both Writing and Literacy, and in User:Chzz/Braille_literacy in the Braille Challenge part. The idea is like this;

Main article

Section one
Section two
Section three

See main article foo

Summary of the article foo goes here

Section four
Section five

See main article baa

Summary of the article baa goes here

foo

(normal article layout)

baa

Section one
Section two
Section three

See main article wibble

Summary of the article wibble goes here

Section four

wibble

(normal article layout)

I hope that this clarifies? For an example, see almost any large article, such as Microsoft#Criticism or Australia#States and territories.

Chzz ► 15:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I think I updated all of the summaries and the article(s) are ready to go if you are! Thanks again for all your help - guess you hear that a lot don't you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicallyGood (talk • contribs) 18:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

goat entry

Not only was it no problem to look over the article (please continue to point out any articles that may need proofreading), but that article was hysterical. I was unaware of the tradition of keeping a ranked goat, but I am now going to be checking the links to other ranked animals listed at the bottom of the article. (I may have to check over the article again after I stop sniggering; that really was a funny article. Alucardwolf (talk) 15:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much, that's great! Please check the Talk:William Windsor (goat) talk page, where there are some notes for possible improvements, including details of other goats. I'm hoping we might one day have templte:infobox military goat. I'm hoping to get it to 'Good article' status soon. It was in a Did You Know... and appeared on the front page for a few hours - it got over 6000 visits during that time! Chzz ► 21:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Goat

You is teh best ~~goatse~~ goat contributor evah! :-p

		The Goat Star
		For contributions to Caprinae Solidarius Lance Corporal William Windsor salutes you! Killiondude (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

For me?

Why thank you kindly. :-) It's greatly appreciated - I'll be sure and look in sometime. Maybe even lend a hand now and again. :-) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 23:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :-)

Thanks for the welcome and the help. Now I got a starting point! Ailirams (talk) 01:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Goat Star

Thank you for the award, My first actually. Surely I will help to get the article GA status. Thanks a lot!--Chanaka L (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Message moved from user page

(Message moved from my user page Chzz ► 21:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC))

G'Day Mate how do u create a sub-page???

Please Reply, thanks! The One and Only (El-Pabloski : Chat 18:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC))

Howdy. You put the above message on user:chzz - next time, please put questions here on user talk:chzz - in a new section at the end. Thanks.

Two ways to make subpages;

You could just type "User:El-Pabloski/something" into the search box, and create the page, or

You could edit user:El-Pabloski or User talk:El-Pabloski and put User_talk:El-Pabloski/something on there. That will then appear as a redlink, because the page won't exist, then you can click on it and create it. This has the benefit of leaving you with a 'shortcut' to it.

More help is available in Wikipedia:User page.

Chzz ► 21:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

H3llo and 3rr... how do u make a pictur3 small3r? thanks El-Pabloski : Chat 17:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There are two choices;

You can either use 'thumb' to make a thumbnail (in a box), with an optional caption. For example, [[file:frog.jpg|thumb|This is a thumbnail]] - shown here on the right, or

You can specify the size, such as [[file:frog.jpg|100px]] - shown here on the left. Chzz ► 09:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

That is the code used for the pictures shown here on the right.

For more options, see WP:IMAGES.

Further message moved from user page

Good Evening yaal why do i get this come up when i upload a image Upload warning The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload" ???

(The above, unsigned message was moved over from user:chzz; the message was from The One & Only Fools and Horses (talk · contribs) 17:53, 29 May 2009 Chzz ► 09:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC))

Hello again.

Please do not put messages on my user page. Please put them here, on my talk page.

It sounds like you are trying to upload a file that is not a valid file type. Permitted file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu, oga. If it is one of these, then check that the file is OK - perhaps download it again. If you still have problems, please let me know.

Good luck with it, Chzz ► 09:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It was a correct type, but its sorted now a Admin called PictureAdm-bot44 sayed it was a `Tempory error`. He has sorted it out now!

Thanks, the one & o.f.a.h's (El-Pabloski : Chat 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)#)

Back to Wikipedia

Hello, I am back to wikipedia----tireless contributor. hope u remember me. G.phanisrinivas. --Srini vas G P hani 13:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello again! Yes, I remember; well - I did when I looked on your talk. I remember all the subpages.

Welcome back :-) Please come and say hello with this. Chzz ► 13:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Leadership Initiatives

Hello! I was wondering if you could help me quick! I created a page, it's at Leadership Initiatives on Wikipedia. There is a tag regarding notability. I want to clarify just so it's not deleted again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erika.boll (talk • contribs) 15:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't panic. Time is not a problem. If it's deleted, we can get a copy of it. More soon. Chzz ► 15:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Have now looked at the article. All it has is a tag, saying "may not meet the notability guidelines for companies and organizations". Note, may not. This is not a candidate for a speedy deletion. So, the worst case is, it'll go through a deletion discussion - but that hasn't been suggested at all, yet. The tag is just a comment, to help improve it. And even if it does get nominated for deletion, the discussion lasts for 7 days. So... read the tag, and the links in the tag, which explain about what issues need addressing. Ie it needs better reliable sources. And more of them. See if you can find some and add them. OK? Let me know if you need help with it. Relax... it's just someone trying to help improve the article by saying what can be improved. :-) Chzz ► 15:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello - Kinty500

I see you have contributed to the Bell Tower (band) page. I have as well, as I noticed it on the AfD list and I thought I would give it a look.

With my help as well as others, I do believe the article is now satisfactoy. Unfortunately the AfD discussion isn't really moving along and has few people sharing their opinion.

I was wondering if you would like to contribute? if so I'll look forward to reading what you have to say about the article.

Thanks

Kinty500 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I worked on the article to help new user Element014 (talk · contribs) - but I don't feel that I can vote to keep at the moment, for the reasons at the end of User talk:Element014#Tip.

See also the other help I've given them, on the same page.

If anything changes - if sources can be found - please let me know.

Also, as a tip to you - and I don't mean this in a negative way - but I think that you need to carefully read WP:PSTS.

Cheers, Chzz ► 00:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Supersentai sockpuppetry

I believe Supersentai is using a sockpuppet, Triassic ranger, to avoid his previous warnings and discussions. Please feel free to comment on how you think of this case. 01:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

(posted by Cydevil38 (talk · contribs) 01:43, 4 June 2009 Chzz ► 02:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC))

Please remember to sign with four ~~~~'s to add your username, and the date/time.

When talking about pages or users, please link to them - for example you can put [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Supersentai]], which looks like this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Supersentai, and {{user|Chzz}} which looks like this: Chzz (talk · contribs). (My talk will not link because this, here, is my talk page).

I'm not complaining - it's not a problem - but I think that this might help you elsewhere, and also it'll save me the ten minutes it took me to sign your post, find the links, and work out what you were asking about.

I see that Supersentai (talk · contribs) has been blocked for 72 hours. If you have any further concerns, please let me know. Cheers! Chzz ► 02:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I usually use the tildes and provide the necessary links but I have been careless for a while there. Anyways, thanks for the advice. :)

My page got reverted?

hello - why did my page revert even though i had all verifiable info on it!!!

Ahmed Hasan Ansari (talk · contribs)

Done via IRC Done

William K. Black

I think I have gotten your boilerplate to the right people and so the image of Black should soon be uploaded. How do I find it and attach it to the Wiki page once that has been done? Is there a way I can search for it to see whether it has been uploaded?

Affenbart (talk) 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Not terribly easily, no. If you're lucky, the person picking up the OTRS email will let you know (if you are mentioned in the mail), or they might even add it. But this is somewhat optimistic. Better is, ask me, and I'll ask someone to have a look for the ticket. When you know (or strongly suspect) that it has been sent, please advise me of the details. Easiest would be if you know the senders email addy (or part of it), and/or all/part of the subject line.

Let me know, and I'll ask an OTRS'er to have a search.

Cheers, Chzz ► 00:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I think they will write to me when they send it, we will see. Thanks Chzz.

Affenbart (talk) 02:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool, somebody went and did it. Problem solved.

