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The Signpost: 26 June 2022[edit]

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The Signpost: 1 August 2022[edit]

I deeply apologize[edit]

I had a bad reaction to what you wrote for The Signpost and inexplicably flew off the handle. I am quite ashamed to have been so totally wrong. I retract everything I said; the fault was mine. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, no harm done. I saw this apology before I saw your comment anyway :) WaggersTALK 22:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – August 2022[edit]

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  • An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
  • An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

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  • The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
  • Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

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  • You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
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This was just relisted yesterday and I was preparing a rebuttal to the weak keeps. Can you please reopen it? PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the discussion had been open for 25 days and that was its third relisting which meant it was added to the administrators' backlog - please see Category:AfD debates relisted 3 or more times for reasons why such discussions need to be closed and not prolonged further. On that basis I'm not minded to reopen it, but I won't be at all offended if you choose to request a deletion review or re-nominate it for deletion after a suitable amount of time has passed. I certainly accept that it was a close call, so obtaining a second opinion at deletion review might be a good option. WaggersTALK 10:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is not just closure right after relisting, which I know you're entitled to do but closing it as "keep" rather than at least no consensus is misleading and makes your close a supervote. I'd rather not waste both our time at DRV. PICKLEDICAE🥒 15:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Loofball[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Loofball. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ––FormalDude talk 10:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfD close[edit]

I was wondering if you would reconsider your Keep close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devashish Nilosey (2nd nomination). Although Keep !votes are the numerical majority, consensus is not a head count and this type of local consensus does not override the community consensus which was established at a very well attended RfC earlier this year. I would encourage you to give appropriate weight (or lack thereof) to the !votes that cite criteria other than the current NSPORTS guideline or fail to address the lack of significant coverage, otherwise I'll be going to DRV. –dlthewave 12:41, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I second that request. Despite acknowledging that the delete votes were strong you still nevertheless closed as keep due to the sheer number of such votes, which is disallowed per WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS. WP:NSPORT says that biographies should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline and include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, which the keep voters failed to do. A local consensus of editors cannot override the wider consensus as reflected in the guidelines, and if you're not willing to stand by the latter then I ask that you revert your closure and leave it for someone who is more familiar with the rules. Avilich (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I third the request, for the same reasons as above. NSPORT was specifically amended by global consensus to eliminate participation-based criteria, replace presumption of notability with expectation of SIGCOV for all criteria, and require at least one source of SIGCOV to be cited in the article for that expectation to apply in the first place. This was on top of the existing NSPORT requirement that all subjects meet GNG and that sourcing proving as much be demonstrated "eventually". JoelleJay (talk) 23:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all. First, I absolutely did not make the decision on numbers of !votes; I'd ask you not to assume the rationale behind my decision without me explaining it. Telling other people what they think is never a good thing to do. While the numbers of participants expressing a particular view does go some way towards indicating a consensus, it is the strength of the arguments themselves as well as the numbers that led to my decision.
Most of the discussion focused on the apparent lack of available sources on one hand, with the likelihood that reliable sources exist but are not easily accessible on the other. I found that part of the discussion to be finely balanced. My own take on that discussion would be along the lines if "the article is old enough - if a source exists it would have come to light by now" - but that argument was not put forward in the discussion and to delete on that basis would be tantamount to a supervote.
However, the only other assertion that was made - and was not challenged or rebutted - in the discussion was StAnselm's invoking of WP:IAR: "Keep per WP:IAR. If the guidelines suggest deleting this sort of cricketer, it means the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. It was somewhat reasonable deleting cricketers who had played a handful of FC matches, but not one with such a lengthy career."
The English Wikipedia's problem with systemic bias due to availability of sources in a easy-to-use format/language/medium is well known and well documented and I find StAnselm's argument compelling for that reason. WP:IAR is both policy and one of our five pillars; it has global consensus and as policy it "outranks" guidelines such as WP:GNG. Since StAnselm's argument is compelling and was not rebutted, on balance I still think "keep" was the right outcome. WaggersTALK 12:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Bias" is an essay with no official standing, and a single editor's proposal to ignore all rules is not a consensus to do so. Avilich (talk) 14:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Like Avilich said, one editor bringing up IAR does not mean there is a consensus to IAR, especially given the ROUGHCONSENSUS assertion that IAR should be under exceptional circumstances. Additionally, the claim that sources were likely to exist in his native language (what many of the early keep !voters were alleging) was rebutted: I searched in Hindi and found nothing significant. JoelleJay (talk) 17:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 31 August 2022[edit]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2022[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).

