User talk:GiantSnowman/2013

Daniel Carriço - Doubt

Hi there SNOWY, happy 2013,

i am not going to enter an edit war of course with a user in this player's article, so i ask you to clear me on this one: are SUBSTITUTE (ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL) and CAPTAIN (ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL) irrelevant links as the user points out (on the grounds that English users know what those words mean)? A bit baffling, if they were irrelevant the links would not exist in the first place correct?

Attentively - --AL (talk) 02:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Up to no good

Hard to trace because his actions are located in the STATISTICS chart below, who more often than not receive little attention,

this "user" Jonkoleta is clearly a vandal, inflating statistics of players. See Julio Álvarez and Mariano Pavone for examples (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Julio_%C3%81lvarez&diff=499948886&oldid=499450631 and here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mariano_Pavone&diff=499944314&oldid=498217191), full list of "contributions" here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jonkoleta). Yes, has not edited in months, but wouldn't it be nice that when he returned (if), he'd find himself (duly) blocked?

Cheerio! --AL (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

• Yeah man, it's a good thing i'm not an admin, i'd be accused of dictatorial manners in no time, handing blocks left and right :) Have never been offered the position, would decline in the case of such an invitation.

What can i do? I've longsince stopped "going" AGF... --AL (talk) 16:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

• In an unrelated note, could you please check what's wrong at the bottom of Royston Drenthe's page? Can't figure out what that references note (in red) means. --AL (talk) 16:50, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

• Muito obrigado (a little Portuguese lesson, means "Many thanks")! --AL (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Lincoln Zvasiya

This would be a global ban if it goes into effect and is definitely not restricted to Zimbabwe.

Cheers, Thuglife99 (talk) 21:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, kind of I think. Some of the high profile players like Nyasha Mushekwi were rather questionably let off the hook too. Asiagate

Cheers,

Thuglife99 (talk) 22:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Gwladys Street's Hall of Fame

Happy New Year Snowman! Saw some red links here, can you start them?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:50, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

You're a strange fellow. Why would you tag both articles I was involved in with tags and notability in quick succession?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:24, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Patience, I see no difference in initial quality to your stubs on lower Vauxhall Conference type footballers. Not your place to criticize my editing, I couldn't give a monkeys about edit count, you shouldn't either.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Do you have access to Highbeam research, that's pretty good for finding sources on people?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Bullnese

Hey snowy, could you have a word with LibbyJax (talk · contribs), he/she removed their own signature & replaced it with the nominators making it appear as an intention of withdrawal which I almost closed as such. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 18:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, the majority of the time I would warn myself but on some occasions when I come across some new types of indiscipline I'm reluctant. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 18:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Wording of English football bio stub tags

It would be useful if you could find time to post your views on this thread at Footy relating to how we should be wording stub tags, as it could do with more input really before changes are made to a lot of articles. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 10:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Wrong edits

Hi GiantSnowman. 175.139.31.78 this user IP has been done many editing with dirty language. Please do something. It is ruining the Articles. ZZ47 (talk) 14:55, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Date formats

Please do not switch the dates in military articles from U.S. military date format (per WP:STRONGNAT). Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Player lists

Hello. If you're really keen on expanding them all (there are several more that haven't been AfD'd), please can you leave Lincoln City for me. I've already worked on it on and off (more off than on) for some time, since doing the Lincoln seasons list, and could do with a non-BCFC-related project. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Evelina Aizpuriete

Evelina Aizpuriete, Latvian swimmer, national record holder in the 50m breaststroke but I have a feeling she fails WP:ATHLETE?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I don't think she's worth creating yet.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Afrikaans in infobox

The discussion was closed without being finished in the Talk page: 2010 FIFA World Cup. Because u're admin, hope that you resolve this problem here and also in the Talk page: 2013 Africa Cup of Nations. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 21:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That's allright, thank you for your message. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Standard Liège

History section, that was pretty ruthless when you removed it, I did want to go through that and try and find references at some point. Are you sure it's neccesary to remove it? Govvy (talk) 22:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Philip Larkin's women

Remember this discussion from back in August 2012 at Talk:Patsy Strang? Shall we go ahead? GiantSnowman 14:05, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I'll take a look into that, though I may not have the time to do anything until I get back home. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, happy Holidays. GiantSnowman 09:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I've done the basic merge. More work is now needed to expand it, and tidy it up. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Andy Gray

Andy Gray has agreed to sign for Bradford City on an 18 month contract. His contract at Leeds is being cancelled as we type.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Joshua Titima

I'm curious about your restoring this article. As far as I can tell, the only source confirming his appearances for Zambia is nationalfootballteams, which isn't exactly reliable. Soccerway, footballdatabase, MTMfootball, transfermarkt, and goal.com (the latter two of course being unreliable in their own right) all put his international caps at zero, as do the French, Italian, and Polish Wikipedia articles. Given such obvious ambiguity on a point so essential establishing notability, I have to wonder whether the inclusion of this article is appropriate. This was why I put the article up for speedy deletion a week ago. Maybe I'm missing something. In any case, I was hoping to get insight as to why you thought this article should be restored. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, GS, about Jordan Clement...

Not a big deal or anything, but could you consider removing the PROD tag you put on this article as a sign of good faith? (I don't know the first thing about non-American football, either the sport itself or the Wikipedia standards for it, so I'm loath to do it myself). Boomage has been blocked for a week, but I think he might be sincere in his acknowledgement of why he was blocked, and it seems a bit...I dunno, unclassy of us (not you in particular!) to put up a PROD while he can't respond. I feel like, once he's gotten over this funk that he's in about things like deletions and Cluebot, he could actually be a good editor. It's totally up to you, of course, and if the outcome is really obvious, then PROD probably won't do harm and will just save time. (I can't emphasize enough how little I know about football.) Just...keep it in mind, okay? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Messi Ballon d'Or "error"

I responded to your change stemming from the WP:ERRORS report on Messi's Ballon d'Or award. -- tariqabjotu 19:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Delinquent1904

Hi. Several weeks ago you instructed delinquent1904 to not remove source content and take the matter to the talk page. He has failed to heed your warning subsequent times. [1] and most recently here. The "useful info" he speaks of is really a slanted POV that Dana White was on a slander campaign to dvalue the fighter. The other was one saying that Fedor's old manager was out to get him as well. Basically this person has non neutral POV and the only thing to back it up is an interview from his website. The other one about the slander from Dana White is a yahoo sports article that doesn't mention the word slander once. I have posted on his talk page trying to sort it out, if you check the fighters talkpage all there is is me talking to myself. It was also pointed out to me that is within any uninvolved administrators discretion to impose what they see fit because of sanctions within the MMA sphere here on Wikipedia. Thank you for your time. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 20:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I just have one further question on the matter. Does it count as edit warring when the content in question is libelous? The article currently saying that UFC president Dana White launching a slander campaign against Fedor strikes me as libelous. Ditto on the accusations that Fedor/his brothers former manager was using his position with the National Sambo Federation to deny them a higher rank. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 23:48, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

If you could also investigate this graphic personal attack that'd be great. I cannot believe some of these people... PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Not an isolated incident the same person also said this. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 00:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Marat Izmailov

Hi there mate,

one user (easy to find over the article's history) has ceased all dialogue with me and keeps reverting me over this player's page: PORTO is enough in the infobox, has is BARCELONA and akin, he keeps changing on the grounds that "FC PORTO is the club, PORTO is the city", i ask for your mediation.

Kind regards - --AL (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

An invitation for you!

	Hello, GiantSnowman. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's article for improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members. Happy editing! AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 02:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for joining! Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Answer

Per your question, "I just don't understand what it means to have an alternative account 'to become an admin.'" I edit solely under the condition of anonymity. That is paramount to me, and the less anyone knows about me the better. As an admin, I will become quite well known, way too well known for comfort, but by limiting my editing to narrowly defined topics it helps maintain that anonymity. So I picked RM, RCP and solar as the sole topics, basically one narrowly defined topic and two useful project wide areas that require admin assistance.

So no, creating a separate account does not improve anyone's chances of becoming an admin, and that is not why it was done.

Technically I do not even need to link them in any way unless I am editing policy/guideline pages. One thing that Wikipedia does require, though, is the fourth pillar, treating others as you would like to be treated, also known as the golden rule, currently worded as "Editors should interact with each other in a respectful and civil manner" as kind of a watered down version of the golden rule, and of the five pillars the wording has changed the most over the years, starting out as "Wikipedia follows the writers' rules of engagement", making it sound more like fencing instructions, sort of like either "rules of war" which I always thought of as either a dichotomy or an oxymoron (Christians spend endless hours explaining that Jesus did not really mean that loving your enemies nonsense, er, er... what I really mean is...; Muslims have the same problem), or sort of like Robert's Rules of Order, as if there were long established writers' rules of engagement. Anyway, when I become an admin, as I see no reason for that not happening, I expect to make you and everyone proud of having supported my RfA. Wish me luck! Apteva (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying

Makes a bit more sense now. GiantSnowman 11:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It is not an ideal situation, but I try to keep everything as separate as possible. It is odd I get banned from talking about "eggs" and then someone wants to move the dairy section to the front of the store and I comment on that because it makes no sense (to the store), and get accused of talking about "eggs", even though what I am discussing has nothing to do with eggs. So why is it suddenly okay now that I am topic banned from "eggs" for them to bring up dairy and not expect me to reply? I sense, lets topic ban everyone who does not agree with us about eggs under the ruse that we are tired of talking about "eggs", and then discuss eggs as soon as they are gone. I see at WP:AN a couple of requests for Arbcom to visit the issue, but they do not deal with content, only conduct, so I am not sure why that suggestion was made. One of those who made that suggestion had previously proposed a community wide moratorium on talking about "eggs" for a year, something that I have made perfectly clear that I willing to follow. As long as we can freely discuss dairy... Apteva (talk) 22:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Fedor Emelianenko

Howdy. The guy still refuses to use the talk page. Another user jumped in and we havebeen making progress. Anyway here is the link to this guy adding back libelous info that doesnt have reliable independent sources. The yahoo link about Dana white also mentions nothing of him launching a slanderous campaign, of which there is no proof. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 03:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Kyle Wilkie

Please don't refer to Soccerbase for Scottish football stats! It is wrong for just about every player in Scottish football history! It's unbelievably inaccurate and doesn't include the Albion games in the third round of the Scottish cup (and in the replay). I think I know he played, I was there! Salty1984 (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

There are plenty of match reports on the BBC website showing he was playing against Albion Rovers, but I'm not putting up a reference for every mistake that the Racing Post makes on their dreadful website (that is two for one player in the main cup competition in Scotland, imagine how many more there are when we are allowed trialists, etc)! Salty1984 (talk) 18:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Need your help

Hey, can you look through the edit history on United States men's national under-17 soccer team? I think we may have sockpuppetry involved in this. Cause I know there's two users that have made the same edit, which were a clear cut case of Vandalism. Searching for sockpuppetry is one of my major weaknesses here on Wikipedia, so that's why I'm asking for your help. Also, on my last revision on that page, I may have said something that was a bit out of line with Wikipedia. If so, sorry about that. – Michael (talk) 06:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

It's actually User:96.236.54.105, not User:174.48.102.195. – Michael (talk) 18:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ángel Berlanga

Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ángel Berlanga, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article is not substantially the same as the deleted version. A new deletion discussion is required. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 14:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Norwegian vandal

Hi there GS, AL "here",

following this block you handed for persistent blanking (at Imanol Agirretxe or Álvaro Negredo for example - speaking of the latter, guess the "user" now, besides removing B-teams, also inflates stats!), just to notify you that the person also "contributes" with this IP (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.89.136.46, also duly warned). And the User:Agirretxe account - guess they were vandalizing the page with the anon IP, thought of a name for account and...voilá! - is also HIGHLY suspicious. Suspicious? It's him, i bet my life on it!

Attentively, have a great week - --AL (talk) 19:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

• Oops sorry, the first guy (this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.237.112.128), hails from Moldova, it cannot be the same. So maybe the Agirretxe account is this guy. But it can't harm to notify you about the 88.89.136.46 "user", that one from Norway alright and engaging in the VERY SAME behaviour. Sorry for the mixup :( --AL (talk) 19:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

• Both the Moldovan addresses (account and IP) are at it as we speak, if it's vandalism i don't know, odds are it is (?) --AL (talk) 15:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

football player statistics

per this tfd, I was wondering if you wanted to nominate template:Football player club statistics 1? Frietjes (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

A right mess

Hi GS. It would appear that I have made a right mess of three articles (one topic).

• Rakhapura United (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), original article and with the edit history; should definitely be kept in some form
• Rakhine United FC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), new name of the team, created 4 January
• Rakhine United F.C. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), alternative spelling of the new name of the team, created 12 January

After being bold and redirecting the third to the second, I found out that the first existed as a redirect with a whole article inside of the redirect (if that makes sense?) The course of action I am requesting is to undo edits to the first article since this version and to then move the page to the title of the second article, retaining Rakhapura United as a redirect. Thanks, C679 09:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I should say, this is a cut and paste move, although I didn't realise at the time, and most of my edits to these articles should be reverted. Thanks, C679 09:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose that is called a history merge, I think it's appropriate given all the history is at the "original page" and I chose FC over F.C. based on style at teams in the same league, although standardising that is another matter! Thanks, C679 09:43, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Magic, thanks a lot. C679 10:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

rollback

Now that I'm mostly off-tablet, could you rollback your rollback of my rollback privilege? NE Ent 16:46, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Done; although if I can put in a plug for some stuff, copying and pasting body[class~=page-Special_Watchlist] .mw-rollback-link {display: none;} into your common.css page will remove the rollback link on your watchlist without removing ti anywhere else, for easier misclick prevention. ;) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! NE Ent 16:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Jorge Rojas (footballer)

About your edit, Rojas scored a goal here against Bolivia under-20s. Arbero (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Antal Vágó

Hi! I gave new references for text. I really don't no what do you what for me. Best wishes, Csurla (talk) 15:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Could you give me an example, a pattern article? Thanks, Csurla (talk) 15:53, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

re: AfD

Hi GiantSnowman. No worries. By the way, would you please add a link/note about the last AfD that the list survived to the discussion page? Thank you. Jogurney (talk) 16:24, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I do that all the time. :-) Jogurney (talk) 16:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Callum Tapping

Hi. Is it possible to Hist merge the content that was there before from the previous deletion on this article with the new one. Not really important just wondering if possible.Blethering Scot 17:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah i know, makes me happier though. Ive expanded it further been sitting as a user page for some time.Blethering Scot 21:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

2013 AFCON squads

The table of players per league can also be seen on the 2010 FIFA World Cup squads. That table doesn't have citations either. The data is drawn from squad lists on the squad page, and the squads are referenced. Therefore I feel that the table should be returned. Crazydude22 (talk) 18:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

If the tables are against the rules, then please remove them from the FIFA and UEFA articles. I think that they are simple calculations, which are allowed. Crazydude22 (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to see someone else raise an issue with the table then, as I don't see a problem with it, or any issues raised with the tables on other pages. I will revert your edit, and open a discussion on the matter. Crazydude22 (talk) 09:43, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Football assessment

Hi GS. Saw you created some articles for ACON players, no doubt bored into it by the two goalless draws yesterday! Just to let you know that players who have represented a national team, such as any player who gets game time in the tournament, should be rated as Mid importance per the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Assessment. I saw one, that's why I am writing this message, but if there are more, please change them. Thanks, C679 11:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I thought the point of assessment is to be objective, i.e. according to a defined criteria. If you are making a subjective call based on an arbitrary number of appearances per NT or some pre-conceived idea of which NTs are "more important" then we may as well not have these ratings at all. Just saying. Thanks, C679 11:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Is it time for a review of "importance" at WT:FOOTY then? I know some WikiProjects do away with it completely. I have used having won a national league as sufficing for "nationwide notability" but I agree that is in itself subjective. However with the international players there is a clear line. Thanks, C679 11:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Tuni

I have added a citation of a well known greek sports portal. The article reproduces the official announcement of Iraklis FC for the signing of Tuni. Note that if I ever add unreferenced content that's because of lack of time or inattention. Please assume good faith and ask me to fix the issues of problematic articles I've edited before reverting it. Be sure I'll do it asap. Cheers comrade. Hansi667 (talk) 11:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I rarely have time, but lately i do have some, therefore I've already fixed the article's issues (or I think I did). Regards.Hansi667 (talk) 13:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

ASD Cape Town

What's non-notable here? Thx. Thuglife99 (talk) 21:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, they were founded only a few years ago and have produced a remarkable number of players, including Ayanda Patosi. That imo makes them notable. They have also received international attention (BBC). Thuglife99 (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Devine

Hey Snowy, got a question Devine was born in Northern Ireland & has played under age football for them, however he has since switch allegiance to the Republic but hasn't been selected by the Republic nevermind played for them he might never be. Am I correct in thinking he would still receive a Northern Ireland flag, the only reason I ask is because I wanted to make sure before reverting a user who changed it. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 22:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

RS's [2] [3] [4] would definitely confirm his intention to switch by declaring for the Republic. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Martin Bayly

Dear Giantsnowman, you wrote: Please do not add or change content, as you did to Martin Bayly, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. GiantSnowman 14:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Please get your facts right, I have never edited Martin Blayly, nor do I have any interest in football, nor do I wish to edit Wikipedia. You seem an educated young man, I wonder if they taught you to apologise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.162 (talk) 03:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi there GS

re: "reluctant". Good question, and I don't have an answer quite yet. At this point it's more a 'gut feeling' than anything, so I'm not sure how to put it into words at the moment. Let me think on it a bit and I'll get back to you. There's certainly nothing I see that would raise an oppose from my side - more just an uneasy feeling I'm not sure how to express yet. — Ched :  ?  11:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

OK - I'll give it a shot here. (and if you feel it would be better to move this to say the RfA talk page or something, that's fine with me too.)

First - I see no objective evidence that Lord Roem would be a bad admin; but there is some sort of gut feeling that troubles me. First, I'm not real enthusiastic about self anointed titles such as "Lord"; while not technically a username violation, it's simply poor taste and a lack of maturity to some extent in my view.

Second - as pointed out by others there's also a "dotting the "I"s and crossing the "T"s while jumping through hoops in saying "all the right things" that makes me uneasy.

Third - I don't see any real "conflicts" with the user to judge how they will respond to adversity. Although they have worked on some "mediation" issues, I'm not seeing anything to judge how they would deal with a tough issue where they were personally involved.

Fourth - Questions 3 (which go to my third point above) and question 4 I felt the responses left something to be desired.

Fifth - The whole "arb clerk" followed by "arb noms" leaves me feeling the user is being "fast tracked" into position.

Now for me to oppose on any or all of the above would be a violation of AGF I think. When I try to be objective about it, I don't think it's fair to him/her that I should oppose - hence my "reluctant" support. (I do try to be fair.). To be honest, over the years I have often gotten cynical w/r/t adminship. I've seen my share of arrogance and problematic behavior from admins in the past, so I do try to be aware that perhaps it's that which is clouding my thinking. I also didn't want to try to actively undermine the user's RfA, so I just kept things brief and replied to you rather than make a fuss at the RfA. Perhaps it's a bit convoluted, but I hope that explains my thinking a bit. — Ched :  ?  23:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Lešinari

Hi there, Snowman. I need some help from an admin, and I thought you could help out. I closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lešinari as redirect, as it seemed like an uncontroversial closure. User:Nado158 reverted my redirection of Lešinari twice, and I redid the redirect and sent him a message that if he objected the closure of the AfD he should do a WP:DRV. Instead, the user again reverted the redirection and expanded the article, and wrote a comment in the closed AfD. I don't know how to solve this problem, but I think it's inapprpiate to have an AfD closed as redirect while the article continues to be a stand-alone article, and I don't want to start a edit-war over this. I would like that someone with "the tools" should solve this, and I'd be happy if you could step in as admin and do what needs to be done (I have no opinion whether that is to redirect the article and protect it, open a DRV, or leave the article as it is). If you consider yourself INVOLVED, given that you voted in the AfD, do you know where I should direct this problem to have an admin to look at it? Mentoz86 (talk) 07:51, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll do that. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Tuni (footballer)

Hi there GS,

i was about to write you in regards with this article: i thought my refs were enough, i see they are not, you restored the tags. Where do you feel the info is not correctly sourced still?

Sorry for my "wiki-impertinence", regards! --AL (talk) 16:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

• You mean referenced with (as of now it stands) the external links for example, especially the BDFUTBOL.com one? --AL (talk) 20:56, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks. But if i find an external source (i.e. newspaper article) that says exactly the same, it's just as reliable no? --AL (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Michael Ngoo

Was there anything in the original versions of this article worth keeping. Just interested at the moment.Blethering Scot 20:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh well so that will be a start from scratch one then. Thanks.Blethering Scot 20:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Brendan Rodgers

I suggest that you go fuck yourself.

His son, already mentioned on Rodgers' page, has gone on trial charged with serious criminal charges: how exactly is writing one referenced sentence on that giving "undue" weight to the story? You're being entirely ridiculous and probably biased (do you support LFC?): it's an important story, which has gained significant media attention. Rodgers has also attended the trial. I'm going to continue adding this. And I don't care if you abuse your discretionary powers to try and have me banned: I know that I am right and that your bias is clouding your judgement. Shame on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.22.216 (talk) 15:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Templates for deletion

I saw some templates down for deletion, these ones (TfD) I was wondering if there is a page in the project with those formatted tables? Because it would be a useful resource for editors. Govvy (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

You see on "Manual of style" part of the project page, I've never noticed anything about use of tables, like the example you just posted on my talk page just now. I was wondering if those tables from those templates that are TfD should be under a manual of style page. Govvy (talk) 17:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

What I am trying to say there is no Manual of style for wikitables for footy is there? Govvy (talk) 17:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello GS - Chris Cerroni Article

The World University Games are a major international amateur and professional competition only second to the Olympics and recognized by FIFA. Chris Cerroni has had representation at two of these major events. Please see below as quoted in Wikipedia.

“Wikipedia:Notability (sports)

Notability guidelines on sports persons Generally acceptable standards Sports figures are presumed notable (except as noted within a specific section) if they: have participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics.”

The Major Indoor Soccer League is a professional league within USA and recognized by FIFA. Please see below as quoted by Wikipedia.

‪”Major Indoor Soccer League (2001–2008)‬ From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Major Indoor Soccer League was the top professional indoor soccer league in the USA. The league was a member of both the United States Soccer Federation and FIFA. The MISL had replaced the NPSL which folded in 2001. According to MISL.net, the league ceased operations as of May 31, 2008. "We are considering structural changes that will bring us greater efficiencies, while also allowing long term growth and expansion of the League," said John Hantz, former Chairman of the MISL, and Owner/Operator of the Detroit Ignition.[1] All the teams from MISL went to the new indoor leagues: NISL, PASL-PRO and the XSL. The NISL and XSL used the same playing rules as the MISL.”

I do believe that the article on Chris Cerroni has more than enough evidence on validating an article on this subject. Sources have been added and due to this proposed deletion the article has been improved with further validating material from a number of different sources.

I would respectfully suggest that the article not be deleted but a review on the update of Major indoor soccer be recognized, as this is a sport that has and continues to draw crowds of thousands with six figure player salaries.

--96.48.14.66 (talk) 09:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Apologies

for posting 3 times. It was not done to reinforce the point or be aggressive, just a lack of computer know-how from myself - as I didn't see it register.--96.48.14.66 (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

João Carlos Pereira

Hi there GS,

quite a handful we have in this coach's article. The subject's agent/publicist continues to say his article is not neutral (it IS!) and continues to revert us (refs included) even though we told him this is not how it works around here.

I would expect this behaviour from a lowlife or a vandal (sometimes they come in pairs), but not from a person who claims to be what this guy does. Puzzling indeed...

Happy weekend man - --AL (talk) 16:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

UK user disrespecting commoname approach

He continues doing it (writing full names on players that have red links instead of the common one, creating a MESS when people decide to create an article), now with this IP (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.179.13.99), i figure this is a lost battle, he has TONS of IPs...

Cheerio --AL (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Delhi Football League

Hey Snowman. Just wanted to tell you that the page, 2013 Delhi Senior Divison League, may actually be eligable for speedy under A.10. I already created an article on this season's Delhi league before the user created the other article already mentioned, but I used the actual name which should have been 2013 DSA Senior Division. Just thought I let you know about that. Also I unPRODed the article Delhi Senior Division as I was able to expand on the article to establish notability that the league is, in fact, the top football league in the state of Delhi. I also renamed that page to its correct name. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Diego López Rodríguez

Hi there mate,

do you have any idea as to why the PC update in this guy's box is not showing? Thank you very much in advance and happy week --AL (talk) 19:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• Apparently, it had to do with the presentation of the clubs in box before the actual PC/NT dates, another user has already taken care of that, nice work. --AL (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Joe Paladino Article

Hi,

You undid an edit I made to the article on Joe Paladino earlier today.

The article states in the first paragraph that "He is currently the Assistant Manager of Rossendale United."

As Rossendale United ceased to exist in June 2011 when they were expelled from the North West Counties Football League, the statement above is obviously incorrect.

Mr. Paladino joined New Mills as (officially) the goalkeeping coach at New Mills earlier this season but as he spends most Saturdays in the dugout along with the current New Mills manager, Roy Soule, he is effectively the assistant manager of New Mills.

A brief excursion on the New Mills website (http://www.newmillsafc.co.uk/clubinfo.htm) verifies this information.

Sadly, I do not have the nous to include a reference to my edit without the fear of cocking up the whole article, hence the perfuntory nature of my edit.

Nonetheless, I can assure you that the few edits I ever make to Wikipedia (probably no more than half a dozen to date) are always based 100% on fact. I do not make frivolous or malicious edits.

Also sadly, due to my infrequent activity, I have forgotten my log in details. I have requested new details by entering my e-mail address and have been informed that an e-mail has been sent. It hasn't arrived. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.98.79 (talk) 20:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Giant Snowman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.98.79 (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

RE: 2011 National Women's Cup

More sources added. Better? CyMoahk (talk) 21:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I was more asking if you thought it was enough to remove the 'refimprove' tag, since you were the one who added it. (I thought the original refs were sufficient and clear, but I am glad I found more. I don't remove tags I don't make unless they're objectively wrong, like when someone added an 'orphan' tag to an article I made that already had three other articles linking to it. That one really confused me...) CyMoahk (talk) 15:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

João Carlos Pereira - Updates

I have tried my "bestest" to improve the article, my second (anon) summary will be self-evident, but please reinstate the tag if you still feel it is necessary. This is no José Mourinho, Jorge Jesus or Domingos Paciência (to cite three of my country's most known coaches), refs are only available in Portuguese man.

Will this be enough to avoid the "wiki-raids" by the manager's agent/publicist? I doubt it very much, but one can only hope... --AL (talk) 17:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Odd (to say the least)

After the Colombian punk desisted on his harassment, could i now have another "admirer"?

Last message on my talk was in Romanian, so i used the google translator: title reads something like "Nice" or "Handsome", but the body of text is something to the effect of "Arab Gypsy Portuguese" and it ends with shouting, what on earth is this stuff?!

You have been duly notified, regards - --AL (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

• Ah, he addressed me by my REAL name in his message, could he be this guy or this guy (both Romanians, this new account also edits in the football of that country mainly)? I leave it to your attention. --AL (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Yun Suk-Young

I was editing this article in light of the player's move that has just been announced. Please see: http://www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/300113-suk-young-signs-627832.aspx

You can do it yourself though, if you're just going to go around undoing stuff people do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.124.36 (talk) 10:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Stuart Mills

This signing was announced during the summer of 2012 at http://www.pollokfc.com/news/2012/7/19/signing-news.html

If this does not count as a 'reliable source' there is plenty of footage available of the player in action for Pollok F.C. on YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.139.50 (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Anna Baltzer

Can the fraud section simply be removed by a user who claims that the sources aren't reliable? I often go to wikipedia to get the scoop on allegations/controversies in the news cycle that do not seem so very different form this one.FinchleyRd (talk) 18:12, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Sekou Oliseh

Here's a site that proves that Sekou oliseh goes on loan to PAOK. I'm sorry but this site is greek. http://olapaok.gr/podosfairo/metagrafes/apoxairethse_toys_sympaiktes_toy_o_olise.2107401.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtompaoki (talk • contribs) 18:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Michael Doughty (English footballer)

Hey Snowy, given he is a Welsh youth international I think the disambiguated title is a little confusing I was going to move to Michael Doughty (footballer born 1992) but given this Michael Doughty (Australian footballer) exists I was unsure. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I moved both those pages & updated the disambiguation page. I updated the wikilinks on QPR & St. Johnstone pages but I presume I don't have to change all the wikilinks per WP:NOTBROKEN but I should really do the templates, yes? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Did the templates & there was no double redirects, Thanks. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:09, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

unblock on hold at User talk:Skyblueshaun

This certainly looks like a valid block, but they are promising up and down that they have read up on referencing and understand it now. I was thinking of a WP:ROPE unblock, giving the opportunity to either prove it or swiftly get reblocked for a much longer period of time. Checking with you as blocking admin. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Revising the nominations process at Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement

I'm seeking wider input on a proposed redesign of the nomination process over at TAFI. The current method could benefit from some streamlining and usability tweaks. If you feel so inclined, I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 23:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, GiantSnowman. You have new messages at Mkdw's talk page.
Message added 09:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Mkdw^talk 09:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

One last question on my talk. Mkdw^talk 10:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Paul Scharner

Hello. Was wondering why you removed most of the critical content of Paul Scharner#Image on BLP grounds, while leaving the favourable content. The removed content was accurately sourced to an article in an Austrian national newspaper, provoked by his latest walkout from the Austrian team, that described him as still a "maverick" and highlighted the five biggest "scandals" of a controversial career. Could have done with copyediting by a native speaker, which would perhaps recast the opening sentence as less of an announcement of fact, but I couldn't see anything so contentious as to need immediate removal on BLP grounds? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your removal of the reference to Norway and England being more positive. I'd have no argument with that.

As to the first paragraph, I presume by "unsourced", you must mean "without an inline reference immediately after each sentence". As I said above, the content of the first paragraph, apart from the tone of the first sentence, was sourced to and verifiable from the references at the end of that paragraph. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Time to close

Hi. Per your question to me. Re

"Edits like this which make little-to-no sense and make me think, with all due respect, that I'm dealing with an editor who is drunk and/or angry and/or incompetent."

Bringing up the possibility that he is drunk or incompetent is a personal attack, IMO. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Fantasy?

Hey Snowman, if you can yank yourself away from your vacation for a moment, can I get your opinion on User:IBlueChelsea/sandbox? Is this some fantasy game, or does it really not stretch credibility that Southampton would play in a final? I keep running into fantasy shit--Big Brother, soccer, Survivor--in sandboxes like this and it's beginning to irritate me. I asked this user on their talk page but there was no answer. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Skyblueshaun

I have cleared my talk page because, I have taken your notice on board about edit summaries and making a clean start. The last 4 edits before this message I have used the edit summary to describe my edits. This is a new start for me. Skyblueshaun 17:00, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your communication help. I appreciate it. Skyblueshaun 17:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Javier Patiño

Hi there SNOWY, hope your break was a refreshing one!

I'm going crazy over this article, and don't get me talking about User:Struway2, the poor chap has tried everything (including well-explained edit summaries) and they don't care. Main issues are intro (ambiguity, and Patiño's not even naturalized yet!) and the box (people have been told over and over and over again to stop adding national team stuff to box unless he plays).

Could you accommodate with some page protection or is it too soon yet? Have a great week my friend, from Portugal - --AL (talk) 22:52, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, friend

I have written a proposed remedy to the Richard Arthur Norton affair, to be taken to AN/I in the event that ArbCom defers the case. Since the original thread is hatted, the proposal has been made on his talk page (User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)). As you were a participant in the original thread, I would very much appreciate your comments as to whether the proposed remedy satisfies your concerns. Thanks, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 23:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

Wishing User:GiantSnowman a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 01:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:WER