Affenbart (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi from Defence2warr

Thanks for the assistance, I was doing a little research and thought that I would make a small contribution. Just goes to show that you should read the instructions first. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defence2warr (talk • contribs) 07:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. Please take a look at the 'welcome' thing, and do ask for help whenever you need it. Chzz ► 10:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Help Appreciated

Hi there, thanks for your help on the SEACOM page. Im not sure if Seacom's own blog would count as a reliable source of information? Also I see the external link to Seacom's official website hyperlink text has been changed to Seacom Mauritius. This is a bit misleading as it is Seacom's corporate website - not sure if I should change this, but I wanted to run it past someone first. Once again, thanks for lending a helping hand - it's much appreciated. monty14 (talk) 08:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The blog most definitely will not be a reliable source - a) it is a blog, and b) it's a primary source.

Yes, I think that you should change the website link, if you think that it is more appropriate.

Cheers, Chzz ► 10:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Belltower.jpg missing description details

Dear uploader: The media file you uploaded as File:Belltower.jpg is missing a description and/or other details on its image description page. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors to make better use of the image, and it will be more informative for readers. If you have any questions please see Help:Image page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Cherie DePalma

Hey it's Cherie. You there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherie DePalma (talk • contribs) 03:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there.

When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name by putting ~~~~ on the end - this will put your login name and the date and time.

I hope things are going well, cheers, Chzz ► 08:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks For mentoring me and helping me every time -Subash Chandran ⁰⁰⁷ ׀ sign! 12:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI :- I am " Subbie " { Whom u help in IRC}

Cheers subbie! I appreciate it! Chzz ► 19:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi chzz...

AndyAce from IRC here. Thanks a ton for the help. I really appreciate it and am glad to be a part of the WikiFamily. Thanks for all the patience with the explaining. Did this with the stuff you taught me!

Cheers!

AceFighter19 (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks :-) Chzz ► 19:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

I appreciate your kind words! It can get a little vitriolic around here I've seen, but I felt very welcome reading my talk page. --Inksash (talk) 19:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. It's very refreshing to see someone who actually bothers to read help files and test things out.

Please ask for help whenever you need it, and if anyone bothers you, techno notice (groan).

Chzz ► 01:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

New to Wiki

Thanks for your welcome. I'm not sure I'm going to do this more than once or twice, it just happened that I knew the info was wrong. Nice to know that someone was noticing though. Still don't quite get the tildes though but here goes Carolina-Moonshine (talk) 20:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. The signing thing obviously worked, and you're doing great.

I hope that you're not put off editing more by the complexity; it's really not as hard as it seems. We have problems with a systemic bias, and thus people like yourself - people who might not necessarily be interested in the technicalities of editing - are exactly the kind of contributors we need.

I'd love to help in any way that I can. It'd be good if you popped in and said hello with this.

Cheers, Chzz ► 21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Zurgle99

Testing, testing, 1...2...3... --Zurgle99 (talk) 21:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Test passed :-) Chzz ► 21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Chat Feature

Cool, I found a chat feature. YES!! --Zurgle99 (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

A note about your advice on User talk:N2icv

There's nothing wrong with linking to a redirect; see WP:R2D. In that specific case, I think most people would remove the "The" entirely. --NE2 23:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know that, and I agree. I wrote it in that manner to specifically try to get the user used to formatting links with alternate text; but indeed thanks for mentioning it. Hopefully we'll get there with that article, eventually. They asked some more things on IRC and in another note, so it all looks promising. I'd rather kinda try to guide them and teach them how to fix it up a bit, than do it myself, so that they'll know how. Cheers, Chzz ► 23:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Neat

Just thought I'd say that I found your reply very informative and well-worded. Trafford09 (talk) 01:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Piratesmackkk

Re your message: Nothing to be sorry about. If you don't know the history, it is hard to know why they are saying they are back. I actually know very little about the detailing surrounding this editor, only that a community ban was placed. I had declined a second unblock request, which is why I recognized the name. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

They popped on to IRC help earlier. They asked for their unblock to be reviewed. They didn't hand around long - by the time I'd looked and seen that it was an arbcom job, they left with the parting comment "fine, sockpuppet me if you want.". Chzz ► 02:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi (Kvsecret)

How can I talk to a Wiki staff? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvsecret (talk • contribs) 06:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

We don't really have staff. We're all volunteers; we sort things out between ourselves. What's the problem? Chzz ► 06:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Braille Literacy 2

I think I finished adding all of the summaries you recommended on User:Chzz/Braille literacy. Is there anything else I should change, edit or add before its a go? Thanks BasicallyGood (talk) 16:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I have just moved Braille literacy and Braille Challenge to the live area. I have also added the summary of literacy to [[Braille].

I suggest that Braille literacy should somehow - in the first sentence - have a link to braille.

I did see your earlier message, and had been wondering how I could best address this - I think perhaps I hadn't managed to explain myself clearly enough. I hope that you will now be able to see my intention; what I was trying to suggest was a restructuring of the Braille article. I still suggest that the 'writing' part of the main braille article be split off with a similar summary and 'see main', as suggested in user:chzz/braille. I don't feel confident in doing that myself, because I do not know the subject.

Please check the live articles and see if the flow of information makes sense, and make any necessary edits.

Best regards, Chzz ► 18:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think I am starting to understand, I really do appreciate your patience with me on this! See if I have it straight... I should update the Braille article and include summaries of the articles I have already done that link to the now live articles for Braille literacy, Braille Institute & the Braille Challenge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicallyGood (talk • contribs) 14:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Only the first one. In Braille, I suggest that you make a new section like this;

== Braille literacy ==

{{main|Braille literacy}}

Braille literacy is...(summary of the braille literacy article goes here...one or two paragraphs)

You probably shouldn't add links to the others - thus it works like a tree structure;

Braille would have a summary and a 'see main' to Braille literacy.

Braille literacy has a summary and a 'see main' to Braille Challenge

I would further suggest making 'braille' easier to read, by moving all the current parts on writing into a sub-article, and then summarising that in Braille with a 'see main'.

Hope this makes sense now. Cheers, Chzz ► 15:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Watch your scripts...

[1] was obviously not correct. --NE2 09:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

What do you think was wrong with it? Chzz ► 02:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

My QTH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwood,_New_Jersey —Preceding unsigned comment added by N2icv (talk • contribs) 17:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Goat star

I showed my boyfriend the goat star you awarded me and fell on the floor laughing. Thanks for the accolade. Alucardwolf (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic! Chzz ► 02:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

TED CARFRAE ARTICLE DELETED

Hi there. I see the article I wrote has finally been deleted. I noticed supportive comments before this happened. I am really disappointed as right from the first negative comment I added lots of references but these were overlooked.

Ted Carfrae is notable as he has produced hit recordings and is known in the music industry. I know him because of my work in this field.

Just because someone doesn't have good coverage on the internet doesn't mean to say that they are not worthy to be added on wikipedia.

Is there any way to get my article re-instated as it took a lot of research to do?

Any help would be so very much appreciated. Thank you.

Unsigned message from Britboy1976 (talk · contribs) 00:08, 7 June 2009 Chzz ► 03:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}}

Please userfy Ted Carfrae to the user space of Britboy1976 (talk · contribs) if possible, per the above. Chzz ► 04:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. User:Britboy1976/Ted Carfrae. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 05:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Britboy, per the above, the article has been restored into your user space. I will add a link on your talk page. Chzz ► 05:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

NPOV, COI, and other letters of the alphabet

A couple of months ago, you had commented on an article that was up for AfD which was added for our organization (here). Perhaps the most beneficial aspect of your post was the fact that you provided consideration to the content itself - what I had deemed a editor perspective on what was behind the article as opposed to its initial content - with something called "google". Corrections and changes were made to properly support GFDL on their website, the clouds parted, the article was a keep and all was good in the world.

So where are we and why am I writing? If you would review (this) and (that) perhaps it might explain where we are with this article.

Although I believe myself to be a well-educated, articulate individual - I am feeling lost in entering the Wikipedian mindset of editorial guidance by others. As though I have stumbled into a secret realm of original D&D players isolated from society with a different mindset of instructional assistance than I am accustom to. I am exagerating a bit as it has gotten better and Whpq has provided an improved sense of dialog but there seems to be a problem in getting over the hump or something.

