User talk:Mrs. Peel

Welcome

Hello, Mrs. Peel, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} and your question on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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I'm on my way out for a few hours, but WP:CITE should be able to help you with questions on sourcing properly. If you don't see what you need there, there's probably people ready to help out at the help desk. --Onorem♠Dil 06:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Help with sandboxes

You can create your own test pages, within your own user area. For example, if I put here [[user:Mrs. Peel/testpage]], that will appear as a redlink like this;

user:Mrs. Peel/testpage

If you click on that red link, you can create that page. As it is in your own user area, you can work on editing there as much as you like, and noone will bother you. You can create as many of these user subpages as you wish - the easiest way is to edit your user page, and add code similar to the above, to give you a convenient link to your working areas.

I will now have a look at your submissions, and see if I can retrieve the work you did. I will let you know here soon.

For further help and advice, you might find it easier to talk to us live, with this link.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Having now checked your contributions, I see that nothing was actually saved to a sandbox page. I suspect that, when you tried to save, you had an edit conflict, and - perhaps not really knowing what it meant - did not actually manage to save your work. I'm very sorry, but that means that the information you typed was never actually sent up to Wikipedia - so I have no way of retrieving it.

In future, working in your own personal user space will avoid these kinds of problems.

For more help, you can either;

• Leave a message on my own talk page; OR

• Use a {{helpme}} - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put {{helpme}}, and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~~~~ at the end; OR
• Talk to us live, with this or this.

Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  16:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I tried to create my own test page, but got lost in the instructions. What you provided above is very helpful, and I will certainly go that way in the future.

I have to go out for a few hours, and look forward to whatever you can find out about the Lost Text when I return. Mrs. Peel (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Looks like you wrote that at the same time I added to the above. I'm sorry that I couldn't get the text back (as stated above); I do hope that my instructions help, and please do ask me for more help whenever you need to. I know that it can be confusing, and it is extremely annoying when you lose work. I hope that you might talk to us later, and I'll happily talk you through how to edit in userspace, etc. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Please change your username or signature

Hi.

• Fix up your signature to match up with your username, (See WP:How to fix your signature), or

• Rename your account (See WP:CHU)

For more information, see WP:USERNAME and WP:SIG.

Many thanks,  Chzz  ►  16:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

And it's done :-) Great stuff; welcome, Mrs. Peel :-)  Chzz  ►  00:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight

Hi there. Hopefully you'll remember me, from my trying to help you; well, now it's my turn to ask for help.

I'm trying to help re-launch an idea called "Spotlight". The notion is to select an article and work on it collectively, via live discussion, for one week. If lots of people get involved, it can work really well; in the past, the project died off through lack of participants. Anyone can help out, because that's the whole point - we have many and varied skills, but between us, we can do amazing things. So - please join the channel, and add yourself to the participants in WP:SPOTLIGHT. Thanks for your time!  Chzz  ►  22:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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 Chzz  ►  02:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Get well soon!

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 Chzz  ►  21:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I replied again, in the same place as above. Ages ago actually, but I forgot to mention it here - oops. Anyway, hopefully you'll be resting. Speak soon,  Chzz  ►  03:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

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Need clarification on sources

Hi~ A major thing that bothers me about Wikipedia is poor, or no, sourcing, as well as defunct links.

I know this isn't the biggest Wikipedia concern, but I've noticed a tendency for some Wikipedians to add cause of death in a person's main article, as well as to the "Deaths in _____________ 2016/2017" page immediately, without a source -- when it's still rumor. They'll have a reference number at the end of the paragraph. I read these references and, invariably, there is no mention of cause of death, or it says the cause of death is unclear.

Example: On the Deaths in 2016 page, George Michael's cause of death was immediately listed as heart failure. I read the source article, and no mention of cause of death was made. I made this correction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_December_2016&diff=prev&oldid=756683706

I cited this rule: Wikipedia rule on verifiability -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:V)

I also did it for the same reason for Alan Thicke: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_December_2016&diff=next&oldid=756683507

Rusted AutoParts reverted my change to George Michael, saying it was sourced in his Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_December_2016&diff=next&oldid=756685364

Is that valid? Even if the source in the Wiki article were correct, shouldn't that be the point of reference?

Rusted AutoParts proceeded to revert my change to Alan Thicke with the comment, "→‎13: Sourced on his page. You're being egregious." https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_December_2016&diff=next&oldid=756685775

So, what's the deal? Do you or do you not want accurate sourcing? While I was being particular, I hardly think I was being egregious. I was tidying up what, in my view, is sloppiness.

Thank you for clearing this up for me. --Mrs. Peel (talk) 22:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

P.S. By the way, according to one source, George Michael's autopsy was inconclusive. (The source is the uh, august http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/12/30/how-did-george-michael-die-autopsy-results-death-inconclusive/!) Just the last two days there are rumors he died of a drug overdose. If a reputable resource confirms drug overdose, is Rusted AutoParts going to go back and correct his change? THAT bugs me.

For lists it's often considered sufficient if such details are referenced in the linked article. In particular, before removing the information it would have been a good idea to check if there's a source - and then, if you feel that's necessary, update the list with that source.

Regarding the issue of keeping Wikipedia current when reliably-sourced information changes, that's indeed an issue, but one that would have been the same whether the information in the list is based on the (sourced) information in the main article without a separate source for the list, or whether the list duplicates that source. In either case we'd have two separate articles that require updating when new information becomes available. Huon (talk) 14:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Huon. At the time I did search the internet for confirmation that heart failure was Michael's cause of death. Either no information was available, or there was the same conjecture by his manager. Is conjecture enough in a list article?

It's been updated, and now George Michael's Wiki page is written accurately, with good sources. You're saying that to change the list page, I should use the same source his Wiki page uses, and not reference the George Michael Wiki page? Or are you saying that Rusted AutoParts gave me correct information when he said, "Besides, it's on his Wiki page." (Can't remember for which individual that was.) ~Thank you.--Mrs. Peel (talk) 18:59, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Rollong Stone, being aware of the autopsy, still says he died from "apparent heart failure" without reference to the manager, so that's a little more than just his manager's conjecture - the question at this point seems to be whether there were ulterior causes for the heart failure. Whether that's enough to categorally state his cause of death is indeed debatable, and the place for that debate would have been the article's talk page (if sources are good enough to state in the article that the cause of death was heart failure, that's good enough for the list too). That particular list does come with references for all its entries (which, given the WP:BLP concerns, on second thought is a good idea), so my advice would be to find a source that gives both the cause of death and date of death - that shouldn't be too difficult. Huon (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I appreciate the detail. Mrs. Peel (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)