I wonder if you might consider nominating User:Always Learning for Editor of the Week. ```Buster Seven Talk 09:34, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• I don't deserve it, i hardly ever comply with ALL of the site rules and proceedings, lots of people more deserving of the honours, only in the football field, let alone overall. Thanks for the kind words (i have to assume it's not a joke), and i also profit from this "moment" to congratulate GS on his administrator anniversary! --AL (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have explained. I am one of the half-dozen editors that have initiated the Editor of the Week. We distribute one every Sunday evening from a, so far, small queue of nominations. We began Jan 15, 2013 and have distributed 4 Awards. I personally have nominated 4 editors for the award and have been "shaking the trees" for more. I came upon Always Learning and with a little history-loooking saw that he was a great candidate. I also noticed that you, Giant Snowman, were often in communication with him and summized that you, or someone like you, would have more experience having worked with User:AL and know User:AL much better than I could. I also realized that the award would have much more meaning coming from a collaborator rather than just a fellow editor. You two, Snowman and Learning, were my first attempt at out-reach and I see I should be more informative at my initial contact. I also see that I forgot to consider that the recipient would be a friendly stalker and I would "spill the beans". But the idea still has merit. The award is a pat on the back. For the recipient, what better place to come from than someone that you have worked with. Interested? Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Nominations

```Buster Seven Talk 16:04, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I hope Editor AL will do us the honor of allowing his friend, Giant Snowman, to acknowledge his efforts to improve the encyclopedia. His football related edits have been dutiful and trouble-free. Not an easy task in todays Wikipedia. ```Buster Seven Talk 16:17, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Two reasons come to mind for not receiving the award: 1 - even though i said i would not, i continue to feed the trolls (have "more" ZERO tolerance for vandalism now that i ever had) albeit less; 2 - my summaries are VERY FAR from being WP-adequate. Less importantly than the first two, i continue to NOT use the articles' talkpage for consensus, a bit of a "free spirit" which can be both good and bad here i think...

However, if two users who know much more about the site and its mannerisms than me (including an admin) feel i do deserve it, i will accept it, humbly. Thanks again for the kind words, both of you (i have sent this very message to Buster first)! --AL (talk) 19:33, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I'd award it to you in a heartbeat. (I'm an admin, but I don't know if that really means anything!) I don't think I've ever interacted with you directly, but I see you around Drmies's talk page a bit, and I'm not sure what it is, but your posts always manage to make me smile. You just always seem so...cheerful! "Jolly", maybe, or "exuberant", I dunno. My mental image of you is basically a Portuguese Brian Blessed, and I mean that in the absolute best of all possible ways. Whenever I read your posts, I always picture someone raising his arms and gaily booming "VASCOOOOO!" with a huge smile on his face. I don't know if that makes sense, but that's more than enough for me. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Glad to make you smile my wiki-friend, me who hardly ever does so! --AL (talk) 20:49, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
• I love VASCO. He exemplifies the kind of editor we need: one who learns, who can accept critique in a good-natured way, and one who (I think) really believes in the project. Drmies (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
• See Vasco, plenty of WikiLove for you here! GiantSnowman 20:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
• Unless one of you chooses to nominate Editor Learning on your own, I would like to offer a plan. Once Snowman provides his input, here, I can create a composite of your comments and nominate him with credit to the 3 of you (more if they show up. or, one of you can write-up a nom and place it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Nominations. No rush, Let me know. ```Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

On a day when I needed a smile, Writ brought me one....VASCOOOO!!! to you, sir! Gtwfan52 (talk) 00:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper (2nd nomination)‎

I'd like to make a suggestion with regards to this afd. Stop engaging. No matter how well reasoned your arguments (or mine or anyoneelse's for that matter) are Nickst will categorically reject them, and any decent admin will reckognise his/her comments for what they are. On the other hand, the large amount of text generated by engaging him/her is likely to detract other editors from joining the discussion, which will result relisting after relisting without anything actually getting done. Your call of course, but I figure I'd offer my two cents worth. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:36, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Good idea. But you are wrong about WP:GNG passing for this article. NickSt (talk) 15:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

You may be interested

in the reappearance of this autobiographer. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Trouble?

In a case similar to what we had in João Carlos Pereira, in which a relative/acquaintance writes an article (i cannot remember the technicality name right now), something might be afoot in Henrique Calisto (just look at the name of the editor in the history, his son or brother for sure!).

Stuff composed so nothing remotely negative is written about the subject (relegations, etc), very poor English, all sorts of things added to honours, the lot. Suggestions? Thanks again.

P.S. I may or may not deserve/receive the award you and Buster have been discussing today, but what i really don't want is to get harrassed/insulted for doing "my job" (i imagine Mr. Tiago Calisto's reaction when he sees his work has been undone), have had my share already in 2013 mate. --AL (talk) 19:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• I see you have already contacted the individual. I won't unless it is strictly necessary, and will contact you immediately if i am insulted if you don't mind. Already in this month, was called a vandal, a whiner and (the latter between the lines) an idiot for tipping a compatriot of mine on his M.O, am looking forward to avoid another dose of that in the near future if possible...

Cheerio --AL (talk) 20:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I despair

I sometimes wonder why I bother contributing at all. When I'm not around, stuff like this happens. Argyle 4 Life<sup>talk</sup> 20:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that. I wouldn't blank my page but that's his choice. I'm sure the above changes were done in good faith and took up a bit of time, however removing references and introducing trivial information is not acceptable. The attendance statistics are mostly included in the links but they're not directly cited and don't make it any less trivial. I haven't seen any other standard season article include them either. I have kept a low profile I guess. I've been keeping certain articles updated and done significant expansions on some BLPs when the mood has taken me. I'd like to do more and have goals I want to achieve but they're a long way off. Our current predicament has sucked out the enthusiasm and prevents me from doing more than I am at the moment, on top of the joys of life. Argyle 4 Life<sup>talk</sup> 21:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Michael Doughty

That page move didn't last long I presume the next step is RM, maybe if you agree you can start the RM as I'm not going to be around as I've decided to retire from Wikipedia, just feel I need to focus more on things outside of Wikipedia. I don't want to make a big song & dance about it, so I'll just wish you all the best for the future & maybe I'll return in a year or so. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 08:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Abbas Chahrour

Hi. There is an article of a footballer, Abbas Chahrour, which has been created with different spelling of the footballer's last name, Abbas Shahrour. It needs to be merged into the first one, Abbas Chahrour, as I found that the second page was created based only on pronounciation of the last name as apose to actual spelling. Please, can you do this? User:181hamburgerwcheese 22:18, 6 February 2013 (AEST)

Spartacus78

	BestWayFuture
	Bestwayfuture, I,am my own BOSS.. BestWayFuture 15:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Sad day

After reverting/composing a user regarding Jorge Jesus, then telling him about overdetail (you can compare both versions AFTER and BEFORE i "stepped in"), also pointing out that that storyline would be much better in the team (S.L. Benfica)'s individual season articles, i was called a...WIKIPEDIA POLICE!

Upon the other's request, i since relocated that stuff from Jesus' individual article to said season articles, stating in summaries that the user wrote them (i don't want undue credit), and not altering one single word. If you feel, after comparing both versions of Mr.Jesus' article, his is better than mine (his, other than the overdetail, his ripe with overlinking and redirects), please revert me.

But i tell you again, feeling very sad, almost teary, if not for you and probably User:Drmies i'd be as alone here as i am in my real life. Which reminds me: i am sorry for reverting you in the Javier Patiño article (the category), but i felt that they are athletes (SPORTSPEOPLE FROM MADRID) but also human beings (PEOPLE FROM MADRID). Yes i know, i know, WP:SUBCAT, but can't that be altered just like any other law?

Note: please don't contact this user about this unless you feel it strictly necessary, i don't feel he has crossed any wikilines, only been 200% unfair towards my person (i don't want the "next thing", a message titled "Wikipedia snitch"). Only tell me if you find this version (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jorge_Jesus&diff=536693997&oldid=536611069) or the current one better, then i'll communicate that to him. Thanks for understanding.

Attentively - --AL (talk) 02:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• The user has communicated with me again, this time much softer. But, can i have your opinion regarding Jorge Jesus' versions please? --AL (talk) 16:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Güiza

More man (and thanks for the other reply),

can you please get in touch with this user that reverted me in this player's article? I arranged the display of the refs, then politely messaged him that we were to keep both the TITLE and the TRANS_TITLE in the foreign sources.

Result? He reverted me without one word of reply, i have done the same --AL (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry about the rollback, was just (greatly) taken aback by his summary reversion without feedback. I have already inserted ALL refs in fields mode (web/news, url, title, publisher, date, etc). --AL (talk) 17:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Yemen national football team

You try to hide a significant info about a national team not an amateur third division club so please stop.--Uishaki (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Regarding refactoring

• I have put a note in to state it was refactored [5]. Please carry on with normal business. If I see any more edit warring, I will hand out blocks. Worm<sup>TT</sup>(talk) 15:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Ping Fu

Hi GiantSnowman, I see that you've recently edited Ping Fu's biography and was wondering if you might be interested in helping to review a new draft for the article? I'm currently working on a complete rewrite of the article, to bring it into line with Wiki guidelines on bios and would really appreciate your feedback once it's ready. I should mention, I am working on behalf of Geomagic (the company co-founded by Ping Fu) to write this draft, but I'm fully versed in the guidelines around COI and won't make any edits directly to the article. I follow Jimbo's "bright line" policy and prefer to ask impartial volunteer editors such as yourself to review drafts and make edits if you think they're reasonable. If you're willing and able to help, please let me know and I'll be in touch when the draft is ready for your review. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Help

Hi GiantSnowman, this user http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.169.192.77 is blanking pages by removing sourced quantities. First he blanked the page of a lawyer some time ago, being involved in vandalism. Now blanking sports. Moreover adding personal unsourced opinions. Can you do something against him? I appreciate. Thanks. Best regards, Prince of Persia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princeofpersia2013 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Dorner

Hey, GiantSnowman,

Do you think you could take a look at Christopher Jordan Dorner? There has been some unusual activity in the past few hours; a user has removed the template from the page notifying users that it is currently an AfD and claiming that the "issue s settled"; however, looking at the actual AfD, I see no resolution, particularly in comparison to previous AfD discussions that I have been involved in. Especially considering that I was the last person to edit the AfD discussion before the template was removed from the page.

I have restored that template to the page, but I'm not sure if I have done the wrong thing, and I am fully expecting that the user in question will remove the AfD template the moment he sees it. So I thought I should leave this message to let you know what is happening. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:22, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Right, thank you. I just wasn't sure exactly what was going on. It would appear that the user in question has somehow mistaken a few people in favour of his preferred edits to be a consensus, or has decided to try and force the issue by claiming that a resolution has been reached. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Re:ANI

I'm sorry, this was an accidental process. I also don't understand. --Norden1990 (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

What can be done?

Hi there GS, AL here,

You have your User:Hyrijesaliu, then you have your User:Aciyokrocky, your User:Ensarux, your User:Steadyfingers, ALL socks of the same person (and i think i left some). The guy does not talk to anyone, glues all words in storyline and overlinks like there's no tomorrow. He gave me time of day(s) in Luis Enrique Martínez García last year or so my friend.

Plus, he seems to have a neverending array of anon IPs. In Pierre Webó, you have a shining example of both (several IPs, starting with 77.28 or 77.29, and glued sentences). Moreover, he does not care about article improvements others make, last edit(s) of mine there i added several refs and +1 link (and, noting that another user had removed his ISTANBUL BB FOOTBALLERS category - some have the wrong custom of, when a player leaves a team, removing said category), what did he do? Copy/pasted his version again!

Given that not once have i been successful when requesting you page protection for whatever reason, but i ALWAYS respect your decision, what other options do we have? Attentively - --AL (talk) 18:24, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Copy Paste pagemove

Hi GS. Was looking through the Asmir Begović revision history and I discovered that the earliest version wasn't mine. Having a closer look, it looks like there was a copy and paste page move from Asmir Begovic on 18 January 2009 by User:Mayumashu. Although you can see in the edit history that I made a subsequent edit the following day, I was not at that time aware of the copy and paste move policy. The original page was dated 31 August 2006 and was in fact the first page I created, so of course I would be happy if you could arrange for the two pages' histories to be merged. If you cannot fulfil this request, please could you let me know how I can go about making this request somewhere else. Thanks, C679 20:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Cheers GS, seeing the original stub alongside the article now is quite spectacular! C679 20:41, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Ken Reeves listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ken Reeves. Since you had some involvement with the Ken Reeves redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Steel1943 (talk) 22:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Ian Lister

Thank you ever so much for starting the page. He's a bit of a legend in Dunfermline and I would have hated for him to go unnoticed.--Williamgeorgefraser 23:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser (talk • contribs)

Ken Reeves (meteorologist)

Hey,

Just wanted to let you know that I made an article out of Ken Reeves (meteorologist) (and made Ken Reeves a disambiguation page for the time being). I'm not sure if the material makes him notable enough, but I gave it a shot. If you wanted to look it over, if it stays, it's probably a stub or a start class, but I tried to give it a start. Steel1943 (talk) 10:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Vandal on the loose

I have just reverted some vandalism on Ashley Chambers page and and checked up on who was doing it and who had taken action if it had happened before. That is where i saw that you had previously blocked this user, User talk:188.237.112.128, for such editing. I thought you may want to check it out again as most of their recent edits have been disruptive to say the least.Rimmer1993 (talk) 18:43, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

RfA: thank you for your support

GS, thank you for your support, counsel and advice during my RfA. It has been a bit more of an ordeal than I anticipated, with a handful of surprises both positive and negative. Assuming I survive the final 24 hours of the auto-da-fe, I hope you won't mind if I stop by your talk page from time to time with how-to questions. And if it all goes south, well, I will take your counsel and maintain perspective! I look forward to working with you in the future, either way. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, GS, that certainly did not end as hoped, but it was certainly a "learning experience." I am now doing me best to maintain a positive outlook and perspective as you previously suggested. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Cheick Fantamady Diarra

I saw all the external links but I thought that if they weren't listed as references in the body of the article then you tagged the article as such. Let me know if I'm wrong though. TonyStarks (talk) 11:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC) Ah ok. Well thanks for letting me know, I'll try to remember that for next time. Take care. TonyStarks (talk) 11:17, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Mediation

Please help me here mate, i'm in dire need of some help!

Can you please get in touch with User:Threeohsix (in plain English, it says - said - in his userbox his level is 2) so that he tells you what it is he has against me? He's the one that called me "WP Police" after our run-in in Jorge Jesus. I since told him you (an administrator) analyzed both versions and thought mine was more accurate per WP standards, that did not convince him.

Why? Because in our last exchange, found in his talkpage, he reasoned that "Só edito regularmente a uns 5 meses e já me cruzei algumas vezes contigo em edições de artigos, mas já sei para não o voltar a fazer, a tua superioridade capacidade linguistica e extremo conhecimento do que deve estar nos artigos é assustadora", meaning that "I have only been editing regularly for some five months and have come across you in some articles, but i know better not to do it again, your superior linguistic ability and utter knowledge of what belongs in an article is frightening" in English. I asked him what did that mean, no reply.

What did i find today? This (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Sim%C3%A3o&diff=next&oldid=535447785) and this (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suk_Hyun-Jun&diff=537699054&oldid=537585287), the latter being an article in which i NEVER edited (!!), what is the meaning of this provocation? Judging from his demeanor he won't tell me, maybe he will you.

Two things are certain, if he: 1 - does not reply to you; 2 - does not reply to me and keeps taunting even though i am asking him to please tell where does he think i erred besides that run-in in Jorge Jesus's article (you don't know Portuguese but i assure you it's being done POLITELY, albeit ASSERTIVELY), i'll leave WP and this time i assure you it's for real, i'll even sell my computer just to be sure (this has to be the fourth or fifth person who has accused me of bigotry, then proceeded to utterly ignore me, and probably the second or third that takes it up a notch by adding "notes" in their subsequent summaries). I don't have friends, i'm jobless, WP is my only hobby but i'll get by...

Attentively - --AL (talk) 18:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

• But can you please ask him what does he need me to do in order to improve our "working status"? --AL (talk) 18:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Ah, but (lest i did not make myself clear in original message) if he does reply to me but it's something to the effect of "you crybaby whiner" instead of a constructive reply, no need to block him, i'll leave WP (i am not kidding) and he and all the others that take such offense in my work can contribute in peace. --AL (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

• My compatriot has replied in a professional manner, case closed as far as i'm concerned. --AL (talk) 20:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Unblock request of 89.101.133.5

Hello GiantSnowman. 89.101.133.5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), whom you have blocked, is requesting to be unblocked. The request for unblock is on hold while waiting for a comment from you. Regards, Eyesnore (pending changes) 18:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Your having a laugh

Your having a laugh aren't up? Threatening to block me for creating an article on Lebanese football. Of course it's hard to get references, most sources don't actually come online until after the competition has finished. Wikipedia is ahead of the game yet you threaten to block me for being disruptive. Seriously, I think you need to concentrate on other users mate. Look at my history of contributions, to decide to warn a dedicated user of wikipedia, for every 10 pages i create, their is maybe one that is unreferenced- and consideraing the amount of pages i do create and reference, it is hardly a crime. Druryfire (talk) 19:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Get a life man, you would be happy to delete the article, knowing full will that the later stages of the competition will have more media releases that can be referenced. You would be happy to delete the hard work gone into the page just for i to be recreated again - an article that probably doesn't even affect you anyway - so why you even hounding it? Druryfire (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Attitude? I think the moment you decided to write on my talk page threatening to block me shows where the attitude came from. But other users of the page you didn't warn, so looks like you just decided to warn me and know one else. Do you just decide on a whim who you will attack? Druryfire (talk) 20:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

When other users edit the page, then surely this must mean to yourself that the article is notable, so why not warn these users for also editing an article? Druryfire (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I constantly warn editors for adding unreferenced information to articles - just as I have warned you (more than once!) about creating unreferenced articles. GiantSnowman 20:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

With a click of a buttom...

Hi there, Giant. Hassan Bashir, was recently recreated after being deleted through this discussion, but it appears that he now meets WP:NFOOTBALL. I was wondering if you could restore the deleted revisions, and I will check if there is anything there that can improve the current article. While we're at it, can you do me another favour of userfying Tore Hansen (User:Mentoz86/Tore Hansen): this formerly semi-professional footballer has received some coverage after he became a referee in Tippeligaen, and I want to create an article about him if I find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Thank you in advance. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 19:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast :) But now I remember the terrible state of the article when I nominated it for deletion ([6]). But thank you. Mentoz86 (talk) 19:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME

Last year (can't remember the month though), consensus was reached to move F.C. INTERNAZIONALE MILANO to the current WP name, Inter Milan. Tons of users are not having any of that, however, they write as they want, period.

Of course, only a small "portion" of the people who edit here know of the consensus and/or discussions, and my guess is that even if they were "au courant" of the said activities, they would not care still. All in all? Getting tiresome as hell, i tell ya!

Attentively, the WP police - --AL (talk) 18:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Re reversal of comments.

I was the one who added back the comments that the original editor removed, then I was told that as the RFA candidate, I shouldn't be the editor do it, so I reverted back, and you reverted me. It wasn't no ill-intent there, I was just AGF reverting as it not recommended to remove comments on RFAs. I don't think it was a lack of judgement and non-controversial, but yea thanks for the reverting. Secret <sup>account</sup> 16:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Heh, we both commented at each other talk page at the same exact time, yes both of you are right, it's no big deal and I apologize. I should have known better as the candidate duh! Thanks Secret <sup>account</sup> 17:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

User:Lliura

About the message you sent to this user, regarding Tuni (footballer): has done the same in tons of players hailing from the Balearic Islands, removing the main category (SPANISH FOOTBALLERS) and inserting the sub-one. So it seems, does not write summaries and does not talk to anyone here.

I have reverted EVERYTHING related to football (unless some elusive ones escaped me!), but there's still many more to revert i'm afraid. Kind regards, from Portugal - --AL (talk) 00:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

BLP

It was either at the help desk or a talk page, I will look......--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:42, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help_desk#Jan_Mak--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:44, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

He typed the name just before the bot signed him at help desk. I am assuming good faith that it is he because there can't be many Dutch coaches with the same name. The source/link at the help desk seems lame to me. I would rather avoid an egg-on-face like Henry E. Emerson where we killed him off when he was still alive.--Canoe1967 (talk) 10:03, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The IP has only done the one edit. I can't see it being a joke/vandal, etc. The date that I changed didn't have any source. In the future I will just remove the date as unsourced. Should we edit my hidden note to state that a very reliable source is required since we did have a request that it was incorrect?--Canoe1967 (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

He may be referring to a different article but I can't find the same name in search. Should we just leave the date out for now until we do have a more reliable source?--Canoe1967 (talk) 10:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

They may all be cloning each other as happened with Sondra Locke. I don't really care if the wrong date is entered in the article. I just hope I am not around when the crap hits the fan on it. I will take it off my watch list and let others deal with it. Bye.....--Canoe1967 (talk) 10:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Pejorative term

Hello. Don't give up on the discussion because the redirection is offensive. BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

It's still being discussed. BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 15:47, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Donna Hilley listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Donna Hilley. Since you had some involvement with the Donna Hilley redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Ten Pound Hammer • <sup>(What did I screw up now?)</sup> 00:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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WSP

It would be helpful if you didn't edit the article whilst I am trying to improve or threaten to delete sections of it as I go on. I'll write the article first and reference it later. I cannot do both at the same time.GordyB (talk) 21:07, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

You are also supposed to avoid sarcasm.GordyB (talk) 22:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree with everything GordyB says here Subzzee (talk) 12:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Donna Hilley

Just a heads-up: Hilley was president of Sony/ATV, which is not the same as Sony Music Nashville. Ten Pound Hammer • <sup>(What did I screw up now?)</sup> 01:06, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• It also says Sony/ATV, which is not the same thing. ATV is a publishing company, but Sony Music Nashville is an owner of record labels. Ten Pound Hammer • <sup>(What did I screw up now?)</sup> 01:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

"Agenda"

I have no pro-Benfica agenda. Yes I am a fan of the club but I try to be fair. For example, if a black person contests an offensive redirection it doesn't mean there is an agenda pro-black people. (I am writting here because the discussion was locked). BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk)

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Tchoumi Houmi Elvis

Well, I thought it was self-explanatory; that there is insufficient notability demonstrated. Couldn't you have messaged me with the query, rather than going ahead and removing the Prod. We're left with yet another stub/non-notable footballer now. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 11:46, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, it seems I should've added some explanation to the formal Prod box - I don't use Prod that much so am rusty with the process. However, in the edit summary I stated 'no evidence of notability'. Are you saying that procedurally you had to dispute the Prod due to a lack of rationale provided in the Prod box? Eldumpo (talk) 11:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Re:IFA Shield

Sorry about that. I will add a quick reference just to prove that this tournament is real and I will get to the heavy stuff later. I only had time to create the quick article earlier today. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Feeder clubs

Baltimore may be referenced, however it is out of date as this project folded in a similar fashion to the Chengdu/Sheffield one once the club (CPFC) went into administration. Atban.3000 write me 17:21, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

As for Bury et al., I will find some references then readd this info. Atban.3000 write me 17:21, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Bits and pieces

Hi there SNOWY,

without further ado: 1 - regarding this stuff (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:KARLSRUHER), i seem to remember that another user i spoke with regarding this told me this was no WP guideline, merely the opinion of User:ArtVandelay13. However, the rest of the users don't have any saying when it comes to edit the boxes of players that play(ed) for German clubs, if we try to compress the box from 1. FC Köln to "Köln", we are reverted everytime by him and the other German users (User:Jaellee, User:Sir Sputnik, can't remember if there are more). Your views here?

2 - i have been having a bit of a run-in in some Brazilian footballers (ex. Liédson, Cléber Santana) when it comes to the PC update in box. I write "11 February 2013", he reverts to "February 11, 2013". Shouldn't we not be using the former instead of the latter?

Attentively, happy week --AL (talk) 18:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Great Zimbabwe

GiantSnowman - Many Thanks for taking action at Great Zimbabwe on 9th February regarding a succession of reverts by "FastFromLight". Something comparable seems to be taking place now, but this time by "theDarkNight" - who always refuses to give any reasons for reverting, and declines suggestions to come on to the Talk-Page to discuss the pros and cons of various versions.

Perhaps you would be so good, please, as to take a look at the pages concerned. What is the correct way of handling this matter? Thanks in anticipation, --DLMcN (talk) 18:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Sir ! - for acting so promptly ! --DLMcN (talk) 19:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

TAFI

Hello, In the past few days, Today's Articles for Improvement has gone through many changes. We have modified the process for adding Nominations, which now uses a template/table format and requires only 3 supports for an article to be selected. There is now a Holding Area, where articles are kept for discussion before being selected for a particular date. The TAFI schedule now involves adding 10 articles weekly, chosen from a variety of topics. We now have an Accomplishments page where we will be highlighting our older TAFI articles which have now become quality articles on the Wikipedia. The Project is almost ready to hit the Main Page, where it will be occupying a section just below "Did you Know" section. Three article from the weekly batch of 7 will be displayed randomly at the main page, the format of which can be seen at the Main Page sandbox. There is also an ongoing discussion at the Main page talk over the final details before we can go forward with the Main Page. If you have any ideas to discuss with everyone else, please visit the TAFI Talk Page and join in on the ongoing discussions there. You are also invited to add new nominations, and comment and suport on the current ones at the Nominations page. You can also help by helping in the discussions at the Holding Area. Above all, please do not forget to improve our current Today's Articles for Improvement Thank you and hoping to have some productive work from you at the Project, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC) (From the TAFI team)

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Reliable source

Hi. According to Russian Women's Football Championship page, it is the top-division of Russian professional football. If that page is not reliable, it should be addressed there. If anyone finds the information you're looking for, the case is closed. National Women's Soccer League is not full pro either. I think we should look at whether the athlete is prefessional or not. Thanks for your message. Harvardton (talk) 17:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, the requirement of WP:NFOOTBALL is not optimal, from my point of view. I don't look in wikipedia only for information on someone who is very well known. When I see a name like Toni Pressley, I want to find some information, and wikipedia is generally quite good. I believe she is WP:GNG. Harvardton (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for deletion

Thanks for deleting "Dialectical Monism". - Metalello <sup>talk</sup> 19:41, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Bungaroo

Hi - You recently deleted the article on Bungaroo for notability issues..... I missed seeing the PROD and would appreciate you giving me a 'userfied' version of the article. I suspect I might be able to save it with a bit of reference work. Thanks and Regards, Ariconte (talk) 20:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the userfied page..... could you do the talk page too??? Please, Ariconte (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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User request to delete page history

Hello, a user is requesting the removal of the deletion log of a page that was deleted yesterday. Before I head on over to the Oversight team I wanted to check if that is indeed the correct course of action (in a technical and policy sense). You can find the user request here: User talk:Cabe6403#NATASHA DUARTE - PLEASE DELETE PAGE IN ITS ENTIRETY ASAP. Thanks, Cabe6403 <sup>(Talk•Sign)</sup> 09:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Appologies for not linking the page, I forgot it was all caps. The user seems to enjoy capital letters. I have replied on my talk page. Cabe6403 <sup>(Talk•Sign)</sup> 10:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

User:SuzanneOlsson

Hello GiantSnowman. Since you closed the debate on an editing restriction, do you want to enter the result in WP:RESTRICT? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that takes care of it, thank you. EdJohnston (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now explained to her what "broadly construed" means since she was apparently thinking she only got banned from editing the main article Roza Bal. De728631 (talk) 19:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, sadly. Could you please explain to her whether continuing Talk page edits are allowed. Personally I have no objection, but the close appears to include Talk pages? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Does it? I was for talk and mainspace ban, but it read to me as though the close were for mainspace only. I just told her the ban didn't include talk, do I need to strike that? Or do we need to revisit the issue? KillerChihuahua 20:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

February 2013

Hi! What I've added in IFFHS is not my personal analysis but a translation of the german-language source I've already used as a reference in the article. Isksin (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Those aren't muskets/Micheal swaim?

I saw you recently deleted the Those Aren't Muskets page and i believe Micheal Swaim's page for being "not notable" and was wondering if there's any way of getting them back up? Just seeing if there's a chance, Thanks! Mango57 (talk) 00:17, 20 February 2013 (UTC)Mango57

Strongvibration

thanks for your concern , best regard, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongvibration (talk • contribs) 16:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

yes, you can find the article for jesuly on spanish wikipadia site es.wikipadia Strongvibration (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

thanks one more time, have a good day... Strongvibration (talk) 17:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Great Zimbabwe - again !

Giant Snowman - Many thanks for offering to help (18:51, 17 February). Please take another look at the recent history of "Great Zimbabwe". User "Waslalh" did at least come on to the Talk-Page (although he did not really seem to grasp the essential point - i.e., that people do exist who support the Lemba Theory). However, as you will see, User ‎86.60.65.22 has recently reverted sourced text twice within the space of just a few minutes. Is it possible to 'Lock' the "Great Zimbabwe" file, please, at least for a while? ... DougWeller and I did agree on a compromise text at 16:25 on 17 Feb.... Gratefully, --DLMcN (talk) 16:30, 20 February 2013 (UTC) ...... >> Very Many Thanks - once again ! --DLMcN (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Len Carney

With ref to Len Carney he came over to the Isle of Man for many years with the Collegiate Old Boys FC and was a vice-president of the club.He did not discuse his military career but the school magazine "Esmeduna" gave details. He captained a England amateur 11 prior to the war and was invited to tour Europe with an FA amateur squad in 1946 but decided to go to The Island.As a member of the Old Boys Association we were aware of his career in Education. Ray Krausse (COBFC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by R Krausse (talk • contribs) 21:35, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Table format

Hi, just read your message; I have noticed alot more tables are used recently, for example, there are some articals using tables for squad... I cannot really see the benefit of using a table to represent the data and personally think it makes the articals look messy. I would like to hear your oppinion on this and why you think it benefits the artical and other articals (if you think so). Thanks Atban.3000 write me 23:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Luis Rubiales

Don't know what else can i do but to ask for your help, and if this case does not grant page protection...

I have reverted this invidivual a million times, thought he'd desisted by now but he has not. What does he do? "Translates" from the ES.WIKI entry into this one, in horrific language, and removes all the refs in the text whilst at it. Get in touch with the person? Impossible, another case of one million anon IPs, unfortunately.

Regards, thank you very much in advance - --AL (talk) 00:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

• I see you have warned this person, will not do any good though. Your reply "analysed": 1 - related to beginning of this message; 2 - the expletive was regarding the action, not the person who did it ("Fucking vandalISM" not "Fucking vandal"), still inappropriate i admit it. I have never tried to get in touch with this person because of the dynamic IP thing amongst other reasons, but the person knows (he should) i am the ONLY one undoing him, why does he not do the opposite (getting in touch with me)? Hence yes, getting real "worked up".

P.S. I have a feeling the entire ES.WIKI page is being "translated" using google or similar. --AL (talk) 15:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Zoey Van Goey

How dare you consider Zoey Van Goey for deletion you bastard!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.209.54 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 21 February 2013‎

Leave Zoey Van Goey alone you persistant bastard! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.209.54 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 21 February 2013‎

Do as I fucking say, leave Zoey Van Goey;s entry alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.209.54 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 21 February 2013

Pininfarina Enjoy

Hi. Rationale. A quick check of history would have saved us both some time. AFD? No, I'm semi-retired, sorry. --kingboyk (talk) 18:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Request - Doubt

Without further ado, here we go!

1 - User:Alexgreene87 has asked me if i can get the following templates deleted. He says they are out of date and he vows to create the correct and updated Portuguese Second Division templates. I don't know if the modus operandi is the same for templates/cats as it is for articles (i suppose it is), that's why i ask you.

They are: 2 - Is this sentence in Tiago Ilori, moreover being referenced (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiago_Ilori&diff=501776255&oldid=501726293, the bit "Ilori made his official debut for the Lions' first team, playing the full 90 minutes in a 3–1 league home win against U.D. Leiria, and committing an error which led to the visitors equalizing in the 20th minute." is mentioned in the PORTUGOAL.net source), non-neutral or engaging in POV like one user (politely that is) accused me of? If you say it is not, i will reinsert in the storyline.

May your break be a wonderful one, regards from Portugal --AL (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

• Have added the request here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_discussion), don't know if it's the correct place, no feedback whatsoever after SEVEN hours. Also, no reply whatsoever in my last WP:FOOTY report, your input would be greatly appreciated man!

Thanks for everything as always, keep it up. --AL (talk) 19:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Ray Treacy

Can I ask why you keep deleting the infobox in this article? It seems rather strange.Jdorney (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

If the edit is not problematic, surely it should not be removed, even if it is a sock/banned user? Jdorney (talk) 20:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't accept that, that's just vindictive. Besides, other users (including myself) have restored this edit. How does it improve wikipedia to block it? And why was this user locked in the first place? Jdorney (talk) 22:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

If he's being abusive that's one thing, but this really strikes me as a 'wood and trees' type situation. If I'm not mistaken, this person made a pain of themselves on the 2011 Shamrock Rovers season page - mainly because they didn't understand procedures for referencing. But now he is making constructive edits and you are following him around deleting them just because it's him who made them. That is not constructive behaviour on your part. The goal here is to improve the articles, not to implement rules for the sake of it. Jdorney (talk) 09:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

So ok. The user has to say they'll edit under their account name and not make personal attacks. Fine. He/she should do that. But in the meantime what is gained by reverting constructive edits just because of the user who is making them? I mean we block people for vandalism for doing that. So if i was to go around reverting your reverts (I'm not planning on doing this), you would leave that version? This is my exact problem with folowing rules to abstraction on wikipedia at the expense of content. reductio ad absurdem. In the end ( I'm not suggesting this is what's happening here) it just facilitates people gaming the system and pursuing vendettas. Jdorney (talk) 12:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Well I find that ridiculous. Again, the goal is improving the articles. Jdorney (talk) 13:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's not as simple as that. Not at all. Lets be clear, whoever the user is should abide by the norms of behaviour. But if the said user makes constructive edits on articles in which I have an interest and they are removed, I will restore them. Regards, Jdorney (talk) 17:45, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Always Learning

We have recognized Always Learning as our 7th Editor of the Week. Thanks for the nomination. Go Phightins! 02:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Moved by your kind words Snowy, many thanks and keep up the good work yourself --AL (talk) 23:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Don't know the correct template for these situations but...sent you an e-mail, be on the lookout mate! --AL (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

HELP!

Hi, I was wondering if I could make template articles for every Coventry City F.C. matches like they do for 2013 Football League Cup Final, 2012 FA Cup Final etc. Or are those single articles just for a particular event final. Thanks Skyblueshaun 22:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

No-Fi

Hi. First time writing on someone elses talk-page. Hopefully I don't mess it up.

I looked at the reference you put in the No-Fi article and to be honest I'm not really impressed. It mentions No-Fi in one sentence, without any explanation or context other than that Beck has graduated from Hi-Fi, to Lo-Fi to No-Fi. The quote is "Now 12 albums into his career Beck is changing it up again - he's gone no-fi".

It's also a bit funny how all the bands in the article seem to be noise/black metal or similar except for Eric's Trip which is closer to Beck. So it's not a genre, and poor production/recording techniques are already covered by Lo-Fi. I think the article still needs to prove it's worth. Swooch (talk) 14:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

And another one for your return!

The Luis Rubiales page keeps getting the "Google translation from ES.WIKI, refs removed" treatment, i have reverted again and, since it was done by a previously used IP from this person, took my chance and messaged him in Spanish. It will not do any good however, either i'll be ignored or insulted.

Cheers, wish you a "soft" return - --AL (talk) 21:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be a nuisance

but seeing as you're back... AL posted the below request on my talk page, but there's nothing I can do to action it, even if I were sure that what he wants is desirable:

2 - Adrià Carmona has had his article recreated after making La Liga debuts, but i would like for the previous storyline (before the first article was deleted that is) to be reprieved should it be possible, i mean is there a technical way to do it?

Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 13:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you both, that surely took a weight off my shoulders, had much less work to do when doing my improvements. Kudos to you sirs! --AL (talk) 16:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, i'd have to say "sorry to be a nuisance" also, but given you're back in active, what can you tell me about the mail i sent you and the Luis Rubiales article? The latter is getting very annoying. Attentively --AL (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks. And how about the e-mail? He's active no? --AL (talk) 20:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

HammerkatzNYU

Why was the HammerkatzNYU article deleted? I am the director of the group and we are very much still active/ wiki-worthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.243.58.157 (talk) 06:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

History of Lille OSC

i dont know how i will add a lot of matrial for the History of Lille OSC i have another question, can u add the Fenerbahces 12/13 third kit? [7] the third one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yandex1 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

• Snowy, this guy is a sock of User:Aciyokrocky (please see his history here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hyrijesaliu), engages in overlinking like no tomorrow, glues all sentences in storyline, removes stuff as B-clubs in box and uploads copyrighted images (as seen in Luis Enrique Martínez García (there, you will see another sock just inches below in the new edit history, User:RuyalarKizi)).

Other than in Enrique, Thomas Schaaf and Pierre Webó, this guy gave me the time of day at Mehmet Topal, sistematically reverting me with overlinking and removing refs to please his version (one example here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mehmet_Topal&diff=next&oldid=515712195, with another sock User:Aciyokrocky1).

Happy weekend man, you have been briefed --AL (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Montenegrin vandal

Since you archived, i had to create another topic (shame on you!),

your conversation with and posterior block of User:Yandex1 took place before 10AM. He was blocked and did not bother to ask you why? No doubt, he will, as per his habit, create more and more socks. As long as someone has Luis Enrique Martínez García or Pierre Webó (for example) on their watchlist (as i told you before my friend, i don't have one anymore) he'll be easily caught.

Cheerio --AL (talk) 18:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Couldn't resist - what a FANTASTIC username AL!!! oops, sorry ... carry on GS. — Ched :  ?  20:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, oh kind TPS, although i have to admit there are better. And don't get me started on users with better names AND wiki-behaviour, shame on me sometimes! Cheers. --AL (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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Peter Butterly

As a matter of courtsey I thought you might like to have a look at the conversation here as you set the redirect up in the first instance. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 07:43, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Taiwan

Hi GS. Could you please update the Template:WikiProject Football to remove the deleted Taiwanese task force from the template. Thanks, C679 21:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Also would you know how to command a bot to strip the Category:Football in Taiwan task force articles, then delete the category and its parent? Thanks, C679 21:24, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, due to the category being populated directly from the template, no bot was needed and the categories automatically unpopulated themselves, now all tagged under G8. Cheers, C679 06:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you restore page sewaro

Hi I checked the Wikipedia just recently and noticed my article was deleted by you. Please restore the page as I want to edit something in it. BTW, thanks for notifying me. Ashishlohorung (talk) 05:54, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Disruptive messages

It appears that you are once again sending me disruptive messages. This is starting to get really annoying. Have you no shame in constantly taunting me? Druryfire (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

They have external sources which show that what i'm writing is actually happening. How can you contest this?? Your wasting your time by even trying to contest this. Druryfire (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Increasingly disruptive to who? Druryfire (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Your not cleaning up though. You don't add anything to the title other than a big banner, thats not cleaning it up, thats making a mess of an article in progress. Druryfire (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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MOS:BIOGRAPHIES

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Footballer

Hi GiantSnowman, For making a footballer's page we will have to make sure he has played in the League match or we will have to make sure he has played in any official matches without playing in the league?Debojyoti (talk)

Norwegian vandal

This guy you have already warned/blocked as i see (please "have a go" here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.237.112.128), but he DOES NOT CARE,

In Francisco Puñal he took it up a notch in his box "contributions", not only did he remove those "horrid" B-teams, he removed a TWO-YEAR (!!) loan in CD Leganés. User:Mentoz86, in another of this vandal's addresses, has communicated with him in Norwegian at my suggestion, so we'd be sure the language barrier stopped constituting such (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:88.89.136.46). What on god's name is this?!

Kind regards as always mate, happy regular work and wiki work --AL (talk) 19:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry my mix-up, not the same person (one Norwegian, another Moldovan), all the more sad i feel, i "came across" two vandals instead of one! --AL (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for restoring Sewaro

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Requesting your input

Hello Giant, I saw your name at AN/I and BLPN and noticed you're an administrator. Can you please look at this BLPN discussion and give your thoughts. I don't care at all which side of the issue you're on, but I just want a very experienced editor to comment. And if you know any other experienced editors/admins who can also give their thoughts in the thread, that would be great. If I'm wrong on the issue, I welcome your feedback to that effect. But if not, I hope the concerns will be appropriately addressed since it is a BLP. Thank you very much. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Another one bites the dust

Getting international we are, now found one from Argentina (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/201.212.234.216). Getting international in what, you ask? In removing stuff from infoboxes (B-clubs, etc), we had a guy from Moldova, another from Norway.

Here's an example of what i accuse him of (see here in Isco http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isco&diff=543931273&oldid=543902579), he has been repeatedly warned from what i see in his talkpage. Regards --AL (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• Shows no sign of wanting to talk and/or change his ways, as seen in Nicolás Sánchez...Sigh. --AL (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Not of my business, but all I see at Nicolás Sánchez is an IP bringing the league appearances up-to-date, but without updating the as-of date to match. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

• Yes STRU you are correct, all he did in that and today's edit was that, stats updated without PC update, not serious stuff. But he has VANDALIZED articles. --AL (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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A possible former Bradford-player

Hi there, Giant. As you seem to be the primary editor behind the Bradford City player list, I came here for a question: Glenn Arne Hansen, who will have a wiki-article shortly, is cited in a lot of Norwegian news-articles as "a former Bradford-player", but I can't find any record of him playing for Bradford City. The list that is used in the List of Bradford City A.F.C. players doesn't list his name either. He was born in 1972, so that he played for the academy is not a possibility :P He claims in this interview from 2008 that "he was in Bradford for six months, twelve years ago" but that he returned to Norway when he got the opportunity to play in Tippeligaen. Twelve years before 2008 is 1996, and he did make his debut in Tippeligaen in 1996, so my question is: was this guy a part of Bradford's squad in the 1995–96 season without playing any matches? Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

It is Bradford City, (in Norway we tend call English football clubs for "Newcastle" instead of "Newcastle United" and "Blackburn" instead of "Blackburn Rovers" etc.) but given that it was a six-month spell around 1996, Hansen was not at the club before 1988. From further googling, I found this, which implies that The Independent wrote 28 March 1996 that Bradford City signed Hansen? You have a good time tonight, an answer tomorrow is better then no answer :D Mentoz86 (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Heh, United and Wednesday from Sheffield and United and City from Manchester are close to the only clubs where those "suffix" are used, and some people are surprised when they find out Newcastle and Leeds are also named "United" :P But BigDom is stalking your talkpage, and gave me an answer, but thanks anyways. :) Mentoz86 (talk) 13:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Reason for deletion of pages

Hello Snowman Please advice why these pages where deleted. I have been following these pages for the last many months. There has been no deletion discussion. Thanks for your attention.

19:32, 14 March 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Oneness University (G8: Talk page of a deleted page) 19:32, 14 March 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page Oneness University (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion) 19:32, 14 March 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Kalki Bhagavan (G8: Talk page of a deleted page) 19:31, 14 March 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page Kalki Bhagavan (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion) Prodigyhk (talk) 05:20, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I did not know about the earlier deletion and its later recreation. But for the last 6 months, I have been working on this article. We have had various incidence of vandalism, due to which the article could not be updated more thoroughly. Advice how we can go about to restore the deletion. This person is notable. Prodigyhk (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, per WP:DELREVD {Before listing a review request, please: discuss the matter with the closing administrator and try to resolve it with him or her first. If you and the admin cannot work out a satisfactory solution, only then should you bring the matter before Deletion review.} Based on this, continuing discussion with you. The original request for deletion very old dated 2008. The article was since then recreated(I do not know know by whom nor if deletion review was done). Since then there has been many activity on this article, including my work over the last 6 months. So, I do not see any reason for deletion of this article.Prodigyhk (talk) 02:40, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Gaint, Find on Wiki criticism about the person Ism schism who made the original request for deletion in 2008. Many users have complained that this User:Ism generated numerous Afds with the argument "delete-non notable" specifically targeting Hindu related articles . Request you may check on this user:ism, as it seems he has an personal agenda in making these deletion requests.Prodigyhk (talk) 03:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Giant, thanks for your help. Let me know once the process starts on AFD, so that I can participate Prodigyhk (talk) 01:48, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's articles for improvement

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James Smith

former Bradford City player, one league app in 36/37-ish. Could you find time to look him up in your book and see what it says for dates/places of birth/death and full name. There are contradictory sources, and I wouldn't mind a fourth opinion. Not urgent :-) thanks, Struway2 (talk) 13:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

It is the same James Smith as at Uptheposh. Was rather hoping for a place of death, or a full middle name rather than an unconvincing initial. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Fishy

Fishy indeed, don't know if it's illegal or not wikiwise, but User:MonFrontieres IS User:Kolins (bet my two hands and two legs on it!), and the latter has already been blocked no?

Attentively - --AL (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• I thought those caps made it clear man, no need for SPI, it is Kolins. --AL (talk) 00:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Same (poor) level of English, 99,999999999999% focus on Equatorial Guinea football(ers). Needed one look at the contributions' list to be sure. Then again, he's not a vandal, and he has stopped removing the categories he should not. --AL (talk) 00:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• More evidence, Kolins stopped editing after the block, moving to this MonFrontieres account, altough i'd have to point out it has existed for several years now. I know it's him, you're free not to believe me of course. --AL (talk) 03:35, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:AN and Pies

GiantSnowman, As a (hopefully) 'trusted' editor. Although I agree that the close by 88.104.17.92 was premature and unnecessary, your rerevert (which is edit warring is unbecoming on a high profile (really any) page. The IP shouldn't have reinstated their close, but you equally shouldn't have reverted again. The page is watched by enough people that I'm sure someone else would have come around and reopened it (and if not then maybe it was time to close). In addition your insinuation on User talk:88.104.17.92 that the IP did not have the right to close such a discussion is, with all due respect, borderline uncivil and in direct contradiction with the third pillar. Citing BRD (an informational page) is not an excuse for edit warring (a policy). Regards, Crazynas <sup>t</sup> 22:36, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, and I never said that you said that the IP didn't have the right I said you insinuated it. I also didn't say that you were 'uncivil' I said that it was borderline. Specifically: " so why does an anonymous IP feel the sudden need to close it? Let someone who is trusted (i.e. an admin) make that call." [8]. Do you see how that could be taken in the wrong light (especially since the thread in question manifestly did not need the 'trust' of an administrator to close it)? I agree that the thread didn't need to be closed at this time, this was more in the way of a friendly heads up as to how your words and actions might be construed. Regards, Crazynas <sup>t</sup> 23:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

@ Crazynas re "premature and unnecessary" - please take into consideration the manner in which I closed it [9] - no fuss, highlighting the sentiment "We're all here trying to build the world's largest free knowledge encyclopedia", but subtly trying to draw a line under comments about resignation reasons. The thread was likely to attract further DRAMA, and it's hard to imagine any further productive input that could have been posted. Premature - it's certainly something that could have been discussed, but it's unfortunate that GiantSnowman quashed the closure twice, before even attempting a discussion - and it's clear why; xe freely admitted that if it'd been an admin, xe wouldn't have contested it at all. 88.104.17.92 (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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Lincoln Zvasiya

Hi GiantSnowman, There was a huge mistake in the page "Lincoln Zvasiya", which I now corrected. It was said that the player was banned for 10 years due to match-fixing. That sentece had been previously removed and then added again by yourself, which is why I let you know about my modification. This probably arises from a misundertanding: actually, the reference that was given clealry indicates that Zvasiya was not banned but rather exonerated. I therefore already proceeded to remove the incorrect sentece, although I let you consider if it's worth adding an alternative sentence such as "despite being accused of match-fixing, Zvasiya was exonerated in October 2012 etc.etc." Thank you. Lore Rove (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Dutch footballers

hello GiantSnowman,im sorry for the unsourced edits, i guess i was getting carried away with my editing,would it be alright if i add transfermarkt.uk, worldofffootball.com or footballzz.com as sources, these sources usually give ethnic background.on a side note i coincidentally was also battling against kolins a year ago.i was checking out some spanish players of equito guinean descent and i saw that kolins would erase the spanish people of equito-guinean category as soon as the player was capped for equito-guinea.i checked kolins talk page because i thought someone would be complaining about his removal of ethnic categories,thats when i saw you and another guy from spain warring against him lol.i added most of his remmovals back,but i think he went back and removed some weeks later.i respect you as a wikipedian for your contributions on football.i agree with nana bediako for proposed deletion the more i see it.it says he played for the top league in that middle eastern country but did he have at least 1 cap?i added bediako to ethnic category since i saw it was in the body of article.would those 3 sites i pointed out be good sources for ethnic background?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baker987 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Reply

It's work in progress. I have references but my time is being cut short. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 16:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I already had this talk with admins before. They said its fine as long as I use the hat. I should be done with it by the end of today. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I accidently put the content back. It was an accident and I'm trying to remove it now.

Anyways, I hope there are no hard feelings about this. I don't need the info that was on my talk anymore, so this issues done. I was wondering if you could delete your sandbox, as I'll be using my real one now. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 23:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

No offense, but I think you're being a little power hungry now. None of Lionel Messi's international goals have references, nor do most of his rewards. If we had to remove every content on wikipedia without a source number, there wouldn't be much left. Also don't forget external links. soccerway.com has all of Edgar's awards. And I removed the tabs because the article has many correctly made references. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

You didn't reply to me while you were online so I'm taking that as a green light to put my edit back. Was going to wait for a reply, but I've got to much work to do in to little time. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Scott Burns

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Scott_Burns. From 2005, but equally as NN five years later! Black Kite (talk) 21:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Back...

No, just logged in to have a quick look around & ended up finding that link not sure if it's any use but as for returning not quiet yet. All the best ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 00:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

MOS discussion regarding football seasons in player infoboxes

FYI, GS -- Please be aware of this discussion at MOS: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Years; reverts. This discussion grew out of a feature article review for an NBA basketball player Juwan Howard. Before jumping into the discussion, I suggest that you review the relevant MOS section, MOS:YEAR. As I'm sure you can see, this has the potential to significantly change the currently used year span conventions in the football player infoboxes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

About removing of my information

Please do not add or change content, as you did to Pietro Ghedin, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. GiantSnowman 18:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but information is here: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/pietro-ghedin/aufeinenblick/trainer_21330.html. And I am asking you PLEASE not remove this, that I added. Or if you removed it, were is information, that he was born in Italy? And you are knowing, that not every word we are verifying, but we have a Wikipedia:Good faith, especially for these persons, who never made vandalism or another bad actions. I can't promise, that I'll make for every word the footnotes: it's impossible. If I made something wrong or vandalism - show me, but to remove the true information - it's vandalism. Thank you--Noel baran (talk) 19:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

It's very hard to WP:AGF when someone I do not know from Adam violates WP:RS, WP:V, WP:BLP, and does not use an edit summary. It is also worth noting that Transfermarkt would not be considered reliable. GiantSnowman 20:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, but accuse somebody it's not very well, I think. If I have some dubious, I try to find of verification (it happened, for example, yesterday, when some anonymous wrote, that Ignashevich became FC Shakhtar player. It was not true, but I removed only after research, not automatically: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FC_Shakhtar_Donetsk&action=history). Another way of minding only make the life more hard for everyone. Also, you can verify if put in google search "Pietro Ghedin" and "Scorzè"--Noel baran (talk) 20:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok--Noel baran (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Reply

Do you see a moral here? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I haven't deleted anything sourced. I thought every sentence without a miny number at the end must be removed... --TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

How am I lying or not checking my edits..--TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

That's called a mistake. Understandable because the one for Buckdancer's Choice: Poems is a duplicate. Still, under the Biography section, I didn't remove anything sourced, which is most of the section. And you, who were there first, did nothing about it. This means you may be a hypocrite.

And I just misread your name, relax. And both you and the other Admin weren't beyond altering my name. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I never said "messing". Now you seem to be a liar.

Can we stop playing games and you just abandon your zealous standards agenda for the Edgar Manucharyan article? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:12, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Joe Hart has a ton of content on his page without sources. Why don't you go nuke the England national team content? The fact is Edgar's page is sourced and the things you are challenging are to obvious. He was obviously born in Yerevan, supported by every external link. He played for clubs when they won certain awards, so we can add those to his honors. And we don't need to prove he doesn't play for Ajax anymore WHEN HE's PLAYING FOR ANOTHER FREAKING TEAM.

Also, you removed sourced content proving he has the same birthday as a teammate. Soooo... YOU are not checking your edits.--TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Of course it's encyclopedic, this is an encyclopedia. No, saying he was on a team that won a Premier League or Cup is not POV in any way. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You've just lost my respect. You called the edit encyclopedic and in the next couple minutes said it isn't encyclopedic. It seems you don't know what you're talking about. He obviously became the top goalscorer that year and I'll give a better word than advocate. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You want references for things that are obvious. Very few articles meet your ludacris standards. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

No articles have reference tag for every sentence. It's not like there are any bold statements on the article. There is such a thing as obvious. We don't not a source to prove something like Messi plays football. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Duwayne Kerr

Ah, that explains it. I was searching my ass off, while thinking "GiantSnowman never adds unsourced info to an article, so he has to have gotten it somewhere", but couldn't find the information. If you remember which site who confirmed it, we'll know which site that isn't reliable :) Mentoz86 (talk) 11:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

True :) Mentoz86 (talk) 12:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Another old C&P page move

Hi GS. Noticed the article and talk page didn't quite add up and checked into the edit histories, found you there! Articles in question are Shirak F.C. (main article from establishment on 16 July 2004 until 15 June 2012) and Shirak FC (redirect until 15 June 2012, location of the main article since then). Talk page is still at the former. I suppose a history merge is in order, although I can't say I have an opinion on which format of the club name should be used. Thanks, C679 19:22, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. C679 19:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Luxembourg national football team

Well, what wasn't neutral about the edit on Luxembourg national football team? I mean maybe it wasn't, but I don't really get why. Luxembourg is a very small nation (circa 400,000 nationals) and they've never qualified for a EURO or a World Cup. They win a competitive match once in three or four years, mostly against other relatively weak teams. When they win a match against a fairly good team (such as Switzerland), this is a great success for them. Here's a link to the Luxembourgish-language news journal from the day after the win against Albania in 2011: [10] (the journal starts at 3:40, the beginning is just ads). It was the headline of the evening news and you can see fans and players jumping around like they've won the EURO, even though they had not the smallest chance of qualifying for the tournament. And this is the evening news, not a sports journal! --- All this is not condescending. It is a very small nation and it's difficult for them to win. Maybe we could rephrase the text to make it work? Even though I don't think any Luxembourgish person would find it inapproriate the way I phrased it. No offense meant :) Tell me what you think. 82.83.202.139 (talk) 11:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I gave it another shot. I hope you're ok now. Otherwise you might want to rephrase it yourself, instead of just deleting it. Especially as the article was almost empty. Some basic information would be good.82.83.202.139 (talk) 14:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I have done another very little rephrasing of the last sentence. I hope we can both agree on this version now... Funny how much time can be spent on three sentences :) Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.202.139 (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Danso Gordon

Hi, our lines got crossed over at the DG article, I was cleaning up and we got edit conflicted, I did delete the unsourced, trivial stuff and as I said in the ES "summarized ad career" and added a fact tag to the last linE. Couldn't really see the harm of summarizing the listing of every ad that he's done, down to a couple of lines, then maybe someone would come along and clean that up! Glad that you got rid of that wholoe section about his upbringing and such, don't know if I would have been as bold. CaptainScreebo <sup>Parley!</sup> 16:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Arsen Beglaryan