Maybe we need another pair of eyes, perhaps a bit of descriptive dialog, something to move this along and get to the real task at hand in providing quality user generated content for the enrichment of others to learn about and understand their world. Regardless, I appreciated your insight earlier and would appreciate additional guidance on how to better improve, reference and otherwise validate the more obvious aspects of this article.

Thank you for your time and look forward to any direction, edits and improvements you can provide.

NatGreene (talk) 21:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. Thank you for that erudite plea; I'm incredibly busy, but will try to help with it. I had a quick look, and realised that it would take some thinking about - hence I will note it down and try to find the time.

If there are any specific I can help with, please let me know.

I have sympathy for your feelings about the acronyms. It is certainly a familiar problem. Whilst efforts are made to keep things simple, with a project the size of Wikipedia, we do get instruction creep. For an amusing take on it, see WP:WTF. On a more serious note, this does result in an increase in the Systemic bias - indeed there is a project to address this, Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias.

Personally, I endeavour to bridge the void between the techies and the editors, wherever possible. Please ask, whenever you are puzzled by things.

Please keep in touch, and as I say, I'll try to help directly with the article when I have more time. Chzz ► 21:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Appreciate the response and understand that there are A LOT of articles that need help and others that need well...something else. Having transcended the AfD and from a bout with an earlier and quite stubborn Deletionist - I am feeling as though I have dropped into a whole different world. So I appreciate it even more when I discovered someone like yourself who may take the time (when found) to help to navigate these waters. As far as the Nat Greene thing goes - this is small when compared to the the larger theme of our community and history in this deleted addition. So I am using this as my training ground in a manner of speaking.

Perhaps the biggest obstacle I am facing in these edits is cursory COI label which hampers the other edits I would make - even though the highest level of NPOV and Wiki Regs are being observed. Regardless, I look forward to any guidance you my find in bringing this to fruition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NatGreene (talk • contribs) 00:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you mean this edit?

Just as a quick tip; earlier, you put this to make a link to a wiki article;

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathanael_Greene_Historical_Foundation (this)]

This displays as;

(this)

It would be better to put;

[[Talk:Nathanael Greene Historical Foundation]]

Which displays as;

Talk:Nathanael Greene Historical Foundation

This works for all articles, talk pages, etc. You can link to specific sections too;

[[Greensboro, Pennsylvania#Demographics]]

Displays as;

Greensboro, Pennsylvania#Demographics

It doesn't work for history stuff though. You do have to link to them directly. However, rather than linking to the actual old version of the page (as you did above), it's better to link to the difference - showing the specific changes made - as I did at the start of this reply.

To do that, you go to the edit (as you did before), and click "diff (previous version" - that'll show you their changes. You can copy that address and use it to demonstrate. See WP:DIFF

I hope I'm not blinding you with science here; that's the last thing I want to do. It's useful to know this stuff, though. Unfortunately, sometimes these techy parts become necessary.

Certainly it seems that you've dived in at the deep-end with all that AfD shenanigans. Don't drown - keep asking for help. Chzz ► 02:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

You are correct and I must try to remember to write structurally different on the TALK pages as opposed to the ARTICLE pages (I will think of it as being bilingual). WP:WTF did a good job describing how English does act as a better notation, who would have THUNK. My own writing style on the web has been leading one to discovery - so what I deem these "peek a boo" links from the HTML days lead the reader to drill deeper into the subject matter - allowing the casual sampler to receive at least some minor education. Regardless, WP:WTF did help, your point was well taken and personally prefer speake-de-English constructs.

Yes, birth by AfD was somewhat helpful - to date I have written MORE talk/discussion, re-read and double checked content against other Wiki articles, and cried myself to sleep over the lack of clues left by other editors (exaggerated the crying). Seriously, a disproportionate amount of time that has been spent in the margins as opposed to the content itself is amazing and apparently noted in WP:Deletionists#Criticism which humorously is being WP:TAG to WP:MERGE.

Having read about simple fact that "not all articles go to heaven" and the undue amount of work burdening editors with fluff articles and the like - it is a daunting task to admin. Additionally, the culture in what I believe you alluded to in Systemic bias, appears to be more like Cognitive distortion#List of distortions. So much energy, time, and thought over some very esoteric issues while fostering a layer of elitism discussed in the WP:WTF - it is like mowing a lawn, if you don't like to mow - plant wildflowers (arrr, remove the lawn - cry the Deletionists).

Coupled with that Newbie editors earning their strips, working up the ranks to fight WP:SPAM and preserve the Wikipedia Way of life do appear to be a bit overzealous which appears to be the reform issue of editors - balance is key, self moderation/editing ideal. So I like the WP:AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD ideal and do believe it is better to improve rather than delete WP:ATD - unless it relates to the latest craze perpetrated by some marketing firm to sell the newest 50 cent album - oh, the SPAManity!

Anyway, back to the task at hand - improving the quality of life of Wikipedians through the merciless editing of my articles (small humorous rant there). The COI has me buggered so how do I best overcome this - it is my belief that I have followed the guidelines set in WP:COI#How_to_avoid_COI_edits and even formatted the article similarly in tone and structure to other WIKI approved articles - but to no avail. Getting over this hump would appear to resolve many other issues.

The other bridge (bigger fish, hurdle, obstacle, impediment) I will be covering does deal with the WP:DIFF but more so this which I now understand to be the action of a Deletionist (those "half empty" people)

In the abstract the rational behind Deletionism, Inclusionism and even Mergism provides visions of religious wars being fought over the digital landscape in Wikiland (hmm, interesting book idea! - nah, books are dead! (tear). Though on the Inclusionist side, if digital mediums are the paper, blogs become the citizens or reporter and sites are the publisher - sourcing their material does have merit (to a degree - Britnee's blog on her neighbors fashion attire might not cut it!)

Anyway, I have WP:RAMBLED enough - WP:COI, WP:NPOV and WP:DELETIONISM appear to be the real hurdles - as always, Thank you for your time and look forward to any direction, edits and improvements you can provide.NatGreene (talk) 12:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I must admit, I was sorely tempted to just put Tl;dr here, in big letters - but I wouldn't do such a thing!

I agree with much of what you have written above. I just checked, and it is instructive to note that the entire Wikipedia articles (current revisions only, no talk or user pages, without images) comes to 4.8Gb, whilst the Current revisions - all pages including talk and user pages comes to 9.2Gb. So, almost half of the current pages are meta-pages. And that is just the current revisions...

The question of deletionism and inclusionism is indeed complex. Recently, I found myself tagging an article as requiring various improvements, and ultimately nominating it for deletion. I then spent several hours fixing up the article - which even included a trip to the library - just so I could vote against myself. This does make one question ones sanity, but ultimately, the process does work - and that word, ultimately, is what we must consider. Wikipedia gets somewhat better and somewhat worse every day. As long as the former outweighs the latter, then ultimately all will be well. At the risk of using another popular acronym, TIND - There Is No Deadline.

Anyway - as you say, back to it. Once more unto the breach. I'm in the middle of many other things right now, but will look in on the article ASAP (sic). Chzz ► 15:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Braille literacy

Braille literacy is...(summary of the braille literacy article goes here...one or two paragraphs)

You probably shouldn't add links to the others - thus it works like a tree structure;

Braille would have a summary and a 'see main' to Braille literacy.

Braille literacy has a summary and a 'see main' to Braille Challenge

I would further suggest making 'braille' easier to read, by moving all the current parts on writing into a sub-article, and then summarising that in Braille with a 'see main'.

Hope this makes sense now. Cheers, Chzz ► 15:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Help (Kesangh)

Hi Chzz! Can you tell me as to how i can join some community on Wikpiedia?

I am not familiar with this live talk feature. Is it really better than typing 'helpme' on the talkpage. Do people prefer to use the live talk feature than the' helpme' thing. Tell me more about this.

I am a bit confused. As far as i know, in order to promote an article's grade, peer review is used and to demote an article atleast some discussions are done. But, i recently saw that Shivaji was demoted to C grade outrightly by an user. Is it that there are people who are entitled to demote or promote the grade of an article and to decide the importance of an article? And why is it that an article has 2 grades, and not 1?