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Regarding UP Halcyon[edit]

Good morning, Waggers. I note your administrative action to close as DELETE the discussion over UP Halcyon, deleting the article. Your summary noted that the KEEP voters didn't attempt to rebut user HighKing's points, and you apparently weighed this into your decision.

Cordially, I think you were wrong here. Several of us corrected the basis for the original complaint about the page, which was a lack of citations. The detractors shifted their complaint to say that the nine new references we offered were either too close to the subject, or had some variety of notability concern. I and others had already rebutted those arguments in the earlier rushed deletion, and our comments were still germane: I thought that HighKing's bullying and persistent deletionist attacks were wordy but groundless, so speaking for myself, I didn't bother refuting him because I thought we clearly won the debate. We don't operate on a "last word wins" system here.

Several of the other DELETE voters were piling on, I think reflexively voting to delete without much thought about it.

I have no connection with UP Halcyon. I am a long-term volunteer, like yourself, and am moved to support this particular page because I am interested in articles about such college organizations. The Project to which I belong tracks and improves college fraternity articles. There are approximately 1,800 in this set, although we know of some 100,000 past and present groups that do NOT meet Wikipedia's notability rules and DO NOT merit articles. Hence, Project volunteers don't leap to support articles where a local chapter has less than ten years of activity. Where it is a national group, it must have chartered three chapters. We've expanded on WP's notability rules to clarify how these apply to fraternity and sorority articles in a standard methodology, here.

The UP Halcyon group meets that bar. It wasn't a puff piece, and the writing was solid. The group is notable at its university, and hence, to our view the argument that these references were too close to the group was dismissed by many of us. This, and similar campus groups often are "quiet performers" that only get broad media attention if they incur a crisis or get into trouble. I do not believe Wikipedia readers are well-served if we delete all such articles, only keeping those that concern groups which get into trouble, and are thus picked up as a national news story or written about in a book. That, in itself, would present a negatively biased, highly skewed perception of these sorts of groups. So we look for local media, and for mention by the various colleges on their websites.

Will you review your action here, and restore the page? Jax MN (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jax, thank you for your polite and well-explained request. I certainly take on board the point that "quiet performers" will lack attention from reliable sources while groups that get into some kind of trouble will end up with articles because there will be sufficient coverage of them. Unfortunately though, whether it's right or wrong, that is one of the consequences of Wikipedia's current notability policy and guidelines. As it happens I wrote an article in the Signpost a few weeks ago about how frustrating that can be - that seemingly obviously notable subjects only become notable in the Wikipedia sense if/when something drastic happens to them. Otherwise, often there simply isn't significant coverage in reliable sources for topics that we would intuitively deem to be worthy of note. So as much as I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, I still think the deletionists won the argument in this case on policy grounds.
As always, I would take no offence whatsoever if you choose to take this to WP:DRV; if anything I would encourage you to do so. WaggersTALK 08:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Waggers, I would like to think that you aren't including me in your reference to the deletionists? It isn't a label I'd expect an admin to use under most circumstances so I'm rather surprised to see it used in this context. HighKing++ 16:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, in this case it was just convenient shorthand for "those voting for delete" - I didn't mean to put all those well-intentioned contributors into a basket or imply they always vote delete. You're right, I should have chosen my words more carefully and I apologise. WaggersTALK 21:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 30 September 2022[edit]