Can you take down the protection for making an article about Arsen Beglaryan? The page had been deleleted half a dozen times by Admins, including you, because it wasn't ready, but now it is and I'd like to upload it. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Just look in mine. He no longer fails WP:GNG and the other times the article was deleted it was because a banned user made them. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

He plays for a national team and is in the Armenian Premier League. Please don't turn this into another game. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The article is well sourced and your link doesn't say if the Armenian league is flly professional or not. And Notability doesn't mention leaving the bench. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

If you read the article, you'd know it contains references from Armenian news websites. No, the page doesn't say that. And the Armenian League isn't mentioned under "Top level leagues which are not fully professional" either. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The page admits the list is incomplete. And what's wrong with the references? Everything on the article is proven. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

He's a national team player, his notability isn't in question. And I still don't see where it says he has to leave the bench, you are just interperting that however yo like. Who decides if a League is fully professional? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The sources are both signifigant and reliable. What makes a league fully professional? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Four news -not database- references, plus four database links, are plenty. In fact, those are all the references. Because you claimed the references were databases, this shows you haven't looked at them. Will you take down the lock now? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 19:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

What kind of sources do you have in mind? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Three of the four are interviews. In them he discusses club transfers and joining the national team among other things. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 19:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Sekhon

Hello, the change was made because I'm a Partick Thistle fan and Aaron Sekhon has not made any appearances for us yet. His name appears for those matches listed on his profile because Soccerbase has listed him as a starter, but this is due to an error from the Press Association who have on a couple of occasions mistakenly put Sekhon down instead of Aaron Sinclair (our regular left-back). So as it turns out - Sekhon hasn't made any starts/appearances. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.175.76 (talk) 12:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know I'm fairley certain the ip is correct. Me & duck checked every time we saw his name with Partick reports & he hadn't played. Worth re- checking though as its been a whilst. Blethering Scot 11:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Kerr Young

When did consensus re the First division change. One of my articles been AFD one hour after been moved out of userspace as not played in pro League. Don't take part at Wp:Footy anymore nor really create player articles only moved this one as it was in my userspace from over a year ago. It needs work and ill improve it so could you move back to my userspace, can't be bothered with the argument over it.Blethering Scot 10:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Im really not that bothered, could you just move it back in the mean time. Think it might stem a little from the discussion at notability sports re WP:Footy. It's stupid to really discuss it just now especially given we don't know whether the league will exist in a couple of months after reconstruction which if does go ahead would likely create more pro teams. At least queen of the south are being promoted as they are a fully pro team, will bring back to eight pro teams plus one that has a majority pro squad out of ten. Anyway not going to be doing much past the end of this season so not going to affect me. Did you see my comment above. Blethering Scot 11:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

If I put a request in at the AFD will you move the article back. Blethering Scot 13:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I personally think it should be allowed to stay as he is bound to be making a lot more appearances. However my personal feeling is that its not worth the hassle to fix up further and argue the point about removing notably mid season is nonsense. But I'm more than happy for it to be userfied again anyway. The change would affect you a lot more than me as I pledged ages ago not to create many player articles and the only reason this one existed was because for some reason the player was on the bench almost every week for Dunfermline in the spl and never got a game. Blethering Scot 13:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jordan Jivanda

The article Jordan Jivanda has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Subject fails WP:GNG, and the football-specific notability guideline by never having played in a fully professional league. The appearance for Hamilton against Ross County never happened: please see Talk:Jordan Jivanda#Proposed deletion rationale: phantom appearance for explanation.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Struway2 (talk) 11:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

As to pointing you towards evidence, I believe I did, once. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Motion to close RFC/U

You have previously commented on Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Niemti.

As an outside editor, I have moved that this RFC/U be closed. If you wish to comment on the Motion to close, please do so here. Fladrif (talk) 14:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

You

Why do you have a problem with my editing style? Also, because this is the second time you altered an article I created/edited after me, I think you are the one stalking my edits now. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok then. I liked and didn't like certain parts of your changes on Norair and Masis, so I'll make my own changes and we'll go from there. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 00:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

ANI

I was very surprised by the opposition to unrequested doppelgangers, but once the consensus became clear I agreed not to make them anymore. Why did you feel it necessary to add a block threat, after I had already agreed not to make them (epically considering Richard BB's post)? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

From my talk page: "Because you qualified your statement with "except maybe for Jimbo [...] at least not until policy on doppelgangers becomes clearer" - no, not for anyone, not ever. GiantSnowman 09:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)" Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

That will depended on what WP:Doppleganger eventually says about it (and we really should have an RFC or something about it). If it ends up saying "not for anyone, not ever" then of couce I wouldn't, but it's not that clear. Look at Wikipedia:Tfd#Template:Doppelganger-other. User:AKMask said multiple people mencened departed editors, and said User:AKMask "Registering doppelgangers for high-profile users to prevent their abuse is a long standing security habit around the wiki". I think we can conclude that unrequested Dopplegangers are inappropriate most of the time, but not necessarily all of the time. Once we have a clear policy about them I intended to follow it, but in the meantime I intended not to create them. As for the "(except maybe for Jimbo)" part, my understanding is that creating dopplegangers for him is routine and perfectly acceptable, but I'll ask User:King of Hearts in case I'm mistaken. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

"A doppelgänger account is a second account created with a username similar to one's main account to prevent impersonation" - my emphasis - meaning you create it for yourself, not for others. GiantSnowman 12:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SchuminWeb closed

An arbitration case regarding SchuminWeb, and previously suspended by motion, has now closed. The original temporary injuction has been enacted:

[...] Should SchuminWeb decide to resign his administrative tools, the case will be closed and no further action taken. Should SchuminWeb not return to participate in the case within three months [...] the account will be desysopped. If the tools are resigned or removed in either of the circumstances described above, restoration of the tools to SchuminWeb will require a new request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ<sup>21</sup> 05:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

re

I was readding it, it wasn't there to begin with. Do you even check these things?

FYI, 90% of the English football squad don't have middle name sources. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 16:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Veljko Batrović

Hi as you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veljko Batrović a year ago I thought you should know that I've just declined a G4 on Veljko Batrović and restored the pre AFD edits. Not only is the new article substantially different, but it looks like his career has moved him into our notability zone since the last AFD, with 7 rather than zero top flight appearances. In my view he has gone from a clear delete at the time of the last AFd to a clear keep this time. ϢereSpielChequers 19:28, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't state a falsehood, which you know to be false

It would be acceptable to find another title, but reinserting a falsehood and breaking the ninth commandment and all, well it could jeopardize your immortal soul.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Removing the false allegation from the title is a much better and appreciated edit. Thanks. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Ross Hannah

My contribution to ross hannah, was to update his statistics for the goal that he scored today, how is that 'not contructive' nob end — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.90.3 (talk) 21:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

You've put him on 10 appearances, he's only made 9 appearances since he signed and scored 1 goal, my statistics were right and you're wrong you clueless bastard, leave it to town fans to edit you havn't got a fucking clue.

Question about deleted page Stochastic cellular automaton

Dear GiantSnowman, I added information to an existing page on 'Stochastic cellular automaton' you deleted in Februaru 2013. May be some content was copyrighted, but what I added was not and now several links are not active anymore. Moreover, it is a real important scientific topic. Do I have to re-create a new page  ? could you reactivate the page without the problem creating context ? Best, PierreYvesLouis (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)PierreYvesLouis.

RE:International Years

Then look at these pages - Anthony Gardner, Chris Kirkland , Phil Neville , Alessandro del Piero , Raul.They have not retired but still there is no dash after the international career.Same for Phil's bro. Debojyoti (talk) 16:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Roy's talk page is on my watchlist so I noticed this discussion. I understand where you are coming from but I actually thought that if a player has not played or been called up for his national team then he should not have a dash. It went with that because it seemed logical. For example, Baljit Sahni played for India in 2011 but since then he has not been even close to a call-up in 2012 or 2013 so I removed the dash on my most recent edit on his page. It just seems logical, does it not? --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Nationality confusion

Hey, I need you to chime in on WT:FOOTY regarding the nationality of both Taylor Graham and Kupono Low. We had a discussion about this a couple years ago and I asking some people who were involved in the discussion in the past to join the discussion that is currently going on right now. But I'm also asking you because of your experience on WP:FOOTY. – Michael (talk) 06:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, GiantSnowman. You have new messages at Mentoz86's talk page.
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Luckhurst

I can see why you removed some of this material, but much of it is uncontentious and I'm not sure why you threw out the baby with the bathwater. --Dweller (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Ping Fu: draft to review

Hi GiantSnowman, working on the draft for Ping Fu's article has taken a while with all the sources to untangle, but I've finally got a draft ready for review. Over at Talk:WikiProject Biography I've left some notes on the draft; it would be great to get your feedback if you're still interested. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on my Talk page, really appreciate you giving this a look. If you have a minute, would you mind also placing that comment over at Talk:WikiProject Biography, so that others can easily see your feedback? Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Jack McBean (footballer)

Hello. You've probably got more to add, but as the article stands at the moment, I was wondering what makes Mr McBean notable? He never played in the Football League for anybody, and there's nothing in the article to show him actually appearing in the Southern League either. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Not convinced, to be honest. Arsenal in the early 1890s played friendlies, did reasonably well in local cups and entered the FA Cup for the first time. I'd agree that Danskin became a significant figure in the early history of Arsenal and has been noted by independent sources, but don't see evidence of McBean being anything more than Danskin's mate who came down with him to look for work and became one of numerous early players for a works team that got famous after he moved on. Perhaps you'll find some independent coverage to get him through GNG... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

New articles is on my watchlist, and I recognised the name as belonging to an existing player (the Scottish boy) so glanced at it to see who the new one was about. Don't have a problem with him being amateur: there are numerous amateurs in the early history of the club I follow. Some of them were notable, as in attracted notice in the media of the time and/or in independent sources since, so gave some indications of passing GNG and having more than a permastub written about them, and many of them didn't appear to be.

The approach I tended to take for pre-league players was that if all I knew about them came from a BCFC-related source and comprised their name and the fact that they played in the FA Cup, I didn't bother with a two-line stublet because it wouldn't add anything to the sum of human knowledge. His name, career dates and apps/goals went in the list of BCFC players and that was enough. In cases where the player had done something of note, e.g. Fred Speller or Arthur James, he got an article (and in the case of Mr James, who was quite a star in his day, he deserves a rather better one than he's got). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

PS: Yes, I know Speller played 17ish times in the Football League, so he's not really a fair comparison, but most of his career precedes the FL, and a good half was before leagues existed at all. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: The World Forum

Okay, I've gone down the Afd route. Had the article been PRODed before though? I couldn't see anything in its history about that (still pretty new to navigating around though, so it may be hiding in plain sight). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromley86 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Rambé

Hi there mate,

tried to improve the article, was reverted in pretty much everything except for the (ref'd) storyline. Don't worry, i won't edit his article again. Speaking of storyline, the DIV2 season in my country has (this year the first as such) a schedule of 42 games, Rambé will not play 21 so that piece you reverted as 100% right, i won't be bothered to reinstate it and i don't want to be a wiki-nuisance. --AL (talk) 00:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Attentively - --AL (talk) 23:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

• I am sorry if my words were not "all that jazz", a bit exaggerated i admit it. But there's one thing we really should alter in the article, NFT.com is not correct thus should "sit" as a link, not a ref. Rambé only made his debut on 9 JANUARY 2013, against Nigeria. If i provide sources will you let me alter the article (i.e. a ref for his debut, relocating NFT.com as a link)?

Regards - --AL (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

• Busted my tail off in order to find a source that confirmed his debut on said date against Nigeria. Found several saying he indeed was summoned for the game, but NONE saying it was his DEBUT. Could be that FORADEJOGO.net is wrong and not NFT.com, so we'll leave it as it is for now. I have contacted one Portuguese website to see if they have any possibility of sending me the "golden" url.

Keep it up - --AL (talk) 22:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Jónas Tór Næs

The letter 'Þ' isn't a part of the Faroese language. Icelandic media refer to him as 'Þór' because that's the Icelandic version of his name. 'Tór' is the Faroese version, because, there is no 'Þ' in the Faroese language. In fact, Faroese has lost the "th" sound Icelandic retains in Ð and Þ, and the English language retains in "th". His name is therefore written with the letter 'T'. I apologize for not explaining my edit, but that warning is a bit demeaning, as it's only there because you don't know the languages you're editing about. finval (talk) 04:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

POB POD

Hi GS. That WP:MOSBIO bold edit "they should not be mentioned within the opening brackets." are you going to object if as per discussion which hasn't shown either consensus or a link to an RfC, I remove it as bold. It's a new rule to prevent editors - not just classical music - duplicating Grove/Oxford style and I think a new rule like that needs discussion before passing it, cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The words you added you signalled as BOLD in the edit summary. They basically make almost every article I have created illegal. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Well if MOS already said it, then surely it can be removed can't it? It certainly strengthens the "sports format" against standard encyclopaedic format. In any case I would like to see some evidence for this, as MOS pages shouldn't be dictating things this major based on WP:LOCALCONSENSUS of a few editors there. This covers 100,000s of non-sport bios. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

If I remove it will allow encyclopedic style in articles, encouraging editors who want to create articles in encyclopedic style to do so, and allowing readers to see at a glance where artists, composers, and historical figures were born and died. Which is the reason print biographical dictionaries do it, and the reason all the other wps do it, and the reason many en.wp articles do it. Standardizing everything at a sport format reduces the utility of bio entries.

So far there's been no evidence of any discussion or consensus at the MOS talk page, but even if there had been LOCALCONSENSUS is too often just that given that MOS pages often have less participation that Projects. And yes, WP:IDONTLIKEIT, historical figures are not living sports people, where they were born and died matters and defines who they were in ages when nations were more fluid than today, but the more important WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not so much the format, but WP:IDONTLIKEIT re imposition of a rule banning contributors from using standard bio-encyclopaedic style without any evidence (so far) of discussion. I might feel better if someone can perhaps find where this earlier edit was introduced and how/where it was discussed? Is it really asking too much? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The recent exchange at WT:MOSBIO (which we both contributed to), had 3 for your addition and 2 against, which is not enough to add text to a MOS page. I don't want to push this but I have asked where this earlier edit was introduced and how/where it was discussed and I believe that that question is reasonable. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's my point. There's no mention of place. No mention of place is not a ban on place. I don't question that the majority of biggish bios have not included POB POD, what I question is where the ban on POB and POD was agreed. When was the ban legislated? I have to go out now, but I'm not seeing the authority here to ban POB and POD should article creators see the need to include them. And randomly looking at articles shows me many other article creators don't see the need for a ban either. Though some do, I was just comparing placement of POB and POD in Ulderico Sergo with the interwikis. I must go out. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

"But there is a rule against places now, so that's what you should abide by." - given that 20-30% of bio articles follow bio dictionary format, and in the absence of evidence of past discussion, in my view if you want to add that text, you should open an RfC. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Gentlemen, this is best discussed at the MOS-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Giant Snowman, as with all things in life, when you seek to direct the way others do their work, make their contributions there are two ways to go about it. You don't need me to spell out what those two ways are. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Wise Man Award

Thanks for the great answers on nationality at BLPN!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 14:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Anton Rodgers

Hi there Giant Snowman, is there any chance that the article Anton Rodgers (footballer) can be reinstated? Only a few hours after the article was deleted, Rodgers made his professional debut for Exeter City during the 4-1 defeat at Rotherham United. Regards, RM-Taylor (talk) 23:26, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Azeem Azam

Hi there, you've just deleted Azeem Azam with a note saying that it's a blatant hoax. Can you clarify please? He's an international football that has just been offered a contract with Budapest Honved.G2003 (talk) 08:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

to add to this please see http://www.foxsportsasia.com/football/news/detail/item828433/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.145.205 (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Re:Formatting

Oh well then I'm really sorry.... By the way, thanks for the tip! Cheers! :) FairyTailRocks 13:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

The lead

Good morning Giant Snowman,
When you wrote, "Do you mean WP:OPENPARA? That is not new, it has been there for as long as I can remember." on 09:15, 8 April 2013 BST — are you referring to the lead (or the lede as some prefer)? — is there a subtle difference?
Sincerely,
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 09:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gareth, please can you clarify what you mean? GiantSnowman 09:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. I should have linked to this.
Cheers!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 09:41, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Is the expression Open para the same as The Lead?
Cheers!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 09:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:11, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Re:Yusuke Muta

Hello Snowman! Thank you for the comment at my talk page. I have read what you said and have taken what you wrote into account for future reference. However, I do have one question about the table. I can find the right format... that is no problem... but about the sourcing, what can I use? Would Soccerway count as a reliable source as that is really the only source I can find that will do stats for Indian footballers and others for each season. Others will just do this season and then erase those stats the next season. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 16:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for that and thank you for answering my question. I do have one final one however just to make sure before I create more article or apply this template to my past articles: Do I to use the "club season" for the season column? I mean for some Indian clubs I was going to go back and create season articles but for many a full record does not exist. That is why I use the league season instead as that will obviously be notable and I honestly do not want any red-links in my articles. Cheers again. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright then. No more questions. Again thank you very much for taking the time to help with this and I will now go and fix a few of my articles. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 16:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Rambé / Tip

hI there Dr.Snowy (gotta treat the admin with the due courtesy!),

without further ado: 1 - no reply whatsoever from the FORADEJOGO.net website regarding the international status of the player, really don't understand their approach, i've helped several times in the past, saw that they correct stuff after my tips but i've NEVER received a word of feedback from them. Not very cool i think, but i'm getting accustomed.

2 - i see that User:Che1563 continues to add unref'd info in players' articles (he focus solely on their skills and akin), as seen in Luciano Galletti, and i bet many many more!

Kind regards to you and yours, happy weekend. And how's that major degree you were taking? Is it complete by now? Hope so. --AL (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks! How bout your major? I can't remember if you'd already told me if you have finished it. Always rooting for ya, you know. --AL (talk) 09:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Let's have one of these then! Bottoms up (but only one - or two...)!! AL (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

A bear of little brain...

That must be me, since I try not to let assumptions (of good faith or otherwise) get in the way of the evaluation of fact, by the available evidence. Or, to put it another way, It's all very well to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Mieszko 8 at ANI

Hello GiantSnowman. Please see this action regarding Mieszko 8, in case you have any comments, or think that the socking needs more follow-up. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Matúš Ružinský

Hi GiantSnowman. Can you undelete please article about the Slovak football goalkeeper Matúš Ružinský. He made his professional debut for MFK Košice against AS Trenčín on 13 April 2013. [11] Thank you, IQual (talk) 07:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

reverted edit

I reverted your edit of Anthonie Cornelis Oudemans‎, because I think places of birth and death are still allowed (WP:OPENPARA calls them locations). If you want to remove all birthplaces in biographical wikipeida articles you have your work cut out :-) Anyway, it was a good thing I looked again at the article after a long time, because some ignoramus had messed up an external link. So I cleaned that up also.--Ereunetes (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

You were quick to revert the revert. If you are so opposed to birthplaces in the lead, why don't you use some of the energy you now waste on slapping labels on articles for placing the information where you think it should be? Do you like making work for other people?--Ereunetes (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Additions to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Makengo

Since you've already !voted on this afd, I wanted let you that I've added two more articles. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Strongvibration

do you have an article so urgent that i can help out, Strongvibration (talk) 14:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ryan Hodgskin

The article Ryan Hodgskin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Technical 13 (talk) 23:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Sad x 2

Came across this by accident (was editing José Alberto Costa's page, clicked on the article's talk "god knows why", check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jos%C3%A9_Alberto_Costa),

this is proof enough that: 1 - User:Alexanderalgrim understands the process of writing/reading messages; 2 - he understands the English language. So, he has NEVER talked to anyone in FOUR YEARS (not 100% sure but i think it's that amount of time) regarding his BLP violations (no notability) because he does not care, period. Thus, the title of my message.

Kind regards from Portugal - --AL (talk) 14:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

• Totally true my friend, but sad nonetheless, we both have seen for sure tons of examples of users with much less skills in English trying to communicate and interact. Sad i tell ya! --AL (talk) 15:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

HammerkatzNYU deletion

Hello - I was just looking for an explanation as to why the wiki page for HammerkatzNYU was deleted. HammerkatzNYU is a currently active group that relies on pages like wikipedia to help spread information about the group.

Thank you for your help. I look forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp2212 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, the inner workings of Wikipedia are sort of foreign to me. The page was not used for promotion - we have a website (hammerkatznyu.com) that we use for that. The wiki page was simply used as an informational page for one of the top college sketch groups in the country. Is there any way we could get it back up? thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp2212 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

My ban appeal

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=551050869&oldid=551050508#Please_remove_my_ban. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 23:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Ralph Coates

Hi, Snowman.

Not sure what online proof I can find, but to what purpose would I invent a complimentary story about Ralph? On a personal level I can say I was employed by the day centre and know it's true.

Relating to your threats as of April 2013

Whoa Whoa! Relax before people around here start questioning your alleged administrator's privileges. The way you are tossing off policy threats is likened to abusing them, and not to say utterly offensive. If you aspire holding your office for very long you certainly need to obey the basics of diplomacy. As I in vain tried to explain to you in the edit summary Bosnians (which constitute no ethnicity as per se) belong to either of three ethnicities (called constituent nations in the legislation of Bosnia-Herzegovina): Bosniaks (Muslim) (48%), Bosnian Serbs (Orthodox) (37.1%), and Bosnian Croats (Catholic) (14.3%). Apart from a very small number of Albanians, Jews and Roma people, the population of Bosnia and Herzegovina is to 99.4% comprised of its "constituent nations". This can be verified under the entry for Bosnia and Herzegovina on the CIA World Factbook page: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bk.html. Adnan Zahirović is Bosniak, because you will not find Croats or Serbs giving their children Muslim names (Adnan (name)) nor will you find Serbs or Croats with surnames who make reference to Islam (Zahir (Islam)), ović in this case is a Slavic patronymic found in all ethnic groups. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ - Talk 11:48, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Obviously you have no knowledge whatsoever of the communities of former Yugoslavia or Bosnia-Herzegovina, but I will have you know that family names are amongst the strongest ethnicity markers to be found there. Allow me to ask you whether David Beckham is ethnically English? You'd probably answer yes based on default assumptions about his surname and heritage. Should I then ask you for a source which explicitly proves that the Beckhams have inhabited England for no less than 13 generations or that they were/are devout Anglicans? I'm afraid it is your objections that are nothing short of ridiculous. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ - Talk 12:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you offer me a source for the other 3/4? :) Remember, sanctions can be requested against admins as well. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ - Talk 12:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm certainly not keen on entering a conflict with you and the truth be told I couldn't care less about the status of the article in question. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ - Talk 12:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Lebanese football

Spotted Abbas Shit in unsourced BLP, I was considering a redirect until I saw Shabab Al-Sahel was as empty. Can you add something like current team roster or something? I added a list of players I found in what links here.

Are you really only 24? I thought you were older than me, a lot older, and probably 50-60 odd.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Isn't the top division of football in each country notable, Lebanese Premier League. Or is it non professional? Sorry, football guidelines confuse me, seems strange that we have articles on fifth division UK players but a top league Lebanese club or footballer isn't notable!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd have thought a premier league Lebanese football club would be considered notable at least? Seems to be notable♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Club is notable but biographies for the players are hampered by the fact that most sources would be in Arabic and have nothing online but databases containing no information.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Is the Lebanese Premier League not professional? That page seems a little dated I click on some of the sources and they were dead links. I must say I'd be rather surprised if a top league of football in the middle east wasn't professional, I mean, it's very popular over there with a lot of money in the game. In Turkey it most certainly is. But I guess some of the Arabic countries it is under funded, like Lebanon isn't going to have the level of funding from the Sheikhs that Saudi and UAE have.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:27, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Vanishing timestamps

Hi GS. You may be interested to know that Andysteve (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is again removing timestamps from various football players' pages. I have left a short note on his talkpage but saw you'd been there before for the same reason. Thanks, C679 12:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, found evidence of a slow edit war about this at Matt Fish (footballer) - see history. Quite inappropriate in my opinion. C679 18:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Removing PROD on Sanad Rashed

Howdy! You removed my PROD on Sanad Rashed, which I don't have a problem with. My question is to clarify your comment. your comment was "previously at AFD - please take back & open a new nomination." Were you aware that the previous AFD resulted in Deleting the article, and from what I can tell the new author had re-created the same article? I'm just trying to figure out what is the best way to move forward when I encounter situations like this. I will be taking it to AFD since the article hasn't improved and I can't find any sources.Coffeepusher (talk) 14:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Chris Bascombe

An IP seems is repeatedly removing the News of the World controversy from the article. Could you lock it? Cheers, Number 57 11:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Living hell

Hi there SNOWY (same message goes to User:Struway2),

i'll try to defend what has no defense whatsoever, my edit summaries: i am an unmedicated bipolar individual, with almost zero social life. I have told you and others i would stop feeding the trolls over and over again, about time i stop being a hypocrite, i CAN'T, have zero tolerance for vandalism (for the record, don't know where Struway got that "info" that's implied in his message, i have NEVER insulted a non-vandal). My references to others language skills? What i mean in my summaries is (for example) i have no skills in Finnish or Hungarian, so i would not be caught dead editing in those WPs. But you are correct, there are better ways to refer to that in a summary (i.e. "Corrected wording" or "Corrected language").

The situation you both point out today, Nélson Oliveira: the article was vandalized over and over again by User:Zizozidan, who "claimed" player was Egyptian - i am Portuguese, so know that's 300% lie/vandalism. After one year with all quiet in the article's front, he returned as anon ("gaining momentum", i checked edit history and found out several anon IP addresses, all starting with 41 and "contributing" in the same fashion); upon discovering it i lost it, yes i know it's against WP guidelines, well aware of that, i don't do it to LOOK COOL and GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, i do it because I CAN'T HELP IT.

I have been blocked once for disruptive edit summaries (well deserved indeed), did not protest, if it happens again i won't either. Kind regards to you both --AL (talk) 14:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments left at RfA

Thank you for leaving comments at my RfA. This is just a friendly notice that I have replied to them. Regardless of your vote, and your decision to continue this conversation or not, I appreciate you taking your time to vote in the the first place. Cheers, --<sub>Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here</sub> 15:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

BlackMask

Re your prod removal from BlackMask. The previous AFD was for a group of "web vandals" not for this individual. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:37, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

BDD

Did you also confuse User:BDD with User:Bbb23 like I did? I was initially going to say the same thing until I realized it wasn't and then had to look through everything. Mkdw<sup>talk</sup> 09:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Ancient history/PROD expiration

in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_109, looking for another thing, I noticed a thread concerning my Null Bot, if you check its tasks, it's only ever been authorized to work on the BLPPROD-related categories, which I had worked on extensively, not the seemingly similar PROD categories. I don't think I had even realized there was a similar problem for generic PRODs, the templates and maint. categories are handled quite differently for the two. In any rate, JNB doesn't fix PRODs because it was never asked to. Maybe we need to fix that.  :) --j⚛e decker<sup>talk</sup> 18:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012–13 SC Paderborn 07 season

I'm actually quite insulted that you would accuse me of such a thing. The comments themselves were not changed at all and remained exactly how the author of those comments wrote them. Kingjeff (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

What is your dewfinition of "re-factor"? Kingjeff (talk) 19:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

But the stuff I put out of order is not part of the discussion. It's only an administrative thing that was done. Kingjeff (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Your comment is a gross exageration and a complete insult. Kingjeff (talk) 20:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

It's very administrative. I don't see how it remotely has anything to do with the actual discussion itself. All it states is where the link to the discussion is placed. There is no question, comment or vote and putting those paticular ones in order makes the discussion look messy and disorganized. Kingjeff (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

It serves a purpose being there. The issue is where. I disagree with the location. Kingjeff (talk) 17:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it is common sense to split the actual discussion from a little note with a smaller font size. Kingjeff (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Your way being done in all AfD doesn't mean if it's correct or incorrect. Kingjeff (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

All I'm going to say is let's just agree to disagree. You won't be able to change my mind and I won't be able to change yours. Kingjeff (talk) 18:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea where that last comment It's been almost a whole 24 hours since I tried to "re-factor." Kingjeff (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I just didn't think you needed to make any threat. Kingjeff (talk) 18:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Would you like to take on one of the articles? Kingjeff (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Lists of international goals

Hey, GS, I'm glad to see that you deleted this overdone trivia from the Abby Wambach article. I had been trying to figure out how to get rid of it for months, especially in light of the recent AfD. Can you link to the WP:FOOTY consensus discussion? I would like to have that at my fingertips next time this issue arises. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Would it be reasonable to assume

that this anon is another one of these? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

And a cynic might suspect a connection with an account created soon after you blocked that IP, whose only edits have been adding images with rather unconvincing licensing "information", uploaded earlier today by a Commons user with a familiar name and a history of copyvio... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Kudos, to both of you. He will continue, that's a given. User:Antony1821 and the good ole' User:Pararubbas come to mind immediately, the two combined near 100 accounts if i'm not mistaken. --AL (talk) 23:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

2. Fußball-Bundesliga

An editor has decided to move the title of 2. Fußball-Bundesliga to Bundesliga2, without any discussion or consensus, and without even changing any of the links in the templates or the intro of the article. Looks like an editor that wants to make a POINT. Could you please keep your administrator eyes on the article? Just in case. Thanks, Calistemon (talk) 22:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Kindly assume good faith. The article title clearly isn't English, and I moved it without realising it would be controversial. Silly me. The rules permit non-admins from moving articles, so I see nothing out of process. I guess we're now in the discussion phase of WP:BRD. -- Ohconfucius <sup>ping / poke</sup> 16:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

test

yep ... the banner is gone now. I had a tp this morning, no banner. — Ched :  ?  12:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Situation (?)

Hi there o'Giant one,

could you please weigh in on this? I had this "wiki-beef" with User:Ohconfucius one year or so ago, he continuously "glued" the links association football and the correspondent position, when they are two SEPARATE things (profession of the person, their position at the given "entreprise"). Now i have found it again, from another user (kind enough to message me i'll say), at Manuel Preciado Rebolledo. Tony also changed the years in infobox (i.e. 1977-1980 to 1977-80; the former is how it's usually done isn't it?).

About the second approach of overlinking...i officially give up! We have an article called SPAIN, but it can't be mentioned in other articles, we have another article called HEART ATTACK (better said, MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION), we can't either, we have a piece called CANTABRIA, it's a no-no as well. Go figure he who can, i can't man...

Regards - --AL (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• My ears were burning...

  FYI, the 'gluing' referred to is here, and the intention was to reduce the extent of overlinking. The original formulation was to have three adjacent/consecutive ("chained") links, from [[Spain|Spanish]] [[Association football|football]] [[Defender (association football)|defender]], which I changed to Spanish [[Defender (association football)|football defender]]. WP:Linking discourages multiple consecutive links, and I chose that particular configuration as I feel that it allowed the retention of the most important link. Admittedly, the 'beef AL had with me was a different configuration. I seem to recall it was the merging of something like [[Spain|Spanish]] [[Association football|football]] to [[football in Spain|Spanish football]], and I see the problem with that, which is quite different. And I no longer practice that. AL doesn't appear to see the difference and didn't even bother to come to my talk. -- Ohconfucius <sup>ping / poke</sup> 16:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• Have already dropped a line in Confucius' page. --AL (talk) 17:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Holywell

Hi GS, I reverted on the point of 'baby and bathwater'. Yes there are no criteria, but there is a header for that, and yes there are no references, but there is a header for that. If we deleted everything that had no references then Wikipedia would never have got off the ground. The people mentioned do have article links, as personally I remove such people from lists if they have no article and there is no reference to them. Having looked round though, I do see there appears to be a trend to not include notable residents in many articles, though I have seen some nice GA articles of locations in which residents of note have added some nice flavour. I will not re-revert if it offends you that much, but I feel that if tagged it may inspire someone to do something about it, in the same way that red links often get people to make an article. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes indeed, ...motorbike crashes. I too am a 2006 inductee, and yes we tag (my personal bugbear is 'this article needs references') and nothing happens. But my personal ethos is that Wikipedia is still an infant, and I believe it will be here for the long game, but maybe I'm just naive. Big fan of your work by the way. Yours FruitMonkey (talk) 21:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:BattleBackToEarth.jpg)

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Prod of Kapusta

I'd appreciate if you restored it. If you look at the content, the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kapusta appears to be a snowball delete of something that was most likely unrelated to this article (also, no AFD template is present at talk). So we either deal with an article that was deleted, then totally rewritten and recreated, or with an article about something new and unrelated to the topic of whatever it was that was deleted, which was never before deleted. Now, if I had admin tools I could verify which was the case myself, as it is, I'll have to ask you to check which of the cases we are dealing here. In both cases, I believe that prod seems acceptable, as the article we see here was never either prodded or AfD'ed before. -<sub>Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here</sub> 11:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

{{unreferenced}}

Hi GiantSnowman, perhaps my reading of {{unreferenced}} is more generous than yours, but statements in its documentation like "This template should only be used on articles that have no sources at all" and "The format of the citation and the name of the section heading are not what determines whether a link or citation is a source" make me think it shouldn't apply to Yemen national football team. Its FIFA page, for example, supports facts such as the team's kit colors and controlling association. {{unreferenced}} and {{no footnotes}} also seem mutually exclusive. I wouldn't claim the article has good references, but it seems incorrect to say it doesn't have any at all. --BDD (talk) 15:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Eddy Donaghy

Hi I would appreciate it if you reinstate the information that i and my father Joseph Donaghy added to Eddy Donaghy's page. The information comes directly from our family knowledge about Eddy, and i can assure you that all the changes we made to his page are accurate. Aarondonaghy123 (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Aaron DonaghyAarondonaghy123 (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Joel Rosario

Regarding your edit wherein you reverted another editor commenting not to insert unreferenced material.[12] In fact, you wiped out info that had been there a long time and some important material with clear and proper references. I don't want to mess with your work so would you mind sorting it out. Thanks Trevor Darkman (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, am I misreading how these edit pages work? Here are the items I was referring to:

• In 2009, Joel Rosario was the leading jockey at Hollywood Park Racetrack for the spring/summer meet, and then earned his second riding title of the year at Del Mar Racetrack. On November 7 he won the most important race of his career at Santa Anita Park when he captured the US$2 million Breeders' Cup Sprint aboard Dancing in Silks. [13]

• On December 11, 2009, Joel Rosario equaled a Hollywood Park Racetrack record when he won six races on a single race card. Previously, the feat had been achieved by Hall of Fame jockeys Bill Shoemaker (1953, 1970), Laffit Pincay, Jr. (1968), and Kent Desormeaux (1992). [14]

• I thought that removal on living people was to prevent libel. Are you saying the "Living people" issue means on any such page I come across I should immedsiately delete anything not referenced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevor Darkman (talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your help and clarifications. Maybe they should get together and clarify that "Living person" thing. I just looked at a few pages from the Category list and if I deleted the unreferenced non-libelous stuff, it appears there might not be much article left for many of them. Trevor Darkman (talk) 19:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Joel Rosario Edit

I apologize. I was watching TV Coverage so I knew what I posted was true — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.100.183 (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Nahki Wells

Hello. A propos of Bradford's impressive victory earlier today, I happened to look at Nahki Wells' page, and was wondering where in the article I might find the source for his career stats before he played in England. Neither source cited above the stats table mentions clubs before Carlisle. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, I won't give you any credit for Bradford's successes if you don't blame me for the inadequacies of my lot both on and off the field ;-)

I see from the RSSSF page that Mr Wells scored 20 goals, but not that he played 18 games. And if it were me, I'd use USL, which has the benefit of being RS, rather than NFT. I think the main point, though, is that there's no indication anywhere near that stats table of where the figures come from. Might be worth considering using the table equivalent of inline refs, as seems pretty standard procedure at recent successful GA's e.g. Jon Challinor, Lee Hughes, John Nutter (none of them mine, by the way). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

note:

Please see this request and that I've restored the article and moved it to his sandbox at: User:Penbat/management by fear. I noticed you were the deleting admin. of that prod, so I thought it'd be nice to let you know - plus it gives me a chance to say hi. "Hi" :). If you have any reservations or questions, please feel free to ping me and we'll try to resolve any outstanding things. Cheers and best, — Ched :  ?  01:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of 2013 Cleveland, Ohio, missing trio for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2013 Cleveland, Ohio, missing trio is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Cleveland, Ohio, missing trio until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:A.R. Kane

Template:A.R. Kane has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • <sup>(What did I screw up now?)</sup> 10:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Youth of Pak1

Hello, You recently took down my article on "Syed Rehan Ahmed", Previously it was an issue of reference and citations which I provided and added later on. Could you tell me how that article can be reinstated..? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youthofpak1 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

A violation of wiki rules

Apparantley I have made a mistake called WP:OUTING in regards to sockpuppet user 86.40.192.203 whom had begun a discussion on the admin board against me with false charges. this sockpuppet had done this previously saying he was not a sock - yet again he oppened a second admin section against me with a new sock saying that he was someone different yet he was clearly the same guy (lying and saying he was a new editor)

i say in no uncertain terms that i had never heard of WP:OUTING and am sorry if i have violated this policy - but i should also say that all the information i posted i got from his own prior vandalism - essentially he outed himself - he vandalized a page to give his name and date of birth - which got reverted by another editor because it had nothing to do with the article he was vandalizing - his location i got from the wiki's own traceroute function that i thought we were allowed to use to prove sockpuppetrty--68.231.15.56 (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

in one of his sockpuppet attacks here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User talk:68.231.15.56 he states that "This person has only recently been reported." this sentence implies that SOMEONEELSE reported me and yet the IP of the previous reporter is 86.40.107.69 which traces to the same location in Ireland - this is by definition sockpuppetry or the use of various IP's to do malicious intent without acknowledement of ownership--68.231.15.56 (talk) 10:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

myself i have used this same IP for over 5,000 edits whereas i can see a pattern of daily vandalism and sockpuppetry of the 86.40 IP as far back as 2008 (man thats a lot of vandalism) endlessly ANON changing his IP to avoid block which i am betting he is already long ago blocked administratively--68.231.15.56 (talk) 10:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Admin request

No, not at all. I moved the request to the talk page of the administrator who added the protection back in 2011, so I hope he will get round to it sooner or later. Thanks, C679 13:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Eric Cantona

His Holiness Eriq Cantoniqi

Did you know that Eric Cantona is really an ancient God of Easter Island?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Now if we could get the statue to start launching kung fu kicks!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Sekhon

Hey Snowy, I'm in the process of updating the Scottish new articles list when I spotted you created Aaron Sekhon now I know that an IP contacted you claiming that he had never played & that the press association got in wrong but the IP never followed it up with evidence. Well here are the three match reports from PTFC corresponding with the date where he supposedly played [15], [16] & [17] as you can see on all three occasions it was in fact Aaron Sinclair. I contacted Soccerway about this a few months back hence they have his stats as zero see here & I also got them to correct Aaron Sinclair's. Given the article doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG you want to consider userfying it. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:39, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Polarman (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2013 (UTC) Aaron Sekhon didn't take part in any of those matches. Soccerway.com are only using official papers received from the Scottish FA as source. Looks like they have changed the name to Aaron Sinclair.

revdel

Re [18] -- obviously you did nothing wrong -- like I said there it's really confusing to see the history all gray and lined out. While you may be able to read a diff of a revdel'd edit I'm unaware of anyway to get the necessary oldid to provide one. NE Ent 01:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Azeem Azam

Hi

Can i ask why this page has been deleted? Azam is A pro-football who has had previous clubs. he was a victim of online harassment to the point where his match stats where asked to be removed from the trnsfermarket.com by people who where claiming to be Azam's representatives. This is a well documented case. This is why i did not add the match stats until they become available. I created a brief page outlining Azam's club associations. i kept match stats off.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poweplay (talk • contribs) 11:27, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Now also at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#Creating articles about soccer players - you may wish to comment there as well. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Since it is a hoax, I suggest telling people at Fox Sports Asia that he doesn't exist[19]. LionMans Account (talk) 13:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Vito Dimitrijević

Dimitrijević played his last two seasons for NK Svoboda Ljubljana, it's certainly correct. I have at home sticker albums for Yugoslav Second League and he is listed there for seasons 80/81 and 81/82. My family comes from that part of Ljubljana and they watched him. I also have player statistics for those two seasons. There are no sources about it on the interernet so I don't know how to prove it.13:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Report

Hello, I would like to report User:Arbero. This editor has continuously edited league tables before the matches have finished. I have just been on his talk page and It's not the first time he has been warned. Skyblueshaun 15:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes I have asked this person to stop editing before matches have finished. User:Stigni has also contacted him about it. He didn't listen. Here is the User:Stigni and User:Arbero [20] Skyblueshaun 15:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank You, Let's hope so. What shall I do if I find him ignoring the messages and carries on with these edits? Skyblueshaun 15:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Merge request

Hi GS, when you're back from holiday could you do a history merge on Martin Slavik (created 2007) and Martin Slavík (created 2009). If that's not necessary then the one without diacritics could be redirected onto the "newer" article. Don't know why I didn't spot this earlier, but there you go. Thanks, C679 21:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Cantoniki

File:Cantona Statue.jpg

Hehe, an updated version!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

F.C. Südtirol

Please help me clean up the mess you made. I believe you did it in good faith and didn't read the article. The name of the club is simply "F.C. Südtirol" - read the articles content for proof. Thanks--Sajoch (talk) 13:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's the request: Talk:F.C. Südtirol-Alto Adige. I hope, I did it right.--Sajoch (talk) 18:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

HONOURS

Hi there SNOWDOCTOR, how's it going?

the title says it (almost) all, in this section we should only include the titles won by managers and players right? No assistant coaches, no youth/goalkeeper coaches, nothing, just the first two am i not correct?

I removed said additions in Tito Vilanova, it has been added again, now by User:Suitcivil133, can't remember who did it previously. This chap has an history of: 1 - no summaries; 2 - removing talkpage messages; 3 - engaging in that endless edit war regarding FC Barcelona and Real Madrid, so i'm not going to make a fool of myself by trying to reach out to him.

My request to you my man is the following: if i am in the correct as i think i am, could you message this user about his wrongdoings? I'll remove the honours myself, of course only AFTER you answer me, not BEFORE.

Kind regards - --AL (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Maybe it's me, but i'm afraid i'm still at a loss. Sources or no sources, what do we do with ASSISTANT MANAGER honours, do we include them or not? --AL (talk) 19:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Azam again

You may be interested to know - I contacted Nottingham Forest about him, and the answer I got was "Unfortunately neither the coach who has worked with those age groups for the period you stated [the years he claimed to have been in the Forest youth academy] or myself who has worked at the club for 25 years remember this player." Number 57 17:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you see the rest of the conversation on the editor's talk page? I wonder if these stats will magically appear on Tranfermarkt... Number 57 18:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd be happy for it to be deleted again. I've also e-mailed Real Bétis, so we'll see if I get a response from them. Number 57 19:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Delete where it is? I know it's in userspace, but I don't like the idea of having a hoax article floating around anywhere. Number 57 19:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Good point! Number 57 19:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Team spirit...NOT!

User:Mattythewhite reverted this guy (please see his talkpage here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.139.162.54) in Pepe (footballer born 1983)), he was re-reverted, but "cooly". I did the same, was not so fortunate, was immediately insulted. My summary when i reverted was maybe too assertive, but not belligerant.

Maybe you could mediate by dropping a message to this guy and, while you're at it, see if my reasons in his talk are correct (last time i checked, nationality for naturalized players is to be left blank in intro, or we should stick to the country the given player now represents, Pepe's case being Portugal no?).

Thank you very much in advance - --AL (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Kolins / User:MonFrontieres

More proof both are one and the same: the latter started editing IMMEDIATELY after the former was blocked, on 11 December 2012.

Got this one that will uncover the holder of the new account pronto, in Sérgio Marakis, as he removes (!) the PORTUGUESE FOOTBALLERS category like he used to do in several other articles (man says he's South African only, period! See here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S%C3%A9rgio_Marakis&diff=554356159&oldid=552783636). I was only hoping to bring small diffs when i started this message to you, but this one is serious serious stuff, i remember we confronted him in the past, not only did he not reply but he continues with said behaviour, the removal of one nationality the footballer has, when both categories should remain!

Small diffs? Watch as Frontieres, as Kolins before him (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javier_Balboa&diff=prev&oldid=429021926), do not add the title of a reference to save his life (Frontieres doing it here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yago_Alonso-Fueyo_Sako&diff=537122033&oldid=534250984). Also in Javier Balboa, watch as Kolins (as Frontieres) writes no summary and removes important info (even if he is right to correct Balboa's international goals, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javier_Balboa&diff=526241700&oldid=525184390).

Hate to be a wiki-snitch, but this is not acceptable i believe. --AL (talk) 13:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Boy was that fast (the reply, for such a big message). What do i insert in the blank field next to "Click to open investigation" please? It does not seem to work for me. --AL (talk) 13:34, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Done, but the display is shabby as always :( Could you have a look please? Also, what shall i say to Mr.Frontieres seeing that it is mandatory the "accused" be briefed? What choice of words to you recommend? --AL (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Left a PS note in MonFrontieres' page. If you want to "reinforce" it with a line or two, i'd appreciate it highly. If not, let's wait for the investigation (comments by admins/other users/"the man" himself). --AL (talk) 14:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Mr.Frontieres has replied in his talkpage, going off about the Sérgio Marakis article, but he DID NOT defend himself in the investigation. Again i repeat, if you could reinforce my two cents there it would be nice. --AL (talk) 23:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Matías Fernández

Boy i don't stop bothering you :(

In all fairness, what can be made to stem this tide? What tide you ask? Stats in box are altered almost every WEEK, either plain 'ole vandalism or people who add all stats therein (see example here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mat%C3%ADas_Fern%C3%A1ndez&diff=548062505&oldid=547891184).

I was thinking of a solution other than "revert, ignore" because, checking the article's edit history, i am THE ONLY ONE taking care of this, a bit tiring no? --AL (talk) 15:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• A wide variety of anon IPs for sure, if it's the same or several individuals i just can't tell as of now. --AL (talk) 17:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Patrik Le Giang

Please undelete please article about Slovak football goalkeeper Patrik Le Giang, who currently plays for MŠK Žilina. He made his debut for MŠK Žilina against FC ViOn Zlaté Moravce on 15 May 2013 [21]. Thanks--IQual (talk) 17:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Danny Wright

I see no reason for deletion? I have reliably sourced all information and it is correct. The page before contained just one paragraph and I edited it so it is much more healthy..please advise? Bscott 996 (talk) 22:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

soccerdatabase/playerhistory

The bot operator has replied to the ANI post, stating that the bot can rollback itself, but we should agree on the way forward before he starts on the task. I've replied to his post on what I think would be the best thing to do, and I hope you will comment on it aswell. Mentoz86 (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Alberto Rivas

A small tip/favour,

don't know where User:Royroydeb got his info, but this player is 200% non-notable (it also seems his ONLY sources are Transfermarkt and Soccerway, nothing else for ALL articles), he has only played in Segunda División B so far (check his BDFUTBOL.com link here http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/j/j100296.html apparently, it seems Soccerway has him playing one for Deportivo de La Coruña but he HAS NOT). As you'd expect, i have already forgotten how it's done (AfD an article that is).

Cheers mate, have a great weekend - --AL (talk) 22:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks! Here's further help, THREE (not one, not two, three!) links showing who played goalkeeper for Deportivo that match, none other than Daniel Aranzubia (here http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/p/p.php?id=25550, here http://www.fussballdaten.de/spanien/2009/36/lacoruna-getafe/ and here http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/2009/05/17/pagina-16/4531141/pdf.html). Rivas did not even appear as a SUB. Take care --AL (talk) 12:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• Also, take a look at this request i have received (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Always_Learning#List_of_2009.E2.80.9310_Portuguese_Liga_transfers). If it's legal what i'm asked of, can you please delete it? "Double" thanks :) --AL (talk) 17:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Bradford City

Hi there - well done to Bradford City on winning the play-offs. But does coming 7th and winning the play-offs constitute an "honour" for club and player articles? Incidentally, I see that some player articles (e.g. Jon McLaughlin, Nahki Wells) suggest that Bradford won the title! -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Hugman

Hello. Not sure how else you'd describe going alphabetically through footballer pages adding a link to one's own publication to the references section, especially given why he was doing it... Don't think it'd be a constructive move to start adding a link to one particular out-of-print book as Further reading on the page of every footballer having played in England in the relevant time period.

Hope you enjoyed yourself yesterday. Must've been pretty boring, though, 3–0 up after half an hour. Playoffs like this one have far more emotional content ;-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

If we were citing our own material as a reliable source for verification of specific content in the article in question, WP:SELFCITE would advise us to be very careful. If you or I were mass-adding links to our own website, whether it was a reliable source or not, we'd be stamped on by the spam police. There are many reliable source for footballer statistics: most of us don't keep adding extra ones to the external links section of an article, nor do we add them all to a further reading section, just because someone might want to read the numbers written down by a different author. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Troy Caesar

You said on my talk page that transfermarkt was not a reliable source, and yet it is being used in articles such as List of Manchester City F.C. records and statistics, 2012–13 FC Schalke 04 season, and more. Is there a reason for this? Matty.007 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

NFT.com "leftovers"?

Hi there mate, AL "here",

really at a loss in Nii Plange's article, which i now improved to the best of my abilities. The NATIONAL-FOOTBALL-TEAMS.com link takes to a different player when i click it, but guess this, the number is correct (46918)! Furthermore, i type the code in the site after it fails initially, and the site again leads me to Plange!

What do you think can be the glitch? Thanks and advance and happy week - --AL (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Primera División de Fútbol Profesional – Clausura 2013

Hi, you can see I made some recent edits to this page, but in trying to mark a reference within 'fb cl footer' as a dead link (el grafico) I have messed something up. I'm not sure why these direct references are often added this way within a template for a league table, as it is easier to see them as normal cites. Anyway, are you able to solve what I was trying to do? Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 21:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Someone else has fixed this now. Cheers. Eldumpo (talk) 08:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Kashif Siddiqi

I'd class it as constructive, on the basis that his signing was never announced by the club and it only came to light a few weeks ago that he was actually registered with us, via a fan forum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.12.114.212 (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Nahki Wells overlinking

Hello, I've re-added one of the links (in the main section) as otherwise there is no link to Bermuda (the country) in the article. I don't think linking to his country of origin once is overlinking. Thanks. Kafuffle (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

HII

user grumpy is wasting administrators time and my time, with trivial personal grudge on me (about categories), I am not even editing those articles now, he can interpret any thing, he can interpret a devil, it will become true??? time waste Murrallli (talk) 15:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Korean Cold War

So where is the AfD tag on the page? Mztourist (talk) 10:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

We have a problem here, why do you insist on removing the PROD? Mztourist (talk) 10:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The article was previously discussed at AFD and it was agreed that it should be replaced by a redirect. 2 years later one user unilaterally decided to restore it, which is why I followed what I believed was the correct procedure for proposing that it be deleted or redirected again - quite why this needs to be done is unclear if one user can simply revert a previous consensus. If the procedure is not PROD then please be constructive and advise what the proper procedure is.Mztourist (talk) 10:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for nothing Mztourist (talk) 10:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to take a short survey about communication and efficiency of WikiProjects for my research

Hi GiantSnowman, I'm working on a project to study the running of WikiProject and possible performance measures for it. I learn from WikiProject Football talk page that you are an active member of the project. I would like to invite you to take a short survey for my study. If you are available to take our survey, could you please reply an email to me? I'm new to Wikipedia, I can't send too many emails to other editors due to anti-spam measure. Thank you very much for your time. Xiangju (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi GiantSnowman, it should be WikiProject Football not WikiProject Chemicals. Sorry, I made a mistake, and correct it back now. Xiangju (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello GiantSnowman, in case you are willing and available to take our survey. I send you an email about the purpose of the survey and the survey questions. Best regards. Xiangju (talk) 13:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Lee Novak

Hello GS, could you please have a look at Lee Novak as I want to avoid an edit war with Lukeno94. Novak has signed for Birmingham City and there are reliable sources to back this up. I know free agents are not officially released from their old contract until 30 June, but a club may announce a new signing for the 2013/14 season beforehand and I have been updating articles based on this, with references, etc, as have other editors such as Mattythewhite.. see Craig Clay for example. Could you please advise what to do because I believe I am in the right to change Lee Novak and your input is appreciated :) JMHamo (talk) 11:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Lee Novak's talk page updated... JMHamo (talk) 11:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help JMHamo (talk) 11:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Devine

The catergory is for "This category includes players who were born in what is now the Republic of Ireland or who have played for the Republic of Ireland national football team at senior level, junior level or both ", he hasnt played yet at any level for Ireland, that would be my reasoning for removing it bud. Murry1975 (talk) 15:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Needs WP:FOOTY chat before that change, it runs against WP:CRYSTAL bud. Murry1975 (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Cheers for that hopping around a bit for now- cooking dinner, will get onto it when I get a minute. Murry1975 (talk) 16:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Just put forward my thaughts on there bud. Murry1975 (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Oops

Looks like I've given you quite a few things to clean up there. What's happened is that I've based my edits on other articles, and obviously picked the wrong one(s) to base them off! Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

• I would note this revision that I've made to your edit [22] - the way you'd written it prior to that made it look like he was born in 2008 (or was at the very least ambiguous!) - so guess I'm not the only one who should be careful! :P But seriously, thanks though. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
• That and the new locations of the places of birth look awfully weird at times! Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Vítor Pereira (football manager) - Question and two cents

Without further ado,

1 - i have added some storyline in this guy's article, duly referenced of course (please see last paragraph of CAREER). Do you deem it encyclopedical? I DO since it does not choose sides and it's sourced, but if you don't of course i (or you, be my guest)'ll remove it.

2 - i don't know why on earth i still have not quit WP, Pereira's article is just another shining example of how this place is crawling with pathetic losers who don't know how to hop off and let us do our work in peace. Why do i say that? This article had very few edits (even by Portuguese editors) until last month, now the rumour's out he'll coach Everton, vandalism galore! Not saying only English are vandals, of course, but English WP will be edited mostly by English people, that's a given.

Why don't i go write a poetry book or find a job and leave this? You can ask me the same, can't provide an answer, but i can send you my kindest regards as always. --AL (talk) 15:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Ah, and if you as an admin don't remove that bit deeming it controversial/non-encyclopedic, don't worry, the F.C. Porto "fans" will ("Our manager would NEVER say something like that" - even though the ref shows him doing just that!)

• Thanks. Per you tagging of the article (and given i added just that, sources), where is it lacking in citations/sources/refs? --AL (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

And (follow-up question) what about your infobox changes? I thought ALL formats were allowed as long as it was coherent (for example YEARS1 | CLUBS1 | CAPS1 | GOALS1, YEARS2 | CLUBS2 | CAPS2 | GOALS2; or YEARS1 | YEARS2 | YEARS3, CLUBS1 | CLUB2 | CLUBS3, CAPS1 | CAPS2 | CAPS3, GOALS1 | GOALS2 | GOALS3). Cheers. --AL (talk) 18:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