If i put an article for peer review, how much time will it take to finally decide the article's grade. When can the reviewing stop and who will decide if the artile really deserves a particular grade? Kindly help. Chao Kesangh (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I'll certainly try to help. Overall, it sounds like you havn't really grasped the wiki concept yet - it certainly does take some understanding. English wikipedia is a very open type of project - we have no rules, but we do have lots of guidelines. You can do just about anything you like - the only caveat being, if others don't agree, they can undo it. In these cases, we discuss it, and decide by consensus, what would be best for improving wikipedia.

To answer your queries more specifically;

Try the live help system, and see what you think. Some people find it easier to talk to a real person, others prefer to get help on their page, or read through help files. It depends on the person and the situation. I find that both work well; often smaller problems and misunderstandings can be sorted out more quickly through direct conversation, and more complex issues are often addressed better on a talk page, with appropriate links and examples. A combination of the two can work well.

Regarding article grades - anyone can decide whether an article meets the requirements or not. For example, you yourself could process a peer review or a Good Article nomination. There are guides detailing the expectations and requirements, and how the article should be assessed - in fact, I highly recommend getting involved in the process, as, by seeing it from the other side, you learn the kind of criteria expected of higher-graded articles.

Hence, the user was perfectly entitled to demote Shivaji if they felt that it did not meet the requirements. If you disagree, you should discuss it with them - start a dialogue on the article discussion page, and ask what changes would be needed (in their opinion) for the article improvement.

I'm not sure what you mean about an article having 2 grades; please elaborate

A peer review does not take a fixed time; unfortunately, there is a backlog of requests, and so they can take some time to begin. In my own experience, a peer review usually goes on for a week or two, typically - but the time can vary tremendously, depending on how quickly the issues are addressed.

I hope that this helps a little; please let me know if you need further clarifications. Cheers, Chzz ► 19:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the moment, i am a bit busy, so don't have time to go through all the aspects of Wikipedia and thus, time and again come knocking at your door. By saying 2 grades, i meant that there's a grade each for an article like Shivaji under Wikiproject Biography and Wikiproject India. Kesangh (talk) 07:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries; if there is anything you think needs fixing up, and don't have time, let me know - and I'll either do it myself, or flag it up for others.

I'll investigate why this article has two differing assessments, too - but it's probably just that it hasn't been updated on one. Chzz ► 07:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Chzz ► 07:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Chzz. I really appreciate that. Shivaji was coronated on this day in 1674 as per the Gregorian calendar. I have added the relevant information to the On this day... section, but my edits are not visible on the Main page. I have understood the criteria required for listing an event on the Main page, but who's going to really put the particular event(if it deserves so) on the Main page, the admins? How to get an admin to see if the event i am talking about could be included on the Main page? If possible, can you yourself add the relevant information on the Main page. I got to go. Also, as asked earlier, tell me if i can join any community on Wikipedia. Kindly help. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 07:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. Due to overwhelming levels of vandalism, the main page is one of the very few that cannot be edited directly. Instead, in this case, you need to go to Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries and add your suggestion to the queue there. Please read that page and try to add it. If you have trouble, let me know - maybe tell me the text you want to add, and I'll do it for you

To get further involved in the community, I suggest joining projects - for example, I notice from the discussion page for Shivaji that it is part of "WikiProject India". To add yourself to this project, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Members and add your name. Then, look at the discussions in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_India, and join in. Look at the discussion pages of other articles of interest to find other project groups - or, browse through Wikipedia:PROJECT#Directory. Cheers, Chzz ► 15:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I add pictures to articles?

Thank you for your welcome message. Can you help me with a question? How do I add pictures to articles? I have tried to search for instructions on Wikipedia, but have so far been unlucky to find anything helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rterrace (talk • contribs) 13:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Try, for example, [[file:flower.jpg|thumb]]. For more information, see WP:IMAGES. Chzz ► 02:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Rterrace (talk) 03:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the example. I added the flower to your talk page (to the right). Rterrace (talk) 03:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice! Chzz ► 03:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Programming

Hi, saw you responded to my help request, I'd love to help with the templates. NoRmIaD (talk) 23:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Great! I'd suggest reading Help:Template and Help:Advanced templates - and testing all the things out in your user area to make sure that you understand it.

Then, have a look at Wikipedia:Requested templates and see if you can help out.

Good luck. Chzz ► 03:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank's NoRmIaD (talk) 22:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Help needed for creating a new page

I want to create a new page for a famous surgeon in India. His speciality is that he does the surgery of large intestine by a procedure call total procto-colectomy for the people suffering for ulcerative colitis and familial adenametous polypsis. the speciality of this procedure that he removes the entire large intestine and replaces that with some artificial stuff called staples. this uniqueness of this procedure is that unlike other doctors who remove the intestine and attach a bag for the excretion on the abdomin for the life, he doesn't puts a bag. he is the only surgeon in India who does this type of surgery. i want to create a page for him to spread the awareness so that others can benefit from this.

thanksJainav (talk) 10:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, as a new user, I recommend creating a test page (as explained in the welcome note), and trying some things there. There are also tutorials and help-files linked in the welcome.

Secondly, I suggest editing some existing articles before creating a new one - to get used to Wikipedia style.

When you do want to create this new page, there are some questions;

Do you have a 'conflict of interest' here? If so, please read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI

Is this person sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article? See the criteria WP:ACADEMIC and WP:GNG.

Are there enough reliable, secondary sources of information to make the article? All the facts must be verifiable - there must be reliable sources available, such as newspaper articles or books. Note that primary sources will not be enough.

If the proposed article meets all of the above criteria, then I suggest trying to write it in your own area first, and asking someone to take a look at it before making it live. Good luck with it, and please ask for help whenever you need.

This talk-page is archived regularly, so I will put a copy of this message on your own talk page. Cheers, Chzz ► 22:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Trying to move a page from my user space to the main area

Hi. I've created a page in my user space. Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avizhenc/David_Shenk

How do I submit it for the main space?

Thanks,

avizhenc14:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avizhenc (talk • contribs)

Before you do that, you need to add references, otherwise it will be quickly deleted.

All facts must be referenced to reliable sources - such as newspapers or books. The reader should be able to check the facts - we call it verifiability. So, the article should have inline references. If I am reading the article, how can I know that he was born July 11, 1966? You have to provide a reference to something I can trust, to back up that fact - and all the other facts. For help with how to do this, see user:chzz/help/ref. Good luck, Chzz ► 15:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Need some help

Hi Chzz, thanks for helping. However, I want the page history to appear instead of the actual page itself from that specific version downwards. Basically, I am trying to link to a series of edit summaries and want to see them on one page as they are concurrent (from way back in 2006). Is this clearer now? Thanks again for the help — Lost^(talk) 15:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, right - I see. Same sort of thing; just get to it and copy the URL. You'll have something like this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_W._Bush&offset=20090406190545&limit=250&action=history (giving this)

You could also fiddle with it manually. The 'offset' is the year, month, day and time, and the 'limit' is the number of entries to show.

There's a few other options, if you need more - let me know. Chzz ► 20:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is just what I wanted. Thanks! — Lost^(talk) 05:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

References are in place -- ready to add to main space

Chzz,

Thanks for your earlier response. I think I've now added sufficient references to my page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avizhenc/David_Shenk

Can you help me figure out how to move it to the main space?

Thanks,

Avizhenc17:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avizhenc (talk • contribs)

There are some problems with the article;

The references to "davidshenk.com" are primary sources. These are not permitted. The reason being, I could, for example, make a page about 'Chzz' being the Queen of England, and just add that information to my own myspace page. This means that quite a lot of the facts are not supported by references to reliable sources.

The reference to the MP3 file isn't an appropriate reference as such - it should instead appear as an external link. If you are citing information given in the interview, then you can do that - but you would cite the actual interview itself, not the MP3 file, and you'd put the MP3 as a 'convenience link'. So, you give all the details that you can within the reference tags - e.g.

<ref> Interview with xxx, broadcast on yyy channel, 1 Jan 00, ...etc </ref>

I'm not sure if the link to the MP3 is appropriate at all - isn't it a copyrighted file?

There are too many external links. There should probably be just one or two; please check which are appropriate, by looking at the external links policy.