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Can you relist WP:Articles for deletion/1994–95 Santos Laguna season? I've been waiting for weeks for the October 19 DRV to close - but only just noticed that it had done so, and the AFD reopened. However, it wasn't relisted at WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football until 4 days later on December 2 (diff)! Given the controversy of this set of AFDs, and the differing results at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1994–95 Club América season and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1994–95 Club Universidad Nacional season where a longer and clearer discussion were held, then I think we need at least a full week to discuss. Nfitz (talk) 17:10, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up, I hadn't realised the discussion had been put on hold. Re-opening per your request. WaggersTALK 10:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I saw your civility warning. I'm not sure if you are aware, but there was a lengthy ANI thread about the civility and this set of AFDs already at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1112#Concerns about articles nominated for deletion. During the process, the two worst offenders were blocked. Nfitz (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I see that you were responsible for upholding the request to delete this page. Were you aware that I had composed a fairly detailed response to the proposition, but had placed this on the article talk page in error?

Also, I should point out that I had not, as the person who marked the page for deletion suggests, taken umbrage with them for quite the reasons suggested. I had tried from the start to communicate with this person but they refused to do so in any meaningful way, which unfortunately led to misunderstandings on both sides. What I was offended by, as I felt the comments were disrespectful and should have no place on Wikipedia, were some comments on their user page (which were not directed at me personally).

(Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC))[reply]

Hi, thanks for reaching out. I wasn't aware of the conversation on the talk page but there was a very clear consensus in the actual discussion that the page should be deleted, or converted to a redirect. The harder part of closing the discussion was around which of those two was the "winning" outcome, which really came down to where the page would redirect to. Two possible targets were suggested with no overall consensus between the two of them, and a strong contingent arguing that there was no single suitable redirect target and the page should be deleted on that basis. Since there was no consensus for a single redirect target, the discussion as a whole supported that argument in my judgement, hence the "delete" close.
As always, if you'd like a second opinion on the outcome I won't take any offence if you decide to raise this at WP:DRV, that's what it's there for. WaggersTALK 10:58, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply and I will consider doing as you suggest.

It is disappointing to learn that effectively my argument was excluded from the discussion, and therefore the record of it also. Whilst I realise there was no requirement for you to check the talk page for comments prior to deleting the article, as a point of procedure it would be helpful (and, dare I say, polite) if clearly interested parties were informed that a discussion had taken place and invited to respond to the points raised. This would have at least alerted me to the fact I'd posted my comments in the wrong place. I also don't remember there being a link to that discussion on the article talk page, which would also have been useful. Particularly in cases where one editor has assigned a negative motive to the actions of another, in my view it should be obligatory to give that person the right of reply.

Sadly, I have to say that my experience over the past few weeks has raised considerable doubts in my mind over the mechanisms by which Wikipedia policies are enforced. Certainly, I would have never have allowed the charity of which I used to be chairman to operate in such a manner, and arguably one has to take even more in circumstances where matters are not being dealt with in person. Quite apart from anything else, certain aspects of UK employment law apply to voluntary organisations, and I could quite easily see a situation arising where Wikipedia's procedures were found wanting in this respect (I should stress that am not talking here about policies themselves, but the way in which they are applied).

(Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 08:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC))[reply]

P.S. I intend no personal criticism here, as I can see that the procedures failed you just as much as anyone else!!

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Ooh, two for the price of one! WaggersTALK 14:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that. This is a bug that's been unfixed on Phabricator since 2015. Apparently it just does this sometimes. I am manually reverting all two hundred and some of them, though... jp×g 20:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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For you addition at List of places of worship in the Borough of Eastleigh. I'd better schedule another visit to take a pic! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I found one on Commons so have just added it. Hoping to bolster with some additional references at some point - New Church Movement churches are notoriously hard to find documentation for! WaggersTALK 12:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed – I've been working on some off-Wiki articles and a presentation recently which cover (among many other church-related topics) Newfrontiers, New Ground and other (neo)-Charismatic churches, and a lot of digging around, reading between the lines and drawing inferences is required! Thanks for adding the pic. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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