• Took the liberty of removing the tags after "sprinkling" article with refs, please do re-insert them if you think sources are still insufficient. --AL (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure enough, vandalism aplenty continues. According to last "user", Pereira (next Everton manager as he writes) is "Currently sitting in the lower gwladys with a scouse pie, vitor can bench press Brendan Rodgers, he has left F.C Porto earlier this morning to become Evertons new manager, he said kopites are gobshites". What a sore pathetic loser, and people say football is a party that unites people?! This "person" (to call him that) is clearly a die-hard Everton fan, who hates Liverpool with all his guts (not saying Liverpool "fans" are any better, exactly the same, as Porto, Benfica, Real Madrid and Barcelona ones, making a WAR out of a sport)!

So, page protection when in your opinion? --AL (talk) 22:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Ismaël Ouedraogo

Thanks for your cleanup of Ismaël Ouedraogo, one thing I notice though is there's now no link to his native country anywhere on the page, and you used the "height" template in the height field, although at Template:Infobox football biography, the "convert" template is used, which is what I usually use to express footballers' heights. Seems a little odd to be listed at 6 ft 2 1⁄2 in to me, but maybe it's just me. C679 16:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Sri Srinivasan

The source for Srinivasan's full name is from the biographical directory of Federal Judges, which link I have already placed on the page. Generally, I don't tend to include inline FJC links, but I will go ahead and do so in this instance, I will restore the info with an inline link. Safiel (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Citations

Hi GiantSnowman,

How can I readd the citation if the page is momentarily delated?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.252.66.78 (talk) 22:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Milan Bosnar for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Milan Bosnar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milan Bosnar until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Hack (talk) 03:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Benjamin Odeje

Ok, fare enough. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Mister Saint Laurent

Hi Giant Snowman,

It appears you've made a mistake by deleting the Mister Saint Laurent entry. The page you deleted was not a recreation of the pulled page from 2008. I've helped monitor the page the last few years as there'd been some controversy, but it was ultimately decided by the appropriate Wikipedia authority figures that the new page was appropriate and should remain. So it would be a mistake to pull the page based on a different entry that was pulled five years ago. That entry was inappropriately created by the subject. Independent editors years later created a properly sourced page, which is the one you deleted. Hopefully after being made aware of the circumstances, you can correct this mistake. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larsonrick25 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Bits and pieces

Hi there SNOWY, hope your weekend's being sunny and "resty",

1 - remember that guy who added FULL NAMES to players with red links? Well here he is at it, with a fairly used IP (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.179.9.192). Now it's official, i GIVE UP (you have revert, you have block, you have ignore, and you have give up)! I know i'm a bit of a free spirit as an editor, but somethings are just too much, this guy doesn't care, i am through undoing his mess.

2 - can you read this message i sent to User:JMHamo and see if there is anything i said that might have upset him? Because i fail to see anything. Seeing that he converses with other editors, you included...well, another thing that saddens me is this, the TOTAL lack of response of some editors towards me, seemingly just because.

Keep it up, thanks in advance as always - --AL (talk) 17:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

• About #2: yes i know man, you can't force anyone to respond and i'd never want that, i was just looking for a "extra set of eyes" to look at my original message. Thanks! --AL (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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Overhaul of WP:FOOTY

Hi mate, I don't know if you saw my post below yours at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 May 23#Template:A Wambach: Assist/pass received and penalty-kick, but User:Dirtlawyer1 suggested I have a word with you about the state of affairs at WP:FOOTY. I have serious concerns about the project at the minute, particularly with the way many editors seem to place statistical info above all else. This is particularly evident in biographies and season articles, but it's spreading everywhere. I think we really need to start laying down some specific style guides for different types of football articles. It won't be easy, but it will certainly be valuable. – PeeJay 14:03, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, GS. And then when that's done, the biggest issue will be how to police the new guidelines. So, where do we start? – PeeJay 11:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• I agree with you that WP:FOOTBALL needs an overhaul, but I would say that from top to bottom needs work. For starters, we need to do something about the notability guidelines, which are being applied inconsistently (with people who meet NFOOTY but not GNG being kept on some occasions, and removed on others, and even issues with the leagues in the FPL structure). We also need to come to some kind of standard procedure with how to deal with player transfers, which at the moment is not in existence. And your concern about prose vs stats is also fully valid, and one I concur with. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Denis Ventura

Hi Giant Snowman

Can you undelete please article about Slovak footballer Denis Ventura, who currently plays for FK Senica. He made his professional debut for FK Senica on 26.5.2013 against FC Nitra [23]. Thank you. IQual (talk • 22:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Seydou Keita (footballer)

Hi there SNOWY,

is User:Mas y mas correct in his approach on this player's international caps? He says that the NFT.com site is not reliable, thus reverts ANYONE who tries to insert those numbers in his box.

I thought this website was reliable for the community. Is it not? If it is, 'bout time someone asks this chap to stop. Thanks in advance --AL (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Snowman. Evidence? The evidence is on the website itself! Go to Mali's page on NFT for the year 2000 for example, the year Keita made his debut, click on the tab for 'matches' and look at all the matches that is still missing. How can you say that Keita did not play in at least one of those internationals? You tell me not to remove referenced material? I know that but I'm not doing anything wrong my friend. In fact you and Always Learning are the guilty party here, using a source that you are not even fully familiar with and passing it off as accurate. I will again remove his stats from the page and I hope you and Always Learning understand now. Thank you very much! Mas y mas (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Compromoise? I am all for any form of compromise but situations like this I don't think there is a compromise. I believe you either put accurate stats or non at all. By putting a plus sign, how many more is it implying? At least one more? Five more? 50? 100? There is no point my friend and should not be there. Mas y mas (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Then I think this 'veteran move' of adding plus signs to inaccurate stats should be reviewed with a view to scrapping this tactic. I mean seriously, what is the point? It is misleading. Like I said, by how approximately many more are a player's stats inaccurate? Up to five? Up to 15? 50? There is no point. Mas y mas (talk) 15:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

'Damn sight better'. OK. So here is a Ghanaian international Robert Mensah NFT stats but there are no stats, ZERO! So we should go his page and put zero caps and zero goals with a plus signs because he has more than zero? haha. I don't know about you but I am sure that would be a damn sore sight my friend! But with the way this is going, it looks like you will be playing your admin card and you will prevail no matter what. So you do what you need to do and do what you want, I don't want to waste my time anymore. Good luck. Mas y mas (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Joaquín Carbonell - AfD all over

Has NEVER played as a professional, has NEVER coached as a professional (http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/l/l500240.html see his link here, ONE Segunda División B season that is all). Does not even have a link as a player.

Have tried to convey this to the point of exhaustion to User:El rayo que no cesa, in SPANISH so that there'd be no doubt. It seems to no avail, cheers to you --AL (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• AfD started: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joaquín Carbonell. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Kevin Phillips

Hello. While I appreciate the need for proper sourcing, particularly with BLPs, perhaps removing a significant portion of the article just at the point when it's going to be a target for anonymous amusement, might not have been a good idea. As the page is actively watched both by me and by Daemonic Kangaroo, and possibly others, could you not have just sent us a note, or posted on the talk page, to remind watchers there was a fair amount of unsourced content and if it wasn't sourced soon, you'd remove it. Just a thought... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• I'm with Struway2 on this. Just slap a bunch of citation-needed tags in - even if there are so many it looks like drive-by spam, someone will go and sort them, like I did today with some (ancient) ones to do with the Birmingham left back Paul Robinson. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Understandable, but with Birmingham City-related articles, Struway2 is often watching them, if no-one else is, and he'd go and fix things. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with the bit of WP:BLP that says "contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion". I do however think the approach outlined in the second para of WP:V#Burden of evidence is more collegiate, where the material isn't contentious or unlikely to be sourceable. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Think you're probably aware that's a fairly extreme interpretation of the guidelinepolicy... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

We differ in approach: that's not going to change. But if a sentence like "Phillips ended the season with 23 goals in 26 league games and 25 goals in all competitions.", figures which appear, sourced, in the career stats table, is really so contentious or likely to be challenged that it needs immediate removal, I think I ought to give up forthwith. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I have the greatest respect for you and everything that you do for Wikipedia but this is one of the most peculiar edits I have seen for sometime. I am quite apply to work with Struway and you (and any other editors) to bring this article up to scratch. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that Struway has said enough already - if you had contacted us and asked, we could have co-operated on the required improvements. As it is now, it is rather like a book with random chapters removed. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC) BTW, you didn't sign your reply to me.

Off out, take care

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V.J. Manzo

You may want to watchlist the redlink V. J. Manzo in case the person tries to create the article there or in case it is submitted through WP:AFC and I or another well-meaning WP:AFC reviewer inserts a space between the initials. I'll remember to watch out for WT:Articles for creation/V.J. Manzo and WT:Articles for creation/V. J. Manzo turning blue for the next few days but after that I'm likely to forget. I've watchlisted all 4 pages. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Recreation of a deleted page

Hi, I'm proposing to recreate the page Oneness University which was deleted [[24]] in 2008. Since that time, a considerable number of developments have come to light, including controversies that attracted have the attention of the mainstream Indian press, and so can be well referenced. M Stone (talk) 09:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

There have been developments both positive and negative. There were allegations by TV stations of drug-taking on the campus, followed by press coverage of a resulting court injunction. Plus a riot at the ashram which caused the deaths of several people, followed by a demonstration. Also numerous celebrities have visited the ashram/campus. Restoring the page history would help, perhaps. M Stone (talk) 10:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will develop a page. Some of the info is already on the page of its founder Kalki Bhagavan, however, it is probably more relevant to the organization itself. M Stone (talk) 10:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I have put together the beginnings of a page at [[25]]. Quite a bit has taken place since the AfD in 2008, and my assertion would be that the organisation is significantly more notable than it was then. I would also suggest that some of the material at Kalki Bhagavan belongs on the organisation's page and not on his personal page. Some of the material could arguably be on both pages. For comparison I am looking at the guru Osho, who has a separate page for the movement he founded, the Rajneesh movement, even though it was much better known. Cheers M Stone (talk) 09:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

For example, if you look at the news reports of the Temple stampede, and the resulting political protests, there doesn't seem to be any suggestion that the leader was involved, and perhaps was not even present at the time. Similarly, the controversy over the alleged land grabbing and drug taking, it was staff that had to answer to the authorities. In recent years, it has been the organisation attracting the attention of the authorities, and national press such as The Hindu. Hence, such events do not seem to belong in the guru's page, and perhaps in some cases cannot be included in a BLP anyway. M Stone (talk) 09:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, will do some further work on it. Cheers M Stone (talk) 08:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Query

Hi GiantSnowman. Apologies for leaning on you for things I could probably find myself, but do we do lists of player of the year and league positions as separate articles or not? Is there an MOS for football club articles? I'm going to have a bash at the Palace page today, would love your input and expert guidance and editing skills. Hiding T 09:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Lede

I've had a bash at the lede, would appreciate your thoughts, see History of Crystal Palace F.C. and [26]. Hiding T 12:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Seasons

In going through the History of Palace article I'm thinking a lot of the info would be better suited to individual season pages. I've seen Template:Crystal Palace F.C. seasons, are these style of articles okay to create, because I don't want to create a load if the consensus is to move away from them. Looking at List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons I'm guessing I'd also need one of those for Palace. Cheers for the help, Hiding T 15:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks muchly. I've trimmed back the TOC and removed the cleanup template on the article, I'm going through section by section but I feel the POV and bias is probably later in the article, I reckon you're referring to the Venables and Noades stuff. I'll try and get to that in the next 24 hours if that's okay? Do you have much to do with photos, it's been a while since I had much to do with images and I can't remember if we go by US or UK copyright length, I'm hoping a team photo from 1905 would be out of copyright, as would a 1911 shot of the Crystal Palace ground? Hiding T 15:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
  • No problem, I'm weak there too. Sorry for my part in being a pain in the arse the other day. I had a feeling you were one of the good guys but I think we went to shake hands and ended up butting heads. :) Hiding T 16:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Harry Noon

Hello Giant Snowman,

Harry Noon was my father-in-law. Therefore, I have reliable information to contribute to his listing.

Kind regards Steven — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.174.30.215 (talk) 14:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Again,

I am now signed in! :)

Can I use ancestry.com as a source?

Kind regards

Steven — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilbur56 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Gastón Sauro

Dear User:GiantSnowman, thanks for posting the very funny "warning" on my talk page. I wrote: Swiss Cup runner up: 2012–13 (four words and one season) in which two links were included and within both links one can read that FC Basel lost the final in a penalty shoot-out. If one does not win a final, one is a runner-up. I will now revert your revert to my original edit and will add this ref and this ref and thus I hope that this will help you not to repeat your embarassing mistake a second time. Greetings --Huligan0 (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Omri Altman

Hello GS, could you please look at Omri Altman.. I remember you saying before that U21 squad football is not notable, so should this page be deleted? Thanks as always. JMHamo (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Iago Aspas

Hi there mate,

let's see if i'm as fortunate as User:Rupert1904 when he asked you for page protection at WP:FOOTY for Marco van Ginkel (page protected almost immediately). This article has received almost 100 edits after my last contribution, almost all (if not ALL) vandalizing the piece. If you pay attention closely, you will see i added several refs to storyline, which i "augmented", refs to PERSONAL section, one source for his statistics chart, it was all removed (kind of on purpose? As the vandalism could have been cleaned up without the removal of valid stuff, i feel someone out there did not like my ZERO tolerance for vandalism. Well i don't like vandals either!) and replaced with the gibberish "he likes Robbie Fowler, he likes van Nistelrooy, etc".

All because what: Aspas has been linked (not even official yet!) to Liverpool. I stress here what i mentioned in the above paragraph, vandalism active as of TODAY/YESTERDAY, reason enough to protect no? Thanks in advance --AL (talk) 23:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

• I stand corrected, more than 200 EDITS!! The war between Liverpool and Everton "fans" is soooo beautiful... --AL (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Rufat Dadaşov

Hello, I'm User:Molnardaniel63. I have edited Rufat Dadaşov because it is impossible to search on the internet about him. While searching, Wikipedia link doesn't appear. That is why I would kindly ask you to change page name, particularly ş to sh for making it more accessible. Kind regards Molnardaniel63 (talk) 15:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of David MacGill

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Get a sense of proprotion

A single revert is not an edit war, and you don't get to threaten me with a block for making one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

You have now accused me of "[reverting] Boleyn at two near-identical articles": diffs, please. And even if I did, that's not an edit war, and not a reason for issuing a block warning. As an admin, you should not need to be told that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of David MacGill for deletion

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RE

I believe it was Thunderbold93 that clears the discussion. My apologies. --SuperVirtual (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Removing my writings

What the hell motivates you to remove the reference I made just to spam my talk page with WE'RE WARNING YOU NOT TO VANDALIZE THE ARTICLE nonsense? Draconian people like you keep people away from editing anything at Wikipedia, knowing they're going to be attacked by some disciplinarian psycho like you!--46.194.1.190 (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

2012–13 Queen of the South F.C. season

Whats your reasoning for the clean up on these and several other season pages. Particularly cant see the reasoning behind the dash change as there wasn't an incorrect dash on the article. Blethering Scot 14:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I mean that and a lot of similar edits. I fail to see how the edit summary clean up covers it nor do i see it as preferable especially in articles of this nature. In fact making sure all the dashes are consistently the same using the code or users using a variety of different dashes which there are lots of examples is far preferable. If the script (which there are many) detected that there were several types of incorrectly used dashes then fair enough clean up and sort it but thats not the case here. Blethering Scot 15:21, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Totally disagree with that uniformity is important and thats something that we severely lack on this site. The site it littered with incorrect dashes which is why many users have to go around fixing them, and fixing something that was perfectly correct is pointless. Using the code guarantees that they are the same and correctly formatted. Im more concerned about accuracy than new users because lets be honest everything on this site is daunting to a newbie and where its use is widespread all over the article its fairly obvious what its doing. My point is its not a cleanup when there isn't anything that actually needs corrected, nor is its use untidy. If you were fixing dashes which were incorrect which there are thousands then its worthwhile but dashes that are correct is pointless to be doing.Blethering Scot 15:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

It will in articles like these where they are consistent in use like season articles. Never had the need to use AWB as there are specific and brilliant scripts that are better for that kind of thing, if the former is detected then the script will change them all to the correct version. On top of that titles of season articles do actually use ndash; and the - are redirected to the ndash one. I strongly object to your use of cleanup as a edit summary in these cases and think you need to be more specific as this is a preference and its not improving or damaging the encyclopaedia in doing so. Im sure as an admin you'll appreciate being clear. But is certainly unnecessary to fix something that doesn't need fixed especially given the mountains of things that do around here. Well never agree on this but I'm letting you know I'm not happy about it nor do i feel it worthwhile.Blethering Scot 16:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

An Ndash is used in titles. I certainly do understand that which is my point they are exactly the same, which is why there is no need to perform a cleanup as you are calling it. Its a waste of time and not benefiting the encyclopaedia, there are far better things to be doing with time. Using the code is far less likely for editors to use the wrong type of dash. As ive said youre not cleaning up you are replacing a preference of non code to plain dash and thats what you should be saying your doing.Blethering Scot 17:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear you really think that! If your meaning the one on awards it certainly isn't, I'm actually not aware of what the result of that was. Its not cleaning up it really isnt in my view. On a fully textual article i can see a point where its impossible for editors to consistently see what is being used but in an article such as a season article where scores, stats and results are used throughout using the code is far more likely to stop errors. Anyway I'm rather amused and not happy that you think that little of me that you think this is because of a CFD i really am. Please use a more descriptive edit summary in future thats what im asking of you. Blethering Scot 17:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Think I've made it clear its both. But as i cant see you stopping it then use a clear edit summary. Oh and thanks for the non apology for the not assuming good faith by the way. Blethering Scot 17:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Asking you to provide clearer edit summaries is not an invalid request, neither is the former. Clean up does not cover that edit so rather than debating just use a summary that actually describes the edit. I hope not to have to raise it again.Blethering Scot 19:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

It isn't and your refusal to provide a clearer edit summary is concerning. The majority of your five hundred or so edits today, most using awb have been specifically to remove the coded dash from articles, thats not a clean up thats a targeted change from the code to non. Either can and should be used so why do you feel the need to do it. You aren't improving the encyclopaedia by doing so, thats for certain. Blethering Scot 20:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOOTBALL overhaul

I've started drafting some ideas here, and I'll work on this for a while, on and off, if you've got any opinions/comments, feel free to leave them :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• I've added some notability guidelines for coaches, and the procedures for dealing with transfers. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 09:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Wendy Zavaleta

None of the sources in that article are reliable external sources, as required for a BLP - one is IMDB and the other is a talent agency. Per WP:BLPPROD, "All biographies of living people created after March 2010 must have at least one reference to a reliable source. If no reliable references are found and added within a ten-day grace period, this article may be deleted." There are no reliable external sources, ergo it should be deleted. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 09:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

AN discussion

I have started a discussion about you and some others at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive249#Interaction ban proposed. Fram (talk) 13:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Airdrieonians

What is your reasoning behind reverting back to the now factually incorrect Airdrie United F.C. title? (Lbarnett-bl (talk) 14:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC))

I was actually doing it as you were writing on my talk page :) I've explained the issue at WT:FOOTY. Number 57 14:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Smith (author)

PLEASE REOPEN THE DISCUSSION I OPENED ON THE ADMINISTRATORS FORUM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamTaylorSimpson (talk • contribs) 16:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

The article Thomas Smith (author) has been renamed twice, subjected to a discussion for deletion where the originator clearly states a disparaging comment. The rogue nature and continuance of actions by a group of geographically connected users on this cite is something that may have long term serious consequences of Wikipedia. The BDSM author, BDSM activists, and Gay Writers categories where this article is located appears to have been subjected to dissimilar treatment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamTaylorSimpson (talk • contribs) 16:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Water Supply and Sanitation Collaborative Council

Hi GiantSnowman!

I have noticed that you have deleted the page for the Water Supply and Sanitation Collaborative Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Supply_and_Sanitation_Collaborative_Council), who I work for. Can you please tell me why the page was deleted and how we can get the page back online?

Thanks!Pereras2013 (talk) 18:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I have looked at the information that you linked, but I'm not entirely sure how I have a conflict of interest in wanting the article to be reinstated. Concerning self-promotion, I will review the article to ensure that the information is presented in a neutral fashion. (The information in the article is meant to factually represent the organization's activities and departments, and is of course open to edits from the Wikipedia community.) Could you please consult the WP:AFD and restore the article. I would of course appreciate any further advice that you have to give on the matter. Thanks! Pereras2013 (talk) 08:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the article. I will review the information on the page and make the necessary changes, as well as mentioning a conflict of interest in the appropriate section. I don't think that this has to be sent to WP:AFD. Thanks. Pereras2013 (talk) 16:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Alex Byrne

Hello, I edited the Alex Byrne page, because he is my great uncle and he lives here in Adelaide, South Australia, and has for many years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.209.31 (talk) 05:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I don't have a newspaper article to confirm that, but I assure you he lives in Adelaide. I am in fact attending his 80th birthday celebration this Saturday, in Adelaide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.209.31 (talk) 08:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Platform Racing

What are we doing about Platform Racing 2 and Platform Racing 3?--Launchballer 09:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

If you say so, but I'd like to object to Platform Racing's deletion.--Launchballer 09:53, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I had previously removed the tag; he seems to have restored it.--Launchballer 10:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Kevin Strootman

Fair enough, cheers mate. – PeeJay 11:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

New naming consensus

Be advised that WP:VPP, WP:TITLE, WP:WPDIS, WP:WPBIO, WP:DAB, Template:Centralized discussion were all notified and a notice was posted in WP:POST. Not sure how much wider a notice should have been.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I did not view this as a WP:FOOTY, WP:MLB, WP:NFL, WP:HOCKEY, etc. issue as much as a policy issue. I notified every place I thought relevant at the time.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I didn't look, but suppose a lot of those are British soccer player. WP:England probably wants to be notified. Looking up every project that tags each of the examples' talk pages is not really what I think the responsibility of the initiator of this discussion is.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Your interactions with Keifer

Since its obvious no one else is going to say anything at this point, I will. I don't condone the comment by Keifer although I also think it was taken out of context as an excuse to block him. With that said, I also think that some of your actions were also innappropriate, and as much as it pains me to say it I think Fram had a valid point in requesting an interaction ban between you and KW. I think your actions were especially bad coming from an admin who should no better. Not every editor is going to get along with everyone and there are several with which I maintain a mutual feeling of loathing. But I try and avoid them, not bait them into a blockable situation. Clearly I'm not an admin and have no power to do anything but I wanted to make you aware that I thought some of your actions did not cast a good light. Bad Snowman, Bad! Kumioko (talk) 15:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Jesé Rodríguez - Bits and pieces

Thanks for your intervention in this player's article and on User:SideMaster's page. Now, for my followup "deeds";

1 - i have added refs for ALL stuff that you viewed as requiring citation; 2 - i totally agree with your removal of the youth goals, overdetail and also unref'd; 3 - i have retrieved TRANSFERMARKT.com, but now as a statistics reference, not a link, cannot do any harm no? 4 - i have to be BOLD and put my foot down in the honours section: as storyline illustrates and sources, he played once in the 2011-12 Copa del Rey, and he played also one game in the 2011-12 La Liga, in England it's different i know, but in Portugal and Spain, for example, you play ONE SECOND you get a medal. With the refs present in the int.career section, his U19 2012 honours were OK to go, and the new accolade i added (U-17 stuff in 2010) is now also referenced.

Hopefully we can reach a compromise, thanks --AL (talk) 17:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I'm going to include sub-sections under Club career, just like the Neymar article under Santos or Christian Eriksen under Ajax. This shows better the players development at the club.

I hope you can understand this, thanks --SideMaster (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Snowy, maybe you need to drop another line in Master's page. He's added another YOUTUBE link as a source in text. I thought we had explained it to him "fair and square" previously, seems we did not. --AL (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Pekka Hämäläinen (footballer)

Hello GiantSnowman,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Pekka Hämäläinen (footballer) for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Bruno Russell (talk) 19:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Pekka Hämäläinen (footballer)

Hi, I'm Bruno Russell. GiantSnowman, thanks for creating Pekka Hämäläinen (footballer)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Only been put on because, sadly, the following man has died. No notable significance.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Bruno Russell (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pekka Hämäläinen (footballer)

Hello, GiantSnowman. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Pekka Hämäläinen (footballer), for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

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3. save the page

Also, be sure to explain why you think the article should be kept in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you don't do so, it may be deleted later anyway.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Bruno Russell (talk) 19:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Jordan Wynter

Hello GS. Could you please take a look at Jordan Wynter. I PROD'ed it and a vandal (now blocked) removed the PROD, so I reverted and was told that I shouldn't - see my Talk page. Now the article has no PROD notice. Should it be just left the way it is? I am confused. Thanks JMHamo (talk) 13:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, I understand it now. Could you check Jordan Wynter now and make sure I did everything correct. JMHamo (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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I despair, part two

You do a decent thing and clear up a BLP issue that has been untouched for years, on a good article no less, and your contribution is replaced 30 minutes later; wonderful. An official document is better than a common webpage, with all capitals in the title to boot, but I won't change it back because I can't be bothered with the inevitable drama. I also disagree with the introduction of redirects, using a term that is rarely used in Europe as well, but I see the article is owned.

I hope you don't mind me venting on your talk page. It's not a big deal, I just didn't like the almost immediate removal of my contribution and the comment that came with it; as if their opinion is definitive. I decided to add a full name reference to every Italy squad member, and most of France's, for the 2010 World Cup earlier and seeing those edits annoyed me. Congratulations on promotion, by the way. I've visited RfA, RfC and AN over the last few days; quite the snake pit. Walls of Jericho (talk) 02:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I haven't, no. It's not a major issue, like you say. It was late at night, I couldn't sleep (insomnia, so much fun...) and I guess seeing that ticked me off when any other time it wouldn't. I've been registered here for over five and a half years now, so I felt like a change. If you're not into wrestling I doubt you get the reference, but the name pays homage to one of my all-time favourites; Chris Jericho. One of his signature moves is called the Walls of Jericho. Name changes can be confusing. I did see one user acting like a jackass yesterday, but didn't recognise them. Then I saw their name had been changed and it all made sense. Walls of Jericho (talk) 09:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Ha, me too. I first saw him in the late 90s when I was 11 and loved his style and charisma. A definite candidate for the G.O.A.T. Nowadays he selflessly puts guys over who have a fraction of the talent that he does. If it wasn't for him, CM Punk and Bryan Danielson I doubt I'd watch now. Walls of Jericho (talk) 10:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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PROD question

Hello GS. Just looking at Omri Altman now and I see it says "This message has remained in place for seven days and so the article may be deleted without further notice." What happens now? Do you as an Admin delete it when you have the time?

Also, could you have a look at Fernandinho, it seems to be getting hammered - might need protecting for a while? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

KW

I refrained from posting further about this as long as the KW discussion on AN was opened, but since it is closed now... First, my apologies for including you in the interaction ban proposal, it seems that I indeed overestimated your involvement in this, probably in part due to comments made about you inbetween the relatively few interactions you had with KW, and in part due to your involvement in the last two more heated situations (the one that lead to his previous block, and the RfA discussion).

I tried to defuse the situation by proposing an interaction ban between what I perceived as those that had the most friction between them and were all partly to blame (probably not in equal parts, but let's not open that can of worms). But my perception of your role in this was off, and a few intemperate or perhaps ill-cosidered remarks shouldn't have lead to an interaction ban proposal (or there would be many more interaction bans between long-term editors, myself included).

I do believe that it may be helpful if you try to stay away from KW for a while (I note that your involvement in the subsequent block discussion at AN was minimal or non-existent, unlike Demiurge's), if only because he seems unlikely to listen to you, but I'll not interfere if you don't follow that advice. Fram (talk) 07:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Released Players

Hi mate, I looked it up and it is actually 30th June, but why can't they just be removed anyway? BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok mate. As for the youth players, I think all of the second year scholars are going to leave, except Swain and Brown who have been offered contracts. So the likes of Bass and Harrison I would imagine are leaving. BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, or try emailing or tweeting D.Baldwin. BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Striking comment

I striked it as Dennis Brown and you suggested.[27] May122013 (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Páll Klettskarð

Hi GiantSnowman. You have previously deleted the article about the Faroese football player Páll Klettskarð. The reason was: (Expired PROD, concern was: Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league.) Yesterday he played his first match for the Faroe Islands national team, so he should qualify for an article here now. Could you please restore the article? Kind regards EileenSanda (talk) 07:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

City of Bohane

Hi, City of Bohane has been nominated as an In the News item. However, it needs to be further updated to meet the criteria (essentially, five sentences). Would you be able to add further to the article? Thanks, --RA (talk) 22:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

Hello. I bring this to you because you blocked the editor before, so I won't have to try and explain the background at AIV/EW/ANI/wherever. Basically, they've come back from their block with no intention of changing their ways. This final warning, and the previous thread at their talk page, will explain the detail. They've since reverted again at the two articles mentioned in the final warning. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Ta :-) Struway2 (talk) 11:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism-only IP

• 89.238.151.186 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) This IP has been editing disruptively for the last couple of hours, and it doesn't seem to stop after the warnings either. I reported the IP at AIV 50 minutes ago, but the vandalism continues and no admin has passed by to block the IP yet. Would you help me with the mop :) Mentoz86 (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your as always swift actions :) Mentoz86 (talk) 11:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Bradford City

I am removing unreferanced content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superbhoy1888 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The reference to the intertoto cup appearance is on the Guardian website: "From the Vault: Bradford City's adventure in the 2000 Intertoto Cup" http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jan/23/from-the-vault-bradford-intertoto-cup

Also originally, the Telegraph website:

"InterToto Cup: Bradford adventure ends with tame defeat" By Peter Gardner 12:00AM BST 03 Aug 2000 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/european/4763923/InterToto-Cup-Bradford-adventure-ends-with-tame-defeat.html InterToto Cup: Bradford adventure ends with tame defeat

This article lists Arshavin as 'Archavine' coming on as 28th minute substitute in the team lists. This is also confirmed in a recent Daily Mail article on the League Cup Arsenal match, which also includes a photo of the player:

Why a cup tie at Bradford is familiar territory for one unlikely Arsenal forward... By Joe Ridge, PUBLISHED: 13:35, 11 December 2012 | UPDATED: 13:35, 11 December 2012

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2246387/Andrey-Arshavin-returns-Bradford-City.html#ixzz2VpZL6fBA Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pigletty (talk • contribs) 16:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Do I list this at footy?

Hi GiantSnowman, while going through Irish footballers (again), I PROD'ed this guy Keith Gallagher. Do I list him at footy, and if so how dude? Cheers. Murry1975 (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if you caught this

I did post at my talk, but cheers for the beer! Got another query for if I take this further and sort out the seasons pages. When do we consider one season finishing and another starting on Wikipedia? For example, are we still in the 2012-2013 season until the community shield in August 2013? Would transfers get detailed on a 2012-2013 season page, or would it make sense to start a 2013-2014 page and detail them there as happening in the close season? Also, wanted to let you know I've nominated the History of Palace page as a good article, although there's a backlog there. I'm hoping I can take it to FA status. Thanks, for your help, Hiding T 11:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Cheers. Hiding T 11:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Vali Gasimov

Hi there GS, how's it going?

not sure if the situation will be solved by the time you read these lines, but if it is not: in Vali Gasimov, i have removed the THIRD-PLACES in honours one guy added (it is debatable that the runner-up in leagues count or not, yes i know all that mambo-jambo, but the third-places are not, period, no reliable sources can enter the equation there), was immediately reverted (twice) by a late changes patroller, who also called me a vandal in spite of the fact i provided a summary (i see that, for some, exclamation marks and more than one question mark immediately constitute unpolitiness and/or inconstructiveness).

I have sent message to both users (the one who unduly added the accolades, the one who reverted me), can you converse with the latter if he reverts me again (User:155blue)? Thanks in advance, cheers --AL (talk) 00:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• I should have known this would happen, perfectly TRUE info summarily removed. Why not just add the correct CITATIONS NEEDED tag and leave the info for people to find the sources (not trying to tell you how to do your job, just thought that, at WP, people either did one thing - add tags either in header or body of article or remove info - not BOTH)? Believe me, i'm going to try and find sources to reinstate storyline. If i can't, of course i'll leave his storyline with his "interesting" 14 caps for Azerbaijan, not going to revert you mate. Reading through the previous storyline, i did not find one single bit that could be deemed POV or libelous except for "After a second season with little impact...", but fair enough.

P.S. About the honours, one bit or all bits, i did not add anything, just wanted to keep his youth national team and individual accolades because that is true (and believe me, you're not going to find any sources for that except in Russian, and even then). Attentively --AL (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Not saying you said that man, just telling that the previous storyline was pretty much "harmless" except for the "little impact" bit. --AL (talk) 10:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Ref'd to the best of my abilities. The Spanish ref, luckily, sources 100% of what is written, the Portuguese one, about 95% of it. Also, per WP guidelines, i've removed all POV words that escaped me previously ("impressive", etc), i think it's neat now, of course you may beg to differ. Ciao! --AL (talk) 14:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary football templates

Can you delete templates below?

I think they must be deleted because they are minor competitions only.

Template:Vietnam squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Vietnam squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Vietnam squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Vietnam men's football squad 2009 SEA Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Vietnam men's football squad 2011 SEA Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete template and similar at the same level per this deletion discussion.

Banhtrung1 05:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey Giant, I have already tagged it! Banhtrung1 05:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

XXXX establishments in foo

No one has actually proposed upmerging even Category:1889 establishments in the Colony of Natal. That said the vast majority of XXXX establishments in Foo categories I have created in the last few weeks related to XXXX in US state of XXXX in country that is the current name both then and now. There are no proposals against those. Others I have created have been XXXX in Gold Coast (British Colony) which come from a closed CfD to use that name before the creation of Ghana in 1957 or XXXX in Mandatory Palestine which was the name decided upon at CfD last December.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• The attacks on me ignore the fact that if I did not find and populate these additional categories people would continue to act as if the extremely small nature of the South Africa category was everything available, and ignore the potential growth.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Other users (ie, I) might be waiting for the current discussions to reach a consensus before nominating any more related categories. Good Ol’factory <sup>(talk)</sup> 03:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Our blocked Forest friend

is now editing anon... See [28], [29]. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

...and this one by the looks of it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

...and [30]. I reported this to AIV as well, in case you weren't going to be about. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:43, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Any chance of a range block? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:58, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Bobby Tambling

If you took time to read the article who might have noticed that I just relocated the info to more appropriate places. Before reverting edits take a breath first DjlnDjln (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mikey Lopez

I've responded with links to past AfDs where such an issue was discussed. I'm sure there are more, but the search function isn't great! Number 57 08:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

PS - just realised that you commented in one and changed your !vote based on an appearance against a semi-pro team :) Number 57 08:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

please don't delete this page Mr. GiantSnowman. It's my humble request.Shashikant23 (talk) 05:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Probabilistic cellular automata

Hi there. Can you tell me what, if anything, was in that article before you deleted it? Your reason was G8, but I thought that was normally used for sub-pages in Wiki-space. Was it just an empty page, or a bad redirect? Thanks. —Torchiest <sup>talk</sup><sub>edits</sub> 13:40, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

User:2008jordancfc

Hi mate, any chance you could do something about User:2008jordancfc readding the "Starting XIs" to the Chester F.C. article? This is getting silly now. – PeeJay 14:16, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary football templates

When they will be deleted to clean-up wikipedia? Banhtrung1 (talk) 15:09, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Plexus14

Hi there SNOWY, how's it going?

you may want to keep a (serious) eye on this guy, really respects no one here at WP (no summaries, no replies to messages, the lot). In Ersen Martin he removed 99,99999999% of the categories apparently just because (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ersen_Martin&diff=next&oldid=469280755), after "correcting" the dashes in box (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ersen_Martin&diff=next&oldid=469279313). I sent him a polite but assertive message to his page, got zero in reply of course. In fact he has tons of warnings in his page, including several from YOU.

Now he's taking it up a notch: in Milan Smiljanić, he says the loans in stuff go, and they do (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Milan_Smiljani%C4%87&diff=prev&oldid=557540812)! What now, in your opinion? I know what i'd do, but i'm not the admin here :) --AL (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

• I don't think the last stuff was gross vandalism, from the quick peak i just had. My humble question is this man: what's that got to do with any action being taken? Look at all the warnings he's had in the past. I thought you had to catch an anon IP being active to punish, not an account.

Nevermind, you're the admin i have to repeat it not me, i'll brief you when (i know i will) i catch him red-handed again. --AL (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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Caretaker managers in Managers Template

Hello mate, could you please provide your opinion on including caretaker managers like Brian Kidd in the Club Managers template on Template talk:Manchester City F.C. managers#Brian_Kidd. I am trying to build consensus and your input is invaluable. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 20:20, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

And another...

Serious serious stuff in Zequinha (Portuguese footballer),

Really annoying this User:Tsobek in this guy's article, continues to add flags in infobox and now it's much much more serious, removes references in storyline (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zequinha_(Portuguese_footballer)&diff=prev&oldid=557573116)! Again, i have the feeling it's persecution to my work, since i have reverted him several times! I did what i have to do and brought this to your attention, can't do anything anymore, and i know that if i contact this person i will not be all the helpful and/or polite i should, so i'd appreciate it if you reached out instead of me, could you oblige?

Cheers, all the best --AL (talk) 00:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

• Was i unpolite, to you of all people i did not wish to? I don't think so man, but please clear this doubt! In a related note, i've sent Tsobek another warning, i think i was a bit "too much" as i told you in the previous message. --AL (talk) 16:24, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

• He has replied, seemed nice overall, but he also showed great disgust about being threatened with a report after removing FOUR (!) references in the article. I told you it should have not have been me with the message, i'm tactless at this :(

I have re-replied, maybe you can drop a line in Tsobek's page so that he sees i'm not making anything up (the fact that removing sourced information without explanation - which he says he did not even though the diff shows exactly that - is very serious here) --AL (talk) 21:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Joel DiBartolo listed at Redirects for discussion

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Bill Nyrop article

FYI, I have reverted your edits, which breezily removed 4.8kb of data based on the erroneous assuption that no sources were provided. In fact, if you check the References carefully, you will notice that all the claims in the article were taken from Nyrop's Hockeydraftcentral and Legendsofhockey profiles. Mlindroo (talk)

International goal tables.

Hello, Thanks for giving me the heads up. I'll tell you know that not all international goal tables are referenced, and that is the reason why I didn't reference mine. But I will from know on. Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay I will from know on. But when I do remove unreferenced stuff then I get messages asking why I removed them and then it makes me look bad. Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Also another thing. I got told about over-linking, but surely everything needs to be linked to the correct places. Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Also I just updated Andrea Pirlo's international goal table here. Is this acceptable? Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

So on a international goal table, If a player scores in the same arena or in the same competition consecutively, then no need to link again. But if for example a player scored at Ricoh Arena on his 1st international goal and then returned to the same place again and scored his 10th international goal then the venue can be linked again. Correct or not. Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you for summarising everything up and thank you for the help. Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Deprods

Hi GiantSnowman, I'd love to personally improve all of the improperly PRODded articles, but given the volume of articles it's not feasible. It's my experience that many PRODders do not follow WP:BEFORE, and there is, surprisingly, dispute about whether editors even have an obligation to follow those steps before proposing an article for deletion. I always explain why I deprod in the edit comment, and I try to leave a note in the talk page in more complicated cases, but improving each article would either mean examining far fewer articles, or dedicating far more time to PROD review. Pburka (talk) 11:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Warning unsourced material

You keep warning me for editing unsourced material. I just added a source for Florian Jozefzoon's statistics. Could you let me know if it's ok now, before you block me or warn me again. I emphazize that I have never added wrong statistics. WR227 (talk)

Theories on the location of New Albion

The question of what the fair title of this article should be is being discussed on that page's talk page. Your thoughts are welcome! MikeVdP (talk) 20:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Article for Nabilla Benattia : STRONG candidate for immediate deletion

Hello GiantSnowman,

I want to bring to your attention the article for Nabilla Benattia which is a strong candidate for immediate deletion due to its lack of encyclopedic interest and worthiness. It does not qualify under the criteria set in WP:BIO. This article has already been deleted in the French version of Wikipedia for these reasons. This article deals with a young French lady of Algerian origin, living near the border with Switzerland, who is just known for showing off her body on a French reality TV show and trying to say "silly" phrases. Obviously Wikipedia French editors decided this is not worthy of Wikipedia. Would you please have a look at this matter and tell me what you think? I think you could go ahead and start the deletion process.

--Grandscribe (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Bashkir Wikipedia

I have nominated this page for deletion two weeks ago, using the AfD process rather than PRODding it like I later did with other pages. It has been relisted twice, and attracted (at the moment) just one vote. If you feel the deletion is controversial, perhaps you could add your vote.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Guess who's got a new IP address...

and still removing league divisions from career stats tables... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Adrian Chavez

So, you reverted a edit I made listing Adrian Chavez as a Mexican of African descent. Take a look at this picture and tell me what ancestry you think he has instead.

http://euro.mediotiempo.com/media/2009/01/07/america-esta-obligado-a-ser-campeon-chavez.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C017:EAD0:F975:8B53:6241:8C29 (talk) 09:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Next matchday scenarios

For another time there is a problem we the next matchday scenarios. When I look at this it is clear that isn't a simple math but it is a OR, there is possible to make this a rule of wikipedia? Stigni (talk) 08:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

David Turpel

Hello. You might not have noticed that neither Soccerway nor NFT include stats for the Luxembourg 2nd division, so the figures in the infobox are wrong. Mr Turpel definitely played in the 11/12 season, e.g. scoring twice on 17 Oct 2011. If it were me, I'd leave the stats there, but add a clear explanatory note.

Incidentally, did anything ever come of removing and/or blocking the addition of links to soccerdatabase.eu/playerhistory? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like soccerdatabase.eu has gone, apart from a few links recently added, but there are still 100s of playerhistory. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

All the soccerdatabase.eu links have gone, apart from three recently added. Whether Mentoz has added playerhistory to other pages instead, I've no idea. But no links to playerhistory.com have been removed: check out the article histories. I thought they were supposed to be going as well? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I was waiting for the bot to rollback itself, but when that didn't happen I readded the citations to PH on the articles in my watchlist, but that was only about 20 articles. I don't know why the rest of the ~ 300 articles still has the links, maybe someone else has done the same thing as me. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion on this page

Hi GS... in your opinion do you think this page should be deleted? Barclays Premier League Top 25 Goal Scorers - 2012-13. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 10:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk page bans

User:Retrolord has no respect whatsoever for polite requests to stay away from talk pages. In fact to prevent his continued trolling on my talk page after several warnings, I had to make the unprecedented move to full protect it for an hour to get him to stop. If I hadn't been the targeted admin I would probably have blocked him for PA and disruption - or probably not, but put a few warning templates on his talk page (where I am banned in a most immature manner, but which I respect). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

It just never ends does it Kudpung. You just can't help yourself. I've dropped this numerous times only to have you post about it again somewhere else. I assume you want me banned indefinetly for posting on your talk page three times too many? ★★RetroLord★★ 12:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I think everybody here needs to take a breather. GiantSnowman 12:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

José Paulo Bezerra Maciel Júnior

Hello GS, do you think José Paulo Bezerra Maciel Júnior should be protected until next week? It's bound to get more IP vandalism over the next few hours, especially as the media are running stories about him joining Tottenham. JMHamo (talk) 14:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Me again.. Isco has been recently been unprotected and the IP vandalism had increased, could you also re-protect this article until next week? Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 16:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Assistance

Hi there GS, AL "here",

what exactly am i supposed to do about this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Always_Learning#Request)? I'm at a total loss.

Thanks very much in advance for your assistance, cheers --AL (talk) 10:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

• More of the title (i only bring it to your attention that is): the "red link enabler" is at it again (IP here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.145.196.234), taking it up a notch now, now he writes full names for Rayo Vallecano presidents as well! This kind of "contributions" seem to be his raison d'être here at WP, you've talked to him, i've talked to him, what does he do?

Attentively --AL (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing, here's this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.179.13.99), and this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.181.220.245) and this other one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.128.195.10), last but not least (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.168.113.40). I'll put it on your tab :) --AL (talk) 13:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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Just a reminder

Removing comments from talkpages (except under certain exceptions (BLP, OUTING, ATTACK, etc.. )) is against WP:TPO. Further, I didn't post in the archived portion of the discussion, but rather below it, which is allowable. I didn't revert you, nor will I as I am not trying to create extra drama. I disagree with your revert, but I'll leave it there, like I said.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  16:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Saw your message

(copied from Wewhalt's talk page)

KV, you attempted to prolong a discussion that was already closed. TPO refers to talk pages - this post was not at a talk page. Even if it was, I would still have removed the post. As it served no purpose other than to stir & create further drama, I could even consider classing it (if I wasn't AGFing) as "removing harmful posts". GiantSnowman 16:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I see your reasoning, however, my post didn't meet the criteria for "harmful post". That would be personal attacks,trolling or vandalism, my post was none of the above. You make a very valid point that it isn't a WP:TALK page, and you're correct, it's being used exactly like a talk page, and I would submitt that WP:TALK would be applicable , as it's definetly not an article, nor a special page, but valid point none the less. I won't re-revert you, so that post can stay hidden.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  16:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Matt Duke

Matt Duke is still officially a Bradford City player until July 1st 2013 (Monday). I have added him back into the squad until then.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 19:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

2004-05 Taça de Portugal

Is it possible to delete the page 2004-05 Taça de Portugal. There are several elements within the article which are wrong: wrong categories, no references, etc. I have already written a code for a new page.

User talk:Alexgreene87, 25 June 2013, 22:00 UTC

Nouman Ali Khan

Dear GiantSnowman, I hope you are well. I am worried that I might have mis-formed my AFD recommendation on Nouman Ali Khan. I will be extremely grateful if you will please take a look. Thanks so much. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 03:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Pedantry/Rules

I can't be arsed finding a source, so the article won't contain that information. You couldn't edit it yourself to improve the phrasing could you? Your pedantry really slows the project down you know. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 14:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Things off my chest

I know that you're not Dear Abby, but here it goes as the title of my message goes (keep in mind it's just that, i'm not asking for mediation/blocks/warnings, just confiding): 1 - been frozen out by another user after my edits at Iago Aspas (first one was anon, this one has account), and i know he talks to other editors per his contributions. Do i act like an idiot sometimes here? I admit i do, but i always apologize when i do, so i don't understand these attitudes by some users that basically say i'm a piece of garbage that does not merit ONE WORD in reply.

2 - how do i know User:Kolins is that other account? Easy! I've messaged the new username a few times (truth be said he has always replied, politely) addressing him by KOLINS, and he never said "What are you talking about? That's not my account". Kudos are in order GS, don't you think my friend?

Kind regards as always --AL (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

• Feel a bit silly (not overtly silly but a bit), the user in Aspas has replied finally after i made some reinstatements of his previous edits and apologized for unduly (and inadvertently!) removing them, all's well that ends well it seems :) --AL (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Super Match

Hi, This rivaly is a world-famous and best derby of K League. So this derby introuduced in FIFA website. Please refer to FIFA website [31]

I declared this article jijidae derby This derby is not notable and we can delete or integrate to article Super Match. Footwiks (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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HONOURS

Hi there GS, AL "here",

After my run-in in Gaizka Mendieta regarding this subject, the following: i am getting sincerely and utterly fed up with this lack of consensus regarding the players' accolades. A lot of users say one thing, a lot of users say another...To add insult to injury, 99,999999% of the users that remove the runner-up honours do it without one word of explanation.

Please man, don't just say what you usually say to me, "What do the reliable sources say?". The fact is that medals are handed out to the runners-up and, in some competitions, to the THIRD-PLACED team, makes no sense having users decide "This is not an honour" when IT IS! Regardless of a guy having two wins (thus mentioning the second-places all of a sudden being worthy) or 50 (in that case, no "he has not won any runner-up medals" even if he has).

A related but different item would be if we, as an encyclopedia, deemed that stuff not worthy of being in the article of a sportsperson (the second or third-places that is). What happens is that i see we sometimes allow it, and sometimes don't allow it. Why if i may ask? In managers, i bet Tito Vilanova is the only manager in the wiki-world who is entitled to have his ASSISTANT MANAGER honours in his page, when many many many assistant coaches have done THE SAME. More "fun facts": there is this huge/neverending beef with the runner-up team honours isn't it? Well, football is a TEAM sport, and i don't see anybody getting uptight with the less important INDIVIDUAL honours, those stay.

(NOTE: i am also leaving this very message in User:Mattythewhite's talk)Attentively --AL (talk) 20:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• So please, enlighten me (and i'm not being sarcastic, "honestest" of truths), what's a reliable source in this case of honours we are addressing? I am at a total loss, moreso as Matty (an admin, not just any user!) told me he usually does not add runner-ups anywhere, unless it is a runner-up in league that ends in promotion (last time i checked, that's not an honour ANYWHERE except in England), which leaves with the feeling i described above, pretty much everybody does how they please (some like runner-up, some don't and remove those who like them, etc, etc). I sincerely don't understand (i try hard as i can, must be me) how you get the gist of the olympics and say it's not an issue (GOLD, SILVER, BRONZE) then don't see that the M.O. for cups is the same (MEDALS and CUP for winners, MEDALS for runner-ups and "smaller" MEDALS for third-placed team at the Copa América, FIFA World Cup).

I repeat the question: please, what's a reliable source for honours so that i understand what to do and stop bothering you and everybody at WP? Thanks.

P.S. 1 - can you please see that Ernesto Amantegui is deleted? Non-notable (Segunda División B), not a Thai international - surprise surprise, article created by a...Thai guy! 2 - i may be dumb as door knob regarding WP technicalities, but at least i tried, the guy i had a run-in at Mendieta with did not even bothered to reply me, no discussion has been started even though i asked Matty (i know that if i start it everybody will just say "talk to the hand", 99,99999999999% of the fellow users that is, i know you always reply), can't do any more i feel... --AL (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

• So you're not going to help me? --AL (talk) 15:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah mate, that...so, The Independent source (#17) that shows his individual honour clearly says that Mendieta was runner-up with Valencia to Real Madrid in the 1999-2000 season. Why should i bother an insert it again when PJ will come and say "It stays out!"? Unless you say "Go ahead AL insert it in the views of that source", then i WILL insert it, believe me.

Thanks --AL (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

• Busted my wikiderriere looking for that and what he "extra" required (U21 honours), if this does not solve it... --AL (talk) 19:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Squad Numbers

Why not remove the squad numbers? The squad numbers are now not valid, when the new squad numbers come out then we can put them on. Also the youth players apart from Brown and Swain have been released I think, if not they are still not a part of the first team are they? They were given squad numbers for last season only.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 11:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

The squad numbers do not count now though. The youth players were only given squad numbers, they are not first team players, they are youth players. Please can you stop changing what I am editing. I am doing nothing wrong. I am sorting it out, we have signed Jason Kennedy and I am trying to add him to the squad and you keep reverting the edit and it's not putting him into the squad.

Do you not have anything better to do than watch for someone to edit the Bradford City page and then revert it so it is the way you like it? Calm down.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 11:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Adding a picture

Mate, how do you add a picture to a players wikipedia page? BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 12:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Was just wondering mate, didn't say I was going to upload one.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Jason Kennedy

Jason Kennedy has signed a two year contract with us. I also provided a link within my edit description.

http://www.bradfordcityfc.co.uk/news/article/kennedy-arrival-889661.aspx

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbcfc/10520637.Bradford_City_make_first_signing/

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 12:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Mate, I put the link of him signing on his page. Can you please stop undoing what I am doing, it is really annoying. You said Kennedy hadn't signed and clicked undo. Why didn't you check first?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It was an error, I understand that. But why didn't you check to see if he had signed before you reverted my edit?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Bradford City are the team you support though, so when you see someone saying that we have signed someone who we have been linked with, would you not check?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 13:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Well if you don't have time to check every edit, why do you always undo nearly every edit I make when there is clearly nothing wrong with it? TBH, I think you don't like the fact that other people are editing the page and you want a sense of control as you have far more edits than some people. Just give it a rest. I apologise for not putting a link in (which I did on Kennedy's page) but I don't edit as regularly as you, therefor I am not used to putting a reason in all the time. As far as I am concerned I broke no rules in removing the squad numbers and the youth players from the first team squad. Don't jump to conclusions on edits, you may not have the time to check if Kennedy had signed, but that also means that you haven't checked to see if it isn't, so how can you rule it out?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 13:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't say "clearly nothing wrong with" which is what you said that I said! Get your facts right mate. Other clubs have removed the squad numbers. The squad numbers that were used during the 2012/13 season where for the 12/13 season only. Then before next season starts the numbers will be released again, there will be some changes and some that stay the same.

Sorry mate, despite reading that about 5 times, I didn't see where I wrote that but I am glad you pointed it out. I will try and edit to a better standard but if there is nothing wrong with the edit (like when Kennedy had signed and you said he hadn't?) can you not undo it please?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

"Undo" meaning clicking undo on the view history section of a page.

Look I can't be bothered to explain it mate, I will try and edit to a better standard. End of.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Theories on the location of New Albion

GiantSnowman, please see "Ideas to include / exclude" and "Merge into New Albion?" for discussion on the appropriate title for this page.

If the core ideas are on the New Albion page, the Fringe Theories can (and does) include all the suggestions over more than a century. If it's "Theories...", how do we determine which of the weak ideas are better than others?MikeVdP (talk) 23:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Taylor Gentry

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Proposed deletion of Taylor Gentry

The article Taylor Gentry has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No google news hits, minimal coverage from any media outlets. Also never played in an NFL game and probably won't due to a failed physical. Fails WP:NSPORTS and most likely WP:GNG.

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Marco van Ginkel

Hello GS. Could you please protect Marco van Ginkel... the transfer has not been formally agreed with Chelsea, but loads of IP edits. The BBC site even says "The player will join Chelsea subject to a medical, agreement of personal terms and legal documentation." Thanks JMHamo (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

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Uwa Elderson Echiéjilé

I am TRULY sorry for reverting you in this guy's article, but you "followed suit", so i guess we're "even" :)

I have now added a ref for his Rennes spell, there you can see he played 42 (more even than the 33 i wrote, mislead by NFT.com) games for RENNES B, only 29 all competitions (19 in league) for RENNES A (just check his CFA totals that appear below each season - CFA is the league where the French amateur teams evolve). I don't see what's the problem in writing he started playing senior football at 16 when the NFT.com link confirms that, but i'm not going to write it again don't worry.

Sorry for any inconvenience again, kind regards --AL (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Relax time

Again, just a bit of a confiding moment, only trying to get a laugh, no actions required. Take a look at my message to User:Kolins (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MonFrontieres&diff=561704638&oldid=561680936), watch the subtlety with which he altered the title of MY (not his, MINE) message.

Not for everyone, hey? Cheers --AL (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

• Not so "relax time": User:Celticgubrath seems to be a Real Oviedo, has created (thus far!) the following non-notable players, Álvaro Cuello and Iván Rubio. The latter was once created (as IVÁN RUBIO CAUDÍN if i'm not mistaken), and deleted!