If the above issues can be sorted out, then I think that the article can be made live. Good luck, Chzz ► 20:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Unified login

Hello Chzz:

I am using unified login with the same name. Both ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount gives me same list of sites attached to unified account:

commons.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org en.wikibooks.org en.wikinews.org en.wikiquote.org en.wikisource.org en.wikiversity.org en.wiktionary.org www.mediawiki.org meta.wikimedia.org ru.wikipedia.org species.wikimedia.org test.wikipedia.org

however my "landing pages are DIFFERENT": http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Участник:Anthony_Gursky not in sync with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anthony_Gursky, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Обсуждение_участника:Anthony_Gursky not in sync http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Gursky, and I believe so forth...

I think it's a little confusing - if UNIFIED ACCOUNT claims to be UNIFIED, landing pages MUST be in sync no matter through which server (ru.wikipedia.org or en.wikipedia.org I am login in) or I am grasping smthng...

Any comments ?

Thank you.

ag —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Gursky (talk • contribs) 10:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The 'unified account' concept is merely to facilitate the login process, and to avoid problems if the same name is in use on other Wikipedias. Each language Wiki have their own rules, systems, conventions; therefore it is impossible to have a 'shared' user page or talk page, or to synchronize the pages. Most of us put a very brief message on other language wikis with an interwiki link to the talk page that we most frequent.

Cheers, Chzz ► 10:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

accepted. thx :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Gursky (talk • contribs) 06:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC) GREAT! Anthony Gursky (talk) 21:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC) Anthony Gursky (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Software platform evaluation for multilingual project

(moved down here by Chzz ► 16:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC))

Hello Chzz: This message is in regard to subject "Software platform evaluation for multilingual project" - e-community association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_association) THINK with prefix "e-" ! Targeted audience is an e-intentional community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community) (one more time, we are considering VIRTUAL community, main communication between members goes via Internet) There are some businesses inside which are owned by residents/members, so for certain members this businesses are suppliers, for other members - same businesses are consumers. Software platform must satisfy communication needs between members - messaging, email, document exchange, maps/calendars/syncronization, search, advertizing, BBB (The Better Business Bureau) by popular vote/consensus. Software platform must have some SaaS features (Software as a Service) and certain scalability (access from mobile devices up to desctops/workstations). Main purpose is to eliminate cross-cultural misunderstandings and to facilitate international contacts (business, civic, spiritual, etc.) Software platform must help to enforce self-reliance to it users - members of e-community. As of now main contenders are Wikimedia (http://www.wikimedia.org/) and Google Apps (http://www.google.com/a/) or may be symbiosis of both. Any comments on features of both platforms/engines will be appreciated. If this Talk messages will be considered out-of-scope I will appreciate any suggestions/reference whom to address. Thank you ! 92.113.124.177 (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello there.

When you leave a message on a talk page, please create a new section at the end of the page. Also, please "sign" your name by putting ~~~~ at the end - this will add you user name, and the date and time.

With regard to your question - I'm not quite sure what you are asking. If you are asking for my opinion on some software, then yes, that is out of scope - indeed out of the scope of Wikipedia, and thus we don't have an appropriate forum to discuss it.

If you're asking about how to make an article, then I can help with that. In the case of making an article about that organization, I'd first say, a) get an account, b) read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI, c) get involved with editing some other stuff first to get the hang of things, d) check that it's a notable organization, as defined in WP:ORG, e) make sure you get reliable sources that are verifiable (and not primary sources).

Cheers, Chzz ► 17:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Note, the above message appears to be from Anthony Gursky (talk · contribs) Chzz ► 09:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, for all what you are doing. What if to make output of your IRC talk as a draft pages for e.g. wikiversity project about wiki ? Just edit it, choose levels (units) and go... Anthony Gursky (talk) 12:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Done - now I know how to do it ! Anthony Gursky (talk) 04:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Nice idea, but...I think that the software is quite well documented, really. I just tried to explain some specific things, in response to specific questions. Anyway...I'm rather too busy editing Wikipedia to get involved in yet another wiki! Cheers, Chzz ► 13:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)--just small typo corrected-- Anthony Gursky (talk) 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Testing Anthony Gursky (talk) 04:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Married To The MOB

FYI: User_talk:Lipprint66#Leah_McSweeney_now_live_again. Trafford09 (talk) 10:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Newly-commenced Archiving

Hmm. The good news re my newly-commenced Archiving is that MiszaBot III has put 36Kb into a safe place [2].

The bad news is that I can't see where said safe place might be! "Help" :) Trafford09 (talk) 10:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, how should the "Search" button work, in my Archiving box? I typed in Hello, but it didn't seem to find the section that I'd given that name. Trafford09 (talk) 10:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Done Chzz ► 15:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

References and other things fixed

Chzz,

Thanks for your patience and walking me through this. Could you take another look and let me know if we're ready to move this to the main space?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avizhenc/David_Shenk

AvizhencAvizhenc (talk) 15:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, looks ok to go live. Do you want to move it over, or shall I do it for you?

Of course, things can be improved - but that's true of anything - so don't worry if people mark it up as needing things (like incoming links or something) - just look at it as suggestions. I think that it's very unlikely that it will be deleted now, and it certainly won't be 'speedy deleted', so you can relax a bit.

Let me know if you make it live yourself, or want me to. Chzz ► 15:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

If you could do it, that would be great. Thanks.

Avizhenc (talk) 19:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that you've managed it yourself, before I got to this message - good stuff! Chzz ► 06:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Done by the user. Chzz ► 11:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:frequency response function

Hi Chzz. Thanks for the message...And well, no you didn't tread on any toes here. I absolutely agree with your closing of the request. Best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 20:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool bananas. Chzz ► 20:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. This is a test. North North-West (talk) 22:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

This is a test reply. Chzz ► 22:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for taking over an hour to help me get the basics of Wikipedia, especially after I was blocked. You've set me on the right path North North-West (talk) 22:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It means a lot. I'm glad that you've found your feet, and you know where to find me whenever you need help. Chzz ► 00:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. You deserved it. ;) --North North-West (talk) 01:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Per your note at my RfA

I very rarely edit anything related to the Middle East in general. I really don't know where the claims of bias are coming from. I've been editing Wikipedia since February 2007 and I've never been accused of being biased until now (although vandals have called me plenty of other names!). If you'd like, you can check my contributions. I don't get involved in Israel/Palestine discussions at all. A comment that might interest you. Enigma^msg 23:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for that feedback. I must admit that my comment was, to a certain extent, designed to rattle. Your response has been reasoned and clear; therefore I am happy to be able to support your nomination. I wish you the best of luck. Chzz ► 00:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|Ertemplin|Help with user page}} Very funny. Do you really know?? Ertemplin (talk) 00:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

^n$w3r3|) 0n (_)53r tal|< |*a63 Chzz ► 09:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Whack!

You have been trouted for: Haha... good thing I can read 1337!! :D

Ertemplin (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Help - Kesangh

Hi Chzz! I don't understand what's happening Chzz. The Wikipedia page appearing on my desktop is very small in terms of text, figures and everything. It's a bit annoying. Is it a minor or a major glitch? This started happening about 4-5 hrs ago. I restarted my PC but to no avail. And the edit tool bar which used to appear earlier and had stopped appearing for the past few weeks, suddenly appeared today but then this problem started and now there's not even the toolber to be seen(the show edit toolbar option in my preferences is also ON) What to do? Kindly help. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 12:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like a local browser setting. Most likely you've accidentally pressed SHIFT and scrolled the mouse wheel, thus zooming out. The answer depends on what browser you are using; if it's Internet Explodrer, then try View, Text Size, Larger (or medium). If it's Firefox, try View, Zoom, Reset.

Something in the browser menu will fix it; check through the options. Let me know if you get it sorted, or need more help. Cheers, Chzz ► 13:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Chzz! You seem to have an answer for everything. I sorted out the problem by using the view option. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 13:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Shivaji

I've put this article up for review and i would like you to review it. It deserves a better rating than the one it currently has. The article seems to be well structured and covers the entire life of Shivaji. It no more seems to have the problem of NPOV and peacock terms. Kindly go through it. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 13:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I will look at it later today (within the next 12 hours). Cheers, Chzz ► 13:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Working on it now; sorry for the delay Chzz ► 09:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The article is certainly interesting, and has potential. I do, however, see quite a lot of problems with it at the moment. In my own opinion, it should not actually be a B-class article yet, because one of the criteria for that is, "The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary". I think that the main issue to address is the lack of citations. It would be difficult and challenging to verify the information at present, because so many parts are not referenced.