Keep it up --AL (talk) 20:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: don't know who created it but, speaking of Oviedo, Lucien Owona-Ndong also fails WP:NOTABILITY (only competed in Segunda División B thus far). --AL (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:A.R. Kane

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Just noting

I think I began editing the thread on Eric/Malleus while it was still open, or at least the closure crossed in the mix somehow. Not trying to be difficult there. Just can't believe that I took the 4th of July off and all this drama erupted on such short notice when lot of American-based editors weren't around to defend an editor who was slapped way too hard. Montanabw<sup>(talk)</sup> 17:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

See also http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/04/born_on_the_4th_of_july_story/ --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Darren Freeman

You undid my entry on football manager Darren Freeman stating that there was no citation. You may not realise that this is a very low level of football, semi professional, that does not generally get any media coverage apart from in the local newspapers. I suspect that you will be unable to find any citations online, but you are welcome to try - or else you will have to leave it as an inaccurate article. Darren Freeman is the manager of Whitehawk F.C. and has been for several years now.

PS: apologies for the accidental edits above

• A note: I've reinstated the information into the article, with an official source. There are quite a few references around that prove this, IP - so I'm not sure why you didn't find one. Also, GiantSnowman is highly familiar with football, and this isn't actually as low a level as you professed there. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Roger Palmgren and other Guangzhou R&F staff

There is no report about Roger Palmgren's joining Guangzhou R&F. However, his name has been added on Guangzhou R&F's official website. See Guangzhou R&F Staff --Alexchen4836 (talk) 11:23, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

It took you 3 revisions to put one sentence on my talk page

These are facts. 69.253.171.246 (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Could you clean up this mess?

Hi there. I am on vacation now, but I noticed this. Despite numerous warnings, s/he continue to nominate templates for discussion the wrong way. I have removed those templates nominated today from the June 30 page, but could you do the job of giving him a warning or propose a topic-ban from TfD (whatever you feel is needed, I'd do the latter) and remove the links to the June 30 discussion from the 30-40 templates (or start another discussion if you'd like). Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 10:03, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Mentoz86 (talk) 10:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. We edit conflicted at AN, but I had the same feeling as you - I'm glad you opened a SPI. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Blocked User

Hello there. I came here to get an update on a user who was so horribly unpleasant and rude when I first discovered Wikipedia 5 years ago that I gave up on editing or contributing in any way after a very short time. He was truly one of the most unpleasant, condescending, arrogant, and mean people I have ever dealt with, in person or online. After seeking help from an admin, which resulted in the user being blocked for incivility, he was summarily unblocked by one of his admin friends and continued to harass and belittle me. It was such a bad experience that I have never forgotten his username and I have periodically looked him up. He was blocked by you several months ago for the same nasty behavior I remember and has since stopped editing (and being a horrible person to everyone he came across). In the AN/I, many people commented on what a great editor he is and how valuable his contributions have been, and others pointed out the potential editors that he has chased off over the years. As one of those potential editors, I want to thank you and all of the others who supported the blocking. You guys were right on the money that as a new user who didn't know or understand all of the rules, being treated like that was very intimidating and watching the user get away with it was very frustrating and killed my desire to participate.

EmpressSD80 (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Christian Benteke

Hello GS. Could you please protect Christian Benteke. He's handed in a transfer request at Aston Villa and is getting a lot of IP vandalism because of that. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Qanci

Perhaps you didn't notice that I removed the PROD from that article [34] before an anon replaced it. DGG ( talk ) 00:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Yemen League

I want to know the reason why you've removed the page about Yemen League !!! Isn't true that it contained unreferenced material & incorrect infobox !!! You can check infos on many soccer websites (rsssf, soccerway, etc.). It's incredible that it is the only League page that is empty !!! Furthermore 'Qualification Yemeni League' does't mean anything !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.44.81.164 (talk • contribs)

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So nobody but me thinks TRM isn't conducting personal attacks? Think again and why letting administrators get away with this isn't good. ...William 18:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Not convinced at all that this editor even knows what "personal attack" means here. Even his aviation project colleagues were happy to claim that the edit notice on the disputed list demonstrated ownership despite it being a copy of that on the existing aviation lists and commented on as being OWNership. We've even toned our edit notice down while I see their's are still in full flow. Honestly, and others have noted this, it feels like we're wasting a lot of time with this. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

@WilliamJE:, there was no personal attack there - not even close. Please drop this ASAP. GiantSnowman 08:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

MilborneOne and one other editor disagree. To top matters off, TRM is now being disruptive by tagging things as unreferenced that are referenced. Why is this administrator being allowed to act in this behavior except for that he is an administrator and therefore can't ever be held liable for his actions? Administrators protect their own around here. After all Mark Arsten is still one and Toddst1 can violate WP:INVOLVED without fallout. Rule #1 administrator rule- Protect your own....William 10:01, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

See WP:MINREF. I'm just doing exactly what the aviation project want, i.e. check that clicking through target articles in the unrefernced lists actually reference the claims in the unreferenced list in accordance with WP:MINREF. You can't have it both ways I'm afraid. And now you've resorted to borderline personal attacks claiming I'm acting without WP:COMPETENCE. Nice one. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

William, please provide specific diffs of TRM violating NPA and/or editing disruptively. GiantSnowman 10:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Here [35] and Milborne's reply[36]. Here[37] and here[38] and read the talk page explanation[39]. If he isn't trying to be disruptive and conduct personal attacks, why doesn't he just make ASN a IC instead or try Google News archive and stop making remarks about WP:OWN. He's either being WP:POINTY or fails WP:COMPETENCE....William 10:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Responding to your diffs:

[40] - how on earth is pointing to another, related article a "personal attack"?

[41] - ideally should have been tagged with {{refimprove}} and {{inline}} rather than {{unreferenced}}, but that's a minor issue.

[42] - same.

The other two don't relate to actions by TRM, just responses to them. So again, I'll repeat for the nth time, where are the diffs showing TRM engaging in personal attacks and diruptive editing? GiantSnowman 10:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Just look here[43] You could have found this yourself by looking at the thread instead of pointing out my mistake.

I pointed to his disruptive editing and his continuing WP:OWN assaults. Already pointed to multiple times here or at ANI or in that thread. Ignored constantly. You're protecting him....William 10:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Again, you have provided ZERO evidence of any personal attacks or disruptive editing - either put up or shut up. Seriously. GiantSnowman 10:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Milborne One doesn't agree. This editor don't agree[44] either. A third editor says[45] why don't TRM just fix it. In other words he is being pointy....William 10:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I have already responded to those two editors. It's in "your words", not "other words" that you're accusing me of being pointy and incompetent. Don't try to assume other editors have engaged in personal attacks on me. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand, accusations of pointy or incompetent editing could be interpreted as a personal attack... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:30, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Yep - William, if you don't stop with your baseless accusations (as you have been told multiple times by multiple editors) very sharpish then you could soon find yourself with a short block for disruptive editing and harrassment. GiantSnowman 10:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah here comes the threat of the boomerang by an involved administrator. An administrator insulting a whole project Multiple Times is acceptable repeated times doesn't earn a block but I am some how getting near one? Why didn't this person[46] get one and yet I'm about too? He's an administrator and I'm not. An administrator is allowed to call someone a 'piece of shit' and face no reprucussion. Administrators protect your own....William 10:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Who's the involved administrator, me? No, I have been commentating as an uninvolved admin ever since you ran to ANI with this non-issue and I tried to help. As you were told at ANI, 'insulting' a WikiProject (which didn't actually happen) is not the same as a personal attack - this is something you have been told multiple times. If you cannot see that then you clearly lack the competence to edit here. GiantSnowman 10:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) The ownership link was provided ironically and based on an accusation by one of the aviation project's ownership claim. Which I've linked you to already. Did you read it? Now then, please demonstrate evidence of a personal attack, and refrain from personally attacking me by calling me incompetent and my edits pointed. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Braulio Nóbrega

This surely deserves page protection, but i'm not an admin...

here are my arguments: SECOND TIME that, without one word of explanation, a vandal removes the PERSONAL section where his legal troubles are discussed, duly referenced. His girlfriend, his boyfriend, Braulio himself wrote? Hell who knows, but i'm getting increasingly frustrated!

Seems like a dynamic IP, so no point in sending a message to his "user", even if it was an account i would not dignify them with a word, this is beyond preposterous and downright vandalism!

Kind regards, happy week --AL (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Added another ref to said PERSONAL section, the only "hot" bit that was not sourced. --AL (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Christina Angel article

Hi, when you have a moment, would you mind restoring the Christina Angel article to my Sandbox space here... User:Scalhotrod/Christina_Angel. I'd like to see if I can get it up to standards. Thank you, --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 04:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thank you! --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Demba Ba

Hello GS. Could you please protect Demba Ba. In a pre-season training match he was seen with No. 19 and many IPs are changing his squad number, even though it has not been offifically confirmed by Chelsea. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 09:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

ANI

You mentioned on ANI at that fake professor thread that pretending to be something on wikipedia is unnacceptable. Could you elaborate on that for me please? Is there actually a policy against claiming to be a professor? Thanks, ★★RetroLord★★ 12:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thank you for the article restore. Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

complaint made

I've made a complaint about you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

Thank you for the time to edit my article. I respect your right to disagree, but not your right to censor me.Fussballspieler11 (talk) 22:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, seeing this all over my watchlist reminds me of “Oh, Snowman, what happened to Richard Nixon?”. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you for removing troll's vandalism on my talk page. Very appreciated. NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 02:29, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Middlesbrough and Teesside Philanthropic Foundation

Has been re-created at still has the same concerns. I CSD'd it. Dusti<sup>*poke*</sup> 15:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Help

Could you help me fix everything thats wrong with my article? please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jea968139 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Kengi1982

Clever, clever...this guy created Ernesto Amantegui didn't he? It was duly deleted (and he removed the AFD template before so!) wasn't it? What's the next logical step? Create it AGAIN, under the name Ernesto Poompa!

Also, he updates stats on (at least) Buriram United F.C. players, never a PC update once. Troublesome... Kind regards, happy weekend --AL (talk) 00:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Kwarasey

Per WP:BRD, when I removed your addition of "professional" from Adam Larsen Kwarasey's opening paragraph, shouldn't you have started a discussion instead of reverting me? Mentoz86 (talk) 09:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are incorrect. "Professional" was removed in November 2011 by MarkMysoe, and was not present in the article for 1 1/2 years until you recently readded it. (Yes I know it's been a month, but it's summer :P) Mentoz86 (talk) 10:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

But to start with the D, why can't we have "Ghanaian international" footballer instead of professional? He is more noted for playing for the Ghanaian national team, then for the money he earns in Strømsgodset.Mentoz86 (talk) 10:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Civility Barnstar for Giant Snowmen

		The Civility Barnstar
		Yay for civility, Big Man of Snow! And thank you for being able to retain yours when all I can do at this point is blabber in German which I obviously do not speak (which is to say, thank you for the being the civil today on the thing with the discussion and the dead horse and the hat which I will not be eating I hope 'cause too much fiber yuck!). KDS4444Talk 10:32, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you

and this may sound a stupid question, but would I be correct in believing that we're still supposed to set the infobox as-of date parameter to a date, or date/time, after the player's last appearance, i.e. that using the bare date of the player's last appearance is unacceptable because of its ambiguity? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

That was my understanding also. Please could you tell Vasco, then, because he doesn't listen to me, and he's so prolific and so determined that all Spanish/Portuguese football-related articles are formatted his way that it's a bit concerning. A few recent examples: [47], [48], [49], all of whom last played regular-season matches on the infobox date: sources [50], [51], [52]. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 11:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Ta, Struway2 (talk) 11:31, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

SORRY

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsenalisthebestclubever (talk • contribs) 14:35, 12 July 2013‎ (UTC)

John Rooney stats table

Hello GS. I am watching John_Rooney and I see the (ugly!) stats table was reintroduced by an editor after you removed it previously. I see no references for it, especially the American stuff, so I support you getting rid of it. I think it should be removed again. So that got me wondering....

I had a message from User:Struway2 a few days ago -- I removed an unsourced table from Matt Green - I was following WP:BRD, and saw no issue removing it, so I am wondering, if I see unsourced stats tables, should I tag it for improvement or remove? What would you suggest? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Stats update in box

Just a quick "briefing" here, you can see the rest on Struway's page if you wish (by the way i'm utterly surprised - for lack of a stronger word - with his reaction),

i told him and i repeat it to you now, i DON'T KNOW how to work with the four tildes, only thing i can "offer" is to start writing the date of my edit, which will look similar to the four tildes system.

Wish you a very happy break --AL (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Brian Kidd (again)

Hello GS. Before you leave for your holiday, I want to ask your opinion on the whole Brian Kidd being included in the Template:Manchester City F.C. managers .. Brian Kidd's article has the template included but he doesn't appear, which seems daft to me.

Struway2 made a good point on the the template talk page -

"If the main article for the subject of the navbox (as per WP:NAVBOX guidelines bullet point 4) is List of Manchester City F.C. managers, and that article includes caretakers, then it strikes me as inconsistent and possibly misleading for the navbox not to do the same."

Could you make a call on this and update the template talk page with your Admin decision? Template_talk:Manchester City F.C. managers

Here's the FOOTY discussion again - WT:WikiProject Football/Archive 79#Brian Kidd inclusion on Man City managers Template if you need it. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

KENGI update - statistics bit

So that i was at piece with myself, wrote this guy (who does not know English or DOES NOT CARE) a message to help him and guide him with the PC update in box (even though it seems to be consensus pretty much i know nothing about that :(), then proceeded to see where he was at (i.e. Javier Patiño)...voilá, he's reverting everything i did!

Close to 3RR, help please! --AL (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• By all means man, don't know what is it with these "users" inserting tables with the stats of JUST THEIR CLUB of preference! Ah, and Kengi continues to revert me AFTER my message, i've done the same! --AL (talk) 15:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, you have to go by the book with that message. But don't worry, i have stopped with the warring, hopefully you will block Mr.Kengi when he continues won't you (go to the talkpage? What for, when this "user" does not reply to one simple individual message?)? ONE? make it 200 (all users in his talkpage combined)! --AL (talk) 15:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• Important notification: Kengi reverted me again, kind of, what did he do after my message? He updated the NT update (for national teams!) and wrote some "English" in storyline. I have written another message telling him which box field is the correct for club. Can i do some changes in storyline or is that also considered edit-warring? --AL (talk) 15:20, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Look, i am sorry for continuing with the undue use of rollback (i'll quickly admit it, i comply with less than 5% of the WP guidelines), but i say like Struway once said here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:202.170.60.251), i too have assumed just about enough good faith, and this guy is being a real nuisance. What did i discover in Jesús Berrocal? His English skills must be very close to ZERO: he scored one goal and it's a brace, and a 2-1 win is a thrashing! How on earth are we going to get through to this guy and "not bite the newbies" when he will not understand? Cheers. --AL (talk) 15:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Serves you right

for announcing your upcoming holiday. At this rate you'll need it :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

New tournament articles

Hey, GS, if you have a moment, could you take a look at a bunch of new articles created about a tournament? An entry point to see at least some of the articles is here. I came across this because one of them was tagged for speedy deletion. The tag was wrong (G11), but I wasn't sure about an A7. Then I saw that this was just one article of many, and here I am. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Patrick N'Koyi

N'Koyi came as refugee to the Netherlands when he was four years old. Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean reeds (talk • contribs) 10:15, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Yehezkel Chazom

Hi, Those stats are from newspapers in israel (pre-season magazines etc.), i cant provide an online source, but those stats are correct. Hazum is Hapoel's second best goal scorer of all times, and those stats are shown in many places. 79.176.101.187 (talk) 10:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Kengi1982 updates (and apologies)

SNOWY, how's that break going?

kudos for the deletion, re-kudos for the block (icing on the cake). My reasons for reaching out to Matty? 1 - I did not notice the article being re-created, so i thought that was the original Ernesto Poompa, and i thought that, when you wrote that first message to me saying "Deleted and warned", you had actually intended to delete it but eventually forgot, i NEVER doubted your professionalism and approach; 2 - i did not reach Matty thinking "Snowman did not work well here, let's try Matty", i wanted to lighten your "wiki-burden" since you're supposed to be resting, but i forgot to write that reason in my original message to Matty, have done so now.

Finally, all's end that ends well (deletion and block), regards and rest well --AL (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Joshuaforest

Man can't stop bothering you, but this is important,

this guy has a new sock, User:Dma94, see here as he does his favorite thing, add numbers to honours even if it's only ONE (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ra%C3%BAl_Albiol&diff=next&oldid=562817652). Also, the blocked Forest account also seems to have taken to telling people politely dropping by in that talkpage to "Shut up and go away" (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joshuaforest&diff=562251000&oldid=562249867).

Keep it up --AL (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French football transfers winter 2013

Hi there. I want you to check out my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French football transfers winter 2013, and check if you still think it would be a good thing to delete this article. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary football navboxes

Hey GiantSnowman! Can you help me discuss about football navboxes here, here, here and here. Banhtrung1 (talk) 02:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Planet Asia

Template:Planet Asia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • <sup>(What did I screw up now?)</sup> 06:18, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Graham Nicholls Article

Hello, I noticed that you've tagged the Graham Nicholls article as it cites primary sources etc. When I looked at the sources they seemed mostly media like the BBC, Telegraph, and Daily Express, plus some websites. The article was also previously nominated for deletion, but kept. So I thought maybe you could let me know what you think is wrong with the article and maybe we can come to an agreement on some changes. Solar (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Nicholas Latifi

Hi, I would like to recreate the page Nicholas Latifi as he is currently active in two professional series which as seen here. Will it be ok? MbahGondrong (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Dear Giant snow man...

My name is Ghamgen, I work in Butterfly Magazine which is the most popular Magazine for children in North of Iraq (Kurdistan -Sulaimani).. I have translated the article into English, But two days ago I have seen that you are deleted the English article of the Magazine, I don't know what was the reason??? http://ckb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%BE%DB%95%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%88%D9%84%DB%95_(%DA%AF%DB%86%DA%A4%D8%A7%D8%B1)

If you want more informations.... this is FB page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pepule-%D9%BE%D9%80%D9%80%D9%80%D9%80%DB%95%D9%BE%D9%80%D9%80%D9%88%D9%88%D9%84%D9%80%D9%80%D9%80%DB%95/157644537705337 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghamgeen (talk • contribs) 11:46, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Official website... http://www.ksc-kcf.org/kurdish/category/papula/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghamgeen (talk • contribs) 11:49, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Here's to you mate, welcome back! AL (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

ENTHOI Lakatamia FC

I stopped editing in Wikipedia for some years ago. The main reason I did was because the Encyclopedia was full of non-notable articles which were approved by the administrators and users. I proposed a lot of articles but were never approved for deletion any of them.

Since I love football a lot, I edited a lot of football articles. I also proposed a lot of players who hadn't done any important career but they were not approved for deletion. The reason was that those players had played at the Cypriot First Division, despite that they did during the amateur era of that football when it was very law level.

I also proposed for deletion some football clubs which HAD NEVER PLAYED even in the Greek Third League and they were playing in the Greek Amateur local leagues, lower than 4th league! The big majority REJECTED my purpose.

As I said that was the main reason I left Wikipedia. Tonight I just joined after a long time the Wikipedia and I saw your note for proposing an article for deletion. It was for the article I created, EN ThOI Lakatamias, a Cypriot football club playing in the Second League of Cyprus. When I wrote the article the club was playing for the Cypriot First Division, the top level of the country. Comparing the cases I told you at the previous paragraphs, it is obvious rediculus to delete the article.

I understand that I didn't answer for discussion, however I think such purposes must be proposed by people who have an idea about a subject and more specifically in that case, the football. If you have an idea about that sport, at least you should have read the article first. If you did, at least you would had seen that it was writing "they reached the Cypriot First Division for first time in 2005". Please bring back the article ENTHOI Lakatamia FC.

--KRBN (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement - 22 July 2013 to 28 July 2013

posted by Northamerica1000<sup>(talk)</sup> 10:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added an opt-in section for those interested in receiving TAFI notifications on the project's main page, located here. Those that don't opt-in won't receive this message again. Also, a revised notification template has been created, located at Template:TAFI weekly selections notice. Northamerica1000<sup>(talk)</sup> 05:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Christian Cueva

This has been confirmed by Chelsea. Sorry for my mistake of not putting ref. http://www.chelseafc.com/news-article/article/3325596/title/blues-seal-cuevas-signing

Bradford City away kit

Mate, do you know when the Bradford City away kit will be put onto the Wiki page?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 18:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Soccerdatabase.eu

I'm curious, is the problem with the website that they violate copyrights or that it is inaccurate? On the second issue, I've found them to be a little more accurate than soccerstats.com and about as good as nasljerseys.com when it comes to American players. It seems a shame not to use accurate data just because we don't like the website that contains the data. Mohrflies (talk) 21:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Templates for discussions

Hey, when will they be closed? They have discussed over one week. Banhtrung1 (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Non-standard stats tables

Hello GS, welcome back, I hope you had a nice break away from the virtual world. Question for you.. could you please look at Stephen Quinn. Do you think the stats table here should be removed for being non-standard and unreferenced? I am seeing a lot of tables like this and wonder what to do with them, many not having been updated for a long time. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 09:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Munier Raychouni

This is a heads up

You prodded[53] this article because it has no references. The article creator took down the prod but provided no reference in the process. I discovered this and restored the PROD. This editor has done similarly to Mohamad Atwi which I prodded....William 13:41, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Any editor can remove a PROD template for any/no reason - but they cannot remove a BLPPROD template without adding a reliable source. I have therefore re-removed the normal PROD from Munier Raychouni; the BLPPROD remains. I have also warned the editor in question about removing templates, they have also been warned previously. Regards, GiantSnowman 13:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I know the difference. He's created a few unreferenced biographies not just the one you proded. Just wanted to let you know....William 13:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes but you also restored the PROD when restoring the BLPPROD. Once a PROD has been removed that is it. GiantSnowman 13:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

A possible sockpuppet taking down a speedy deletion

Vashishth anand saini was created three times, all by this editor[54], who appears to be who the article is written about. Twice the article was deleted. The third time around I was the one to CSD it. All of a sudden an editor with no previous history[55] comes along and takes down the CSD. This article should be SALTed....William 13:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Jijidae derby

As you know, Jijidae derby covered same contents of Super Match. After discussion, Many user want to delete, But only user Fetx2002 desperately oppose. Maybe He creaated Jijidae derby. Finally Jijidae derby is deleted but User Fetx2002 created same article again. Please delete Jijidae derby and Warn User Fetx2002Footwiks (talk) 13:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Nathan Curtis

Nathan Curtis is a part of the youth team as far as I am aware, last season he was given a squad number so he could play in a FA Cup tie. I don't think he needs to be in the current squad section, maybe start a youth team section?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 11:31, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Well I am willing to contact the club to confirm the nationalities of these players?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 11:35, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok mate, I will email the club soon, we probably won't find anything out until Monday. What's a skeleton on here?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 11:42, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok mate, thanks. I will add the positions the youth players that I know and will get it all confirmed by the club.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Right mate, I have been supplied the list of youth players positions and nationalities. I will update it now, how can I confirm the edit?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 13:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement

A crewed submersible used for underwater exploration Hello, GiantSnowman: The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections. Exploration Posted by: Northamerica1000(talk) 00:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013

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Category:English slave traders and slave holders

It was merged[56] into 'Category:British slave traders' but an editor unhappy with that result has recreated the category and keeps recategorizing[57] one article into it. I nominated the category for deletion under G4. Maybe you would like to deep six it and have a word with this editor....William 18:08, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Quebec National Soccer Team

Hi,

I appreciate your recent review of the Quebec national soccer team. Firstly, I disagree with moving the page to "official" from "national" because nation and state are not interchangeable terms and Quebec does indeed meet the qualifications of a nation. However, I am really wondering why you believe the article does not meet notibility requirements for sports articles but these teams do. Thank you.

--Gri3720 (talk) 04:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Lucy Fleming

This is purely out of curiosity. Unreferenced information in biographies of living people used to be just flagged with the possibility of removal. I assume from Lucy Fleming that the policy is now to remove every scrap of unreferenced information from every article about living people. If this is implemented universally, it will considerably reduce the usefulness of Wikipedia, since most unreferenced information is not likely to cause damage. In particular I cannot see that much harm could be done in leaving an unreferenced filmography in place. JMcC (talk) 07:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I am genuinely surprised by your response. It was not my intention to be aggressive and I still find it hard to see anything that contravenes WP guidelines. As I said it was just curiosity. I honestly thought that things had moved on and that zapping all unreferenced material in living biographies was now official policy. It seemed a shame and so I wrote. I had just assumed that you are more au fait with the myriad of WP:XXs than I am. Should I now believe it was just a simple error on your part? JMcC (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Oliver McBurnie

Yesterday Oliver McBurnie (the youth team striker) played for Manchester United in the Milk Cup, he is on work experience for them, is this appearance enough to start a Wikipedia page about him?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

The Milk Cup is a youth tournament though?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 16:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok mate.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Kemy Agustien

Agustien has signed a two-year deal with Brighton, which is awaiting confirmation from the Welsh FA (why do they always take ages to confirm deals?). Agustien has himself updated his Twitter details and uploaded a further photograph to Instagram of his new training kit but I shall not alter his article until official sourced confirmation is released.

Further on from this, can I request that the football kits on the Brighton & Hove Albion F.C. page be updated, changing kit templates is unfortunately something I haven't yet mastered.RM-Taylor (talk) 14:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Kenny Davenport

<ref name="firstfootballleaguegoal"> is a BBC source, so User:Egghead06 is correct. <ref name="firstleaguegoalother"> is the Telegraph source. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:24, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Evan Finnegan PROD?

Do you think Evan Finnegan should be PROD? I don't think he's notable. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Problems with one user

Hi GS, I hope you´re having a nice summer and that all is fine with you.

Regarding editing, there is one annoying user messing around the lists of notable players and former coaches in almost all club articles of countries of former Yugoslavia. They add enormous lists of players without any criteirum, and they seem not to speak English and understand the inclusion criteriums. Another anoying thing he does is to add nicknames into players/coaches links thus unlinking them. I already left him messages explaining things, but he ignores and din´t ever responded, and just kept on doing the same. Also, he never ever added a single source for any of his edits. I didn´t had much time lately, and I hoped he would understand and with time start doing things right, but unfortunaltely not.

These are the accounts he uses:

• Zeljko80
• 79.143.171.57

Just by seing his contributions you can hardly see any usefull edits, and a hell lot of useless stuff like enormous large lists of former players without any criterims, and delinking players and coaches links by adding the nicknames as he seems not to even understand what "link" is. These can be some exemples:

• Adding players which clearly don´t belong to the criteriums of inclusion, or another typical edit of his
• FK Modriča, just see the former players section. Yes, he adds every player he knows and he did this to every club article he edited.
• See the Zmago Sagadin coach case and how he delinks article by adding the silly nickname, not even knowing the logic why he does that

I already left him messages, I see other people did as well. I hoped he would get tired or start to understand how things work, but unfortunatelly he didn´t and he left a hell lot of work of cleaning behind him. What to do GS? FkpCascais (talk) 16:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The missfrtune is that I don´t have much free time lately, and it is a petty to loose time reverting all his edits. The problem is also the ammount of edits he does, and it would be needed at least some hours to return all things as they were before. I could (and will) do that, but unfortunatelly there is almost a garantee that next day the task will continue. I´ll see what happends and I´ll see if I can menage to solve it somehow... Kind regards :) FkpCascais (talk) 17:03, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

He just keeps on doing the same now with his IP account -_- FkpCascais (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

The same exact editing patterns, same enormous former players list, inability to read inclusion criteriums and respect them, inability to use columns, neither one responds to talk pages, adds nicknames to links thus delinking player/coach articles, neither one of "them" edits basically anything else. If you just click 3 or 4 contributions of one and then of another one you´ll see it all. FkpCascais (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

For instance, take a look. Sometimes he seems to forget to log in and just edits as IP. He is from Bosnia, and added this enormous lists to most Bosnian clubs (specially the most obscure ones) but he streached his interest to all former Yugoslavia clubs, and often even goas further. And the main problem is that he ignores everyone (zero communication till now, and he has been here for some months now) and simply keeps on adding and adding players to the lists. FkpCascais (talk) 01:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

He seems to be Bosnian Serb as he made a major effort in expanding lists of mainly Bosnian Serb clubs, and even the name Zeljko is Serbian, and I am a Serb, so don´t think GS that this is some ethnic issue or something. I even had simpathy in the begining for him and though that would be good to have someone expanding those obscure club articles. However he is doing nothing else but makng these enormus lists, now to even main clubs from the region, and as he doesn´t respond and doesn´t change at all his edit pattern, he ends up being mainly damage. I made an effort some time ago to make short lists of only players with NT appearances to many of those clubs, and he messes them up all. FkpCascais (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I just saw what happend. He just continued doing the same, didn´t he? And zero communication. Lets see if he at least starts to make an effort to understand that wp is not his playgound to add every player he knows. Thanks a lot, he has been quite disruptive for long time now. FkpCascais (talk) 00:54, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case

I'm not done yet. Here's the true attempt. TheShadowCrow (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

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Signing off

Hi there Snowy, AL "here",

please read this message i sent to fellow wiki-boss User:Mattythewhite (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattythewhite#Reply_-_Others), the part that starts with "On an unrelated note...".

Have a great one (and if Matty can't salt my user and talkpage, please do so), keep it up i know you will :) --AL (talk) 14:18, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration case declined

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Diego da Silva Costa

Good morning GS. Could you please protect Diego da Silva Costa to stop the "he has joined Liverpool" / "he hasn't joined Liverpool" farce. Thanks. John. JMHamo (talk) 06:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there valid justification to protect the page now? A lot of IP vandalism since I sent you this message this morning :) Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 14:34, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding WP:3RR.. I understand it but I thought that reverting vandalism was exempt, especially if there's a BLP violation, I would not revert something that was kosher. JMHamo (talk) 14:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

If there is no reliable source provided, what then? Anyway, I know where you're coming from and I hope you know that all my edits are in good faith. I will always contact you or another Admin if I see something getting out of hand. JMHamo (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Size matters

Ha, SparkNotes already existed, though I didn't know about it until I got to the US, in 1995. Now, of course, they're online, as is that other one, forgot the name. Cliff Notes. Now, this complaint is a tad on the long side, but note that the three people claiming it was too long weren't even admins. (Yes, I'm somewhat elitist.) I think that if something's too long for you (I know how this sounds) you shouldn't...well, try to take it in, so to speak. Note also that a summary of the argument did not entice them to actually join the discussion. So, if "SparkNotes" points to an allegory, then the upshot is that our kids aren't reading any more/anymore. Also, happy (belated) birthday, you beautiful Yorkshire man. (I am trying to make sure I'm an equal-opportunity offender.) Drmies (talk) 14:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Random act of kindness

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Squad Numbers

Four your info only, all Premiership and Championship sides must have squad numbers under new rules. It is optional for League one and below.Blethering Scot 20:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker)I thought all Football League clubs had to have squad numbers? Is there a source for the above statement? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:23, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) He means in Scotland. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Was in relation to this edit, in particular the edit summary.Blethering Scot 20:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

@Blethering Scot: - good to hear from you again. I suspected they might use squad numbers - it's a sign of professionalism after all - but there's nothing on the Accies' website confirming them. GiantSnowman 20:46, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Clint Dempsey

Hello GS. Could you please keep an eye on Clint Dempsey.. there has already been an edit war between two editors, breaking the 3RR. I have a feeling this could happen again. JMHamo (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Jordan Pickford

Could you please reinstate Jordan Pickford. He made his league debut for Burton today. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of article

Why was article on Desmond Ravenstone deleted? References and links were provided, and the subject has been noteworthy in areas of both religion and sexuality. Sboitano (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please restore, and please provide more specific information as to what is required. Thank you Sboitano (talk) 15:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Mergim Hereqi

Hi there GS. Would you be kind and elaborate your reasoning behind this edit? I don't understand what you by "DENY" in the edit-summary. The IP made a change to the article, with a source that supports his change - just the way we would want every IP in the world to do it. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I am aware of that banned users' contributions should be reverted, even though WP:DENY doesn't mention anything about that. On the other hand, how do you know that this IP is used by Zombie433? Mentoz86 (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

If that is "of course", why isn't that written in WP:DENY? And if this is an clear case of WP:DUCK, were Zombie433 blocked for contributing positively? Mentoz86 (talk) 19:32, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

So if I understand you correct - you revert contributions from good-faith editors, because they are editing from the same area as a previous vandal? Cause their editing pattern can obviously not be the same, since this IP are contributing positively? Mentoz86 (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not defending a notorious vandal, I'm questioning your "commonsense" that says that this is Zombie433. What I see is an IP with positively contributions (and since when did Zombie understand Norwegian?). I'm going to revert your revertal of these edits, and if you have any question with either of these edits you should threat them as mine contributions. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I haven't, but I've looked through the edits from the IP you reverted and I realized that they was positve contributions: This edit updated Hereqi's article after his transfer to a new club, and added three citations in Norwegian to the article (even though the user in question isn't an expert on citation templates). This edit updated an article about a Finnish football club that hasn't been updated since 2010 and even adds a citation in Finnish. This edit is similar to the first one, updates a player-article after a transfer and adds two citations to a fullname.

You said that this IP's editing pattern was similar to the blocked user - I then asked if Zombie were contributing positively, cause these three edits are some of the better contributions I've seen from an IP in some time. Would you mind elaborate why the editing pattern is the same (except that they are editing from the same area of the world)? Mentoz86 (talk) 20:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, I guess it is obvious that it is looks like a sock - thank you for teaching me about this guy :) Mentoz86 (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Zeljko80 is back

Zeljko80 is back with his IP adress, see 79.143.171.57. Ssame indiscriminate addition of players and coaches. Just see the enormous lists of former players he made on those articles... I´ll try tonight to fix all those lists of all those clubs and include them some inclusion criterium (nt appearances I guess would be the best using NFT as source) and fixed them all. FkpCascais (talk) 22:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 14:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Curtis Osano

Hi GiantSnowman,
can you please check is Curtis Osano's first nationality is English or Kenyan.
Thanks
DebTheGangulian (talk) 05:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Tony Anthony (evangelist)

Hi, I don't know if it is necessary to put refs in infoboxes if the info has references in the article text. Can't find any explicit policy about it, other than a bit in WP:CITEFOOT that's not clear. A number of other bios seem to omit them - Tony Blair and Bill Gates for example. Obviously, with this subject, his birth date and name are significant to the scandal, but I'm still not sure duplicate refs are needed. I've put a query on WT:CITE SmilingFace (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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LOL indeed

Hi there Snowman, i'm back,

i say that in the title because everytime i walked away from WP i seriously had the intention of leaving (too much - self-induced? - stress), but, being i the loner with no hobbies that i am (maybe an amateur poet and that's it!), i knew i could not. I broke my own WP:Primadonna record, but it was still less than one week :)

I trained for a few days as anon, and now i think i am ready to: 1 - stop feeding the trolls; 2 - write 100% encyclopedical summaries. I will try to lighten my burden (thus the stress) from now on by editing exclusively on SPANISH/PORTUGUESE (or based in those countries) footballers.

Whistle if you need anything, cheers --AL (talk) 18:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

• Yes please. --AL (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Kyle Bartley

Hello. Another time, please could you wait until the game is over before updating the career stats table. They've just gone into extra time, so Mr Bartley could (and, from my point of view, hopefully will) score a hat-trick before it finishes. Same applies to Agustien: Brighton/Newport are still playing. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Mr Bartley's just scored the first of his hat-trick... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that

Its fine that you removed my edit. I don't have any source except that I went to school there haha. People don't need to know that haha. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.205.164 (talk) 01:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Adnan Zahirović

You, quit removing sourced content in order to boost the edit count of your wikipedia account. Which is, as I understand it, considered vandalism. You also never questioned the reliability of any of the sources as you only removed a subsection while leaving the cited sources in the article. In your recent cover up (nice try removing references after the removing the as you claim unsourced content it was the source for), you still missed the primary source for the subsection the first time you did it (which was National-Football-Teams.com). But hey, what can an unregistered user with no edit-count to her/his name do against the massive postcount of the oh-so-great GiantSnowman... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.140.53.45 (talk) 09:45, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Liverpool F.C. copyright images

Hello GS. Could you please have a look at Sebastián Coates for example, there is a user changing all the Liverpool player articles to use copyrighted images. Could you please warn? I will revert them. How do you request that uploaded copyrighted images are deleted? JMHamo (talk) 12:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for correcting these, I've noticed what I've done wrong and I'll look to amend these properly in the future. Max Runacres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxrunacres (talk • contribs) 12:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 7

Hi, GiantSnowman. A user has opened TFD at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 6#Template:Czech Republic U–18 Squad 1996 Quarée–Cup already. Sawol (talk) 12:46, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Akeem Adams

Hello, The transfer notification on Ferencvárosi TC official page:

http://www.fradi.hu/hu/labdarugas/nb-i/hirek/akeem-adams-alairt/20130807/c/4434

Kemenymate (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Fabol-lebnen

I was hoping to get your input at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Loubnan. One of the key questions is a potential link beween Fabol-lebnen (talk · contribs) and Loubnan (talk · contribs). As one of the principal editors involved in dealing with Fabol-lebnen's inappropriate edits, I suspect you have some insight that could useful to the investigation. Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Accusations

I made no accusations about anyone. I suggest you put up and shut up. 70.235.85.119 (talk) 19:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

C'mon, just get over it. You clearly have experience of Wikipedia, and clearly have an interest in this very very specific dispute. Quack! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Zeljko80 and his endless addition of stuff continues

79.143.171.57 he added again a player with no NT caps to FK Bečej when the inclusion criterium is clearly stated in the section. He either doesn´t care or he doesn´t understand it. Besides that, he has been adding external links to cities of Serbia, but the links are all but usefull, local tv stations, newspappers, etc. with no value whatsoever to the articles. Another user already left him a message... Zeljko80 really has some sort of compulsion to add stuff to lists -_- FkpCascais (talk) 12:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. I really hate to see editors being blocked but here seems inevitable as he doesn´t communicate at all with no one, and ignores everything and keeps the same pattern. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Question..

If someone continues to put incorrect numbers on a page like someone's doing on Juninho, then does that count as a genre change or just vandalism because I don't want to warn anybody by using the wrong template? – Michael (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Giovanni Conti (Painter)

I object to your deletion of this page using the PROD method. a) I objected to your deletion. b) the page was linked to another prominent 19th century painter. c) I indicated the notability was based on the author's inclusion in a guide to prominent painters of the 19th century and his participation in major art exhibitions in Italy at the time.

Your removal of this page was inappropriate and does not follow the guidelines set forth in PROD, that state PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected. I opposed please see the talk page for the article. I have requested that the article be undeleted.Rococo1700 (talk) 23:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I removed the banner on Notability on Tito Moretti. I recently criticized User:GiantSnowman for inappropriately deleting an article using PROD or Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, when I had opposed such a deletion. This did not follow Wikipedia procedures.

Now I find that nearly all my submissions including this one have notability banners.

I am sorry, but anyone who has a public retrospective exhibit funded by the city in which he worked nearly a hundred years after his death has more notability, for example, than the hundreds of thousands of soccer athletes listed in Wikipedia. This is one of User:GiantSnowman's main interest. This is an example of Editors gone wild. Tito Moretti's artwork was a major "permanent" modification of the Perugia Cathedral that has been standing nearly a thousand years. To me that is far more notability than fancy footwork or goals, as an example. User:GiantSnowman's recent editing does not follow guidelines, and seems to be prodded by some animus.

Giantsnowmen also claims this is "poorly referenced", but the article references three independent sources that cite Moretti, including Angelo de Gubernatis, a writer regarding 19th century authors who had been recognized by the Encyclopedia Brittanica, 11th edition. How does that make this "poorly referenced"?

It is this type of mindset, that criticism of one action leads to the editor User:GiantSnowman to randomly or inappropriately place notability and refimprove banners on my submissions when I criticize him. I am trying to improve the coverage by Wikipedia of 19th century Italian artists, not only the few main ones in the main cities, but provincial ones. I typically seek to find two different citations of their work in non-commercial sites, but I give more weight to citations that have withstood the attention of time. Again we are not talking of contemporary painters, but artists, many of whom are not alive and lived a hundred years ago. Anyone of us should be so lucky to have our name cited in any way, a hundred years hence.

Ultimately, I am going to request that User:GiantSnowman have supervision over these edits, since they clearly changed in frequency since I pointed out his failure to follow the normal procedure for deletion. Rococo1700 (talk) 14:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

You wrote:

WP:TLDR - but my placements were not random. Many of the articles only have one reference - hence why I tagged them with refimprove. None of them appear to meet WP:GNG - hence why I tagged them with notability. If there are more references out there then please add them. If the individuals are notable then pleae show that. GiantSnowman 15:25, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with GiantSnowman's assertions about notability. I stand by my assertion that he appears to have applied this without much thought. To me its plain that it is so. Lets take for example, Niccola Cinafanelli. The guidelines of notability that you refer to at WP:GNG are clearly met. I recommend you read these again.

1) Significant coverage: Is the subject in the source addressed directly in detail? Yes. Is this subject receive more than a trivial mention in the source? Yes.

2) Reliable Is the source verifiable? yes. The source of the book is provided. The source of the information, Enrico Guglielmo Saltini's book is used by many sources as a guide of Tuscan painters of this period. An example of this can clearly be seen from a Googlebook search of the name, which shows that this author's book is quoted in at least: a) European Sculpture, 1400-1900, in the Metropolitan Museum of Art ‎Ian Wardropper - 2011 b) Elementary Instructions for Students of Sculpture: Francesco Carradori - 2002 c) Renaissance Papers: 2006 - Christopher J. Cobb, ‎M. Thomas Hester - 2007

3) Sources While multiple sources would be preferable, in a stub about a painter from the early 19th century, this is not as easy. However the source is a secondary source as required. 4) Independent of the subject The source is clearly so.

So in the case of Niccola, all but the fact that multiple sources were no stated, the topic does meet notability guidelines. I recommend that GiantSnowman review these. Again the other point is that one can also verify some of his work by researching the areas in which he has worked, including the Tribune of Galileo at the Specola Museum.

Now lets review the case of Francesco Nenci Now here is a case of someone who does have two sources, including a posthumous biography, which is also verifiable, reliable, secondary, independent (unless Nenci was a ghost writer), and significant coverage. So for this one there was no reason why that article would not have met notability by WP:GNG. So I disagree with his statement above. It is not factual.

Again these notability banners were placed after I reversed what was an inappropriate PROD deletion by GiantSnowman. As I encouraged him to review, you should not use PROD in contested deletions.

Ultimately, these actions raise an ethical issue about some Wikipedia editors. Again we need a system in which the responsibility of editors is not to force someone like me demonstrate obvious notability. I think it should be the responsibility of GiantSnowman to show non-notability, and not just in the cursory, nonsourced way that he did. GiantSnowman creates a climate where the positive contributions require more work than his ability to make nuisance negative contributions. Again nuisance behabior is what I consider his role with respect to these notability banners, based on the reasons stated above. The two examples above clearly dispute his claim of non-notability. Thus he failed in diligence. My recommendation is that GiantSnowman show much greater restraint, or others need to review his activities in applying the banner, and apply the banner only when the item truly does not meet WP:GNG. Rococo1700 (talk) 01:41, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Samara James

Hi GiantSnowman, Please point me to the "Expired PROD" for Samara James? Thank you. —JOHNMOORofMOORLAND (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I supposed that someone nominated it for PROD|deletion, I am hoping you could tell me the date it was tagged, because I did not see it on my last check, else I would have opposed it. I am saying that the PROD was wrongly used, AfD should have been appropriate, because there is opposition. Please restore. —JOHNMOORofMOORLAND (talk) 13:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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OK, thank you. —JOHNMOORofMOORLAND (talk) 15:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Please restore the talk page too. Thank you. —JOHNMOORofMOORLAND (talk) 15:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again. Working on it now. —JOHNMOORofMOORLAND (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Wuthering Heights (band)

It seems that this article had been deleted on April 7 under PROD and its sub articles under G8, but the main article has now been restored while the sub articles have not. Please restore these sub articles as the restoration of their main article which had been deleted under PROD invalidates the reason for their deletion, unless I misunderstand the policies involved. Glixx (talk) 22:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

TSV 1865 Dachau

Hello GS,

After the discussion yesterday, I decided to go ahead and added the German sports club above as an article and connected the link to the Deutsche Wikipedia article since that they basically share the same details. I'm planning to add more to it by translating it then put the best English grammar to make it encyclopedic as much as possible. Also the links are attached, and maybe today or tomorrow, I will add the references link :) Hisakiwa21 (talk) 13:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey GS, I added the history of the club, but we have a problem... the Deutsche Wikipedia has a club infobox I want to carry from the Deutsche Wikipedia part over to the English Wikipedia, but as I searched for the templates of a sports club infobox, there was none! What should I do? you can check the link of the German Wikipedia in the TSV Dachau article. Hisakiwa21 (talk) 14:32, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You want {{infobox football club}}. Cheers, BigDom (talk) 15:14, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey GS, I will use that but I am only worried about the other WikiProject Footall and Basketball that may said that it is not notable just because they don't have notable basketball or football teams, but have a successful taeknowdo history with world cup champions and the olympic medalists? Hisakiwa21 (talk) 21:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Added the Taekwondo section, I'm a little bit concerned about the wording and grammar when I'm translating German to English, could you please help cleaning the grammar up a little bit in the Taekwondo section? :) Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Added the Association Football section, I can only find one reference for the association football section from the Deutsche Wikipedia section of the article, but other than that, I'm sure if you read it, there was a plenty of the other Wikipedia article to support the notability of the TSV 1865 Dachau as a sports club. I will add the football-club inbox later. Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Christian Cueva

Hello GS, I removed some information for Christian Cueva, because the information I saw there was a rumor which was believed to be truth, but Christian Cueva never actually signed with Ponte Preta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Demavior (talk • contribs) 18:39, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I think you made a small mistake. The news piece said the he was going to play along Luis Ramirez, who was confirmed as a new signing. Christian Cueva was never confirmed as a signing. In the second paragraph, it says that he will arrive in Brazil and sign for the team, which never happend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Demavior (talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am a native Spanish speaker. That is what it said. You can check it out by translating the website to English. He was linked and very close to sign with the team but at the list minute the team decided to go against the decision to signing him as you can see in this news piece It is in Spanish as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Demavior (talk • contribs) 19:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, it looks good. Demavior (talk) 19:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Jessy Reindorf

How can he possibly be Rwandan? Just because you play for a country's team doesn't make you that nationality. Expat means they have left the country in which they were born. Next you'll be saying that wee treacherous sh*te Aiden McGeady is Irish! I'm eligible for England, doesn't make me English! Salty1984 (talk) 21:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you know heehaw about football, full stop. Check half the countries in the Middle East where there are numerous cases of African players taking out passports in exchange for thousands of dollars. The grandparent rule is also a ridiculous one, just because your granny is Irish, doesn't make YOU Irish, for example. Fouad Bachirou is eligible to play for the Comoros, but if he played a game for them are you saying he'd be a Comoran expat? No, cos I doubt he's even been there before! Salty1984 (talk) 17:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

un-delete request of Constantinos Laifis

because of this notice im asking from you directly permission to 'restart' or if its possible to have the following page undeleted A page with this title has previously been deleted.

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   09:27, 9 August 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page Constantinos Laifis (Expired PROD, concern was: unsourced BLP)

according to uefa Constantinos Laifis made his debut on a european game against Gefle if. According to wikipedia rules, this player can have a page. thanks Argento1985 05:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

• I've AfDed the article, because I believe Argento1985 has misinterpreted the guidelines. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

James Georgeff

Hello - The "james georgeff" page is the referenced bio of a professional soccer player. It is very neutral in my opinion and most everything is referenced as per guidelines. If anything, please let me know what to edit. I am not directly related or very close to the athlete. Should you need documentation of my personal details, I would be happy to share over secure, non public source. Thank you. p.s. sorry if I am replying in the wrong medium :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.45.0.68 (talk) 08:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Ka-pow

Your edit a day or two back to Étienne Capoue seems at odds with your "Yep, it ain't done till it's done" comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Football_transfers. Maybe the rules have changed since I was a lad, but it used to be Wikipedia didn't list them as being at the new club until officially so. Although likely to happen soon, it appears Capoue is not yet officially signed up at Tottenham as there are T's to cross and I's to dot. Sources only say a deal has been agreed. Not signed sealed and delivered ClubOranje<sup>T</sup> 09:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Soccerdatabse.eu

No problem, the links were only citations for player stats (which are correct data, but otherwise unavailable online). If playerhistory.com ever gets back online, I can restore the citations to point there. Is there somewhere this soccerdatabase.eu/playerhistory.com situation has been discussed on WP, just so I can read up on the background to it, etc.? --DaveG12345 (talk) 10:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Great, thanks!--DaveG12345 (talk) 11:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Samej1902

Thank you for the link. My editing is terrible - I am a beginner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samej1902 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Sam Blacketer

I point you to this [58] and this [59]. A Google search will bring you to a website I'm not allowed to mention on here.

I'd be more than happy to remove the accusations on the admin page, however. I just want shut of this whole affair. I can't go through another tit-for-tat. doktorb <sub>words</sub><sup>deeds</sup> 09:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

It feels like *I* am getting bullied for something *he* has done wrong. doktorb <sub>words</sub><sup>deeds</sup> 09:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I said "feels like". I spend hours putting in election results, creating politics articles, helping out where I can, and when something like this happens, I get no thanks, no support, no help, I just get everything twisted around so I look like I'm in the wrong. It's so maddening that a website I love, and have worked on quite happily for so long, can turn on users like this. I just wanted to bring to admin's attention ONE THING, not get this treatment. doktorb <sub>words</sub><sup>deeds</sup> 10:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you know, I don't think I care anymore. I've worked damn hard on constituency articles, on local council election results, on the boundary change articles, on Scottish Parliament constituency articles, and all for what? I'm really disappointed at this, I thought I'd get support. I just don't know what to think anymore. Whatever. doktorb <sub>words</sub><sup>deeds</sup> 10:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

TSV 1865 Dachau (Images/Infobox)

Hey, sorry to bother you, but I don't know how to do with the process, so I saved the football logo from the department website then uploaded it through fair use process and posted it on the football club infobox. Am I following the right process so I will know if I am doing the right thing before I go ahead with uploading the image for the Dachau Spurs - basketball club infobox. Hisakiwa21 (talk) 16:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I did. I tried my best anyway :S Hisakiwa21 (talk) 16:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I do appreciate your help for the article anyway :) by the way, I created a football club infobox for you and maybe you can help by finding the correct uniform colors and shapes for TSV 1865 Dachau :) Hisakiwa21 (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do you think it's a good idea to create a basketball infobox? I'm only worried about it stretching the article below, you know? If not, then I can go ahead and putting the final section of the article down, Known Athletes of the club, then I'm done with the TSV 1865 Dachau article unless you want me to work on more or something like that. Hisakiwa21 (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I saw the template for the infobox basketball club and I decided that it is not worth adding it to the article because I feel that it does not have the enough information necessary to put the basketball club infobox on the article. I will go ahead with the last section as soon as possible this week or next week. Hisakiwa21 (talk) 20:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Finished the article by adding the last section! Let me know what you think? :) Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Muhsin Muhamadiev

Hello. There is nothing controversial about it my friend. Muhsin Muhamadiev (not Mukhsin Mukhamadiev) is the transliteration of Мухсин Мухамадиев. Mas y mas (talk) 18:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but your point is? A Google search giving more hits for a particular spelling still does not equate to being correct. Mas y mas (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure I am my friend. But what is the point when you're able to put the correct spelling especially when it comes to transliterations? Also, a lot other sites base things from Wikipedia like a spelling. The fact that it is spelled as Mukhsin Mukhamadiev, other sites would also list it that way rather than Muhsin Muhamadiev therefore making it more common. Mas y mas (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Starting edit war

Please desist reverting the Eddy Bosnar page. If you have a problem with the reliability of the sources, despite it being a clearly notable fact about the player, perhaps you could do some work like an administrator should, and find more sources that are reliable enough for your high standards. If you do not stop reverting I will take this problem to arbitration. Macktheknifeau (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Deletion review for Stefan Kutschke

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Stefan Kutschke. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 79.216.34.185 (talk) 17:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Mediation

Hi there GS, AL "here", how's it going?

please wage in regarding this message i sent to this user (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Italia2006#Inter_Milan_-_Reply), in his page, i'll check it later today. Whatever your position is - i imagine yours will reflect a consensus of the WP football community - i'll duly abide by.

Happy week, keep it up --AL (talk) 04:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• Did i do anything wrong? --AL (talk) 15:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

He responded to me yes sir, but i'd like for him to hear your opinion if possible. He says that there is a consensus and team should be called INTERNAZIONALE. Hard to "swallow" as much as i know he's acting in good faith, why was the article moved to INTER MILAN then?

If you can't/won't add your two cents nevermind (i know you're having a hard day as illustrated by the message right below mine), cheers and sorry for any inconvenience. --AL (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Pathetic

Following my articles and supporting idiotic deletion requests because you can't handle the fact you were admonished for bullying and abusing admin powers and breaching 3RR? Hilarious. No wonder Wikipedia is going down the drain, with guys like you being given admin titles. Macktheknifeau (talk) 09:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

TSV 1865 Dachau

Hey,

You told me to let you know when the article is finished, and I have finished the article on 8/17, putting in the last section when you went on holiday, I hope you have the time to look at it and let me know what you think? Cheers for helping me with the little details on TSV 1865 Dachau! :) Hisakiwa21 (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

BLP

Hi. I don't know if you remember, but a few months ago, we had a small disagreement over the interpretation of an aspect of BLP. It's still on my talk page. Your viewpoint really surprised me, but I didn't have the headspace to get to the bottom of it at the time.

I've always intended to come back to it at some point, because if two goodfaith editors active around BLPs can understand a policy so differently, something is wrong with it. I think it's really important to get it sorted, whichever interpretation is ultimately decided upon.

So, I've finally got around to doing something about it. I've just posted at WT:BLP asking for some clarification. I've deliberately left names out of it - you're an excellent editor that I have tremendous respect for and I saw no need to make the discussion heated.

I wanted:

1. ) to let you know, as a courtesy, that I've started that discussion
2. ) to encourage you to join in, if you have time, because your viewpoint is essential and
3. ) to tell you that I'll abide by consensus, as I always do

Hope you're well and enjoying the new season. I think it's going to be a cracker.

Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 15:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Canvassing?

Re my so-called canvassing, may I point out that I was merely notifying other contributors of so-called “small” categories that the proposer wished to delete the categories that they had created.Hugo999 (talk) 21:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

	Dweller's Barnstar of Good Faith
	Inaugural award, made to GiantSnowman for twice engaging in the same tricky dispute without becoming heated and for piles of excellent, good-faith edits. Dweller (talk) 08:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

FC Mostransgaz Gazoprovod Speedy Deletion

Hey, I need your help!

I created the article of FC Mostransgaz Gazoprovod, a defunct club with everything (the football infobox, the achievements, the explaination for a defunct club) and it was marked for speedy deletion. I already made an argument on it, arguing that it is notable because it appeared in the other article: List of football clubs in Russia, appeared in the Russian 2002 First Round, and that it's already notable in the other languages of Wikipedia (Polish and Russian Wikipedias). I also told the person who put the tag on it that I disagreed with the person and that person never replied back too.

Could you please help me defeat this speedy deletion tag? Hisakiwa21 (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the tag, I appreciate it! Can you teach how me to put in the categories which match the football club above? I don't want to rely on you all the time anyway! Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! I do appreciate it and I made the Russian club more notable by putting in a section of past notable players and managers, something that will help the Russian club have more chances of overcoming the deletion tags, is there a template for the past notable players and managers or did I do the right thing? Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh ok, I thought the list of notable players and managers meaning the list of players who already had an international cap for the national team or managed the international team. Am I wrong or? Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia search, it reveals that 14 (plus one manager) players with Wikipedia articles have played for the team, but I can put at least 7 players in to form the notable players category, they all played in PL in Russia, Belarus, or Ukraine (Ivan Shpakov, Mikhail Pimenov, Aleksei Vanyushin, Denis Kiselyov, Aleksandr Tumenko, Nikolai Svezhintsev, and Ihor Oshchypko) so... what should I do? Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

It worked, and now the category has 7 players in it! :) Hisakiwa21 (talk) 15:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

John S Harrison

Please stop removing BLPPRODs from this article, it is eligible as it does not state whether the subject is a living person or not. Barney the barney barney (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Nicolás Millán

I have found the relevant references now so I can bring back the career statistics section.Cam Melling (talk) 15:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Mate

OK Sorry for attacking your admin, I was wrong and overstepped the mark. But I still maintain all edits I have done to wiki recently were correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammermerv (talk • contribs) 16:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

User page's use as self article

I alert you to look at User:Skyblueshaun page who has been advised not to do this before and also User:JayHewitt91 who's page is strangely linked from Skyblueshaun page.Blethering Scot 18:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Help

You said about my User:page, How can I keep that on here then but not on my user page. Skyblueshaun (talk) 19:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

IP back

Zeljko80 is back. That is just one of his newest edits. Just look at it: removes a diacritic from players name thus not only putting a wrong name but also making a non-necessary redirect; then he adds the typical name with a "nickname" for the coaches list. He really doesn´t get it... FkpCascais (talk) 19:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Wow! I just noteced, he has been massively adding again names to the lists (79.143.171.57... FkpCascais (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. He really seems not to understand even the basics such as links and how to link articles in bracketts, but worste, he seems not to care at all, and he has been around for quite a while and I even explained it to him in Serbian at his talk-page. FkpCascais (talk) 20:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Season Articles

Whats your views on the creation of articles such as these 2013–14 Ross County F.C. season‎, 2013–14 1. FC Union Berlin season, 2013 BK Häcken season and 2013–14 Alloa Athletic F.C. season. The user is creating them in a vast number. In the past i may have tried to rescue these but no longer have the time or will but there not at a standard where they are even an article never mind looking at notability. The later i feel they probably would meet but not in their current state by a long shot. I see a previous article was deleted under A1 Not enough context to identify article's subject don't know if that applies here but in this state they should not be on here and its extremely frustrating to see users creating them in this state. Already posted a sharp comment on their page previously and was going to post something else but thought id better not. Any advice and could you look into.Blethering Scot 22:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Nat Turner lawyer redirects

I commented at both Thomas Ruffin Gray's and James Strange French's entries that I thought it inappropriate to just have redirects back to the Nat Turner Rebellion entry for those two. (And by the way I had already addressed another user's question about the significance of James Strange French on his talk page.) Both people are known for their role in the Nat Turner rebellion, to be sure. But their discussion on the Nat Turner rebellion page is pretty limited and does not give an opportunity to learn about their education or their actions before and after the rebellion. Quite simply, they deserve more attention than the Nat Turner rebellion entry affords them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RalphEllison (talk • contribs) 01:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement

A crewed submersible used for underwater exploration Hello, GiantSnowman: The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections. Exploration Posted by: Northamerica1000(talk) 06:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Soccerdatabase.eu

Didn't know about that - I was trying to address the {{citation needed}} tag in the article. Other editors are also highly unlikely to be aware of it, so I'd suggest the URL be added to the WP:BLACKLIST. GregorB (talk) 12:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

The submissions page says "Please provide diffs to prove that there has been spamming". That would imply the blacklist is for some reason not meant to protect from all undesirable sources, only from those that are actively spamming. That's odd - I wish there was a mechanism that would at least issue automatic warnings before saving. GregorB (talk) 12:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of David Basa

Hello GiantSnowman! I'm asking on how to nominate an article for deletion? I'm not sure what template I should put on David Basa.... Thank you! FairyTailRocks (talk)12:42, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Snow for the tutorials! It's finished, now there's one last thing how can I put my nomination to some WP:Wikiprojects here? FairyTailRocks (talk) 13:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Starting 11 on Arsenal F.C. 2013-14 season again

Hello GS. Could you please revert the Starting 11 change made to the 2013–14 Arsenal F.C. season. The source given is not sufficient and it's still WP:OR - It's the starting formation pitch thing, that I really have issue with. There is no WP:RS to say that Arsenal played 4-4-2 etc, it's all subjective. I am beginning to lose faith. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Alice Crimmins

You have reverted an accurate and sourced section of the above article. Please explain why or I will revert it. You never provided a reason and did so incorrectly. Finkellium (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

your mate's back

[60] cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Season Articles

Hi again. I CSD the ones with just fixtures but starting to lose faith. Created today 2013–14 FC Lausanne-Sport season its marginally better but still not good. There are other ones like this as well that i didn't csd but maybe i should off.Blethering Scot 21:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Medical Park Antalyaspor

Hi there SNOWY, AL "here",

is this page move valid? I mean it seems a gross violation of WP guidelines, like moving ARSENAL's page to ARSENAL FLY EMIRATES FC. I leave it to your attention, happy Saturday. --AL (talk) 17:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

jelly jamm

can you re-wright the page jelly jamm I loved that page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.2.193 (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Richmond Road ground

Hi. I have been on holiday myself recently and was unable to fully participate in the latter part of the PROD discussion relating to the Richmond Road ground article. I don't dispute the reason for the deletion but I have now been able to merge (and expand) the subject matter into the Kingstonian F.C. article as was suggested. I would like to re-establish the deleted article as a redirect to Kingstonian F.C.#Stadiums to preserve its history and to retain the value of some of the former article's categories - specifically Category:Defunct football venues in England and Category:Former buildings and structures of Kingston upon Thames. I can, of course, create a new redirect article but would appreciate your view first. Many thanks. --KenBailey (talk) 23:21, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the restore. Appreciated. --KenBailey (talk) 10:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Statistics Help

Hi GiantSnowman, could you please help me and sort out the mess I have made on Nacho Monreal's career statistics as I can't seem to get it all in line. Thanks Goner 16 (talk) 08:53, 25 August 2013 (UTC)Goner_16

(talk page stalker)  Done JMHamo (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Lee Evans

Lee Evans (footballer born 1994) & Lee Evans (footballer). Can you merge these please? Thanks.--EchetusXe 12:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season revert

Hello GS, could you please revert and warn IP 109.149.12.114 that keeps reverting the content that you and I removed on 2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season for being WP:NOTSTATS. I don't want to fall foul of 3RR. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, unfortunately the same IP just reverted your change. JMHamo (talk) 15:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Reaching out for Help

I know you were part of the Jihad on me, but I do want to learn so maybe you can help. What does one do with an article that is clearly written by the subject himself? The article is quite flowery and pumped up and is all by two names both of whom are obviously the same guy. ANy advice? Article- Shane Salerno. ThanksFinkellium (talk) 01:25, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Akil Grier

Hi we have spoken about Akil Grier beforeX and would prefer it if you leave his page edits to myself. I am working on behalf of my client. Changing his current team to Halesowen town isn't helping my client. Also there is no mention of his playing experience in other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanjc1 (talk • contribs) 08:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Edits by Dreamliner 2012

Hi. Could you look at this case please? The user doesn't cooperate, and doesn't reply to any request. Thanks. Raamin (talk) 14:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for you reply. I don't know what to add to this case. The user adds and changes whatever info he wants in articles without backing it by any source, doesn't reply to requests, removes {{cn}} templates without adding any soucre. Is it ok in English Wikipedia to do so? A warning to stop these kind of edits would be appreciated. Raamin (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I already showed a recent example above (from today). You will see that the user has removed two {{cn}} templates, has changed the number of destinations up to 66 without any source, added "Sir" before CEO's name again (this is truly baffling; he adds it every time I remove it: [61][62][63][64]). Raamin (talk) 15:23, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

INTER MILAN vs. INTERNAZIONALE

GS, we have a problem,

same run-in regarding the gross overlook on WP:COMMONNAME, now with an anon user. Could you drop a line regarding that in his page (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:190.84.80.134#INTER_MILAN_vs._INTERNAZIONALE)? I sent him a polite message, was immediately reverted without one word of reply.

Plus, i'm not entirely convinced this anon IP does not belong to the Colombian punk that harassed me with a vengeance for two years, i will deal with extra caution on this matter, sick and tired of the aggravation.--AL (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

• Additionally: User:Italia2006, after my input and yours, in his page, where you assertively told him INTER MILAN was the correct WP name, did not bother with a reply to either you or me, and reverted me for example on Álvaro Pereira. I give up, top class these two guys! --AL (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

You didn't get a reply because I'm not gonna explain it for the fourth time. The visible link has always been and still is INTERNAZIONALE. I told you to check every Internazionale season article and every European football page in which season they competed, and every player they've had. The visible link is Internazionale. It baffles me as to how you don't understand this simple concept. And I don't understand your obsession with having it read "Inter Milan". My edits are rooted in reason. Italia2006 (talk) 21:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Rufat Dadashov

Why is it controversial? I even provided a source. Azeri names containing non-standard Roman symbols are transliterated in English. This is true for Sadig Dadashov, Brilliant Dadashova and others. Parishan (talk) 20:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My recent RfA

I should have said thanks for your support sooner. ```Buster Seven Talk 03:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Aek waverley

Hi giantsnowman,

I am just querying as to why you had deleted a page earlier in the year titled 'aek waverley' any information will be much apreciated.

Thank-you in advance.

101.172.42.161 (talk) 12:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Transfermarkt

Hey GiantSnowman,

I saw your edits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baptiste_Alo%C3%A9&action=history What's wrong with Transfermarkt? It's a 100% correct site. Cheers, Eden10Hazard (talk) 15:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI

There are 3 complains in fact. I of them I have filed. Could you separate mine? I have filed it at the same time and I don't think you can combine claims against different users. Thanks. M. H. 16:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

They are not related to the same matter. My complaint is about bad language. No one will treat my complaint if it is not separate. I think I have the right to open a separate ANI and have it treated that way. That is different that uniting 2 complaints against the same person. Michael Haephrati 16:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.haephrati (talk • contribs)

My ANI is about using bad language. Please advice as for the proper way to file it. Thanks (I revised my signature per your request).

Hijiri 88 has been harassing me and using bad language. See these pages (131 and [page]). He published my personal email address onsite. He used cursing and bad language. An example would be:

"MH, with all due respect, you can take your goddamn personal attacks and accusations about things you know nothing about, and shove them up your ass. The parenthetical statement clearly shows you edited the message after the page was protected. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)" (taken from the talk page). Michael Haephrati 17:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Your mate's back

...again. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC) :if you're still here... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2013 (UTC) blocked

The dePRODding of the MetaCarta and SOTI articles

Hi GiantSnowman.

You dePRODded MetaCarta and SOTI Inc. recently, explaining that they had already been AfDed before. But:

1. Did you know that the result of the MetaCarta AfD was "delete"?

2. Did you know that, at the SOTI AfD, nobody voted to keep the article except for a user with an editcount of 26?

3. Do you truly feel that each article cites two independent reliable sources which include significant coverage of the subject?

(Optional) 4. Which sources?

When you reply, please cut and paste this entire conversation onto my talk page; if I reply back, I can do the same. If this is impossible, please use {{talkback}}. Thank you!

—Unforgettableid (talk) 01:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

It's very' simple - an article which has been previously discussed at AFD (kept or deleted is irrelevant) is never eligible for PROD. My removal of the PRODs was simple admin housekeeping. You might want to consider WP:CSD#G4. GiantSnowman 08:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've nominated MetaCarta using G4: thank you for the tip. If an article was deleted, then someone recreates a new article by the same name, then I think it's reasonable to argue that the second article is a brand-new article separate from the original deleted article. From my reading of the lede section of the policy page Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, it's not clear at all that it's forbidden to PROD the second article. I wonder if you could please re-read that lede section. Is it absolutely clear to you from that lede section that PRODding the second article is forbidden? Please reply on my talk page. —Unforgettableid (talk) 00:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The lede of WP:PROD says "It must not be used for articles PRODed before or discussed on AfD", and a note to this effect is also present in the PROD template if used on articles discussed at AFD before. GiantSnowman 08:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, those words from the lede are the words I saw too. But if an article is deleted, then a new article by the same name is created, then are you 100% sure that the old and the new articles should be considered to be "the same article" for PROD purposes? Cheers, —Unforgettableid (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. GiantSnowman 19:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I hear. Thank you for your time. —Unforgettableid (talk) 19:34, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

David McWane

Hi GiantSnowman,

I'm new at this Wikipedia thing and I want to add information to David McWane's site from his website www.davidmcwane.com. His page should cover the fact that he is a self published author with links to each of his books. And he is from Hamilton MA not Beverly MA. His mother is very upset that his information has been taken down and I am just working to fix it.

Thank you

briefinn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briefinn (talk • contribs) 13:23, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

In this vein, I've had a stab at hacking the McWane article in a manner that befits the new interpretation of BLP, as well as following some other policies and guidelines. GS, take a look at this and let me know what you think! --Dweller (talk) 14:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Gary Oliver

Would it be possible that the histories of these pages be merged rather than me deleting my sandbox version.Blethering Scot 16:05, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much appreciated. Blethering Scot 14:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Rufat Dadashov

I moved it because my version was sourced, while yours wasn't. I also gave you examples of similar names from Azerbaijan that are generally transliterated into English. Parishan (talk) 22:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Del Piero

Why remove the table with the goals in national team? All football player articles have it, and there were all th sources. So why? And why the editing of the article isn't discussed here, and everyone do what he want, menaced bann and block?--Marcosax3 (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

But i don't think that the stats about the senior national team can be NOTSTATS, maybe U-17 U-18 U-21, but not the senior team, and there are also the sources.--Marcosax3 (talk) 08:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

And i think it's important discuss in the talk page with other users, wikipedia isn't mine and isn't yours, the fisrt priority in consensus, so it's stupid change the page and after menaced blocks.--Marcosax3 (talk) 08:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Pal Csernai

I replied on my talk page.--Mycomp (talk) 12:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Luxembourg national football team

Hi GiantSnowman, I wonder what I did wrong when adding information at this article. I did cite the source I used and I do not think that I typed down erroneous information. Can you be more specific in telling what mistake that I made? Thanks. Kareldorado (talk) 13:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Domenico Berardi

Good day; My apologies for the mix-up. I was not blanking the page, and never do I edit on this site disruptively. I was in the middle of updating the page and adding proper citations, though my computer froze up and so I had saved what I started and just now was in the middle of continuing my upgrading of the page. Thanks. Juve10 (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

It happens every once in a while where it freezes temporarily and then sometimes freezes afterwards so I knew to save in order not to lose what I had been working on in the info box. That is all. There was no intent of the edit to seem as if I was blanking the page. I have re-edited the article, and you can go revise it now if you'd like. I am working on adding external links right now, but I have so far cited all of the information that is on the page.

Mohammed Abu

GiantSnowman.

I'm trying to add verification on the Mohammed Abu article, but you keep deleting it all before I can ad verification it !!! .... gees — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeresAGF (talk • contribs) 15:38, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to add verification... but you just pressed the reverse button once more before I was finished... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeresAGF (talk • contribs) 15:50, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Here is the reference I was trying to add  :

Its from the official mcfc.co.uk website... now read about the transfer at the bottom of the page and fix your own mistake yourself ... I'm done with having my posts deleted by a troll

It seems you cant post references here so here is the link, with the Mohammed Abu transer at the bottom of the news http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Team-news/2013/September/Razak-joins-Anzhi-on-loan

Marcel Buchel

(http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-b/ufficiale-lanciano-buchel-arriva-in-prestito-dalla-juventus-480589) Juve10 (talk) 00:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Starting 11

I read through the small discussion in the link provided and fail to see a substantial reason why the Starting 11 section violates Wikipedia policy. The arguments instead focus on the factual accuracy of such a section. Although teams may produce differing lineups match to match, the starters and starting formations are well documented across media sources. The Starting 11 section would simply be a synthesis of the above sources with a visual representation. Furthermore, to accommodate for lineup flexibility through a season, other frequent starters and/or formations are duly noted as well. The section provides insight on how a team plays during a specific season that may otherwise be confusing to convey in prose, particularly to casual readers. It's unquestionably a positive addition to a team's season page, and if it does not violate any policy, I don't see a reason to remove it aside from unnecessary bureaucracy. Bobby (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• You just admitted it is a synthesis. That violates the policy on original research, therefore it cannot be included. End of. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Not every case of synthesis is automatically a violation. WP:SYNTH exists to prevent non-neutral positions resulting from combining unrelated sources. Starting lineup synthesis is combining two factually accurate and related sources, often published in independent sources in conjunction, to better improve the understanding of the article. Bobby (talk) 19:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• No, it exists to stop people putting sources together to form original research. This is exactly what you're proposing to do. And no, it isn't required or necessary to include this, and in modern footballing terms, it's not beneficial either, with squad rotation policies being in place in many teams. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Player X and Player Y each play 40 games in the season. Player X plays 20 games as LB and 20 as CB; Player Y plays 20 games as CB and 20 games as LB. Where is each player placed on the Starting XI graphic? GiantSnowman 19:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Whichever position the player played more minutes at. But both would be listed and the unique situation would be noted. Practically, the section is very clear as to the number of starts for players at each position so the reader could easily deduce that there may be rotation, the frequency of rotation, and the players involved. Bobby (talk) 20:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

What reliable source determines the number of minutes? Is that number of minutes as a starter, or overall game time? Also imagine this scenario - the team plays 40 games in a season. 10 games are at a 4-4-2 starting line-up, 10 games as 4-1-3-2, 10 games at 3-5-2, and 10 games at 4-2-2-3-1. What graphic do you use? GiantSnowman 20:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Those are really impractical cases. If such a situation arises then prose would be added to the section for clarification. As for minutes, Real Madrid's website logs overall game minutes per individual. Soccerway does so as well. Bobby (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Can I remind everyone that this discussion has already taken place at length on the WikiProject Football talk page and it is actually useless to re-hash the same old arguments only to reach the same conclusion (which we undoubtedly will) – that starting XIs are not useful to club season articles. – PeeJay 20:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Starting XI should NOT be included. What says that a player plays on the same position the whole match? For example today a lot of the wingers change side 3 or 4 times every halftime. And also there is no way to source the formation, it can be seen in many ways depending on who is watching. A 3-5-2 could look like a 5-3-2 if the wingers are pressed down and 4-5-1 could be said to look like 4-3-3. It is just an opinion how they play. QED237 (talk) 22:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Matsuricon Question

Question, so even if the AFD was for a previous version of the article that was deleted, we cannot send the new version of the article up for PROD? Esw01407 (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I'll have to start an AFD for it. Esw01407 (talk) 13:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Mr Spring

Yes, he has released more material recently, and is a RTE 2fm presenter ,so asked me to edit the origional text last week and I discovered the orig text was gone. But any input from mods is welcome to make sure content is appropriate when required.Am not a wiki expert. (talk —Preceding undated comment added 12:07, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting my Mr Spring entry,it was about to be revised & updated. Can I try again to redo this with your input. The artist was very suprised it was pulled and asked me to follow up asap. Thx1138x (talk) 11:33, 5 September 2013 (UTC) (talk

ArbCom

See discussion on my UT page, and on the Tea Party movement case pages. AFAICT, using literate quotes from Teddy Roosevelt qualifies as sufficient reason for an extended and broad topic ban, where not a scintilla of evidence that I violated any policy, guideline or rule was presented, and I was threatened with a block if I "bickered" about the proposed "kill them all" decision (which failed - then was followed by me being given a "finding of fact" which is slightly thinner than a spider web, and a great deal weaker <g>.) The precedent would allow ArbCom to do so to any editor at all where a majority simply does not "like" the editor. Cheers. Collect (talk) 12:48, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Scott Gallagher

Hello GS, I hope you are well. Could you please rename Scott Gallagher to the correct surname spelling Scott Gallacher. I tried to do it myself but I think Scott Gallacher has been SALTed. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Fat Tone

Why exactly was this article deleted. There were many headlines that explained his notability in Kansas City, Missouri as one of our most popular rappers. BiggKhrisco (talk) 03:49, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Kerim Frei

Hello, GS, please could you protect Kerim Frei for a few days. There are media rumours that he's left Fulham, but I can't find a WP:RS to back this up. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 14:51, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Live Scores.

Hello, I need your help making people aware of not putting live scores on here. After being warned I have tried to warn others and get other people to wait until matches are over. Unfortunately I am not getting any luck getting through to them. Thanks Skyblueshaun (talk) 16:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, How can I report people who are not corresponding with my efforts to warn them about live scores is not acceptable. Thank You, Skyblueshaun (talk) 13:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

What do I do? Do I edit on that page and saying what the reason is. Skyblueshaun (talk) 14:10, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I think I have done it correctly, Can you please check? Thank you. Skyblueshaun (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

He has now stated that he is wrongly being reported. Skyblueshaun (talk) 14:23, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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DeForest Area Public Library

Hey GiantSnowman, DeForest, Wisconsin links to DeForest Area Public Library in the "See also" section, so there are incoming links to the article, and as such, it isn't an orphan. Thanks, and happy editing. Go Phightins! 15:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Articles for creation notability

Hello GS, question for you.. I saw this article was submitted for creation Articles for creation/Gedion Zelalem (Footballer) but it shouldn't be created as it fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. What would you do in this case? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:54, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Leith Athletic

Hi there GS, on Wiki's page re Leith Athletic FC there is a picture of the 1936 Leith Athletic team. My Dad is in this picture at the Goalkeepers left side. Mt Dad is John S Harrison and he was Captain of that 1936 team. Other footballers on that team and in the picture are Andrew Miekelham, David Barker, Andy Fortune and Chris Duffy of Charlton Athletic fc fame as he scored the only and winning goal in overtime in the FA Cup Final 1947. I was 6 years old at the time this picture was taken and I personally met and knew these Footballers. What kind of reference do you need?Cec Harrison (talk) 16:13, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Days and dashes

Hi Snowman. I think you just got into bit of a conflict with a style guide, specifically WP:DAYS#Style, the last item on the list. Personally I don't care, but I believe there has been some heated debate on the subject in the "best" tradition of Wikipedia. Favonian (talk) 17:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Deaths in 2013

Regarding your edit summary here; please know that before I undid the edit, I did look at the talk page for guidance on the issue for this article, and not finding any, I started a discussion there. Thank you. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:21, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Oops, never mind. My error! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

FIFA & UEFA Football Events.

Hello, I think I might give up on FIFA & UEFA related football events because user's do not listen to the no live scores policy. I have been banned from trying to stop it and getting frustrated with the amount of edit conflicts. Skyblueshaun (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Cesc Fàbregas 3RR

Hello GS, there seems to be a bit of an edit war going on between two users on Cesc Fàbregas. Could you please add to your watchlist and monitor. Thanks JMHamo (talk) 09:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for bring this up.--Miunouta (talk) 15:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Cesc Fabregas

Hello. Thanks for your message. I DID use the Talk page after two reverts. And several users have been undoing my edits to Cesc Fabregas multiple times without clearly explaining why in the Talk page while I did, in order to avoid edit warring, and nobody listens. The above user who reported this issue was also the one who told me on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Players that assists/clean sheets should be removed. I found this very intriguing and logically inconsistent as I did what he said and he reported me. Also, could you explain why this user has not been warned for violating the three-revert rule on Carl Jenkinson. More importantly, the stats table of Fabregas has 3 other problems as I listed on the Talk page. I spent hours helping fix these problems and a) it got undone, b) I got warned for that. Please read my comments on the Talk page of Cesc Fabregas first before deciding who's right and who's wrong. Thanks --Miunouta (talk) 15:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your reply, I never said that you said who's right and who's wrong. I WILL give up on helping edit Carl Jenkinson if you keep thinking that way. However, I still do not understand why you think my edits were disruptive. What I did was simply replacing the 4 Soccerbase references with 1 ESPN reference while keeping the source for that one FA Trophy game. As the above user stated, we should try to make it "easy for readers to verify". The ESPN source states very clearly how many games/goals the player has played/scored in each season and each competition. However, the Soccerbase pages does not state clearly how many games/goals the player has played/scored in each competition and you have to literally count them if you want to verify the stats. How does that make it easier for readers to verify the stats? The above user has not been able to address that. As for Fabregas, still, no one listens to what I said on the Talk page. It's quite unbelievable that I am the only one who is trying fix the problems I listed on the talk page and everyone else is trying to stop me from doing that. --Miunouta (talk) 16:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Again, it is not okay for me to accidentally violate the three-revert rule without being fully aware of it while it is okay for the above user to violate the same rule when he knows everything about it? Why didn't you get him a warning?--Miunouta (talk) 16:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Miunouta, can I refer you to the comments on WP:FOOTY Players from Struway2, where this is explained. JMHamo (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Tim Hannigan

Hi, you deleted the orig text, restored it. Then removed it. I gave up again. It appears even as someone who has direct contact with the artist ,and helped produce some of the material for distribution you seem to disallow the sources? What proof is needed to reaffirm the sources are reliable. In one case the ytube link, I have the physical raw film here on my desk in front of me, which was used at the telecine. A number of phonecalls have been coming in my direction as of this week. Also the flickr image, how is this ambiguous? The artwork is on file here. What does wikipedia require in order to do it correctly. Also,I have to point out the origional article sat since 2009 without much attention from mods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thx1138x (talk • contribs) 17:40, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for help. I wasnt aware being able to source directly information was a conflict of interest. There is no financial gain,not that it matters,your point makes sense, appreciate the angle. In that respect, can I gently suggest the following links added to the music producer section, and no further editing on my behalf. Sorry I had not realised this was becoming such a problem.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Mr.+Spring?anv=Mr+Spring

http://www.rte.ie/2fm/the-spring-sessions/

Thx1138x (talk) 17:57, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

There are some press cuttings regarding performances,which can be located and can be linked or uploaded. My difficulty as you pointed out,is if theres a conflict of interest. He did perform as Sound Crowd for a 20th anniversary gig at the button factory in Dublin as a "one off" and its documented on their official fb page. However I fear it may not be what is required or would stand up. I have sent some request for press clippings and can upload else where and link for approval later if thats ok. Thanks for your help,its appreciated. Thx1138x (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I did a trawl and came up with, http://i.imgur.com/z09HBps.jpg?1 one press review concerning attention by fatboyslim. Also, http://imgur.com/qUPMNWY review of 5th9 album.Orig sleeve artwork can be supplied if allowable. Theres more press concerning various singles,but the billboard mention is significant perhaps? Thx1138x (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Re Billboard , I have following info http://imgur.com/E8fzcuj Number 28 - 5th week on the chart . WIll that support Billboard text if its submitted.

Thx1138x (talk) 20:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, his website is www.mrspring.net , register and read forum where he discusses music & production & hardware/synth modifications that he carries out. As you can see he dosent have facebook directly,neither I also. You have to consider he likes his privacy hence the only direct connection online is 2fm website. I will search again for more online presence if thats what is needed,yes agreed its hard to find even in music press. Most clippings are from 1990-2000 during his major production era as Soundcrowd. Please suggest what more is required. Artwork and photographs are available and some promo videos cut incidentally. Thanks for guidance also. Thx1138x (talk) 11:01, 12 September 2013 (UTC) Hi, ok I have the idea,its now 100% clear whats needed and not. I will have to look in archive for anything online. There are a lot of press clippings offline and scanned,but agreed something from music press easily available re recent activity I will investigate. I need a few days to push for this inc my uk contacts and will get back to you. Thanks again. Thx1138x (talk) 11:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Andrew Cotter page

Hi there,

Not sure who user Hammermerv is, but I have no problem with what he wrote on my page (the detail was very accurate), I just tidied up a couple of things and was wondering how to go about restoring it. I realise that you only have my word for it, but I would claim to be a fairly reliable resource.

Thanks,

Andrew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acotter (talk • contribs)

Paul Skinner

Hello GS, I am right in thinking that League of Ireland football is not fully-professional, so player articles are not notable? I am referring to Paul Skinner.. should this be PROD'ed? JMHamo (talk) 22:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Miunouta User page

Hello GS. Could I please have your opinion on this User page as you are currently WP:UNINVOLVED. I have discussed WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:SANDBOX on the User's Talk page, but he refuses to remove the disputed Cesc Fàbregas content and is encourging editors to make additions directly to the User page, not via his Talk page or sandbox area. Also, has his FIFA 13 Arsenal squad on his user page too, which is something else I pointed out, but was ignored. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 23:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, only half resolved but a lot better than it was.. user still using User space for article editing and not their sandbox. Stats tables and Squad template. I think this is OK now? JMHamo (talk) 06:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Delete Module

Hi. Thanks for deleting the page I tagged. Could you please delete the Module itself as well? I created it in error on enwiki, but I didn't know how to tag a module page, so I tagged the doc page. Thanks - TiiJ7 (talk) 11:40, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Ultras Dynamo and User:Conformuser

User:Conformuser, creator of the now deleted article Ultras Dynamo (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultras Dynamo), looks a lot like another sock of blocked User:Fox53 (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fox53/Archive) to me. His interest for all things related to SV Dynamo and the city of Dresden together with lines like Westgerman spies here want to delete this article smells a lot of Kay Körner. Don't know how you would go and prove it for sure however. After the redirection of the Ultras article he has now taken to moving all the content of the redirected article to the Dynamo Dresden article, citing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultras Dynamo as the reason for this merge, to the point where there is more on the fan club then the club itself in the Dynamo Dresden article. I tried to remove the non-essential part but he just reverted me and I don't want to get into an edit war. If it is truly Kay Körner he gets pretty insultive pretty quickly. Anything you can do as an admin? Thanks, Calistemon (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. Calistemon (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

I've restarted Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fox53‎. Its definetly Kay Körner, [65] this last edit on Talk:Dynamo Dresden made me sure of it now! He has now moved to the personal attack stage. Calistemon (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Aschoff Solar

Dear GiantSnowman,

you deleted the article about "Aschoff Solar", because it contained advertising.

How can I publish the article again, this time without to mention the products/applications, where the advertising seemed to be in?

Best regards

Oliver — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver M85 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey! It is Urgent!

You just deleted two page Ashoka's_policy_of_Dhama and Ashoka's_policy_of_Dhamma. I'm the author of the article and I was meant to delete only "Ashoka's_policy_of_Dhama" redirect page. The template I used for this purpose was suggested by some marklug user onto #en.wikipedia Irc channel. Please store the article Ashoka's_policy_of_Dhamma. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anupmehra (talk • contribs)

Faculty Of Engineering And Technology/Jamia Millia Islamia

What is the appropriate process to get the copyvio revisions of Faculty Of Engineering And Technology/Jamia Millia Islamia deleted? As I can't see any controversy, I would prefer a speedy-like process to an AFD. If I were to AFD this with a reqeuested outcome of either "revisiondelete" or "delete," or "delete and leave redirect" I'm confident it would easily pass, but that would be unnecessary bureacracy.

After all, I could have just requested db-copyvio instead of removing the copyright violations, and that would've easily met the speedy-deletion criteria. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Punchline Magazine

I noticed that you recently deleted an expired PROD for Punchline Magazine. Can you restore it to my userspace, please? I think it's notable and want to see what was there before the deletion. WCS100 (talk) 22:41, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

H.G. Patel

'Morning GS. H.G. Patel was speedy deleted under A7 on 11 Sep. The article creator, a son or daughter of H.G. Patel, recreated it yesterday, and I tagged it again with A7. You removed the tag. Where in your opinion is there any claim of importance that disqualifies it for A7? Best, Sam Sailor <sup>Sing</sup> 06:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Another error on the FIFA site

Hello GiantSnowman, Carl Anton Wilhelm Hirschmann should be Cornelis August Wilhelm Hirschman. This [66] is correct. C. A. W. Hirschman is probably the best name. Cattivi (talk) 09:09, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Issue with another editor

Hi GS, I am having a bit of a problem with another editor who has removed sourced information, added back lists of "famous players" that lack any kind of clear inclusion criteria and the like here, here and here. I have repeatedly asked him not to on his talk page, but he won't enter into any form of dialogue. Following my latest revert, he has started to blank my user page here. Is it possible you could have a word and ask him to respond to messages where editors disagree with his actions and to ask him not to touch my user page again without good reason, please? Thanks. Fenix down (talk) 11:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Cheers. Fenix down (talk) 12:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

CSD

Hey GS, will you do me a favor and restore Salah Edin? It may have been a poor article but the guy is eminently notable: he's made three legitimate albums (at least one of which with TopNotch, the most important Dutch hip-hop label) and he's got a ton of coverage. I don't care so much that I want to write it from scratch. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

A page that had been AfDed

Dear admin GS, after a quick searching on the wiki I found a page that has been deleted before and an assuming good editor recreated it, Ufl transfers summer 2013, in my opinion, it doesn't have a broad coverage off (almost) all transfers from Division I and Division II, shall I request this for deletion? FairyTailRocks (talk) 13:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I've nominated it as speedy deletion. FairyTailRocks (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Hey GS, I've noticed that Union F.C. and Union Internacional Manila F.C. has same content of information, plus it has same league division, as I looked Division II, there is only one Union club, it may cause confusion to users searching the team, btw, I proposed this last month and no one responded to me, great thing your here. FairyTailRocks (talk) 12:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Woah, that was quick! Cheers mate! FairyTailRocks (talk) 13:00, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Tim Hannigan

Hi, I made some calls this morning, we have proposed you delete the page in its entirity. As the origional creator of the page ,it seems it has failed to meet wiki standards for credible sources since its creation. The artist has a web presence but minimal in order to protect his privacy and few articles are published online concerning his musical career. Case closed as far as Im concerned. Thanks for your time and input,but we cannot compete on wikipedia.Thx1138x (talk) 13:33, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Reserves Teams in the Netherlands

I am not sure if you are aware of this, but three reserves teams in the Netherlands were promoted from the Beloften Eredivisie (reserves league not official match play) to now competing in the Dutch Eerste Divisie (2nd tier) this season. Namely Jong Ajax, Jong PSV and Jong FC Twente. This means that the statistics incurred on reserves teams for these three clubs now count towards a players professional career tally. The setup is similar to reserves teams in Spain competing in the Liga Adelante, such as FC Barcelona B, Real Madrid Castilla, Valencia CF Mestalla and so forth. The rule in the Netherlands is that players can be moved freely between the first team and second team as long as they have less than 15 Caps for the first team, after whch they are no longer eligible to compete on the reserves team. This only counts for the three aforementioned reserves teams, since all other reserves teams in the Netherlands are still competing in the Beloften Eredivisie. This season so far Geoffrey Castillion has 1 cap and 1 goal in the Dutch Eerste Divisie, and will certainly be playing there some more, so I do not understand why you would not want to include these figures, since they do count towards the players overall statistics as a professional. Subzzee (talk) 18:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK subpage

Hey GS! Since, that you're the only admin that I know that covers DYK football-related articles, my first nomination for 2012 Philippine Peace Cup was a fail, now that I rephrased and expand the page, I want nominate it again but there's a problem the subpage currently exists, can it be moved or deleted? FairyTailRocks (talk) 12:41, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

OK mate, I appreciate the help here. FairyTailRocks (talk) 12:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

STA Travel

Hi Snow. You removed the speedy tag on STA Travel as not eligible for CSD. I guess it would have been better if Barney the barney barney had given the reason that it was a recreation of a previously deleted page, because it is. It's been deleted five times, three of them this year.[67] Looking at the log, I don't know why User:Deb didn't salt it the last time. Anyway, do you really want to take it under your wing? Because if not, I'll delete it now. And salt. Bishonen | talk 14:10, 16 September 2013 (UTC).

I didn't because I thought it was salvageable. And it is better now than it was last time I deleted it. (That doesn't mean I don't still have concerns. Deb (talk) 14:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Greetings to you both. I removed the CSD tag as I didn't feel it qualified as "umabiguous advertising", regardless of previous incarnations. I'm not sure if either of you are UK-based or not, but STA Travel has a sizeable high street presence in lots of towns & cities, so it could well be notable - I'll need to do some searching for sources tonight. GiantSnowman 14:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Nadia Bolz-Weber

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Nadia Bolz-Weber. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Duckduckgo (talk) 18:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season

Hi. I need help with the 2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season. I removed starting XI based on consensus reached on WT:FOOTY mulitple time like here,here, here, here and know here (I can find much more examples). Now an admin full-protected the page (after 1 revert) with this starting XI after one user reverted my removal. I have discussed this on the talkpage of the article and also informed in edit summaries, but this admin who protected the page says I am edit warring because I was not talking on the user talkpage. The admin says "You can't just revert to enforce your narrow consensus". NARROW CONSENSUS? What more can I do then revert after the so many times reached consensus? We need to at least remove it from the fullprotected page asap. PLEASE HELP. Thank you! QED237 (talk) 22:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Talk:2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season

Hi. It was the admin Mufka that said it was "narrow consensus" on his talkpage, when I asked him why he protected the page so fast. It was only 2 reverts (one from me removing XI and then someone reverted me) and I had earlier brought it up on the article talkpage. Then he said it was anrrow consensus and that I was edit warring. QED237 (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

PR

Hey GS! Can you add my peer review request to WP:FOOTY? FairyTailRocks (talk) 10:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Newcastle United F.C. 0–1 Crystal Palace F.C. (1907)

I thought we had built up a rapport and a friendship that I hoped would have led to you discussing your concerns regarding Newcastle United F.C. 0–1 Crystal Palace F.C. (1907) with me, in all honesty. Best regards. Hiding T 16:04, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• I was under the assumption that you placed a prod on the article which was contested and then took it to AFD, but I may be mistaken. If I am not mistaken, I am then unclear on when you thought the conversation would happen. I am not offended, just concerned by the lack of common courtesy. Hiding T 16:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

AEL 1964

Hi there, i am Tsobek.. Ι was breathless by the changes i saw you made in the page AEL 1964! you erased almost everything! Do you think you know better than me the history of the team that i so painstakingly translated from the official site? You speak about sources and wiped everything! Even the notable former players, the team's transfers, the team's kits, the team's EUROPEAN HISTORY, the team's LEAGUE STATISTICS, the team's personel and many others... What did i did wrong ??? If you want and think you know better than me all of the things you wiped, go on and write by yourself...I am complaining loudly and will not deal with this page or anything again unless you bring back my work!!! This is a 3 years work for god's sake! GO ON WIPE EVERYTHING I DON'T REALLY CARE ANYMORE..IF THIS IS ALL YOU CAN DO... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsobek (talk • contribs)

yes you're right ... You are just missing something .. You do not know nothing about the team and simply erase everything YOU CALL THIS AN EDIT??? ... How to cite sources in English when the team plays in the C national; There are no english sites...

You speak about sources .. The text of the team's history is translated from the official club's site that is now down (About 2 weeks) due to financial problems.. The team HAS CHANGED OWNERSHIP AND IS IN A CRITICAL POINT ..You don't know anything about it and you wiped everything! You are the ridiculous and also a vandal! Just to prove how much you know, you should erase also the team's home ground (and the photos that are mine) because it currently competes at the old "Alcazar stadium" due to the same financial problems... That much you know... Also go on, remove the managerial history, it was made by myself and it is fictional and not reliably sourced... That about WP:POV, WP:OR could stand a chance (in the team's history section) but in the other sections??? All the transfers where sourced, all the LEAGUE HISTORY STATISTICS, all the FORMER PLAYERS, you erased even the kits!!! I KNOW that what I have written is correct and that you just HAVE NO IDEA about it... So go on depriving the world the opportunity to learn about one of the largest Greek Football clubs.. It is over by me.. i'm sick and tired of your stupid games...

Discuss? With you? Is there anything more i can discuss? You decided to wipe everything out (a 3 years work) by telling me that I am ridiculous and you want further discussions? The only unsourced material was the team's history, everything else was correct!!! This is pure vandalism and you know it! If you are not willing to bring back my work (except history that I can rebuild) there is nothing to discuss..

And what you left is sourced?? The team competes in another ground, the managerial history is unsourced, even the squad is unsourced too.. The manager is unsourced, the new owner's name is unsourced, even the titles that the team won are unsourced. You are amazing! Good job! And pls don't tell me what to do or not mr cyber policeman.. Get a life..

You are really something else.. I am complaining that you destroyed a perfectly good page and you made it look like.. (You are not Greek so I can't answer propery).. Anyway yes, go on and remove everything! Or better re-write anything the way is "proper" for you.. Re-write history.. You can!

About https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisi_Linux

On behalf Pisilinux

u have deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisi_Linux , this article but, pisilinux.org had already sent an email for confirm to: permissions-tr@wikimedia.org in Turkish language for accept the Creative Commons licence. This is a ignorant behavior.

___ admin@pisilinux.org sep., 9 at 5:56 to: permissions-tr@wikimedia.org

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisi_Linux sayfasında, http://www.pisilinux.org/ , http://pisilinuxworld.org/ ve projelerine bağlı bağlı linklerinden yapılacak her türlü içerik alıntısının Vikipedi'de kullanılmasına Creative Commons lisansı çerçevesinde izin verilmektedir. Vikipedi'de , pisilinux ekibi katkıcısı, enerjiparki nikli kullanıcıdır.

İyi çalışmalar dileriz

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Please revert immediately your commit

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Spacing in infobox

Hi there. I've noticed that you for a while have been editing the infoboxes in football-biographies, where the biggest change is the spacing before/after parameternames or "=". When you additionally adds a parameter like "caption", it makes it so much harder for "watchers" to see what exactly has been done with the article - especially when you label the edit summaries with fmt infobox, general clean or "add better infobox & clean-up". If everyone left spacing as it is, it would have been much easier to be a watcher ;) Mentoz86 (talk) 19:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

But what is the standard layout? In Malin Diaz you changed it from | parameter to |parameter, Template:Infobox football biography suggests that there should be a space between | and parameter. And the documentation only shows how to do it when there is one club, it doesn't show what is "correct" when you have several clubs or nationalteams in the infobox... Mentoz86 (talk) 07:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't have an issue with you remove a space, it has bugged me for a while that several editors changes the infobox back and forth and that is why I asked you the reasoning behind your edit. If there was a standard format, this wouldn't be a issue at all, but the template documentation suggests that we should have |years1 |years2 |years3 |years4 and then |club1 |club2 etc, while you (and me) prefer |years1 |club1 |caps1 |goals1 |years2 |club2 etc. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled rights

Hello GS, could you please grant me Autopatrolled rights or must I go through the formal process? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you GS, much appreciated. Could you do me a favour and check my rollback rights too? When I check my rights, I don't see it listed although I am sure I have it... JMHamo (talk) 20:51, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Actually, looking at the logs, it doesn't look like you've ever had the rollback right. You do have the "reviewer" right, though; perhaps you were thinking of that? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:59, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Writ Keeper, when I do a diff I see [rollback (AGF)], [rollback] and [rollback (VANDAL)] so I have always assumed I have Rollbacker permission, but as you say, when I check the log I don't see it listed. JMHamo (talk) 21:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

That is probalbly because you have activated Twinkle and it is the twinkle rollback you see. QED237 (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yep, as QED says, those links come from Twinkle, which is separate from the rollback right (despite the confusing name). The link that comes from the rollback right is similar, but would show up to the right of the <username> (talk|contribs) set of links on that same page. It will also show up on other pages, like the watchlist, which can cause some trouble if it is misclicked, since there's no confirmation prompt for the user right version; many people use scripts and css to hide the link on their watchlists so they don't accidentally click them. There's really not all that much benefit to rollback over Twinkle; it's slightly more helpful in some situations, but nnot very many. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Can you grant me the rollback permission anyway Writ Keeper.. Thank you JMHamo (talk) 21:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Malahide United F.C.

Hello GS. I am looking at a 2009 AfD for Malahide United F.C.. In your opinion do you think this amature club would still be notable now in 2013? JMHamo (talk) 10:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

• JMHamo, if it was notable in 2009, then it still will be now :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 11:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with a lot of the arguments made in the 2009 AfD. This club is not notable in my opinion. When I have time, I will research some more. JMHamo (talk) 11:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

For example, when did "level 4 of the Irish football league" become notable, level 1 of the Irish league just passes notability. JMHamo (talk) 11:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

But if it meets GNG... GiantSnowman 11:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess that's what I am trying to understand - How does it meet GNG? There isn't much info in the article itself about how it might pass GNG, in fact there isn't much content/citations in the article in general. :) JMHamo (talk) 11:57, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Check out the G-search at the previous AFD. GiantSnowman 11:59, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

They seem potentially notable to me. they played in the 2010, 2009, 2007, 2006, 2005 and 2003 at least (not all years on RSSSF start at first round. They have also got beyond the first round on several recorded occasions at least. I would say they remain notable as regular competitors in the main national cup competition, and the regularity of their entry would seem to indicate a GNG pass. The article probably needs to be expanded to note this. Fenix down (talk) 12:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I agree with a comment made by RadioFan in the 2009 AfD -

"While Google hits can indicate how well known a subject is, it's no guarantee of meeting notability guidelines. Amateur teams can meet notability guidelines with demonstration of sufficient coverage, but this isnt there. There are no claims of notability in the article nor any references at all."

Are the rsssf.com links enough to prove a "demonstration of sufficient coverage" for GNG? JMHamo (talk) 12:20, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, they were just a first step and show a strong fulfilment of WP:FOOTYN. A quick look on google throws up a number of articles. this and this both seem to be reasonably significant coverage of a non-routine nature. Additionally this seems to be reasonably significant coverage of a notable success for the youth team, and I get the impression from searching that they are quite a prominant youth set up in Ireland. Although not the most notable of clubs, I would be happy that they pass NFOOTY and are a reasonable GNG qualifier too. Fenix down (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Dan Wright (comedian)

Please restore Dan Wright (comedian), which you deleted as an expired PROD and consider Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dan Wright as a request for undeletion. On behalf of the AFC contributor, thank you. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:29, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

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Live scoring

Hi. I reverted live scoring once this weekend on 2013–14 Real Madrid C.F. season and I explained why on the article talkpage (WT:FOOTY discussion and WP:LIVESCORES). However when letting the editor User:Xboxandhalo2 who reverted me (reinstating the livescores) know about this on his talkpage he said that "Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_8#Template:Match_in_progress resulted in no consensus. WP:SNOOKER's MOS independent to Real Madrid.". So now I ask for your input in this matter. Just because template is kept does not mean that livescoring is okay? FYI this is the same editor earlier edit warring about assist not accepting consensus. QED237 (talk) 20:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

IP vandalism?

Hi.

Sorry to bother you again but I dont now what to do about an IP user. I have tried to talk with him on his talkpage and he is just being rude and keep editing. After I told him about signing talkpages, he know signs edits in articles. He uses edis summary "Facts", when his edits are unsourced and so on. He added the same content multiple times with me and and an other user reverting him. I dont want to risk edit warring. What should I do? Report him to AIV? It is User:86.144.95.135 and the discussion (and some warnings are on User talk:86.144.95.135. The page he is editing is Michu and I have some diffs here, here, here and here. QED237 (talk) 11:37, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yordanus Abay

Hi there, I was just wondering, why did you remove Yordanus Abay's name in Amharic? He is Ethiopian, and that is the correct spelling of his name in his native country. A friend of mine from Ethiopia helped me here one night to add the correct name spelling of Ethiopian Wikipedia profiles in Amharic, I learned a lot about the language that night, and Yordanus Abay was one of the Ethiopians where we included the correct spelling of their name in their native land. This is the custom for all other language groups, Serbian-Cyrillic, Arabic, Greek, Georgian, Amenian, Japanese and so forth. We spent a lot of time on adding the spelling of Ethiopian names in Amharic, and I am now curious as to why you removed the name for Yordanus Abay. I had left the spelling of his name in Arabic as well, since he has been playing in Qatar for quite some time now, and I felt it was maybe as relevant, but the spelling of his name is Amharic was correct, and is how you would write his name in his native land. Can you please explain your recent reverting of his name please? Thank you. Subzzee (talk) 18:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I have added a reference to your enquiry on my talk page. You might however want to find someone who is a native speaker to assess the information in the article for you. Cheers Subzzee (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Danny Williams (footballer born 1988)

According to Soccerbase[68] he was born in 1985 not 1988. I corrected the article and moved it....William 22:59, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Every other source on the page says he was 24/25 in 2013, giving a 1988 birth date. I have reverted the page move. GiantSnowman 09:26, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

IP sockpuppet

This IP Sockpuppet is causing a lot of disruptive edits, has had many IPs blocked but comes back. Could you please warn and block? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

JmHamo keeps removing sourced edits for NO REASON. You cannot keep blocking people for NO REASON. I am updating footballers stats using Soccerbase as a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.11.48 (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Goodwin&action=history

Look at this for example. Look at my edit and the one he removed. Refer to Soccerbase and other official sources.

Who is vandalising? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.11.48 (talk) 12:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

IP hopping sock.. when blocked continues their disruptive editing using a new IP. Has been told many times to use five tildas, but does not listen. JMHamo (talk) 12:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

To prove my point about WP:OWN.. I corrected the time stamp on Patrick Cregg and IP reverted immediately JMHamo (talk) 12:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You are being deliberately misleading. You have been reverting literally dozens of my edits for absolutely no reason whatsoever and now that I have called you out on it by providing a source proving me correct, you start going on about incorrect use of timestamps; when you have been reverting edits leaving pages with incorrect no. of appearances and out of date timestamp.

You have been told many times about MOS:INFOBOX and to discuss stuff on WT:FOOTY but you do not listen and instead continue to be disruptive on other IPs that you have. JMHamo (talk) 12:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC) But you don't listen to my point of view either. It is a two way street. As GiantSnowman said, I amn't doing anything wrong and this is a waste of time for all concerned but you keep pursuing it.

It is not mandatory to use five tildas and I am the only person who is singled out and harassed for not doing so. As long as my timestamp provides correct date and I am not making libellous or vandalising edits, then I don't see what the problem is. Not a sockpuppet but keep throwing unproven accusations around and see where it gets you. Stop removing edits for no logical reason, after I have provided a source. And stop wasting time and resources blocking pages and stopping people from editing because of the use of "tildas". It is arbitrary and asinine.

Damien Duff and Joey O'Brien (and many more) have been protected already because of the disruptive editing this sock has caused. JMHamo (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

@JMHamo: - any idea who the sockmaster is? GiantSnowman 12:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Also the IPs edits aren't technically wrong - he is simply changing the date from 'date of update' to 'date of last match'. Not a major issue. GiantSnowman 12:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, GiantSnowman. Also would like to add..

Damien Duff makes i.e. 98th appearance on i.e. 21 September and I edit his Wikipedia page to reflect this; "Appearances 98 match played 21 September". Someone comes along and removes "match played" and puts in 11:37 281 September. And take in to account that 75% of the time, if I don't edit the page, nobody else will and stats will be out of date. It is only when I edit these pages that these people choose to care about timestamps.

On another footballers page (Gary Doherty), every time he makes an appearance, i would edit it and then someone would add the 11:37 to my edit. I would eventually give up on editing this because of the hassle and would then notice that timestamp would be left like this for weeks and even months and they would not update appearances.

So, it is a lose lose situation. If I edit the page it is going to be reverted straight away. If I don't edit the page, it is going to be left out of date.

As I said, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of Wikipedia pages with the same timestamps as the ones I use but it is only mine that seem to be taken umbrage with; peculiar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.11.48 (talk) 12:52, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, GS, I don't know who the sockmaster is. I have more of an issue with the Ownership issues, when I correct a timestamp and it's reverted. JMHamo (talk) 12:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC) I spend half an hour making edits every weekend and hours later, discover that you have reverted all of them; so what are you on about? Nobody is reverting your edits. Nobody "owns" Wikipedia pages. Everyone should have the right to edit them without being hassled and threatened. "match played" and correct date of match is suitable as a timestamp. Quit making this into a bigger issue than it is.

Finally, please don't delete my comments from this discussion, as you did here JMHamo (talk) 13:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Doherty

Just to add. If I was to update his timestamp with correct date of appearances and match played, it would be reverted and/or altered straight away. Yet if I don't edit it, it is left like that with incorrect timestamp and date of match played.

Think it sums up how ridiculous all of this is. I am getting into trouble for regularly updating Irish footballers correct # of appearances each week and putting in date of last match played!

And re:deletion of comments. Stop being childish, JMHamo. You are the person who is removing sourced edits because of a grudge with a user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.11.48 (talk) 13:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman:... have a look at this comment in my Talk archive May be related, but I have no way to say that for sure. JMHamo (talk) 13:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

JMHamo, you have already wasted literally hours of both of our lives by deleting and reverting factual edits because of a timestamp. Could you please just accept an olive branch and get over it? It really is not that big of a deal in the scheme of things. I haven't vandalised anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.11.48 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Does User:Rovers Forever mean anything to you? I have no problem with your edits as long as you follow MOS:INFOBOX and do not revert any changes I make to Irish footballer articles because you feel you own them. JMHamo (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not the same IP range, and not the same type of edits either. GiantSnowman 13:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

JMHamo, it is you who is reverting my edits. I have never reverted any of your edits. If I revert one of your edits, it is because you have altered one of mine and I want to ensure that # of appearances and match played date is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Delaney

I.e. Delaney. He has 44 appearances. This is verifiable in multiple official sources. I edited his page with correct # of appearances and dates of match played but for some strange reason, you kept reverting my edit and messing up timestamp and appearances.

I don't own any Wikipedia pages, although http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Keith_D this user does and refuses to let anyone else edit the pages of Hull City players.

I must add my opinon here. This IP editor is very aggressive and in this edit summary and many more he says "my timestamp" and he clearly needs to read WP:OWN since ha claim to own many pages. All of the IPs in the sockpuppetry investigation has been blocked and that is not without reason. Also now the IP editor added legal threat to the earlier mentioned investigation, which (correct me if I am wrong) should lead to a immediate block. The IP also started editwarring on all the pages against many different users until getting block and then continued with an other IP, so now all the pages are semi-protected. QED237 (talk) 13:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

To qoute the edit form 86.42.11.48 "if you want to be taken to court and if Wikipedia wants the hassle then fire away" which is clearly a legal threat. And this on an investigation that particular IP was not involved. QED237 (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Threatening to invade someone's privacy and trying to discover someone's place of work/home address is illegal and stalking. To do this because of the way I put in timestamps and not because of hacking/libel/vandalism is grounds for a lawsuit. That is a fact. I hope you learn from it. I am not a "sockpuppet" either so that is a defamatory accusation also.

I never claimed ownership of timestamps for God's sake. I meant timestamp as in 28 September timestamp being replaced with 11:37 28 September timestamp. Not the timestamp itself.

As for the edit warring part. It takes two to tango. I have had dozens of edits reverted and altered for no reason yet I am the one edit warring, not the people who are removing my edits for no reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.254.110 (talk) 13:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Blocked for this legal threat and general disruptive behaviour - his edits are fine but the method of reverting is not. GiantSnowman 13:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Threatening to invade someone's privacy and trying to discover someone's place of work/home address is illegal and stalking. To do this because of the way I put in timestamps and not because of hacking/libel/vandalism is grounds for a lawsuit. That is a fact. I hope you learn from it. I am not a "sockpuppet" either so that is a defamatory accusation also.

I never claimed ownership of timestamps for God's sake. I meant timestamp as in 28 September timestamp being replaced with 11:37 28 September timestamp. Not the timestamp itself.

As for the edit warring part. It takes two to tango. I have had dozens of edits reverted and altered for no reason yet I am the one edit warring, not the people who are removing my edits for no reason.

Question for GiantSnowman. What action would you take if people were trying to hack into your personal details and trying to discover your personal details and information because of an edit war on Wikipedia and because they don't like the way you put in timestamps? Would you sit there and take it?

Hope this is resolved amicably soon. There is absolutely no need for any party to take this further. GiantSnowman agrees that the reasons for reverting my edits, blocking me and locking pages was completely over the top and unnecessary and so are the threats about trying to find my personal information and address.

Also, if my edits are fine, then don't I deserve an apology for being blocked several dozen times for no reason and the distress and annoyance that this has caused? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.254.110 (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry if you feel that this sockpuppet investigation was to find out your address and such. The meaning was to gather all your IPs that was used to evade the blocks you have. You kept coming back with a new IP and the same disruptive and aggresive behaviour. I have never tried to "hack" anyone (sorry if you felt that way) and I never will do and the fact that you threatened me, I find not acceptable. QED237 (talk) 13:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Now I feel bad opening that sockpuppetry investigation. I am sorry for doing that and did not mean to upset anyone. User:GiantSnowman was I wrong opening that sockpuppetry investigation, when the same disruptive editing started from other IPs? QED237 (talk) 14:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