My best advice on it would be, take a good look at a similar 'featured article' - because these are exeplary, and demonstrate how things 'should be done'. In this case, for instance, you could read Ganesha.

I see that a peer review is ongoing, and I hope that will help provide further suggestions.

Good luck with it, Chzz ► 13:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Chzz for going though Shivaji. I've provided some more inline citations(Kindly check the history [3] to see the changes). A serial has been provided as a reference. More information about the serial can be obtained from the website of 'Star Pravah'(www.starpravah.com). However, the thing that annoys me is that the reference name appears many times(for the times the reference has been used- see [4]) in the references list instead of just a single mention of the serial's name. Why does this happen and how can it be avoided? The serial is currently running so as i watch the serial, i would be able to provide more inline citations. What say? Kesangh (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I have left notes about 'named refernces' on your own talk page. It would also help if you provided more details of what you are citing - it just says, "Raja ShivChhatrapati. Star Pravah" - perhaps you could use a citation template, like Template:Cite episode or something? For help on how to use citation templates, please see user:chzz/help/refs. Cheers, Chzz ► 17:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Haida19

Just to thank you for the welcome and apologize for the delay. But, as they say, better late than never...Haida19 (talk) 09:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Please come and say hello. Chzz ► 11:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Moving an article

Well, I don't think it'd be a good idea for me to just move the article. Perhaps I should let you know what the article is. It's James Stewart (actor) which as I read Wikipedia naming conventions for people, should really be located at Jimmy Stewart. I only noticed the odd location because I was creating a quick list of links to articles on my user page. I suspect that if I just moved the page, I would offend a lot of people who have their own reasons for believing it should be where it is. Open discussion seems unlikely to budge it unless attention is brought in from outside the usual editors of the article. That's why I was wondering if there is some kind for formal process that could be initiated, like I've seen on some articles which have been nominated for deletion. (Note, I'm rather new here, having just learned about signing posts). Yworo (talk) 13:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

We don't go in much for formal processes; we try to sort everything out through discussion, with the intent of reaching a consensus.

I see that this is now being debated in Talk:James Stewart (actor)#James? - so hopefully a consensus can be reached. If you think that more input would help (and it's always better to get more people to build consensus), then you could post a quick note in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, and ask them to please look in on the discussion.

I hope that things will proceed well, and that this will be a great introduction to how we sort things out on Wikipedia. I *hope* that you won't need this link, but if things do get tricky, see WP:DISPUTE. Remember, in the discussion, to focus on what you would like to change - and whatever else happens, don't climb the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man :-)

Chzz ► 20:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The Anniversary page

Thanks for responding to my request for help on "the Anniversary." The film I am trying to write about is not the 1968 Black Comedy, but us a 2009 Romantic Comedy written and directed by John Campea. The current page that I have put up is titled the Annivesary Film. However, it doesn't show up when I search wikipedia for it. I would like to change the title to "The Anniversary (2009)" or something along those lines, and be able to link to it from the page for John Campea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weebleman (talk • contribs) 19:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

OK - the actual title of the article that you have created is, "The Anniversary (2009 film)" - hence [[The Anniversary (2009 film)]] gives the link that works, The Anniversary (2009 film).

Currently, searching for "The Anniversary" gives an article about the rock band, but at the top it says "This article is about the rock band. For other uses, see The Anniversary (disambiguation)" - you can see this in The Anniversary.

Hence, there is an article entitled "The Anniversary (disambiguation)". I have just edited that page, and added a line about the 2009 film - you can see this in The Anniversary (disambiguation).

I hope that this clarifies how 'disambiguation' works?

You might think that typing in 'The Anniversary' should take users directly to the 'disambiguation list', instead of the rock article - I think I feel that that would be better. In that case, what we would do is;

Move The Anniversary (which is about the rock band) to the new title "The Anniversary (band)"
Move The Anniversary (disambiguation) to "The Anniversary".

I hope that you see how this would work? If you want to try and do it yourself, then by all means, be bold and have a go. If you mess it up, don't worry - anything can be undone. If you'd rather I did it, just ask.

For more on the subject, see WP:DISAMBIG.

Cheers, Chzz ► 12:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Charles Dennis

Chzz,

This is Cerberusrunning. I'm working on the Charles Dennis article and it is currently up to snuff, and all the comments at the top of the article about needing to be "wikified" can now be romoved. Will you please point me in the right direction to get the

This article or section has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page. It does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve it by citing reliable sources. Tagged since May 2009.

It reads like a personal reflection or essay. Tagged since May 2009.

It may need to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Tagged since May 2009.

reomved so I can move on the work on toher articles? Thank You, Cerberusrunning (talk) 01:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Cerberusrunning 20090611

Chzz,

Hello. This is Cerberusrunning again? Do you know how I would go about contacting some of the other wikipedians who've made changes to the Charles Dennis article?

I'd like to contact them as recommended by Wikipedia policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Warning_messages#What_to_do

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Cerberusrunning Cerberusrunning (talk) 01:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC) 20090611

I've removed those tags - you could actually have just removed them yourself, if you felt they had been dealt with. I have, however, added a new one - please don't hate me for it; tags are designed to advise on how things can be improved, and give guidance. See this edit.

The references need improvement because a) they lack detail, and b) they are not 'in-line'. Ideally, every fact in the article should have a little [1] or [2] next to it, to indicate where that information comes from - so that it is easy for the reader to verify the information (if they so wish). That's not to say that the references must be available on the internet - far from it; books and printed papers are fine.

As for how to do references, I will add advice on that to your own talk page, so that you can 'experiment' with it on a test page.

If you have any questions, or need help with it, please ask me further. Cheers, Chzz ► 12:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

i'm stuck with problems on my science project!

hello. may I ask you where I can find the classification of sponges for order, family,genus,and species? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivy Vega (talk • contribs) 04:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, Sponge#Classes seems like a good place to start. Apart from that, and looking at other articles, I suggest asking on the Reference desk. Chzz ► 11:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Well, that's a hard-learned lesson. Hardly a terrible problem, though. Joe Scarborough isn't worth my angst.

I had tried to create my own test page, but got lost in the instructions. What you provided above is very helpful, and I will certainly go that way in the future. Thanks again. Mrs. Peel (talk) 16:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page Chzz ► 16:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Chzz -- Received your messages on my page. It's all terrifically helpful. I'd been wanting to synch my username and signature for a long time. I submitted the request, as you'll be able to tell from the IP address below. I will certainly be in contact with you in the future. Good to know you are there, as well as others. Onorem had talked to me on my page a while back, but I didn't understand that I could approach admins. This will change my WP life! Thanks, 70.57.45.236 (talk) 00:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC) , aka Mrs. Peel

Great, I'm glad you've got it sorted out. If you ever need help with anything, just ask. Cheers, Chzz ► 00:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Note about reviewing Articles for Creation submissions

Hi. When you review AfC submissions, such as you did here, please remember to leave the ts=, u=, and ns= fields intact. This helps us know when submissions where submitted, and helps us find old ones in case a user has requested it. It also prevents my bot EarwigBot I, from having to do unnecessary work. Thanks! The Earwig ^{(Talk | Editor review)} 21:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha. I was wondering about this. The 'Quick instructions' on Wikipedia:Articles for creation specifically state you should put {{AFC submission|D|reason|Your reason here}}, and the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewing_instructions#Reviewing_articles is also a bit confusing - I see now that it does say, "Do not remove the ts or a parameters" there, but the examples given don't have the extra parameters. As the template seemed to be disregarding them, I didn't know that they were necessary.

In future, I will leave those parameters in place. Would you like me to check over the ones I've done, or will the bot sort things out? Chzz ► 21:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The bot has sorted things out on all of the four pages you declined: [5], [6], [7], and [8], so there's no need to worry about that. So it happened because the instructions are unclear? Thanks for telling me; hopefully I can fix them now. Oh, and welcome to the project! The Earwig ^{(Talk | Editor review)} 22:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks for that. Yes, I think that the instructions are unclear - when there are examples of templates like that, the tendency is to copy them in and fill-in-the-blanks. Because they are 'closed off', and lack the parameters in the real thing, I think it's a bit confusing - especially in the 'quick instructions'.

And, thanks for the welcome. I dabble in lots of areas; I helped a user get their AFC processed as part of a helpme request, and then decided to look at some others and see if I could help clear things down a bit. Cheers, Chzz ► 22:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:help

I just wanted to make sure somebody knew what was up. Thanks!--gordonrox24 (talk) 02:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem.--gordonrox24 (talk) 02:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Reasons for declining article? on L. WESTON

The reasons you posted appear a little vague so I wanted to get more specifics.

The name appears in various wikipedia pages as a newspaper columnist, Reagan official and in news articles as a whistleblower who got over $1 million in non-wikipedia sources. I came across the name numerous times in research on the Nicaraguan revolution and realized I couldn't find a single page on this individual.

At fist i thought it was different people but was able to tie the various references together into a single person. I guess any person who merits reference in other wikipedia pages should have a link to a single page giving some kind of bio. I couldn't find college or educational references however anywhere.

Thanks for your advice and help.

James - —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesElby (talk • contribs) 05:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for contacting me; I hope that I can help.

The first question for any new article is, is in notable? The gheneral notability guideline is that "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". All of those terms are defined in detail, but I think that is the most important thing.

In this specific case, I checked the references, and I saw that they were really just 'passing mentions' - they were not articles *about* this person, but articles about other things that mentioned them.

Please note, that policy on notability also explains that notability is not 'inherited'; the subject itself must be notable.

Please note that, if the subject is notable, the next question becomes, "Are there reliable sources that are independent to verify all the facts? We must try hard to only add information that can be checked, by referencing sources such as newspapers or books. We are particularly careful about this when it comes to biographical articles.

All of these policies have been agreed by all of us - the Wikipedia community - through discussion. The idea is top prevent people from adding false information.

We have all kinds of guidelines on this, and in the case of Biographies, the policy is WP:BIO.

I hope that this helps to clarify things for you; please do ask me again if you have any questions at all. It would be even better if you talked to us live, with this link. Cheers, Chzz ► 12:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (Jjames3000)

Thank you very much for helping me. ^^^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjames3000 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome; it was nice to meet you. Please note that, above, the 'signing' didn't work. You typed four ^s, and you need to type four ~s. Not a big problem, but you'll know next time :-)

I'm replying here to demonstrate the talk pages a bit more. It's normal to reply underneath a comment, when responding. I've indented this reply, by putting a colon (:) at the start of each line.

Of course, because this is on my own talk page, you would not be alerted to the fact that I'd replied - unless you happened to check back. So to avoid that problem, I'm now going to put a short note on your own talk page to let you know. I actually have a little 'template' to do that - hence the box with the 'alien'.

Hope that this is making sense; please do ask for more help at any time. Best of luck, Chzz ► 13:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You!

Hi Chzz. Thank you so much for sorting out my copyright/deleted page issue. I really appreciate it. Best regards! Credible Talent (talk) 22:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

A helpful guy

Chzz is a helpful guy...who likes sausages and tea.

Thanks, --Aesop117 (talk) 00:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) Chzz ► 00:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Shivaji

Thanks Chzz! I’ve made the relevant changes to the references of the article. Speaking about the serial- Raja ShivChhatrapati(aired on Star Pravah), i had mentioned the website of the channel- www.starpravah.com on your talkpage. Somehow i am not able to access the website. It would be really nice if someone else or if possible you could get the necessary info about the serial from the website. Kesangh (talk) 07:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I cannot paste things from that site, as it would be a copyright violation. Can you not access addresses like this one? Chzz ► 17:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Chzz, i didn't note the episode number(for the purpose of citing) while watching the serial as I didn't start watching the serial for the purpose of noting down the facts and using it for Wikipedia. I don't even know the episode number which is currently being aired(However, i do know that the serial has completed 100 episodes). Is it not enough to just know the serial title, the network airing the serial and the people associated with it. Is mentioning the episode no. that important? Kesangh (talk) 18:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Just give as many details as you can. You might also try googling for the episode title(s), as there might be a list of episodes somewhere on the interwebs. Chzz ► 18:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Automatic Edit Summaries and New section Placements and Bot Archiving

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at User talk:G.phanisrinivas. Thank you. Srini vas G P hani 08:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

Answered inline on user talk. Chzz ► 17:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

addmision

Sir i got 79.12% in HSC & 109 in PCM\134 in PCB so in which college & in which field should i get addmision. Please help me out. Shailesh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.138.123.193 (talk) 08:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Chzz ► 17:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hermann Mucke (bioscientist)

Hi Chzz. We cross paths a lot on helpmes, help desk, etc. and I wish I had dropped by before now just to say hello. I only have a moment as I am going to the movies and must leave but I don't know that removing all the inline citations to primary sources in Hermann Mucke (bioscientist) is the right course. These are not self-published sources but primary sources which have been (apparently) published in peer reviewed journals. As noted at Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources: "Primary sources that have been reliably published (for example, by a university press or mainstream newspaper) may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them...." I haven't given this a lot of thought nor have I studied the article closely to see if it makes interpretive claims using them, but I did want to drop a quick message before it fell out the other side of my head (and note that I won't be able to respond to any reply until many hours from now). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did wonder about my action. If you think that it's inappropriate, please undo things. I don't feel all that strongly about the issue; I was merely trying to think of something that could be done to attempt to 'fix' the issue, and on BLP's I tend to agree with Jimbo, that unsourced stuff should go; I think that most of the primaries are not appropriate refs for the claims asserted - it's more a link to the actual publications, rather than a reference. I moved them to that section to try and 'see the woods from the trees' - and then hoped I could go through and source things. When I was unable to do so, I did remove the two sections that made the various claims about the person. As I say, I'm quite open to ideas on that one. It's frustrating, with articles like that - I could spend many hours trying to sort it out, but it would probably be fruitless; I've already spent an hour or so trying to look up the info about the uni attendences, birthday, awards, etc, and not found anything. Thanks for commenting; it's a tricky area, and I do welcome your thoughts and ideas about how such articles should be fixed. Chzz ► 17:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

B.C. Rich Warlock

It's an article about a guitar model. It's a well known guitar model. It has a link to the maker's guitar model. The article may be small but what exactly do you mean by "no independent source"? --Mecanismo | Talk 00:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Answered on user talk Chzz ► 19:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Automatic Archiving

I would like my talk page to be archived after 168 hours. The archiving must be done datewise, i.e. if the timestamp is in the year 2008, it must go to the 2008 page and so on... Maybe a bot can't do that. And my archive pages are by the year names and not by Archive 1, Archive 2,.....Archive $n$ . See for it and then set to archive. Also see my archive alert at User:G.phanisrinivas/Archive, Thank you, --Srini vas G P hani 04:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Asked further on user talk Chzz ► 19:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Chzz/help

This folder of subpages, Chzz/help is really very nice especially the volupak article. I liked it a lot. --Srini vas G P hani 05:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

May I ask when you will be back ?

Just stop to say "Hi"

Anthony Gursky (talk) 14:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Notice the what it ~~said~~, erm... said right beneath the header ↑. (He was on a wikibreak). :)--Cubs197 (talk) 20:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ryngleighdar

Hey just stoping amd saying thanks for writting to me u r a wikifriend of mine w/b Ryngleighdar (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[x+1] submission - marked for speedy deletion by Passportguy, tossed 2u

Chzz, Hey, I remember you helping me on article how-to in the chatbox!

The article now in your court - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chzz/X%2B1 - shows that the history section does not have cites or references. However, this section is information provided by the company itself. Does a company history have to have an independent, outside source to verify its veracity?

Please advise, thanks.