No, not at all, you were correct to raise suspicions at an SPI - and turns out they were correct. GiantSnowman 14:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I needed to hear that. Just started doubting now that he said that opening that investigation was ground for a lawsuit I kind of "freaked out". Do not like these kind of "threats" against me at all. I never wish to end up in trouble and I promise I had good intentions and just wanted to stop disruptive behavoiur on wikipedia. Never wanted to do something I should not do. QED237 (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hello GS, User:86.44.254.110 has evaded your block for making legal threats using IP User:86.42.11.48. JMHamo (talk) 13:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Not surprised are we? Murry1975 (talk) 13:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing that.. very interesting. JMHamo (talk) 14:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

If you know who the first IP/account was then we can tag them all appropriately and add to a a sock category. GiantSnowman 14:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Can we use this SPI as the one that Qed opened has been archived? JMHamo (talk) 14:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

86.46.143.110 now be used to evade block. JMHamo (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (sports)

Hi, GS, when you have a moment, could you please take a look at the recent editing history of this guideline? Also, take a look at the brief discussion on my talk page. I want to make sure I'm not being unduly demanding. Please do whatever you feel is right. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Mathieu Manset

Hello GS, could you please have a look at Mathieu Manset. User keeps adding back the Mathieu Manset#Personal life section after I remove it and I don't want to edit war over it. In the Guardian reference it says "apparently likes to keep goats and unfortunately his football skills are just as agricultural." - This is not a WP:RS for "Manset purchased some goats and a paddock to continue the family tradition in his spare time." Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Pphooper User page

Hello GS, I came across this User page that looks like an article - Pphooper. Should it be speedy deleted? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for deleting Potomac Stages!--Bojo1498 (talk) 18:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Nadia Bolz-Weber

Im asking because you restored the article. Do you think the person is actually notable enough to have an article. Just trying to decide whether to take to AFD.Blethering Scot 21:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I have done so here.Blethering Scot 16:45, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

2013–14 Everton F.C. season

Hello GS, could you please add 2013–14 Everton F.C. season to your watchlist. I have removed Assists from the article but I have a feeling that it's going to be reverted immediately. I have let Spc 21 know, who incidentally thinks I am a silly tit... JMHamo (talk) 00:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

2013-2014 Liverpool F.C. season

Hello GS again! 2013-2014 Liverpool F.C. season has been created by copy and pasting from the actual 2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season article because of the content dispute block in effect. I am not sure if you Speedy Delete or AfD the copied article? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 04:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

But would you consider giving the others' right to edit 2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season so that we can update the info more frequently?

Thanks, Iamjohnchan (talk) 09:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

JMHamo

As far as I know, my latest block ends tomorrow. I am not making any edits this evening, as I would usually do, as I am actually genuinely trying not to stir the pot. What I would like to know is, when the block ends tomorrow and I am allowed to edit again, will JMHamo still be allowed to revert every single edit I make? I see he is continuing to revert my edits but I have chosen not to do anything about it this time. I am putting my faith in the fact that this is happening because I am "evading blocks" and when my block ends tomorrow, he will stop doing it.

A couple of points..

1/ You agreed that there was nothing wrong with my edits. 2/ Why does JMHamo not get reprimanded for reverting all of my edits and edit warring with me?

As I said, I am not making any more edits until my block ends. I would just like a bit more co-operation from people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.241.187 (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello <insert IP here> I have no issues with your edits, but if you don't follow the Player Manual of Style and keep demonstrating ownership with insults, then we will clash. JMHamo (talk) 23:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Deleted page

Hi Giant Snowman

A friend has just informed me that my Wikipedia page for my ebook has been deleted? Not sure why as the page seemed to include links to newspaper articles on the book? I was told I couldn't get a page yet, but my book could, so not sure why it's been deleted? This was a big achievement for me, to find out I was on Wikipedia and I'm really frustrated at this.

Louise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.43.67 (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi not sure if you saw my reply on the other page, but it has definitely been deleted by you : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadows_%28e-book%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.43.67 (talk) 20:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

O Haver

A Mujsh Me Ma Hanger Karin O Haver :v

Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk)

Arsenal squad template

Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm Miunouta. I noticed that you recently undid my edits to the Template:Arsenal F.C. squad page, and changed the update source to the Premier League website. There are a few problems with your edits. First of all, could you provide a valid link to a Wikipedia project page where the exact definition of 'current squad' is clearly stated to support your argument? Also, the Premier League website does not seem to be a valid update source for the 'current squad' as it only provides players' stats in the Premier League and it does not fully support the inclusion of Héctor Bellerín and Nico Yennaris, who you added to the squad template supposedly because they featured in Arsenal's League Cup game against West Brom this season. If that is the case, why didn't you also add Thomas Eisfeld and Kristoffer Olsson who both featured in the same game as well. Please explain your edit briefly and make any changes as appropriate. Thanks. --Miunouta (talk) 22:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

What the hell

Why are you undoing my proposals for deletion. They are fresh proposals, not me just reverting your deleting of my original one. I re registered them at a new time point because the original was deleted by you. These articles need to be deleted, what the hell is your problem? Cristiano Tomás (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

ivsEdits page

Hello GS, on last June you have deleted the page related to ivsEdits because in your opinion it was missing notability criteria: 08:39, 7 June 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page IvsEdits (Expired PROD, concern was: No evidence that this product meets the notability criteria.) I'd like to ask you to see if now after JVC that is a notability company is using video edited with ivsEdits to promote their products it is enough to restore the page: see Paolo Castellano video review [69]. Superbobcat (talk) 11:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't delete it because I didn't think it was not notable, I deleted it because another user proposed it for deletion and there was no objection after 7 days. If you want I can restore the article. GiantSnowman 10:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello GS, what is the right method to use talk? My apologies, I dont know what is the way to reply to your message. yes I'd like you can restore the article and please confirm to me if the link I have sent to you can be elected as a notability source.

Superbobcat (talk) 13:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

You can respond at your talk page or at my page (just let me know where you'll be posting!), no need to open a 'new section' every time, simply click 'Edit' on the existing section and post at the bottom. I will restore the article, but a review is not a reliable source. Please see WP:RS and WP:GNG for more information. GiantSnowman 11:13, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. About a review I can understand it if it is a single review, but I not understand why a NLE program as ivsEdits available since 2008 that has been downloaded from many notable file sharing sites (CNET,SOFTPEDIA,FILEFISHSTICK,HWUPGRADEFiles,HTML.IT,etc) more than 100,000. times cant found a place in the list of Free video Editing software when a software like Debugmode Wax "without enough sources" can be listed there from 2010. I'm telling it because someone has deleted ivsEdits also today. ivsEdits is a professional software , there are hundred of youtube video around the world that are describing it and show the success got from users, I have added several references but all has been always deleted. There are several indipendent reviews on the web, they appears similar to other reviews have been accepted to give notability to sony Vegas. I'd like not discover that wikipedia is like Italian magazines that they report news about a product only if it pay for advertising: They say if one not pays advertising it not exists. My brother wrote the same page for ivsEdits and Harris Broadcast Velocity, we are amazed because the second one is still listed with only 3 references ... this could push someone to think that some wiki editor prefers tolerate US products against Italian sw products. If wikipedia is free and Indipendent as claims , I'm sure that it is also your interest to help me to investigate on these matters. Wikipedia can be also free but I not see equity. About deletion, It is strange to read you never got opposition, I believe your words because I see a big courtesy to manage my questions but at that time I talked with someothers to avoid deletion. I have some text on my talkpage .can you read it? this is a review from a notable US Magazine: http://www.hdvideopro.com/workflow/desktop-nle-systems/the-cutting-edge.html?start=3

Superbobcat (talk) 13:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Categories - Reply

Hi there GS,

just me being picky (and oversensitive in the process!), yes i know there is no real order, and fresh cats are put in the bottom of the list, but i try to have everything organized, as follows: PERSONAL stuff: birth, descent, etc; FOOTBALL stuff: nationality, position, leagues then clubs where they played in country, then same abroad. Still in FOOTBALL stuff, international bits, and we end it with the expatriate categories, if needed (these may not be the last items, if the player turns into a manager).

As you very well put it, no harm with the categories "scrambled", but no harm with what i'm doing either is there? Cheerio. --AL (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

John Logie Baird

> Please can you explain why you have re-introduced a sizeable amount of entirely unreferenced information into this biography? GiantSnowman 14:44, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The way to improve a Wiki article that contains plausible and potentially useful but unsourced information is not to delete it, but rather to tag it as unsourced, as you just did, or to add a citation for a reliable source. Your "cn" tags look good. Greensburger (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

adding categories

thanks for the advice. will use in future, but in this instance (i'm looking at a line-up card from a 1980 NASL indoor match, Kicks vs Surf), i tend to see what else may have been left off as i go from player to player. cheers. -Creativewill (talk) 18:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, admin

Hi, there. If you feel offended by that fact that I had not heard of you before, I hereby offer my sincere apology. I did read the consensus at WT:FOOTBALL and that is why I brought this up as your edits have conflicts with the consensus. Sadly, as you, an admin, 'ignored' most part of my previous post because you thought I was 'trolling', I will now reiterate what I said.

"The Premier League website does not seem to be a valid update source for the 'current squad' as it only provides players' stats in the Premier League and it does not fully support the inclusion of Héctor Bellerín and Nico Yennaris, who you added to the squad template supposedly because they featured in Arsenal's League Cup game against West Brom this season. If that is the case, why didn't you also add Thomas Eisfeld and Kristoffer Olsson who both featured in the same game as well."

And this is what you posted on WT:FOOTBALL: "[The current squad] includes players with a squad number and/or who have played first-team football with the club and are still contracted."

Hopefully, it won't be ignored again this time. Please make any changes as appropriate.--Miunouta (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry I forgot that we interacted before. Anyways, you did not just undo my edit that removed the 2/3 reserve players, but also changed the update source to the Premier League website, which I would not consider valid. As I stated before, the new source you added does not fully support the inclusion of Héctor Bellerín and Nico Yennaris who have not featured in the Premier League in the 'current' season. --Miunouta (talk) 20:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for finally realizing that you made a mistake undoing one of my edits. Please go ahead and correct it. --Miunouta (talk) 20:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Buckethead

GiantSnowman you keep deleting the info on Buckethead's "Early Life" category sending me a message that its "not verified?" What isnt verified? The fact that he took lessons from all the people mentioned? I happen to be one of them and I find it in bad taste to delete also the name of the late Johnny Fortune, who was also one of his teachers. Please advise! Thank you.

Pebber Brown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.159.202 (talk) 05:37, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ravel Morrison

Are you quite sure Mr Morrison's career stats are unreferenced? Struway2 (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Gloria Richardson

What are you doing with the Gloria Richardson page? What are your specific problems with it?--GPRamirez5 (talk) 18:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

In what manner was it non-neutral? Most of this material isn't mine, by the way - it just seems like those previous contributions shouldn't be swept away without a hearing; As far as I can tell, it's all accurate.--GPRamirez5 (talk) 18:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand. On further inspection, it appears that this editor may in fact have a conflict of interest, as he is working on a book about Richardson.--GPRamirez5 (talk) 19:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Jesé Rodríguez and his most renowned defender

GS, please weigh in on this message I have sent the user referred to in the title of my "letter" to you (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SideMaster#Jes.C3.A9_Rodr.C3.ADguez_-_Again), getting a bit annoying...

Kind regards, happy weekend --AL (talk) 00:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Citation policy on living persons

Regarding the Early Life section on Buckethead's page once again, there exists a known recording of Buckethead playing at the 25th anniversary of Styles Music (where he took lessons in his younger years) which was a public concert and he paid tribute to all his early teachers there BY NAME one after another. Does this qualify as a reliabel source? Also this Early Life section has been posted in its previous (not deleted by you) form for several years now with no commplaints about the reliability of its content. Why now - at this time are you deleting the previous, well known data? Lastly, Buckethead mentions his teachers BY NAME on his Young Buckethead DVD which is widely available. Does this also constitute a reliable source? Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.254.213 (talk) 01:20, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Message regarding undocumented info.

You are wrong. The early life section for my friend Brian Carroll is well documented. It is in video form, album liner notes and his own documented words. Stop deleting documented information or you will be reported to Wiki. Who is paying you to do this? What makes you the one to decide it shouldn't be there when you've done no research to back it up? I was there, during this historic time. Where were you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.48.224 (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you Delete my Page...it has to be your Fault.

Thanks! Claus Michael Fasting —Preceding undated comment added 10:50, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Gary Madine

Hello GS, Gary Madine has been jailed and I see a few edits in the lead section about this and other convictions he's received. Do you think they should be included in the lead of his article? Also, worth watching the article for BLP vandalism. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 12:03, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you JMHamo (talk) 12:09, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

U21 Premier League Cup

Hi GS, do you think the (unreferenced) U21 Premier League Cup is a notable competition? JMHamo (talk) 17:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

JMHamo/Edit warring

My block has ended so I hope my edits will no longer be reverted e.g. latest edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhys_Murphy; as you have said yourself, there is nothing wrong with my timestamps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.243.202 (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

@JMHamo: - the block for legal threats has expired, after being extended due to block evasion, so back to normal editing. When updating the infobox, I think using either a timestamp or the day of the last match is fine. Edit warring over this, however slowly, is clearly lame.

IP - it would make it so much easier for all of us if you registered an account. GiantSnowman 20:21, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

IP, why can't you use five ~~~~~ in the Infobox for the timestamp, which is the standard. It's not that hard. JMHamo (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's preferred, but there's nothing wrong with using the date of the last match, as long as it is clear that is what is happening. GiantSnowman 20:24, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree having the time such as 20:20 is not important, but could (UTC) be deleted - UTC is not needed if it's just a date without the time. JMHamo (talk) 20:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhys_Murphy He is reverting my edits again, even after you said there is nothing wrong with my edits. Why doesn't he get a block? He isn't listening to you. He is unwilling to engage in discussion with me. Even after all the unnecessary aggravation, annoyance and disruptions this has caused.

If he had put his timestamp in first, I wouldn't have a problem; but he is clearly stalking all of my edits and reverting them.

That wasn't a reversion - and neither of you is doing anything wrong. You were not blocked for your edits, you were blocked for making a legal threat. GiantSnowman 20:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I understand. That block is over though. And JMHamo is still reverting every single edit I make even though as you say there is nothing wrong with them. Is that not edit warring? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.243.202 (talk) 20:50, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

It would be if he was actually reverting you, but he's not really, though I don't understand why he insists on changing it. But it is not harming anything - and I fail to see why both of you cannot agree? Like I said earlier this is super WP:LAME. GiantSnowman 20:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

You are proving my point about ownership. Everybody is free to edit. JMHamo (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

This edit by Mentoz86 on Rhys Murphy looks good to me. I am happy with this compromise as I have already said. JMHamo (talk) 21:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I think you were being extremely childish JMHamo but hopefully you have learnt a lesson and will leave my edits alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.138.10 (talk) 22:47, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Removing full names without an explicit inline ref

Please could you use a more explicit edit summary than "clean up using AWB". I think most editors would assume that's just changing &ndash; to – or fixing formatting errors, not removing content. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:03, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't have made myself clear. All I was saying is, if you're going to remove information, rather than just tagging as unsourced, it would be helpful to editors watching the pages concerned if they could see from the edit summary that a significant change had been made. If you don't see it that way, then fine. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Personal offence, not at all. I accept that WP:MINREF requires inline citation of anything challenged, and some people think that justifies summary removal of anything without an inline ref. And the removal, as opposed to tagging, of that one item of content from a short non-BLP article where the whole thing, including dates of birth and death, where the subject worked, his war service, his style of play, was sourced to general references (apart from the player's height, which was added later) did irritate me. But it was the removal that irritated me, not the fact that it was you who did the removing. Not that it's any of my business, but if you're going round working on full names without inline cites, would it be more valuable to prioritise BLPs ahead of deceased subjects? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request

Greetings. Because you participated in the August 2013 move request regarding this subject, you may be interested in participating in the current discussion. This notice is provided pursuant to Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Devine (footballer)

I saw your comment on Daniel Devine (footballer).. my friend the IP hopper is updating player stats for all Irish players while games are in progress, will you have a word? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Adnan Januzaj

Hello GS, could you please have a look at Adnan Januzaj, might need protection as it's currently getting hammered. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 18:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

JMHamo timestamps/provocation

He has been trying to find any excuse to get me banned all day and now he is reverting my edits because of timestamps again, even after being told that there is nothing wrong with mine. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Ward_(footballer)&action=history

If you won't do anything about it, how do I make a complaint? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.134.122 (talk) 18:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I would recommend you read more about Wikipedia's policies, especially WP:EDITWAR as you are not very familiar with them. JMHamo (talk) 18:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I have tried discussing this with you numerous times. There is nothing wrong with my timestamps. GiantSnowman agrees but you continue to revert them for no reason; obviously to try and provoke me into reverting the edit back to mine so you can ban me again. You are a troll. I try to discuss things with you but you won't listen. I tell you to stop contacting me on my talk page but you continue to harass me. Stop reverting my edits and stop talking to me. It's harassment and stalking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.134.122 (talk) 18:57, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

The last thing I want to say here is please leave GiantSnowman out of any grievances you may have with me. Talk to me on my Talk page and we can discuss this. JMHamo (talk) 19:02, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

How about you stop undoing my edits for no logical reason whatsoever and stop trying to provoke me into a ban, like you are clearly doing with the Stephen Ward edit. You have been provoking me all day. It's a nuisance and waste of everybody's time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.134.122 (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

BRD advice

Hello GS, you're probably sick of the time stamp dispute and I know you are WP:INVOLVED, but if you could provide me with direction on what to do next per BRD. I have engaged the IP in discussion and asked for the opinion of other senior editors. Consensus seems in favour of the five tilda update, so what next? Thanks as always for your help. JMHamo (talk) 21:26, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Miunouta (talk) 05:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Harassment section at ANI (started by JMHamo)

Hi. Just wanted to know if you have anything to add to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive814#Harassment that JMHamo started. An editor said something inapropriate and got warned for that by you about a week ago. Now JMHamo says this continued and put it up on ANI. This after getting an warning for edit warring, the same warning he put on other users when editing but when he got one he said he was not edit warring. Feels to me like he is warning everyone else (all the time to scare them of) when he is doing the exact same thing and now he says he is harassed. He also says that ""your antagonistic editing style is aggravating multiple editors on this issue. Perhaps you should stop as we would hate to see a valued contributor as yourself blocked." is harassment and I fail to see something wrong in that sentence. I would appreciate if you read the ANI-thread and if you have something to add that would be great. QED237 (talk) 11:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Abraham Levy

Hello GS. I'm editing in Raul Julia-Levy and could need to look at Abraham Levy, previously deleted. Are you allowed to userfy the latter to my sandbox? Best, Sam Sailor <sup>Sing</sup> 12:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC) P.S. Please answer here to avoid fragmentation.

Ideally you should ask the deleting admin first of all. GiantSnowman 12:17, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but he is not here frequently. Sam Sailor <sup>Sing</sup> 12:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Yasser Akkaoui

Hello. Would you please send me the text of the Yasser Akkaoui page that has been deleted and let me know the main concerns so I can fix it? Thanks Mayasioufi (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Full names

I only have access to an IPad at the moment which won't allow the use of templates. I'll add the citations tomorrow when I can get on my laptop. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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John Bramley

Hello. Might not be something you've come across, but WP:NOTBROKEN recommends not "fixing" working redirects. And, just to explain, I took out the first Frost ref because it presumably didn't verify either Mansfield or Sutton, otherwise you'd have included them. Joyce verifies birthplace and clubs up to Rotherham Cty but also not Sutton, which came from the Millers one alone; hence putting the inline cites directly after what they're being used to verify. No harm done, either way. Incidentally, both Joyce and the Millers page give CH and RB as positions, but not RH... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:27, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops... Sorry, I'm sure both of those did work last time I checked... If people didn't keep changing the section titles in the main articles Defender (association football) etc between with/without hyphens, or centre/central midfielder, or whatever, because they can, without realising they actually affect anything else, the bloody redirects would stand a chance of working for longer than five minutes at a stretch... There's a limit to how many pages one can sensibly watchlist. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Aly Maher

because it should be in a disambiguation page because there are 4 people with the same name Aly Maher (Ali Maher). Aly and Ali are both in Arabic. Those are Ali Maher Basha, Ali Maher the diplomat, Ali Maher the architect and Ali Maher the footballer. The most famous are the first and the latter, and no need the page redirects only to the diplomat.. can you help me with this please? (AbdulRahman14 (talk) 15:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)).

I removed both sections because I got them fixed, no need to disturb you. Thought this is better :) (AbdulRahman14 (talk) 15:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)).

I dunno, can you help me with this please? (AbdulRahman14 (talk) 15:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC))

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	thanks a lot! AbdulRahman14 (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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James Rothman

I readded Rothman's scientific bio per http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Rothman&diff=prev&oldid=576144170 This is more consistent with most scientific biographies. I also removed some of the more "promotional" text

Howdy

Hello, GiantSnowman … I noticed you when you deleted an expired {{Prod}} that I had seconded … kewl collection of userboxes. :-)

Happy Editing! — 96.231.12.212 (talk · contribs) <sub>17:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)</sub>

Thomas Strakosha

Hello GS, could you please speedy delete Thomas Strakosha and SALT. It's a recreated article from a previously deleted AfD. Also, Eni.Sukthi.Durres removed my original Speedy Deletion template and seems to have a history of removing deletion templates, which he's been warned about by you in the past. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hey, GiantSnowman,
I had a general question that came up on a Reference Desk Talk Page conversation. Is there any oversight of the Reference Desks? There are some excellent Reference Desk guidelines that would eliminate the competency questions I have but they are not always followed.
My concern isn't at the stage where I'd name names or post diffs of instances where I see Editors substituting opinions and guesses for facts (or the perfectly acceptable, "That can't be answered at Wikipedia"). I think the Editors are well-intioned but they should be aware of the limits of their ability to provide accurate answers to any question that is posted. So, if I do follow-through on this, I wondered if the Reference Desks were the province of any particular Admins or a Task Force or something.
Thanks for any information you can provide. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 17:32, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Change position by round to source is edit warring?

Hi.

Me and JMHamo has edited on the 2013–14 Liverpool F.C. season and especially the position by round table. However today both of us got warnings for edit warring just by correcting the table according to the given source (statto). Is it really edit warring to edit something to the same as the source says? To me those editors editing against the source should be warned for unsourced/disruptive edits, and not give warning to those editing according to source. These position by round has been discussed many times and I thought the statto source was supposed to be used, or why else have the source below the table? And with that sourcce on the article am I doing something wrong editing according to the source? I feel angry at the moment for getting a big red warning for making a sourced edit. QED237 (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I kind of understand that it is still edit warring even if I feel it is wrong. It is the rules. However as I said it feels wrong because my first instinct when I see something not according to source is to fix it and not go to talkpage. Is it okay to warn the other editor for unsourced edits or disruptive editing when they edit againt source? And also Mentoz86 wrote that it is content dispute, how can it be content dispute when we have source that tells us how it should be? Edit warring, i kind of understand but content dispute when it is backed up by source? QED237 (talk) 09:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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I made one final comment on my talkpage for you to read/comment. QED237 (talk) 21:24, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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I need a mentor.

Wow, you are prolific. Reading Wikipedia is the joy of my life. Frank Layden (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Please consider this problem: We make a duplicate of you. Both of you study a WP article for a test. (It's a "perfect" test - no problems there. Or it's a batch of good tests.) One of you studies the current article. One of you studies the same article from a year ago. You are both tested, and guess what? The one of you that studied the old article does much, much better than the one who studied the current version of the article. Unfortunately, this seems to be true. With fewer editors and the original force gone, small groups of people can push their POV into articles and trash them. This horrifies me. In fact, that did happen to the Genetic Code article. IDK what to do. Frank Layden (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hello GiantSnowman, I would like to inquire on how to regain a page you deleted . - 11:26, 22 August 2013 GiantSnowman (talk | contribs) deleted page Betegy (Expired PROD, concern was: Unnotable entry for a company, promotional (clearly fails WP:COMPANY))

I would also like to clear up the issue of "Unnotable entry for company". BETEGY is a data driven site and not a gambling site and you can see editorials done on us by Wall Street journal: http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2013/07/05/startup-predicts-soccer-results/, CNN Money: http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/12/technology/innovation/betegy-soccer-betting/index.html. And most recently we annouced our co-operation with big sports data company(ESPN) and we were covered by Goal Europe: http://goaleurope.com/2013/09/19/polish-ukrainian-sport-prediction-service-betegy-signs-deal-with-espn/.

Once again I would like to stress that we are a data and sport statistic company and not another betting company, and you can refer to the links I posted earlier to confirm our notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larochie2002 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about overlinking

Just so I can be clear - I thought it pretty common and by that accepted to link to the country name in the infobox even if not within the main text of the article - is that overlinking?--Antiqueight <sup>confer</sup> 11:48, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah!I thought from the WP that to not overlink you would not put the link in the prose (especially for country names) but due to the way an infobox is structured I thought you would put it there instead. I usually have put the link in for the first occurrence in an article and in any infobox not after that. However that was before I read the WP overlinking which left me a little unsure as to which way to go.--Antiqueight <sup>confer</sup> 12:10, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Deleted animal rights article on July 29th 2013

Hi!

On the 29th of July 2013, an article titled Asociația Cuțu Cuțu ( an article about a significant NGO concerning animal rights in Romania) has been deleted due to a reason that -at the time- was reasonable. However, a wave of incidents that occurred in the autumn of 2013 has brought ACC back to notoriety. Their contribution/effort/influence in the field of animal rights have prompted a reaction from a variety of news outlets. Ultimately - as a result of their actions (or not, that is a matter of controversy) - even Bridget Bardot's foundation has written a letter regarding the subject of stray dogs in Romania. We could fill two sections presenting the incidents from various points of view connected to this NGO. Due to the fact that you were the administrator to complete the deletion, I was wondering whether the changed circumstances (and the notoriety ACC received this year) are grounds to undelete the article.

Thank you,

Thevaluablediamond (talk) 21:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

PROD

So, you removed the PROD tag on Rick Bronson, not because it was without merit or because you disagreed with it but because I failed to state a reason why it should be deleted? I thought a one sentence article with 9 external links didn't need a lot of explaining. And now that you have removed the tag, I guess I can't repost it with a stated rationale, now, right? Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 19:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

re: Bab burger

There was, however, a substantial discussion on talk, showing, among other things, existence of Korean Wikipedia article on the topic. I'd ask you to undelete it and submit to proper AfD instead. --<sub>Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here</sub> 08:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

True, but I'd like to see if Korean speakers could find better sources. --<sub>Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here</sub> 08:44, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Dave Considine

Last month you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Luispedros

Hey, GS, could you please take a look at the contributions of this new editor? It looks to me like a mixture of incompetence, English issues, and worse, but, as you know, I'm no sports expert. Another much more experienced user reported Luis at WP:AN3. The reporter is also edit warring, but at this point I'm more concerned about Luis as he's created a bunch of new articles, a template, and changed templates, all in a short space of time. Thanks for your help.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ugly maintenance tags

There is an unfortunately tendency for some editors to splash ugly maintenance tags on articles. I'd much rather see people spend time to fix the articles. The Nobel laureate's article you just tagged is in reasonable good shape, and does not contain any contentious or negative info. It would be nice if you undid that tag, and instead, added inline references, if you have time. Thank you so much. Jehochman <sup>Talk</sup> 16:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Shand

Thanks for extending that slightly, but it's a shame that was closed down before I even had the opportunity to speak about it.

I was not 'trolling', as some said - nor was it a spurious nomination. Note at the time I saw it, it had one single reference (this version) - and I don't think a listing in Dictionary of New Zealand Biography is enough to show notability - I don't imagine that all 3,000 people in that publication pass GNG.

I'm disappointed to see several users treat an IP as 'insignificant' - being insulted (as a 'troll'), being told they're 'not allowed' to do things like AfD ("As an unregistered user you don't have the right to start AfD discussions"). But I also see on AN, I'm being accused of battleground behaviour now too. So meh; I give up. 88.104.26.129 (talk) 17:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

notable or non-notable

According to WP:NFOOTBALL, "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable". However, its reference, Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, is an incomplete list, meaning some professional leagues may not list on it. Three levels of professional league had been created in China since 1994 and now you say China League One and China League Two are not professional leagues by an incomplete list. I don't think it's appropriate.

It's hard to find the English version of files of Chinese football. Taking China League One as an example. This is the official program of 2013 China League One. Page 8 is "2013年中国足球协会甲级联赛规程" (Regulations of 2013 China League One):

• Chapter 1 Section 1: 中国足球协会甲级联赛是由国内职业足球俱乐部参加的除中超联赛外，全国高水平的职业足球联赛……(China League One is the second highest professional football league division (after Chinese Super League) for professional football club in the country…)
• Chapter 1 Section 2: …中国足球协会职业联赛理事会在中国足球协会的领导和授权下管理中甲联赛… (…China League One is administered by Chinese Football Association Professional League Council under the leadership and authority of Chinese Football Association)

China League One is a league played by professional football club and administered by professional League Council. If it is not fully professional league, then what's the standard of "fully professional league"?

--Alexchen4836 (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

OK. I will raise it at WT:FPL tomorrow. It's 4AM in China now and I really need to sleep.

Besides, I have another quetion about notability criteria. If a player just played in the domestic cup like FA Cup or League Cup, it's notable or non-notable? Could I creat an artical for him? It does not look to fill the notability criteria, but I notice that similar articles like Héctor Bellerín, Thomas Eisfeld, Isaac Hayden and so on had been created. It's really confuse for me.

Thank you for your reply and happy editing.

--Alexchen4836 (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

(Non-)notable players

Hey BigMan! Came across Frank Aolie at Special:NewPages. Doesn't appear notable. Created by Durneydiaz (talk · contribs), who, judging by talk page, has a thing for creating such biographies. Maybe you could have a look and possibly tag some of his created articles. Jared Preston (talk) 10:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Tim Hecker

I added some bio material to Tim Hecker which you tagged. Could you possibly check if the tags can be removed? Thanks Karst (talk) 12:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks for your suggestion. Karst (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Anty (footballer)

User:Anty (footballer), a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Anty (footballer) . Thank you. Auric talk 13:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Level 42

Well done on your deletion of the speculative and unsourced text in this article. I have looked at the whole piece on several occasions and thought "I must get round to trimming it down". Frankly, the whole article suffers from a lack of referencing and thus opinion, speculation, rumour and fancruft appears virtually throughout. In fact, my comments on the talk page dated June 2010 are still relevant. Gosh was it really that long ago !

One of these days....

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Alex Kulbashian

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Alex Kulbashian page

You added a redirect to a page that was "deleted" by wikipedia as per AfD vote and admin decision. The decision was not to "redirect". Please don't recreate deleted pages WikiErrorCorrection (talk) 01:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit War

Hi GS, It was raised on WT:FOOTY, but didn't get much of a response, but there has been a slow-burning edit war going on Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito where an IP insists "de Quito" is not part of the full club name. Digirami (talk · contribs) shows on the talk page that both the Ecuador FA and FIFA refer to it as Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito although the common name does appear to be LDU Quito, although there does not appear to be consensus either way. I wonder whether the page needs protecting for a period of time from IP eidts and maybe Digirami needs to be reminded of the 3RR rule? Fenix down (talk) 12:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Parents' Worship Day

Do you have an objection to the deletion of this article Ecenafri (talk) 13:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito

Greetings,

Now that you've placed that warning, I ask a favor of you. There is consensus on the talk page of the Liga de Quito to keep "de Quito" as part of the official based on various official sources (it's also the status quo version of the page). It has since been reverted by that IP address, as well as Liga Deportiva Universitaria. Can you please revert them both back to the status quo so I can have the page semi-protected, please? Thank you in advance. Cheers. Digirami (talk) 19:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Besides the fact that "de Quito" is part of the name as per FIFA and FEF... "I agree that the title of the institution is "Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito"", as per User: MarshalN20; "common name... appears to be Liga de Quito", as per User:Jogurney. What you do not see and any agreement that "de Quito" is not part of the name. Might as well keep the status quo: the original version, which was with "de Quito". Digirami (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

The site notified me of the discussion (apparently wikilinking my username does that effect). My recommendation stands the same: The article's title should be "LDU Quito". That's the commonplace name used by commentators, analysts, record-keepers, etc. (Mainly because writing "Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito" is, as can be plainly seen, too long).

However, the name of the institution does indeed have the "de Quito" part to it to distinguish it from other similarly-named institutions in Ecuador.

Regards.--MarshalN20 | <sup>Talk</sup> 21:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Analyzing the case in question with further detail, I have to agree with Digirami that the IP editor is vandalizing the LDU Quito article.--MarshalN20 | <sup>Talk</sup> 21:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

@Digirami: @MarshalN20: - replying here for ease. If you feel the page name/club name is 'LDU de Quito' then why not start a WP:RM; that would be evidence of strong consensus, and we could deal with the IP accordingly. But clearly he disagrees, lacks the knowledge to raise that concern on the talk page, and an edit war has ensued. He will have no excuse once the RM has been finalised. GiantSnowman 08:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not the article name that's in question; it's the name of the institution the article is about. I've already tried communicating with the IP on his talk page, but they are clearly ignoring my message. Digirami (talk) 17:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Those are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing. GiantSnowman 17:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but they are not. Going from "Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito" to just "Liga Deportiva Universitaria", and going from "Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito" to "LDU Quito" are two different matters that require two different discussions. Digirami (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one; and either RM has concluded. GiantSnowman 18:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Then could we have this article and this one semi-protected until the RM discussion is over please. They are both in their status quo version. Thanks. Digirami (talk) 21:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I've fully protected, so as not to be seen to favour a registered editor over an IP. Please use the article talk page and let's get this sorted. GiantSnowman 08:32, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

David Nelson (footballer)

Hi GS, You removed the additional info I placed on the above article. The reference is http://www.neilbrown.newcastlefans.com/player1/davenelson.htm which shows him moving to Ashford Town. I have a cross reference for this with a section on previous team managers carried in the programme issued at Ashford's home game v Dorchester on 02/05/1987 currently in my possession. I don't want to get into a "do/undo" battle. If you are ok with this (and I reference the web source) are you ok if my edit is reinstated? W — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikipper (talk • contribs) 21:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Tamra-Tacoma Capital Partners

Hi, Per deletion log you had deleted Tamra-Tacoma Capital Partners in August 2013 after PROD expired. The article is re-created. Can you check if the content is same? Can it be CSDed or AfDed? The new re-created page carries a non-existent Template:Wikipedia-deleted at its bottom, which lead me to check the deletion log. Does any such kind of template ever existed? I am suspecting that it may be related to Wiki-PR or something similar PR company and maybe their local template? Also it means that the new user account is definitely a sock. --Vigyani<sub>talk</sub><sup>ਯੋਗਦਾਨ</sup> 07:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

In that case, can you tell me the user account of previous deleted version (for filing SPI)? You can reply here, I will be watching. --Vigyani<sub>talk</sub><sup>ਯੋਗਦਾਨ</sup> 08:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Apologies, the previous creator was Ciscobirds (talk · contribs). GiantSnowman 08:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Yury Konoplev

Hi. Thank you for paying attention to my edits. Just a small question: exactly what inline citations do you expect in a stub article with exactly two sentences of text? The only statement about this player/coach career (that he spent most of it in one club) is pretty obvious from his stats, which I consider already referenced by sources. -BlameRuiner (talk) 09:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

South African case law

I'd like to ask much the same question, mutatis mutandis, about your commentary on some recent edits of my own—"You appear to be creating a number of poorly referenced, or indeed unreferenced, articles about Scottish law"—and to draw your attention to the fact that each of the articles you cite refers explicitly to the law of South Africa. Happy to help. Crusoe (talk) 10:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know that I owe you an explanation, but the reason these articles are so "poorly referenced" is that their subject matter is self-referential. In summarising a case, my main and best reference is, inevitably, that case. This much should be obvious. Crusoe (talk) 13:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

And you seem ignorant of the meaning of the word "interpretation." It is not synonymous with "summary" or "factual exposition." Again, happy to help. Crusoe (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I do tire of repeating myself, and I did think we had covered this ground already. To recapitulate: What I did was to summarise the primary source. Since I have a source, and since I cited that source, I cannot be said to have fallen foul of WP:OR. Since, furthermore, I have not interpreted that source, I have not fallen foul of WP:PRIMARY. (This much you seem, by your silence, to have admitted.) Finally, since a mere summary of the facts does not advance a position, I cannot be said to have fallen foul of WP:SYNTH. This scattershot procedure of yours—you throw everything in sight, in the forlorn hope that something will stick—is a wonder to behold. But life, I fear, is short. Kindly limit all future correspondence to the non-trivial. Crusoe (talk) 18:07, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't make accusations. I was referring to your silence, now broken, on the question of interpretation, which I thought I had successfully addressed. Apparently I have failed, but I really can't do any better than I have, and you show little sign of cottoning on. Sorry. Crusoe (talk) 18:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

No doubt. Crusoe (talk) 18:39, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion

Made a spelling mistake in the title of this article. Created the correct one, could you possibly put a speedy deletion tag on this one please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgins_(Tim_Heckler_album). ThanksKarst (talk) 10:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Grammar bit

Hi there GS, AL "speaking",

i have seen that, more often than not, the preferred approach in this here WP is "In X summer...", whereas i write "In the summer of X...". Even if the former is the correct one, which i have to assume it is given the number of times it is inserted in articles, often by native speakers of English who are trusted users, my question is: the latter form is not entirely wrong is it? I mean who can forget this song (not from your youth, but definitely from mine)?

Kind regards, happy weekend --AL (talk) 12:20, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Why was the page of the actor deleted?

Why was the page of actor Stoney Jackson of the 1994 version Angels in the Outfield and Trespass deleted? BattleshipMan (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

@BattleshipMan: The article was proposed for deletion and nobody objected. However, since you've now apparently disputed the action, as a matter of course I have restored the article. Anybody who thinks it should be deleted can try Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you would like to prevent that from happening, you can add references, and content, to the article. Jehochman <sup>Talk</sup> 14:54, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ban Appeal of AKonanykhin

Hi. Since you contributed to the discussion resulting in the ban of Wikiexperts, you may want to consider the CEO's appeal at Wikipedia:AN#Ban Appeal of AKonanykhin. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 17:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Handsworth F.C. for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Handsworth F.C. is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handsworth F.C. until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Need help

We have a bit of a mess that we need to clear up here. – Michael (talk) 08:41, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:DC

Hello, GiantSnowman. I see you deleted Template:DC; could you please restore it to User:Launchballer/Template:DC because neither EVula, B or J Greb are active; I'd like to put a template across it and I'm interested to see what was there before? It is simply a template to censor categories with, with DC short for "draft category", using source code [[{{#ifexist:{{#titleparts:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|1}}||:}}Category:{{{1}}}]]. Thank you.--Launchballer 09:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Correct, I should've added "|deletingadmin=J Greb" to Template:Rdc but I wasn't sure which admin to specify. I was asking you because none of the three administrators who deleted it are active any more. However, thanks anyway.--Launchballer 12:24, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Your recent moves/edits to articles/categories/templates etc. can be commended per WP:BOLD - but unfortunately they are controversial and undiscussed. The correct venue is WP:RM, WP:CFD and WT:TFD - these moves need consensus behind them. If you continue to make such moves - especially ones to incorrect titles! - without that consensus then your actions could be deemed disruptive and may result in you being blocked from editing. GiantSnowman 09:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

• Hi. GS, I think you are being completely mislead and do not have the facts in hand. I have been following the proper avenues and have been meticulously improving the information that had remained incoherent prior to my immense contributions. Absolutely I should be commended for it - not that I need, request, or desire commendation.
• If you take your time, and really sit down to look through the entire history logs of both myself and what the Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers page looked like, you would see that there was an entire mess. Everything was disorganized. I would gladly have a conversation with you in reference to the methodology used to place the information in order. It is now in a suitable form that is representative of a Wikipedia index.
• From the onset of my entrance to the Wikipedia team, I have been a contributor for the site who has only been bringing more insight by expanding articles or creating new ones. You really should look into my entire contributions before pointing fingers. This is not right and is counterproductive towards Wikipedians who are here to do good.
• I have recently been putting in countless hours of tedious work towards improving the history of the Fort Lauderdale Strikeres and have placed very useful information. The person above who is making the dispute and has come here making requests for your assistance has not made any significant contributions to the history of the team, other than fixing a title that was hyphenated on a couple of articles. If anything, this person should be speaking with me as I am the one who has the proper knowledge of the subject in question and have been making consistent improvements to the relevant articles. Furthermore, you should be speaking to this individual instead as he/she is the one who is editing without proper consultation to users who have been contributing significantly.
• I ask that you seriously do some research on my history from day one to now, and put into proper context the positive value of my participation in Wikipedia. Thank you. NYCWikiKid (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Not at all; you have created a number of categories which duplicate existing ones, and now numerous editors have to tidy up after you. For example, Category:Washington Darts (1970-71 NASL) players - but this category is wrong, per MOS it would be located at Category:Washington Darts (1970–71 NASL) players - or even better would be Category:Washington Darts (1970–71) players or Category:Washington Darts (NASL) players. However, none of them are actually needed or wanted while the club article is simply at Washington Darts. Your effort to improve coverage of American soccer is welcome, but you appear to be editing without thinking/without any knowledge of, or care about, how we operate here. GiantSnowman 13:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

• Tidy up after me? GS, without any sarcasm, no one here is perfect. Everyone here including both you and I can write something and someone else can come in to "tidy up after us" or continue to expand the information we write. That is the beauty of team Wikipedia. It's always about improving the content.
• You bring up a very good example that I will gladly explain. You are right in that Category:Washington Darts (1970-71 NASL) players should be Category:Washington Darts (1970–71 NASL) players. However, that is just a typing adjustment that admins such as yourself can assist with.
• The issue with this particular subject (Washington Darts) is that there are two from different leagues (ASL and NASL) that they belonged to, therefore two teams. Before, there was only one category that existed for the Washington Darts titled Category:Washington Darts players. It had a subcategory titled Category:Washington Darts (ASL) players. The players that were listed were not organized properly in these sections and it was not clear which league or years they played in. I then created a new category titled Category:Washington Darts (1970-71 NASL) players within the Category:Washington Darts players. I then made a recent request (you can look it up) to move Category:Washington Darts players to Category:Washington Darts (1967-71) players. I also requested to move the Category:Washington Darts (ASL) players to Category:Washington Darts (1967-69 ASL) players. This way, when a user would look up the history of the players they would find the appropriate categories and years. I then went player by player and placed each in the right category. Like I said, I did a lot of work, or as you mentioned, I tidied up after others.
• As for the "club" article, this too needs vast improving. The information is a compilation of two teams in two leagues. This should further be distinguished in the same way other teams are. This is not saying that they don't have lineage, as the goal is to preserve it, but to give each their own identity which the respectively deserve.
• Listen GS, I belive you should really give me the benefit of the doubt. You have not really explored my entire contributions. Also, like I have mentioned, I can explain everything that was recently done to the Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers and I will gladly do so. I have greatly improved the category to an organized presentation.
• I care very much about detail and good writing. I appreciate Wikipedia and the fact that people can contribute and collaborate. I am quite informed about different topics and how things are done here. Everything I provide is done so with much thought and care towards how the site is organized. Before you make such accusations, again, read my entire history.
• I think you should get to know me better and we can certainly collaborate. NYCWikiKid (talk) 14:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Nobody has said your other work is poor - in fact I believe I have already said your editing here is more than welcome. However, you really need to understand about how we operate. If you need any help or advice in this regard I am more than welcome to assist, and I suggest you come to me if you think about making such drastic changes again, so we can see if they are worthwhile or not, and get a plan for the best way to go about it. GiantSnowman 14:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

• GS, first, any change I have done has not been drastic (as this sounds harmful). They have been improvements (as this sounds helpful). Yet, I understand that you mean large changes, I hope. I am always looking to find new fellow Wiki collaborators to assist me or I them in working on articles. I reiterate, please do look up in detail what I enhanced in the entire Category:Fort Lauderdale Strikers (it was night and now it is day). You request that I come to you specifically to discuss future similar enhancements. That is fine, I can always talk to someone who would like to place positive input. I am actually in the process of working on something that I will share with you and we can start there and see how we can collaborate. Sounds like a fresh start. Speak to you soon. NYCWikiKid (talk) 14:34, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hamburger SV

Wanton removal of some else's work without any attempted explanation is pig-ignorant arrogance and, in short, vandalism. --Bill (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:NPA before editing further.--Launchballer 07:22, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hi. I see that someone restored the Hitha Prabhakar page that I nominated and you deleted. They apparently have disregarded the central point of the deletion, the non-notability. Can you suggest a solution? Ehusman (talk) 01:20, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I've proposed deletion for it, all you have to do is endorse it.--Launchballer 07:22, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Adeccoligaen

What kind of sources do you need? Adeccoligaen is a fully professional league in Norway. I¨ll put in the links thats needed when you tell me which one you want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.229.211 (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Get a grip

Would you please not question my grip on reality? Unlike you, I am an identifiable living person. Jehochman <sup>Talk</sup> 12:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handsworth F.C.

Ummmm ..... nom created, delete !voted. You can't vote "delete" again on a discussion you opened. Ritchie333 <sup>(talk) (cont)</sup> 14:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Kirby

Hi, you might like to review your !vote at this AfD, as the article has been considerably expanded since. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

More fodder

" makes you sound like a stroppy teenager, or wose." Could you translate that into simple English. If you're going to insult me, remember I'm just a dumb 'Murican. Thanks so much. Jehochman <sup>Talk</sup> 14:54, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Tip

GS, i am in the process of mailing you, please reply in the same fashion when possible.

Cheers --AL (talk) 16:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Further additions, also by e-mail. --AL (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Page Delete

Hi,

You seem to have deleted my page /ventus_gaming on 14 October. It says it was due to not enough valid sources, but I provided a dozen of links to news articles from actual registered media companies. I am new to wiki so not sure what more to do. Let me know please.

CyrusZA (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

(He means Ventus Gaming.) DS (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Dust La Rock deleted

I'm wondering why you deleted my page? As far as I can tell I don't know you and there's no reason why it should have been deleted. Please restore it, thanks.

Joshuaprince (talk) 01:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Pindos (Russian slang).

71.191.189.195 (talk) 07:05, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hamburger SV

Firstly, it is not vandalism - and it is also not your work. I suggest you familiarise yourself with how we operate before commenting/editing further. GiantSnowman 08:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, firstly I accept that vandalism is something different. Secondly, I am well aware that the content does not belong to me and I suggest it is a racing certainty that I know considerably more about copyright than you do. Do not try to twist my meaning as you know perfectly well that I was talking about work done, not work owned.

My issue is that factually correct information which is relevant to the article has been removed in a peremptory manner without any discussion or, especially as I am new to the site, reasonable explanation. I gather your objection centres on the section being wholly statistical but my general impression of football articles is that they are frequently statistical. Take 1982-83 European Cup, for example. Two short paragraphs to introduce it and then statistics only. By your reasoning, that article should be reduced to a mere stub consisting just of the two introductory paragraphs. What is your view on that? Are you going to remove the stats from that article and all the others like it?

If you had chosen to discuss the Hamburg Euro section with me first, I would have explained my intention to summarise all the ties first and then expand each season with narrative. I accept that the article might eventually become too large and so I would suggest Hamburg in Europe as a separate article, as this method is common across the site.

As for me "finding out how you operate", aren't you bound by site policy to offer advice and guidance to newcomers? Perhaps you would care to enlighten me in how you operate, especially as the football project (assuming you are in compliance with its standards) seems to take differing views to other projects. --Bill (talk) 12:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The source is UEFA and it was clearly cited as such in the summary section. I intended to add citations for the match section in due course. I admit I'm unsure about the "ratings" bit which was already there and was not added by me. You haven't answered my question about the European cup articles which are a mass of statistics with nearly no narrative at all. --Bill (talk) 20:16, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

In addition, I suggest you read WP:NEWBIES and consider your action in deleting my inputs, which followed the WP:BOLD policy, without consultation or any attempt at advice or guidance. And then you wonder why I was annoyed about it. --Bill (talk) 21:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. That does help. I'll continue to work on HSV as time allows and try to make further improvements. --Bill (talk) 10:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Nigredo Hotel

Hi GiantSnowman. You had deleted this article as an expired PROD yesterday, and I recreated it today with references. Unfortunately, it had slipped under the WikiProject Opera radar before we could rescue it first time around—it's actually fairly notable as chamber operas go. Anyhow, could you do me a favour and let me know who the creator of the original version was? I had checked to see if any user's talk page was linked to it, but there was nothing, suggesting the nominator hadn't informed them. If they're a newbie, they probably didn't even know how to put the article on watch. I'd like to thank them for starting the article and perhaps encourage them to learn the referencing ropes and stick with Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Reply

What did he create this time? – Michael (talk) 18:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Well he undid your edit on his talk page. A couple days ago, he told me I didn't know anything about the franchise which was none of his business and really had nothing to do with the work of WP:FOOTBALL. Can you set up a CfD for each one? – Michael (talk) 18:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Well I work to do outside of Wikipedia, but I'll get on soon. – Michael (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Scotland women's national under-17 football team

Hello GS, does the Scotland women's national under-17 football team pass GNG and NFOOTY in your opinion? I PROD'ed it as it's not a team at senior level and it has been contested.., Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Why did you delete the page for Southwest hip hop?

--MRivera25 (talk) 19:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)MRivera25

Venezuela (song) page deletion

Hello, I know the deletion of that page was made in march and it may be a bit late to complain about it. While i understand the page may have lacked proper reference for notability, it would have been better to redirect to either of the author´s page rather than deleting the page altogether. The song is in a very strange limbo of information, therefore deleting the page only sinks it more into "internet obscurity". The song is very well known here in Venezuela, but since it was written by Spanish authors for a Venezuelan artist that never used it, the song was never trully comercialized by either it´s original authors or the intended artist. It has numerous covers by various artists and local orchestras, but no comercialization (to my current knowledge). The lyrics are well known, the melody is almost mandatory to be known by any composer. To put it into perspective, the song is recognized by Venezuelans as a third unoficial national anthem, and is well known in many spanish-speaking countries for that very reason. Your desition to delete the page is honestly puzzling to me because of this, but i accept that as an observer it was justified somehow. Even in spanish, it is hard to find concrete information about the song, despite it being so well known. Many of the links to suposed sources are dead or the pages have been deleted. The few evidence in the internet that the song exists at all are numerous lyrics pages, the many download sites with any given version of the song, the youtube videos of the diferent interpretations, and very ocasional references to news articles about it (in the sense of "the song was interpreted at [X] event by [Y] artist/orchestra). Perhaps i ask too much, but since you appear to be a very active user of wikipedia, would you please at least set a redirection in the page of the song to either author? (i am very new to wikipedia and very pressed on time right now) I know a full article is too much to ask, and sadly there is not one, even in the spanish language wikipedia; but at least to keep the record of its existence until someone comes up with a proper article. 06:24, 25 October 2013 (UTC)GlyphDragon (talk)

NYCWikiKid

Hi GS, I was editing Template:Fort Lauderdale Strikers, as I felt it to be extremely cumbersome and was being used more as an infobox than a navbox. I removed duplicate links in the club history section as each link does not link to a different article. I also took out the the elements such as the culture section which did not link to anything, elements of the rivalries section which did not link to articles, or even sections within articles that dealt with rivalries, the important figures section as complete OR and the honours section as it was simply a list of links to season articles that was duplicated by the season section in the template. NYCWikiKid kept reverting. I have tried talking to him about it, suggesting that it is too cumbersome, that it is established practice to split season article templates from overall club templates, and reminded him that it is a navbox not an infobox and directed him to templates such as those for Arsenal which are compact and useful. He just deletes my messages from his talk page and his only reply is similar to much of his comments in the CfD discussions that essentially he is working on improving the articles and everyone should leave him alone until he has finished. I'm a bit concerned he is getting quite OWN-y about these articles now and maybe needs to be spoken to again, or am I making too much out of this? Fenix down (talk) 08:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Strange goings on

Hello. Royroydeb posted this earlier at my talk page. Looking at the review concerned, his concerns do seem at first glance justified (the reviewer only seems to have made four contributions, one of which was to award a barnstar to the editor who nominated the GA). Can you either do whatever needs to be done about this, or advise me where I should take the matter. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 10:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

The other named editor is TheProudEditor. Just looked at his user page for the first time, and he claims to be only just 13. I'm not comfortable with going straight into an SPI if the kid is really that young, and may well not realise that there's anything wrong with what he's done. What if I told him that concerns had been expressed re the Ferguson GA review, explained we weren't allowed to use more than one account, and if the RageSamurai account was his own he'd do better saying so now, and promising not to use it again? And we're getting into issues of competence with such a young editor. Or would it be better doing the SPI, explaining my concerns about inexperience there, thus dumping onto the admins over there :-) How long do SPIs take these days, used to be ages. It's all a bit of a mess... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Well done for the way you handled this last night. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 10:26, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handsworth F.C.

The reason you created the article is because consensus has always been that clubs playing at step 6 (i.e. the Northern Counties East League) are considered notable regardless of their cup exploits. I've added some links to previous discussions to the AfD. Cheers, Number 57

User talk:Martinvl

Can you please fix the unblock template at User talk:Martinvl? It is broken for some reason, and it makes it hard to read for archival purposes. RGloucester — ☎ 20:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

My talk page has gone hay-wire

Hi GiantSnowman

After your last edit, my Talk Page went hay-wire.

Martinvl (talk) 20:26, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Pan Pantziarka

Last month you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:30, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Samoty67

I wont mind you blocking it.RRD13 (talk) 17:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes.RRD13 (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Red link "enabler"

Hi there GS, how's it going?

remember the guy who added full names in red links of footballers, thus messing up any future article creation, amongst other charmers. Well, here's his new address (or the last i found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.181.218.75), seems this one is pretty well used (from 22 to today - the 26th - at least). Judging from that first page, he also seems to rely heavily in Transfermarkt.com as a source. It does not harm anyone as a link, but what i've heard in discussions, it's not acceptable/reliable as a ref isn't it so?

You sir, have been briefed. Cheerio! --AL (talk) 20:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

• And this charming person, GIORGIOS1910, has just joined us today (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Giorgos1910), what did he do? Changed the jersey of several Atlético Madrid players. Subsequently, to avoid looking more of a moron than what he already is, he showed coherence and changed the squad template numbers to meet his "standards". In other words, V-A-N-D-A-L!

Oh well... --AL (talk) 01:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

• I hope you don't think i was out of line in my report, it's exactly what he is acting like here in the "encyclopedia that everybody can edit", don't know how he is in his real life because I've never met him of course. --AL (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

As User:Struway2 aptly puts it (he does not insult anyone, that is not what i'm implying) there comes a time when the "AGF period" comes to a stop, and we all know very well some people have no intention of of making ONE good edit, from the wikicradle to the wikigrave. OK i exceeded myself with the "moron" bit, but he's a vandal 100% sure. Certainly, in all your years as an admin (and user overall), you have come across MANY vandalism-only accounts, am i making a fair assessment?

Thank god i'm not an admin, because i would not last long in that position, due to abuse of power perhaps. This guy Giorgios1910 would be blocked after his first day of "contributions" if it was me who had the last word, and all those like him. I take some time to remind you of User:Antony1821, don't know if you remember his case but he was engaging in some disruptive editing (in those cases i do admit warnings are very helpful and needed), was politely warned and offered assistance and continued to disrupt until he was blocked - before the block came to fruition, he warned that if it did he would sock until the cows (and their calves!) came home, a threat he holds to this day (here is the last one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ddiamond77#October.2C_2013)! If the "m" word cannot be used in this case, what would be an appropriate name?

Kind regards to you as always, from Portugal --AL (talk) 16:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

100% true affirmation on your part. But i told you man, i don't talk to vandals (he who vandalizes an article is a what?) because WP as a whole would be at a loss given i have little to no tact in these situations. Hence, i leave that to folks like you, User:Mattythewhite, User:Thumperward before he froze me for reasons which elude me, etc. I'll keep reporting these persons to your (plural) attention, but will refrain from commenting on the "editors" that i report. --AL (talk) 16:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, a "closer" man: you'll have to take my word for it because i can't provide a diff for the simple reason i can't remember from which vandal/vandalized article i need to retrieve it from ("years go by, articles multiply", great poetry), but once or twice i know it a fact that a given account was blocked after only one warning when it was proved it was a vandalism-only account). Anon IPs also usually never get extended "jail time", but look at what i got here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/177.0.204.119). Cheerio --AL (talk) 16:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

NYCWiki Kid

Hi GS, No response from him on the Template:Fort Lauderdale Strikers talk page, in fact he has continued to add more duplicate links to the infobox that just make it even more unwieldy and hard for anyone other than a non-expert to use. Maybe he needs another word? Fenix down (talk) 09:08, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Godfrey Bloom

Hi GS, you were kind enough to look at a factual dispute with an I/P now peacefully resolved on the talk pages of Godfrey Bloom -I have changed my views! For avoidance of doubt, I have no interest whatsoever in UKIP but given the difficulty checking could you advise whether the cited birth certificate GRO 24/9/2013 BXCF 946132 claiming his father was a gas fitter is sufficient? Although not defamatory per se, it could imply he was not a spitfire pilot. Regards JRPG (talk) 13:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Danko Jones discography

There is a discussion about splitting the Danko Jones discography into its own page. You may visit Talk:Danko_Jones#Split_discography_to_Danko_Jones_discography if you would like to participate. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Buddy23Lee

Could you review this unblock request? While I do not find his statement of being unfamiliar with the rule compelling (he was warned several years ago and had an opportunity to review the policy then), he does seem to deftly cover the case of not repeating the behavior and seeking redress at the various noticeboards designed to prevent this problem. Also, after digging through a long backstory, he does appear to be on the favorable side of a pre-identified BLP issue; removing disputed, blog-sourced material from a biography. Kuru (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Eastern AA Players

Hi GS, an editor has been repeatedly adding back a list of former players and has essentially refused to enter into any discussion with me despite me leaving detailed edit summaries and messages on his talk page. I have asked him that if he must include these that they should include clear inclusion criteria. After much resistance he has simply added the inclusion criterion "this is a random list of players". This doesn't seem enough to me. Is it worth having a look here? Doesn't seem very encyclopedic to me. Fenix down (talk) 20:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

"England, UK" vs "England"

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board#England, UK or just England? on a topic you have recently discussed elsewhere. Please have your say if you wish. Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Page moves by User:Werldwayd

Hey man, can you have a look at a bunch of recent page moves by the above user for football clubs named Nasr and variations of it? I reverted one (NA Hussein Dey) but don't really have time to go through everything, as an admin that's a regular on WP:FOOTY, I figured you'd be the best person to contact regarding this. Seems like user just moved the pages to whatever he felt like, I don't see any logic to his methods. TonyStarks (talk) 05:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Have a look at the first 100 or so edits listed here. Anything with the word Nasr he moved, but he look at how he's moving them, he moves the same page 5 different times before settling on a name he likes. There's absolutely no logic behind any of it, it's like he arbitrarily goes through all the possible options before deciding. The articles in question: Al Nasr Egypt, Al-Nasr SC (Kuwait), Al-Nasr SC (Salalah), Al Nasr SC (Dubai), Al-Nasr SCSC (Benghazi) .. anything with Nasr in it. TonyStarks (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Blocking User: الصارم

I am Admin & crat in urdu wikipedia, and avoid using my admin account on shared computer. So whenever I would like to edit in such situation, I use this alternate account. I request to unblock this account. 182.68.211.189 (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Bruce Watson (songwriter)

Um ... I cleaned this up, and removed your proposed deletion tag. This is clearly a notable Australian folk music singer-songwriter. Please see WP:BEFORE again. Bearian (talk) 16:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to patronize you; I just wanted to remind you to do a search before prodding an unsourced BLP. Bearian (talk) 16:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

João Rodrigo Silva Santos

Hello GS. I believe the newly created João Rodrigo Silva Santos article should be deleted per WP:NOTMEMORIAL... from the Sky News article - "João Rodrigo Silva Santos, 35, was a forward for a number of mostly second-tier Rio de Janeiro football teams before retiring and opening a health foods store.", so hardly GNG either. Will I send it to AfD? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 16:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, at AfD now... JMHamo (talk) 16:41, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I hope teh kitteh makes you feel better. I really didn't mean to be obnoxious; I was just being too pointy. I apologise.

Bearian (talk) 17:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Report / Doubt

Here is another IP from the account User:Giorgos1910 (too much coincidence not to be him, also destroyed several correct jersey numbers, not only in Atlético Madrid (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.242.204.215). Only briefing you, nothing else, did not engage in any summaries or heated conversations with anyone.

Speaking of Atlético, i have a doubt per what i saw in Cristian Rodríguez: if a player makes his international debut for the full side before the U21 team (in South America's case, U20), which order should we respect in the infobox? I believe the one which now stands is the correct one (years), am i right? Please do change it (or tell me to) if i'm not.

Thanks in advance, regards --AL (talk) 18:42, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

• Done. --AL (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Al Nasr moves

Actually Al Nasr is a very common club name for many Arabic sports clubs and football clubs and there are similar named clubs in Kuwait, Benghazi (Libya), Cairo (Egypt), Salalah (Oman), Dubai (UAE), Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), Hussein Dey (Algeria) and Sebkha (Mauritania). There may be other Nasr SCs I couldn't locate. That's too many similar named clubs named arbitrarily. My edits were to have a uniform pattern Al Nasr FC or Al Nasr SC and in parenthesis inserted the name of city). See the disambiguation page Al Nasr SC and you will see how it has been uniformly formatted now, instead of the previous mess of actual same-named clubs. Redirects were even worse arbitrarily directing the reader not to a pool of Nasr clubs, but the preferred club of the editor, according to which editor favoured whichever city he advocated. I amended many such redirects as well to a uniform page Al Nasr SC (and Al Nasr FC redirected to the disambiguation Al Nasr SC...) and the reader can choose whichever club he was looking for from there instead of being forced to a particular page that he might not have been searching, but now a dead-end... The only problematic one in retrospect, was the Algerian club NA Hussein Dey (Nasr Athlétique de Hussein Dey) as all Algerian clubs follow a certain pattern and my renaming of that club spoilt that "Algerian format" by highlighting the Nasr name rather than the unique way all other Algerian clubs are named. That club edits have been reverted. As for your point on correcting many wiki links, I will do that for each club in the new format but provided you approve of the new format or else it is useless if the edits will be reverted to their original status. Give me your opinion of the new setup I implemented before me making the wiki changes as needed. werldwayd (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, I have no problem with such a process. Since you do need consensus for such changes, you have my full permission of reverting immediately all my Nasr edits in one mass revert action. I have listed the clubs effected which are on page Al Nasr SC... Let due process take its course. Or keep the status quo as is (before my edits or as per my edits) whichever way you see fit ... werldwayd (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I will do the reverts, no problem werldwayd (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, after thoroughly reviewing all the edits I effected, I frankly find the new set-up I created very orderly, clear and to the point, except for the Algerian club NA Hussein Dey that has been reverted to earlier status anyway. The rest in my opinion should stay as per my original amendments. werldwayd (talk) 19:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Adam Priestley

I said that there is a precedent, not a consensus. My logic is that when an unofficial national team plays ANY match, it is unofficial. And yet we allow those matches to be recorded on pages. For example, all of the high-profile players for the Catalonia national football team like Cesc Fàbregas have their matches for the nation recorded but no match that Catalonia plays is official. Just because Gibraltar vs. Hibernian isn't as high profile doesn't make it less official. I'm not saying that this match alone is enough to necessarily keep the article from being deleted at this point but I think that as long as the page stands, we should at least include the cap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gri3720 (talk • contribs)

Tahita Bulmer

Well, I'm afraid that I don't agree that there's consensus for a merge/redirect. Apart from yourself, only one person called for that outcome, another called for a straight redirect (without merge), and another explicitly supported the status-quo. 33% does not a consensus make. On a semi-related and purely technical matter, per the instructions at WP:AFD, articles shouldn't be taken to AFD with a request to merge or redirect, they should go to Wikipedia:Proposed mergers instead. Lankiveil <sup>(speak to me)</sup> 12:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC).

I should probably have also added that I did find the Merge and Redirect rationales quite feeble, since they both cited a lack of (reliable) sources, while User:Cerebellum came up with sources from The Guardian and The Independent which fit the bill (and personally I think "The Quietus" qualifies as well, although opinion may not be unanimous for other editors on that). It's not enough to tip it to "Keep", based on the numbers, but I don't see how I could interpret that discussion as a consensus to do any particular thing given the problems with some of the arguments made. Lankiveil <sup>(speak to me)</sup> 12:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC).

Armando Vajushi

I just added that he played in a bulgarish team Litex, among his compatriot albanian Jurgen Gjasula, but ok i'm finding a reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk • contribs) 12:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

but I saw correct at transfermarkt.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk • contribs) 12:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

but transfermarkt have any match caps and goals correct updated every day — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk • contribs) 12:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Gibraltarian football biography stubs

Hi there. I try to respect other peoples opinion without putting too much effort in trying to "convince" other editors that disagree with me. But in this case, I want to let you know that I believe your vote in this CfD contradicts the guideline for stub-templates. Mentoz86 (talk) 09:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough :) Mentoz86 (talk) 13:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Juan Carlos

Deportivo Rayo Cantabria (in fact, Agrupación Deportiva Cantabria Rayocan) was established in 1993. Juan Carlos played in SD Rayo Cantabria a full 25 years before Deportivo Rayo Cantabria was established.L'irlandés (talk) 08:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Exactly, that's my point: Rayo Sport Miranda was created as a juvenile (i.e. not senior) club in 1926, changed its name to SD Rayo Cantabria and became a senior team, joined (or merged, depending on the point of view) with Unión Montañesa (est. 1919) after the Civil War becoming Unión Juventud Rayo, changed back to SD Rayo Cantabria, and in 1993 became Real Racing Club de Santander B as a result of the new Sports Law implemented that Summer; Racing B went on with the same players and in the same category (Tercera División). As a result of that, the ex-president of SD Rayo Cantabria created a new society, Agrupación Deportiva Cantabria, whose football team started playing in the lowest level of Cantabrian football (Primera Regional), and with a registration number different from SD Rayo Cantabria. And they have a different number because they are not the same club.L'irlandés (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

By the way, in 1993 they had to ask permision from Racing in order to be able to use the name Rayo Cantabria in the new club; of course, it was granted.L'irlandés (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

European Academy of Diplomacy

I would like to discuss the recent deletion of the above mentioned page. I am not sure how a diplomatic academy recognized by Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the International Forum on Diplomatic Training and countless heads of states and ambassadors is viewed a yellow pages entry or promotion. If listing the programs is the problem, then an edit could be conducted. Additionally, our contemporary institutions and partners are on wikipedia in similar fashion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Worlledge (talk • contribs) 13:30, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

The Prince of Wales's Own West Yorkshire Regiment

The correct name of the Regiment at the time when Bradford City were using the Belle View barracks was the above.92.22.155.0 (talk) 20:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Next day scenarios

Hi. I just need to know what to do. Someone added next day scenarios at 2013–14 UEFA Champions League group stage and I have been told not to include these. Therefore I reverted the edit and then he reverted me back. In the following discussion after I got reverted (did not want to edit war) I provided a dispute resolution here, that was closed with comment "Resolved against inclusion of the material". However this editor feel this is not consensus and added WT:FOOTY discussions, were consensus was never reached. One of my main concerns is that these scenarios added are complicated and I even found one of them not true. They are to me WP:OR and he has shown now calculations (which should be on talkpage if he wants to include them). How do you feel? What should I do? Open a new dispute resolution? QED237 (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I must add that our discussions has so far taken place on my talkpage User talk:Qed237#Matchday scenarios, but maybe I should bring the subject up on article talkpage. QED237 (talk) 21:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

BLP PROD removal

Regarding this removal of the BLP PROD on Trent Swords: did you actually check the given reference? Can you find the name Trent Swords anywhere on the St Helens' website? I was unable to do so. WikiDan61<sup>ChatMe!</sup><sub>ReadMe!!</sub> 19:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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NYCWikiKid

He's at it again, this time with all the NASL club templates as well as left a message on Template talk:NASL2010. There's information that is not needed. – Michael (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Some of it somewhat relates to those categories that were created. – Michael (talk) 01:06, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I just started a discussion on WT:FOOTY. – Michael (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, I left a message on his talk page. But it looks like he's ignoring my posts because he's still messing with all the templates instead of reading any of our discussions. – Michael (talk) 09:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Assistance

Hi there GS, AL "here",

could you please weigh in at this message (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PeeJay2K3#Ricardo_L.C3.B3pez_Felipe)? Please pay particular attention to point #3, earlier this year (i think it was you but it was most definitely an admin) someone told me that we should try to write "2004-05 season" instead of "2004-05" to avoid having readers confusing seasons with years, now this happens? Quite puzzling i repeat...

Thank you very much in advance, cheers --AL (talk) 15:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Case closed i wager... However, if we right the word "season" more than once, it would also make sense wouldn't it? --AL (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

If it doesn't sound weird when you read it out loud, chances are it's OK. – PeeJay 17:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Football "strips"

Another previous AfD for your list! Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liverpool F.C. strip - Thanks, C679 10:44, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nadia Bolz-Weber (2nd nomination)

You don't need to comment, but out of common courtesy i should of posted here to notify you of the fact i name dropped you when i created AFD the other day.Blethering Scot 17:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	You are the pride and joy of Wikipedia! Without people like you Wikipedia would not move forward! Banaster Giver Extra Polite (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

I'm giving you this because I just think you deserve it. - (I'm actually very old and conservative about handing out these kinds of things :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Lo Graf von Blickensdorf

Could the deleted article be moved to my userspace for adding sources? --Ittoqqortoormiit (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Identifying to WMF

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On a personal note, thanks very much for stepping forward to take on this responsibility. Risker (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Can I?

Hey GS! Can I create an article of a football match between Loyola Meralco Sparks and Blue Guards because of their huge scoreline 33-0 in the 2013 UFL Cup? I just wanna know if this can be accepted so that in the future this may not be deleted and may not cause trouble. Sources:[70], [71] [72] and [73] Thanks! FairyTailRocks (talk) 12:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure mate, I will send you a message if it's done. FairyTailRocks (talk) 12:53, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Jake Reeves

I was just about to provide references if you weren't so quick on the draw! Beatpoet (talk) 15:39, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 11 November

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New football article archive files

Hello. As nothing's yet fallen in a heap, I'm assuming that those archive files whose content was merged into the new-format archives, per WT:FOOTY#New articles archive files, can be safely deleted. Could you do that, or do I have to tag them with something and go through a formal procedure? List below: cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:36, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles/2007 Archive2
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles/2008 Archive2
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles/2008 Archive3
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• Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles/2013 Archive3

help

hey im trying to get my head round everything , I've seen loads of missing info for the BURY FC pages and players so i will start on it when i'm back from work . where do i put the signature as ive seemed to make a mistake on the page AGAIN .. and cheers for the heads up about referencing ill remember as a matter of urgency in future KRogers77 (talk) 13:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Restoration of deleted page

Hi Snowman, I was wondering if it were possible for you to undelete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-Mod. It still has a bunch of references towards it and the article still contained valid links. (also I'm referencing it in a thesis I'm writing).

Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.32.160 (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Ton Pattinama

The article is unreferenced. It lists no references or sources. If you are referring to external links, then feel free to access that external site, extract the required information and then reference the article from it correctly instead of wasting time leaving facetious messages on my talk page. Cheers. Blackberry Sorbet (talk • contribs) 20:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Its pretty obvious its a valid reference regardless of what format it is in.Blethering Scot 20:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Re:Loyola Meralco Sparks and Blue Guards

Hey GS! I've completely finished my article on a football match between Loyola and Blue Guards, what can you say? FairyTailRocks (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh I see, I will ask this to more users that I know but anyways, thank you for the opinion. Cheers! FairyTailRocks (talk) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Categories (and related stuff)

Hi there SNOWY, how's it going?

I really wish there was a better way to add categories automatically, yes you have told me there is no harm done with adding them to the bottom of the list, but to me (am i on "over-picky mode"?) it makes little sense to have categories about leagues, clubs, expatriate and manager stuff all lined up and then another club cat.

Speaking of the new one you added, CD Basconia footballers, i see that you have been misled by the page move, yet another undiscussed one by User:ZZ86 who has an history of that and, apparently, not talking to anyone that is not his (Spanish) countryman. The club's current name is still CD Baskonia, but maybe this user has something against the Basque or i don't know.

Kind regards --AL (talk) 18:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

• No mate, i know you can add cats automatically, just wished you could do that and not have the category in the bottom of the list unless it "belonged" there. --AL (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Bingo, that's a (very nice) option! Now, will find you a source or two about current name of BASKONIA ballclub. --AL (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

This one, from 2009, refers to the club as BASKONIA (see here http://joinfutbol.com/es/presentacion_del_baskonia_segundo_equipo_filial_del_athletic_de_bilbao_20793.php), whereas this much more recent one (2013) refers to the club as BASCONIA, the puzzling bit being that it's from the Athletic Bilbao official website (here http://www.athletic-club.net/web/main.asp?a=4&b=3&c=6&d=0&idi=2), one would think that the Basque (as the Catalans for example) would be "dangerously" proud of their heritage and language - BASKONIA is most certainly the Basque pronunciation, and BASCONIA the Spanish one - but if the official web as the club named as that, i guess we can leave it as it is.

Sorry for any inconvenience, ciao! --AL (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

• I was hoping for some assistance, but i see you keep creating new categories and the cat goes to the last place still. If a player has played for eight clubs and (example) CF Reus Deportiu is the seventh, then it should go in seventh place in Spanish clubs the player represented. I repeat, much less coherent is when you have all categories arranged and then another club cat appears in the end, AFTER all the international, expatriate and manager stuff. But that's OK, i'll do it alone.

But since i want to help, and as it has to do with articles to which you added categories: Francisco Carbià Barrera, Javier Mandaluniz and Aitor Fernández Abarisketa are 200% non-notable. --AL (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Another two, Antonio Bello and Antonio Trujillo Díaz have only played in Segunda División B thus far. --AL (talk) 01:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Agyiri

Could you perhaps elaborate on what counts as a verifiable source amongst the various sources cited on that page? Aside from that someone made a fancy little template to turn a Soccerbase profile page into a properly-formatted link, I'm not sure why it counts as any more or less verifiable than, say, transfermarkt, which has a considerably higher profile amongst football fans.

Also, just as a friendly hint, while I understand that admins such as yourself probably have a little JavaScript thingy to warn people with only a click of a button, might I ask that you consider the impact of the message you pasted on my Talk page? I admit that my blood gets up a little quicker than it should do when I feel I've been slighted - even when I in fact haven't, as I suspect [hope?] in this instance - but that big orange exclamation mark icon does feel just a little bit like your teacher taking out their big red "Try harder" stamp and plastering it onto your exercise book. It does feel just a touch unjust, especially when you consider that I have been on Wikipedia longer than yourself, and I do know how to cite references. I simply object to their being used unnecessary on tables when the references exists perfectly visibly - in fact, even more visibly - in the same article. Surely the personal touch elicits better responses from those you are warning? Falastur2 <sup>Talk</sup> 18:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Out of interest, how is one supposed to know that TM is not reputable but SB is? I'm not aware of any list which dictates what websites we are authorised to use. Falastur2 <sup>Talk</sup> 18:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Biting an IP

Hi. I have a concern about an editor and I did not know were to turn (WP:ANI maybe?). It is an experienced editor that undid a IP-edit with the edit summary "are you retarded?" here. I gave him a level 1 warning for personal attack (thought it was the best warning) and then he removed it with the edit summary "don't patronise me, the guy was retarded to make that edit" here. This continued for a while he kept saying that he dont care about my warning and that the edit and the IP was stupid and also " I have seen your message and will continue to ignore it." here. I am shocked with this kind of behaviour from an experienced editor. Is there something else I can do, because I dont find this kind of behaviour acceptable? WP:DONTBITE I think is very good for this case. QED237 (talk) 00:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) - Is the behaviour acceptable? No, not in the slightest. However, I have also got no clue if the IP is being a willful vandal, or is just completely and utterly misinformed (to put it kindly), because their edit summary is 100% backwards. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 00:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The IP has edited since january 2013 and has made a lot of edits (according to his contributions history) without a single warning. It was not the best of edits, but most likely just a mistake. Dont seem like a vandal to me. No need for name calling at all. QED237 (talk) 00:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I'll have a quick word. @Qed237: - please bear in mind WP:DONTTEMPLATETHEREGULARS. GiantSnowman 08:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, i did not now about that one, I will definately keep it in mind. QED237 (talk) 10:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe ignore it next time? It's not your buisness, it was peejay, the IP and maybe the/an admin. They can solve the problem(s), if there is any, themselves. Kante4 (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

To take an example from real life, if I see a kid bullying another thing I say something and dont look the other way. This is an experienced editor (a big kid) "bullying" a less experienced editor (smaller kid) and I felt I had to say something. What else, should this go on until the smaller kid leaves school and move? Maybe not the best comparison but It still applies, to me I cant let experienced editors upset other editors making them leave. Wikipedia is for everyone. QED237 (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Pfff... but this is NOT real life. Everyone here is/should be a grown-up and handle his own things. Kante4 (talk) 01:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I dont acccept grown-ups acting like this either. Name-calling is not grown-up he was acting like a child. QED237 (talk) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Somebody needs to be told that "retarded" is not acceptable language. "I noticed that you called another editor 'retarded' in an edit summary. While you may not have liked their edit, could you please use civilized language in the future, because words like 'retarded' can be hurtful and create a bad work environment. Thank you." This is why templated warnings are a bad idea. It is more useful to leave a personalized message if the goal is to correct the bad behavior. Jehochman <sup>Talk</sup> 12:46, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Jehochman Yes, I totally agree. I made a mistake using a template just as GiantSnowman mentioned above, I just thought it was an appropriate template to use (and it was only level 1). Next time I will definately use a personalized message instead, but I will not just let it pass like User:Kante4 suggested (unless an other editor has already said something). QED237 (talk) 12:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Removing birth/deathplaces from opening bracket

Hello. When you do it, please would you replace them somewhere appropriate in the article rather than removing them entirely. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 11:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

This one wasn't unreferenced. Nor was this one. Nor was this one (well, the death place might have been an assumption). Nor was this one, although pretty well everything else in the article is. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

So you're removing material from a one-and-a-half-sentence non-BLP stub, as at Bill Armstrong (footballer), which was entirely and inline sourced to a RS book from the first creation of the page, because you yourself can't see the book?

Please have a fresh look at WP:V, which reads (my highlighting): "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed" and "When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that there may not be a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable." And lower down the page, at WP:SOURCEACCESS, it says, "Do not reject sources just because they are hard or costly to access. If you have trouble accessing a source, others may be able do so on your behalf". cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

And "Clean up using AWB" accurately describes removal of sourced content, does it... As noted above, when removing or challenging content as potentially unverifiable, we're supposed to say what we're doing and why. The explanatory footnote (#3 on WP:V) finishes up by saying "it is advisable to communicate clearly that you have a considered reason to believe that the material in question cannot be verified". cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:04, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

At Bill Armstrong (footballer), the entire sentence-and-a-half was inline-referenced to a book which I have no reason to suppose unreliable, and had been so ever since the stub was created by a reputable editor, so I have no reason to assume the information to have not come from that source. The same is the case at Bill Cockburn. At Billy McGlen, the birthplace was verifiable from the only reference, an online source, present in the article. You did remove the birthplace at all three of those articles. I'm sorry, and it's a pity it's got so silly, because in general I have a lot of respect for you as an editor, but I can't possibly retract saying you removed sourced content in those cases.

I will remove the unsourced place of death that I restored at Bill Burtenshaw. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Beal's conjecture

GiantSnowman,

Thank you for blocking DavidMichaelFabian. However, I'd like to suggest that you look at the situation before sending out form warnings. The one you sent me said

please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution.

If you had looked at the situation more carefully, you would have seen that I did use the article's talk page, that I did use BRD, and that I did post a request at a noticeboard. I was trying to enforce the no original research rule and the BRD rule. Moreover, for some days I had been simply vetting his original research, a lenient approach, in an effort to avoid having to deal with a person who wants to use Wikipedia as his own place of publication of his research. But when I finally took it to the talk page, he simply ignored it.

Frankly, it is discouraging being a committed editor who tries to enforce the rules only to be bitten. Duoduoduo (talk) 12:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not against the rules for you to use some common sense. This was not a dispute about the accuracy of the content -- it was a dispute about whether material that he himself described as original research can go in a Wikipedia article. The rules say it cannot. I told him that on the talk page, and my doing so was BRD. The only reason I, and two other people, had to keep reverting was that he refused to engage on the talk page.

Please bear in mind the difference between people who want to use Wikipedia for illegitimate means and people who are trying to defend Wikipedia from them. Duoduoduo (talk) 13:08, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

It's commonplace among administrators to give a friendly comment of suggestion to an experienced defender and extender of Wikipedia, rather than to give a canned warning. Why not just tell me in a friendly way that I should have gone to ANEW after the first time he ignored my effort to BRD, rather than give me a canned warning that wrongly implied I did not try BRD and wrongly implied I did not take it to an administrators' page? Is there no value in avoiding stressing out the people who are trying to obey the rules and to enforce them on others? Duoduoduo (talk) 13:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi GS :)

Sent you an email. Wishes. Wifione <sup>Message</sup> 14:18, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Douglas Lee

A number of months back you redirected Douglas Lee to The Big Texan Steak Ranch. A new page Douglas Lee (choreographer) has now been published, and I was going to add a link to this new page from the disambiguation page for Douglas Lee, but as the latter isn't a disabiguation page I was trying to see why it redirects where it does, and looking at The Big Texan Steak Ranch I couldn't see the connection. Is there any chance that you could enlighten me please? - David Biddulph (talk) 15:50, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Irawan

Hi there GS, AL "speaking",

article created for the third (or FOURTH!) time, last time i remember you said something about salting the page to avoid its recreation, well they went around that measure and created piece again.

Player was not notable when we deleted it the last time, he's not notable now as he's not appeared for RCD Espanyol's first team still (speaking of which, here's his BDFUTBOL.com entry as of the end of the 2012-13 season http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/j/j301802.html). Don't know if him being now an Indonesian international alters his WP status, but i leave it to your attention, you'll be the (ever so capable) judge.

Cheers, keep it up --AL (talk) 17:31, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

• Was i out of order in this message or any of our last interactions, or a summary maybe? I don't think so but i'd really like to know so i can duly apologize. I really don't understand this situation, all the other editors that have posted AFTER me have received a reply, kind of leaves me wondering. --AL (talk) 23:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Next matchday scenarios

Hello! I invite you to a new discussion on the matter: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Next matchday scenarios. Ivan Volodin (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

President Abdulla Yameen,

Hello Snowy,

May i know why you have removed a lot of writing in the article of Abdulla Yameen Abdul Gayoom ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iguhussain (talk • contribs) 20:31, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I remove the unreferenced and/or promotional material per our WP:BLP policy. GiantSnowman 20:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay good to know. Many thanks for your effort then. Thank you once again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iguhussain (talk • contribs) 20:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Nardiello stats table

Hello GS, was I right to remove unsourced stats table from Daniel Nardiello as I see my change was reverted. I don't have time to add individual citations at the moment, so I thought it's better removed than have something that's potentially misleading. Your opinion welcome. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 01:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

NFootball

Hi GiantSnowman, I have a question on my talk page about the notability guidelines. Do you think you could weigh in here about whether he meets the guideline? Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Number 57

Hi GS. Another user has commented that Number 57 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) seems to be performing an awful lot of reverts. I took a look and I agree it is a concern, especially as I don't see a lot of discussion going on, just reverting. I warned the user a few days ago for reverting instead of discussing during a disagreement I was having with him. I am therefore too involved to take administrative action against him. Would you be able to have a look at it? (I chose you because you recently looked at a naming issue which the user has also seemingly unilaterally enforced although it was under active discussion.) Thanks for anything you can do. --John (talk) 06:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Entertaining. Have a look at the history of {{Scottish elections}}, User talk:John and Template talk:Scottish elections and see who was not applying BRD. You might also want to check the truthfulness of a certain user's comments both here (about the claim of "instead of discussing") and at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons before making a judgement on the facts. Unfortunately said editor now has a grudge against me, so is looking for any excuse to have action taken against me. The more recent complaint is about my reverts of some unwarranted additions to UK general elections which I discussed on the talk page of the user who added them (the complainant to John conveniently failed to mention this and clearly John failed to verify the claim before running off to the authorities). Enjoy! Number 57 08:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi guys - not sure why I've been brought into this but I'll give it a shot...

John, the "naming issue" you think both myself and N57 were recently involved in - do you mean the Manchester United Gibraltar article? If so there was no "active discussion" about the name, the discussion was about fixing a C&P move. I even clearly said I had no opinion on the 'correct' name, I was just trying to fix the page histories. N57 is a fellow admin and you should discuss the matter rather than warn, and I see no reason to take action against any party here.

N57 - if you are going to make those kind of reverts it would be helpful to explain why in your edit summary.

GiantSnowman 09:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks GiantSnowman for replying. I had no idea N57 was a "fellow admin"; he certainly doesn't seem to behave like one! I hope you're not implying that as an admin he is immune to corrective action for his (apparently routine) edit-warring without justification? Because honestly if I hadn't just been involved in a dispute and I saw that behaviour, I would block and remove the rollback tool. How somebody with this tenuous a grasp on wikiquette got to be an admin boggles the mind and to me makes them more liable to be held to a high standard, not less. --John (talk) 17:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

And I see this has been a long-term pattern; edit-warring over flags was an issue as long ago as 2007 and the user ought to have been blocked for his inflammatory contributions here, in the same year. But if you're willing to let them off for being an admin I can only wait and watch with a view to an RfC/U, I guess. --John (talk) 17:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

No, my "fellow admin" comment was to say that me rushing in and issuing blocks or warnings would not be a good move. If you believe there is a long-term issue with this editor then I agree RFCU is the logical step - though if you can avoid that and discuss it between you then all the better! GiantSnowman 18:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Alternative Account Password

Hi Snowy, I lost my password for my alternative account DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER. There is no email attached to that account only my main one, what can I do? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 14:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Seems silly given I have access to my main account I can't retrieve the password. If I create a new alternative account say User:DUCKISJELLY can you transfer the history? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the help. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I knew nothing was afoot, now high-five me! Thanks for making WP a better place, i could never do the work you're doing! AL (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

A follow-up question still on the article you deleted: last year or so, i asked you if Fernando Silva (footballer born 1977) was notable, because he had only played in Tercera División so far. You said he was because he was an Andorran international. Thus, what's the difference between Mr.Silva and Mr.Irawan WP-wise? Since i barely show up now at the WP:FOOTY forums, i must have missed something, please enlighten me. --AL (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, i remember logging on to NFT.com yesterday, and saw that strange "configuration", he has an entry but no caps... Case solved (until they create it again?) --AL (talk) 18:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong man, i NEVER doubt your skills or judgement, it's just last year you also prevented page from being recreated, and the guy(s) got around that and recreated it just the same :( --AL (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

One final reply

GiantSnowman, please take a look here at my final, sincere comment on the matter of the Beal's conjecture warning. Duoduoduo (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Celtic F.C.

What would your thoughts be on lowering the protection on the page from semi to pending changes. The page does have a long history of vandalism but i would like to think pending changes should be able to handle it. My opinion is its worth trying as indef term semi in my view can be excessive without trying lowering it.Blethering Scot 22:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I know I would need to go through the proper place. Just wanted to make sure it was a good idea before I asked, just wasn't very sure. Blethering Scot 15:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thiago Motta

Again, was it something i said? I'm going the extra mile to improve the piece(s), why this mate? I repeat what i said in my summary, REF#36 tells of him scoring against Slovenia.

Attentively --AL (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

• Said ref is dead now i see, but it's not my fault. However, from what I've seen in numerous articles, old UEFA.com references can be "rescued" through an archive service, am i not correct? Again, sorry for any inconvenience --AL (talk) 15:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to ask this with all candure, i really don't understand my dear wiki-friend: what is the difference between inserting unreferenced stuff in articles and embracing WP:BOLD? Kind of puzzling to me... Also, I'm prepared to face the consequences of reverting an admin (TWICE), if you think i deserve a block or a warning, i'll comply. --AL (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

• Added another source to the STATISTICS section, to "make it up to you"! --AL (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Please "clarify me", what is the difference between inserting unreferenced stuff in articles and embracing WP:BOLD? --AL (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Caolan McAleer

Just so we're clear - that wasn't vandalism. His loan move to Albion Rovers broke down (http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2013-2014/october_2013/mcaleer_loan_falls_through) and he's now agreed a move to Airdrieonians (http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2013-2014/november_2013/mcaleer_heads_out_on_loan). So why you thought that legitimate edit was vandalism; I've no idea. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.250.178 (talk) 23:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

For my own edification -- unblock request

Isn't an admin other than the one who blocked supposed to review the unblock request? Or does blatant violation of WP:NLT override that? I have no doubt that any other admin would decline the request—just wanted to know what the line is on this. --Jprg1966 <sup>(talk)</sup> 18:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I doubt there's any use in me raising the issue further since the outcome of the unblock request would be clear as day for anyone else. I guess we can chalk your decision up to BOLDness, which is understandable in this instance. --Jprg1966 <sup>(talk)</sup> 18:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I see. Perhaps I should have read the INVOLVED guidelines first. No problem that I see, then. --Jprg1966 <sup>(talk)</sup> 18:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Mentoz86 (talk) 22:17, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:AFD request for United Football Club Philippines

Hey GS! There is an article of a football club that has completely no references to it and fails WP:N so I'm nominating it for deletion. The entry is here, your opinion? FairyTailRocks (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Lambeth slavery case

Is there any chance you could help me expand the Lambeth slavery case? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Just structure and general expansion. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request

Hey GS! Can you delete an WP:AFC request, since it hasn't been updated in the last 12 months. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Channel 5 (Cambodia) Thanks! FairyTailRocks (talk) 08:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

James Kwesi Appiah

Stop threatening me I am a 8 year member of this site and know the rules. Is there a source by Cesare Prandelli's age on his wikipedia page?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Prandelli

Why the obsession and arrogance? Who are you to threaten to ban an 8 year member? What do you know? Now, apologize for your arrogance.

Medicineman84 (talk) 17:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Hogan/Wall

I've had a stab at a compromise regarding Wall's views on Jimmy Hogan over on Frederick Wall - the reference doesn't support your proposed wording (although it certainly supports that Wall harboured antipathy towards Hogan). I've opened a discussion on the talk page, so please feel free to chip in. Badgerpatrol (talk)

Real Madrid assists

Hello GS, could you please warn User:Xboxandhalo2 for adding Assists to the 2013–14 Real Madrid C.F. season season article against consensus [74].. I feel this user is being disruptive, as he knows that there is a clear feeling that assists should not be included. JMHamo (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I think it'd be wiser to warn User:JMHamo on how to read English and analyze points made at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_81#Assists, and WP:Consensus for good measure, in determining and identifying consensus. You and I both know that discussion ended in a long, bitter stalemate with ample proponents on both sides. Thanks. Bobby (talk) 02:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I am requested for the page to be fully protected while we discuss this AGAIN! JMHamo (talk) 02:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

There's no need to be pointy. Just assume good faith. It's beneficial for Wikipedia. Bobby (talk) 02:09, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Disagree... we will discuss this ALL again over the coming days... page protection request submitted. JMHamo (talk) 02:11, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

@Xboxandhalo2: - there was quite clear opposition to the inclusion of assists, which you full well know. What did you seek to achieve by adding them back in? Your behaviour here is sly and disruptive, and that is putting it mildly. GiantSnowman 12:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

@Xboxandhalo2: And he has continued again, a block for edit warring or disruptive editing soon? QED237 (talk) 13:30, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm INVOLVED, you need to raise the issue at ANI or simply report him at AIV. GiantSnowman 13:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sorry I did not think about that. I will put disruptive warning on him now and if he continues, report. QED237 (talk) 13:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I have now raised issue at ANI, seen at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Xboxandhalo2 violates consensus (WT:FOOTY) about assist and I notified him on his talkpage here. Just thought I should let you know. QED237 (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Date?

No, I don't want to go out with you, because you're too big and cold. But you might be interested in Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Flavors_of_date_uncertainty. EEng (talk) 06:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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NPA

It isn't a personal attack because WP:FOOTBALL is not a person. In particular the project does not reside in your person, as you seem to think it does! I hope this the last hectoring bilge I need to clean up off my talkpage. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 20:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Header

We both linked to the same place, probably should reword. You're the EC person, so I'll defer on the wording to you. Sorry if I complicated things. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Harold Hofmann

Concerning your edit, he had recently died. WP:BDP states that a certain period of time should be given to allow proper sourcing after death, if the information added is not defamatory. While I didn't immediately source what was added, your removal certainly caused improper formatting.

But that okay, it's fixed now. Next time, may I suggest a "cite needed" tag, rather than causing a sketchy article that the contributor might not catch? — Wyliepedia 05:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Please can you explain what you mean by "causing a sketchy article that the contributor might not catch"? GiantSnowman 12:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

"Sketchy" - as in: your removal, first of all, left an incomplete sentence. But it's fixed now. — Wyliepedia 20:11, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Delete and WP:DYK request

Hey GS! I've nominated United Football Club Philippines for deletion and majority of it voted for deletion. Can you archive the discussion and delete the page? Also, can I request for a review for my nomination Blue Guards F.C. to appear at WP:DYK? cause after (almost) five days it hasn't been reviewed. Thank you! FairyTailRocks (talk) 10:50, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

My page deleted

Hi GS. Noticed page about my football career has been deleted on the 7th of October http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Dragas. Could you please return the page. Many thanks... Cheers, BD... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.167.218 (talk) 05:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikify request

Can you userfy Film Sack and Talk:Film Sack and both full histories under User:Lexein? Thanks. --Lexein (talk) 14:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Jeju United FC

Please join the Jeju United FC and Bucheon SK merge discussiion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jeju_United_FC#Merger_proposal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.118.16.167 (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. The thread is here. Admiral Caius (talk) 18:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Lexein/Film Sack

Improved it with award ref, and many podcast reviews, mostly by other podcasters and podcast review sites. In your opinion, is it sourced well enough for restoring to mainspace yet? --Lexein (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Warning

Look at the articles I have created today, they have references for all I have created except for the Saudi article of which i'm looking for right now. Bahrain, Bangladesh articles created today and referenced. So whats your problem? Druryfire (talk) 19:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Since you blocked me, you might find that every article I've created is referenced. So why you still pursuing me? I can show you articles that I haven't created that don't have references but you do nothing about them, yet you appear to have an agenda to follow me around and taunt me yet the evidence of the pages you highlight have references - they are referenced, you say badly because of what reason? Read from the article you sent me It does not mean perfection is required. Articles can be improved in small steps, rather than being made perfect in one fell swoop. Small improvements are our bread and butter. Jesus, create an article only today and appears you want perfection against the guidelines provided. Druryfire (talk) 20:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Have I referenced all articles I created today? Yes. Do you know how hard it is sometimes to find a suitable references? I'm guessing no. End of the day, I've referenced the articles I've created. What more do you want from me? You notice I edited the Saudi article, then you sent me a message whilst I was still editing (adding references). You've jumped the gun mate. Less than 12 hours of an article creation and your jumping down my throat yet let other unreferenced articles that have been around for months just slip on through. Druryfire (talk) 20:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

And like I told you it's referenced, so what you harping on about? Go talk to someone else who hasn't referenced an article. Don't talk to me about referencing articles when I have. Druryfire (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I've referenced the page. So how is that ignoring your advice? Druryfire (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me. I've referenced the articles. I'm stating a fact here. Your continuing to leave messages on my Talk Page in the hope of forcing me away. I think your manner in all this is totally wrong. Just man up and move on. Druryfire (talk) 20:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Giuseppe Rossi

Let's not fight over this. I think the problem is that we both have a different impression of what should be listed under "Youth career" and "Senior career". IMO, "Youth career" should cover the period until the end of a player's involvement with a club's youth teams, but "Senior career" may start as soon as the player is either officially promoted to the first team or makes his first team debut (promotion to the first team may occur long before debut, as I'm sure you realise). These two periods can, of course, overlap, as they did in Rossi's case. What's your opinion? – PeeJay 20:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like an odd decision to make, especially in cases where a player may make a tokenistic debut at the age of 16 (in the League Cup or in a dead rubber game at the end of a season, perhaps) and yet his youth career (i.e. playing for the club's under-18s or under-21s) continues for another two or three years. Should this perhaps be re-examined? – PeeJay 20:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

HiLo48

I wonder if you might give me some advice regarding the conduct of User:HiLo48. They keep signing off their comments on talk pages with "LOL", obviously to exhibit a level of disdain for the users they are engaged with. I believe this borders on incivility, and when I explained to HiLo48 as such, I simply received the aforementioned response. Do you think they're being uncivil to "laugh" at other people's contributions, and if so, what can an admin such as yourself do about it? – PeeJay 00:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Is it selective, or only during disputes? Just one editor, or all? Personally, I haven't had any particularly uncivil interactions with HiLo48. I have had to deal with an editor who used cryptic edit summary acronyms as hidden insults. It took six months and five editors plus an administrator insisting all at once to convince him to either explain the acronym or stop using it. What I'm saying is, you might have to wait for other editors to complain spontaneously, then gather together. WP:CANVASing won't help, or work, and will backfire. Monitoring the user's contributions is pretty much the way to go, in my opinion. I support gentle, persistent reminders that kidding around resembles mockery when rendered in plain text, and mocking other users fails WP:CIVIL and WP:Etiquette. It's not just about keeping a "civil tongue", it's about courtesy. --Lexein (talk) 02:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC) Please reply here, everyone, in thread, for continuity...

Hi Lexein, thanks for your input. I can't speak for all of the edits the user in question has made since I've only come across them in times of dispute. However, it does seem to me that they "laugh" mockingly at anyone who doesn't agree with their position. See Talk:Australia national association football team and Talk:Soccer in Australia for examples. And it's not just me they've rubbed up the wrong way, User:2nyte is in the same boat as me. Anyway, if this counts as CANVASsing, I won't pursue it further. No point making a rod for my own back. I just thought that particular user could do with some wiki-quette lessons, since they already laughed off my suggestion to read WP:DBAD. – PeeJay 09:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3: - I'd just suggest ignore the trolling. No admin will take action over an editor saying "LOL", and by reporting them you are just playing into their hands. GiantSnowman 12:39, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

(Nods) Though I hardly ever think of it. PeeJay2K3, see WP:DENY. --Lexein (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Thanks GS for that fix to Jermaine Grandison... Here's some Bubble tea, whatever that is... JMHamo (talk) 19:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

You have been mailed sir, please reply in the same fashion :) --AL (talk) 17:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Meatpuppet

Hello GS, just noticed that IP 176.26.247.147 awarded a Barnstar to Sunderland against Di Canio (talk · contribs) for AfD !voting... my guess is that Sunderland against Di Canio is editing the friendly competition AfDs like Channel One Cup (football) signed out. Just thought I would let you know. JMHamo (talk) 20:00, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Next matchday scenario

Hi. I thought you should now I have raised the issue at ANI, you can read it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive821#Next matchday scenario. QED237 (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Bad Faith

Hey GS! I just noticed this in my talk page that Banana Fingers (talk · contribs) has involved in the discussion about the Blue Guards article and rants about the creation of it, I believe he has just assume bad faith and I feel somewhat offended about he says "random ass club" since some of the members of the team are national players during their times. I believe it has the notability to have it's own page since they have competed in the country's league cup and second I didn't created the page because of the huge scoreline I just wanted to give an information about the record, unless it is not a record. Would you please talk to him? FairyTailRocks (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Transfermarkt template

Hello GS, I noticed a few Transfermarkt templates in articles recently and was going to open a TfD for it but noticed you did so earlier in the year - Template:Transfermarkt TfD, do you think it's worth me doing it again or a waste of time? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:40, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, nominated again here... Template:Transfermarkt TfD Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 20:42, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Ping

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Steve Archibald. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Les Cocker

I may have posted unsourced material. But the "facts" on the Les Cocker page are unsourced anyway, and perhaps more importantly, they're incorrect. It should be easy enough to see that my contribution, albeit unsourced, constitutes an improvement.

I know for a FACT that Les Cocker played several seasons for Wellington Town before going to South Africa in 1966 (and not 1961, as stated on the page). So why prefer other unsourced (and false) information to mine? I can assure you that the "facts" as they stand on Les Cocker's page at present are untrue, pure and simple.

In the absence of sourced material, why not do the next best thing and allow some unsourced credible information to improve some of the less elaborate pages?

No need to threaten me with exclusion. It should be obvious that my contribution wasn't a question of vandalism.

Sincerely, O.E. Jenssen, Oslo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.46.12 (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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WP:ANI#Potentially disruptive class project?

Hello GS, I was just wondering if you could explain to these students about the Education Program in relation to that project. Thanks, Epicgenius (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Söréd vandalisme

Look this vandalisme: Söréd --77.175.65.167 (talk) 19:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Yang Liwei/Closed database access

I've reverted an edit where large sections of text from the article was removed due to a lack of references, and sourced them accordingly using my a closed access database. [75] Consider obtaining access to closed database to help you determine if the information can be sourced before removing them outright; you can apply for access here if you are interested. - Mailer Diablo 23:28, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

No, sir, thank you for all your help! v/r - TP 13:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Beers all round! Happy‑melon 14:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Michaeltleslie

Michaeltleslie (talk · contribs) concerns me as they haven't learned. See for instance [76] where a link to an AfD is used as a reference. Or [77], [78], [79] which I've blanked, Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/MD Rabbi Alam. Template:MD Rabbi Alam is up for deletion. I'm thinking go to ANI and ask for either an indefinite block or acceptance of mentorship? Dougweller (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, tomorrow then, I don't have time tonight. Dougweller (talk) 21:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Done, now at ANI. Dougweller (talk) 12:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion

Hi GS. I want to refer an action I've taken to you for a second opinion. You !voted delete at this AfD. The article's creator is a blatant sock of MarkMysoe. Same use of fake references, identical editing area/style, same preoccupation with subjects related to Ghana, same mentions of Akan and Akanland. It's totally obvious and uncontroversial and so I've blocked the sock and deleted the article as G5. I've previously been involved with Mark and would appreciate confirmation of what I've done from you if that's ok. Basalisk <sup>inspect damage</sup>⁄<sub>berate</sub> 15:37, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Samir Sabry

hello. it is not vandalism as the real Samir Sabry is the Egyptian actor. Please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Egypt and you will see that the link goes to the footballer. This is a shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.235.148.251 (talk • contribs)

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Masafi Al-Wasat FC

Hi GS, are you able to move this page to Al Masafi. Two of the refs have this title (only difference being the hyphen) whilst only the 3rd is close to the current title. I can't seem to make the move due to redirects. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 14:18, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Userspace draft

I was going to tag this for deletion via G7 as it's stale and I don't intend completing it but I thought I'd ask you first if you wanted to transfer it to your userspace and complete it as you've done similar articles in the past (Obviously it's title would have to change to Airdrieonians). If your're not interested then you can consider this a request and go ahead and speedy it. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and Happy Christmas. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

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Another User:Malarious sock

Hi, I am pretty much certain Hedgefall (talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet of Malarious (talk · contribs), who has used numerous socks since his block in September 2012. I reported the new account back in April 2013, but it wasn't taken further as I did not provide sufficient evidence. However, his edit pattern (primarily editing Liverpool player statistics (which borders on WP:OWN) and the infoboxes of senior Western politicians) suggest to me that is almost certainly the same individual. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe that it is fair for Mattythewhite to refuse to engage me directly or personally on this issue. I am being civil and polite, and asking to speak with him directly. Would it be possible for him to speak to me? Hedgefall (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I hadn't seen it originally (there either wasn't a notification or I didn't see it), but apparently the user Mattythewhite (talk · contribs) has tried to have me removed from here before, unsuccessfully. I resent the fact that he has not sought to speak with me about this, and I have seen from looking at his history that he has done this exact same thing - attempting to get other people taken off and refusing to speak to them about it - before. I would appeal to you to ask him to speak to me about this directly, as I feel that this is very unfair. Thank you for your help. Hedgefall (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

@Hedgefall: - are you Malarious or not? The evidence is compelling (WP:DUCK) and I am inclined to block this new account, without a very good explanation... GiantSnowman 17:21, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I was, a long time ago. I believe that although a long time ago I was unreasonable in nature, I have caused no trouble for yourself, Mattythewhite, or anybody else. If you wish to block me now, you might as well get it over with. However, I believe it is unfair to expect somebody to remain blocked from here forever. I feel I deserve one chance, and that my reasonable nature since I have been back on here (zero complaints over the last 10-11 months) show that I am capable of operating on here without trouble. I have also been honest with you here.

However, if you feel that I should never be allowed to make amends for the mistake I made now 18 months ago, block me. I think not allowing somebody a chance, particularly when they have shown they can stick within the rules (as I have) is very harsh and unfair, but if you want to block me for trying to get back on track then go ahead. Hedgefall (talk 18:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryu Seung-Woo

I had to strike your second !vote as you had already left the same delete rationale above. Just an FYI in case you go back and see the strikeout. Cheers, Mkdw<sup>talk</sup> 20:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Request delete

Hey GS! Belated Merry Christmas! Sunuraju (talk · contribs) requested at my talk page to delete Thousand East of Secrets because of a hoax article. In my opinion, it is non-notable per notability standards. I've tagged it as speedy deletion. Thanks FairyTailRocks (talk) 13:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

dont forget to delete Legacy (2014 TV Series) ‎ by --Sunuraju (talk) 13:39, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Contacting you

Hello, sorry to create a new section but re " I am also available for contact via e-mail" I have searched and searched but can nowhere find any email address [ and do not know any other way ..]...I have seen elsewhere "Please click on the 'Email this user' button on the left taskbar", which didn't help, i.e. not seeing any "left taskbar". Thanks, John. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.171.255.227 (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Userspace move

Can you move User:Blethering Scot/Rocky the Musical‎ to Rocky the Musical‎ over the redirect for me.Blethering Scot 18:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.Blethering Scot 18:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Eastern AA

Can you unprotect Eastern AA? It's been almost 2 months since the edit warring. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hamilton Academical F.C.

Why did you restore a social media external link to above page aren't they ban per WP:ELNO, Matty is constantly removing them. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I fail to see how the club's official website is forbidden...and same goes for the club's official Twitter account. Common sense, please. GiantSnowman 19:51, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

You know I wasn't referring to club's website so no need to leave such a comment. That IP made 7 additions of Social media sites to Scottish pages and the Hamilton edit was the only he/she added official club's website, I would have done a partial revert had I noticed. Now back to the topic in hand your asking for common sense, so it's ok to add the club's official verified twitter but it's not ok to add a player's verified twitter to their page how does that make any sense. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:03, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

But you did remove the club's official website, see diff. Is there anything wrong with having a link to a verified Twitter account of a player? No. ELNO is there to prevent an article becoming nothing but a list of pointless links. Again, common sense. GiantSnowman 20:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I have to say I'm with Snowy on this, i really don't see what the issue is with adding a twitter account thats clearly controlled by the notable subject. Also its links generally to be avoided not always and does state Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, technically the clubs own twitter page in my mind is controlled by the articles subject. I know thats probably a technicality but i don't see this as a big issue.Blethering Scot 20:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Snowy I already acknowledged I removed the club websites above and I should have done a partial revert instead so there was no need to provide me with a diff. If you want to leave the social media external link in place then I'll not argue with you and BScot (I'm not completely opposed to the inclusion of verified social media links I was reverting per policy or so I thought) but it's not right that we have the constant removal of same type of social media external links elsewhere on football pages creating a double standard. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:27, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Im not overly bothered either way to be honest but i don't see it as a major problem as long as they are the verified sites of the subject. I also think the language at ELNO leaves it up to editorial discretion in some respects in particular the terms normally to be avoided and the official links section which states Official links (if any) are provided to give the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself. These links are exempt from the links normally to be avoided, but they are not exempt from the restrictions on linking. An official link is a link to a website or other Internet service that meets both of the following criteria: The linked content is controlled by the subject (organization or individual person) of the Wikipedia article and The linked content primarily covers the area for which the subject of the article is notable. Personally I think that pretty much allows the inclusion of the subjects official twitter account's although if I am wrong please correct me.Blethering Scot 20:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I would state that on reflection the later point would probably lead towards a player not having their account linked as that is not going to primarily cover the area for which the subject of the article is notable i.e. football (they will talk about anything and everything) wheres an organisation or club will talk about primarily what they are notable for. Anyway thats my thoughts.Blethering Scot 22:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

If a player is 'known' for having a Twitter account (your Joey Bartons, your Rio Ferdinands) then we should consider including it on those few examples, though I agree that having a Twitter link on every player article is not necessary. As for clubs, I see no harm in it if it is the official feed. GiantSnowman 11:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Bucheon SK Merger

• Jeju United FC and Bucheon SK are also merged on Korean wikipedia. Even the Buchon SK article don't have nobility in Korea. English wikepdia need not to contain this article.

FC Seoul and Anyang LG Cheetahs are same case and also merged on Korean wikipedia.

Please finish the discuss and merge thess articels. Happy new year~ Footwiks (talk) 10:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

José María Maguregui

Sorry mate, if one of my summaries there seemed a bit "crybaby-ish". It was hard to have all my long storyline removed entirely, when i don't insert one word of POV or (even remotely similar to) vandalism, but i have to understand where WP's coming from, BLP violations can lead to legal problems to the site if i'm not mistaken, so you have to be extra careful there.

Every second line in story of this article is now ref'd. Have a great rest (or lack thereof), "see" you next year! --AL (talk) 15:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)