Michael O'Brien (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussed on user talk page (re. can't find sources) Chzz ► 11:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

G.phanisrinivas → Srinivas

Hello, chzz! I am G.phanisrinivas and I have changed my name to Srinivas. --Sri niv as 09:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

BasicallyGood Archive note

Thanks for the heads-up chzz! I've been on vacation - but plan to continue tweaking all of the Braille/Literacy/Challenge articles next week! I greatly appreciate all of your help :) BasicallyGood (talk) 16:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks my friend

Thank you very much for taking the time to voice such kind support at my RfA Chzz. I really appreciate that. You're truly one of the "good people" here, and I'm glad to consider myself one of your friends. ;) Cheers — Ched : ? 20:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I need advice on how to request admin help

You left a welcome note on my talk page telling me to contact you if I ever needed any help or advice. Please see my talk page for a discussion about an article I wrote on Jeffrey F. Bell. This article was deleted by an admin without any advance notification or warning. He is telling me that once an article has been deleted, it can not be re-created again. I don't think that is true. I did not even know the article was previously deleted, but I found a redline that I wanted to create. My trouble with all this is that the admin who deleted the article also voted to delete that article in the discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey F. Bell. How do I request a neutral admin to restore the page so it can be improved or further discussed. Thank you for your help. Rterrace (talk) 13:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like User talk:RoySmith would be the person you would want to contact on this. He may be willing to help. — Ched : ? 18:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[x+1] submission status

Hey Chzz, If you could respond to my earlier post, that would be great. Cheers. 69.183.217.225 (talk) 15:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

sorry!

That last [x+1] request was from me, forgot to sign in. Michael O'Brien (talk) 15:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Chzz is taking a break from Wikipedia for awhile. But to answer your questions, yes, the article needs references from reliable sources that are third party (not affiliated with the company), to show that its notable according to Wikipedia's standards. See also our notability page and more specifically, the page for companies. Killiondude (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fedcap Rehabilitation Services

Hey, I just created this article, through WP:AFC, and I noticed that you previously declined it, citing lack of notability. I'm not sure if I missed something; I would think that two separate NY times articles would more than satisfy the notability requirements. Could you please explain your rationale? Thanks, Fingers ^OnRoids 01:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio, here, informed user on talk Chzz ► 20:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP ME

Hi Chzz, Sabai dee mai? I am not sure if you are available to help me, but I have been trying to upload a photo of Johannes Maas on the article I am creating. It landed on another page, and I do not know what I have done wrong. You are so smart and helpful, and now I need your help again. Kop khun kha from Jackie Jackie-thai (talk) 07:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

==Gone for a bit. Chzz ► 23:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Done on user talk Chzz ► 12:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Charles Dennis

Chzz, I added 11 references to the Charles Dennis article. What do yo think? Can the People remove the "bad" note at the top of the article? Thanks for the help. Cerberusrunning (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC) cerberusrunning

Done - tag removed; notified on talk Chzz ► 12:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Need help/WikiQuote page

Dear Chzz, I just created a wikiquote page for Jaggi Vasudev. Pl have a look and let me know if I have to add any more references or links to save it from deletion. Thanks Thendral (talk) 06:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and Welcome Back Chzz!! :) I'm so happy to see you around.
Well, it was about adding references for those quotes that I pulled out from their website; should I give reference for each quote, even if they are from the same page? (now I have removed them, after a user raised an issue (pl refer to herefor the edits ) will be adding them at a later point; also pl suggest me what title can I give, if from a website and not books?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thendral Muthusami (talk • contribs) 04:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah - unfortunately, I've never edited on Wikiquote, and hence have no idea of their policies and procedures; you'd be better asking for help on that wiki. Sorry. Chzz ► 12:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, No problem. Thank you. Thendral (talk) 14:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Good Friend Award

		The Good Friend Award
		Hi CHzz. Just wanted to thank you, mainly for your kindness and advice. You really helped me a lot! Kind regards, Lourie Pieterse 15:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy Chzz/Archive 10's Day!

User:Chzz/Archive 10 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Chzz/Archive 10's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Chzz/Archive 10!

Peace,
Rlevse
~

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it.

July 04 for you. Sorry for lateness, I had to take a wikibreak. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Great, cheers :-) I was on a break myself, so no worries. At least it's an easy date to remember :-) Chzz ► 11:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Kop khun kaa!

Sawasdee kaa! Thank you so much for helping me, you are so kind. I am slowly learning. Jackie-thai (talk) 16:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

No Wiki tags

That's a handy trick! Thanks! --Ihaveabutt (talk) 03:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

IRC chat: "cubs197 sausages don't buy themselves, "

I know you like Sausages, and Tea, probably a combination of the two, and this goes along with why you left so, here you go!

Cubs197 (talk) has given you a cup of tea, for taking the time to weather a dispute. Thanks for staying calm and civil! Tea somehow promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:WikiTea}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Copyright/Suitable and Unsuitable Articles, etc.

Chzz, thanks for your patience and for taking the time to talk to me above. I've learned a lot through our exchange. You've certainly given me a lot to think about. Best. Kajuble (talk) 03:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Youre back

So, i see you're back from your wikibreak, took one myself for a few days back in May MeteorMan7228 05:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Account creation thingy

For cross-check purposes;

I hereby declare that I have requested access to account creation.

Chzz ► 05:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Your account has been approved. Please read the guide. For the time being you will only be able to create 6 accounts per day and won't be able to create accounts with a username similar to that of an existing user; if you find yourself hitting these limits regularly, please request the accountcreator flag at WP:RPE. Thanks. Stifle (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		Through your extensive edits not only have you made Wikipedia better, but you've helped me make it better aswell. Your opinion and assistance is greatly appreciated. Alex Douglas (talk) 07:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

spot

Promise ... I will check out wp:spot. — Ched : ? 07:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re-E-mail and Watchlist

Hi Chzz, thanks for help. I have changed my e-mail and after I have received a mail from wikipedia to confirm.
I hope that will be ok, thanks again. Patrhoue (talk) 08:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Help Chzz, I have try with two new e-mail, and no mail was send to me after editing my user talk page with an anonymous login. What can I do now ? Patrhoue (talk) 07:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Aargh; I'm so sorry, I didn't know - but upon checking;

"Another watchlist-related MediaWiki function is e-mail notification of watched changes, as described here. However this is not currently enabled for Wikipedia"

This is explained in WP:Help_desk/Archive_51#Watchlist_email_notification.

Sorry I didn't get you the answer in the first place; at least we know now. Cheers, Chzz ► 15:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help; yes, after reading the archive_51, notifications by e-mail seem disabled on wikipedia.-- Patrhoue (talk) 05:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

my archives

Hi Chzz could you have a look at my archives they are repeated unnecessarily. (Off2riorob (talk) 21:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC))

Thanks very much for that Chzz. (Off2riorob (talk) 23:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC))

You had "|archive now={{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}}," - that's what caused it; that option is for listing special threads to archive immediately, comma-separated; the documentation lists that as the 'default' - not sure why, I think it's an error. Anyway - should be OK now. Cheers, Chzz ► 23:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Yea, thanks Chzz. I can remember adding it now when I wanted an immmediate archive. Best regards. (Off2riorob (talk) 23:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC))

Assamese state song

Hi,

State songs like Jai Jai Maharashtra Maza, Maa telugu thalliki, Jaya Bharata Jananiya Tanujate do exist in wikipedia, then why not “O mor aponar dex”, the state song of Assam. It has been twice deleted. I’m not gonna create the page again since I’m not experienced but would like to request you veterans to create an article on it. --Xeteli (talk) 10:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The first two articles that you mention should almost certainly be deleted; we know that there are lots of articles on Wikipedia presently that do not meet the standards required, and we're trying to sort them out - but that takes time. See Wikipedia:Other stuff exists.

The third, Jaya Bharata Jananiya Tanujate, does at least have some references to help assert notability.

The key point is, it needs "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (See WP:N). In the case of the 'Assamate state song', I was unable to find such sources. If some suitable reliable sources could be found, then it would be fine to make an article - however, it shouldn't just be the lyrics; it would have to be an article about the song - who wrote it, the history of it, that kind of thing. If this information is not available, then sadly we cannot have an article on the subject, because it would not be verifiable.

I hope this helps, Chzz ► 13:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)