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Bots Newsletter, August 2018

Bots Newsletter, August 2018

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Here is the 6th issue of the Bots Newsletter. You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

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BAG
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BOTREQs and BRFAs

As of writing, we have...

Also

Discussions

These are some of the discussions that happened / are still happening since the last Bots Newsletter. Many are stale, but some are still active.

New things

Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 15:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

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Dr. T. M. Sounderarajan

Why you delete TMS from the list? Balan Nair (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't clear that there was an article on this topic already. Entries should not be added to lists of people unless there is already an article on that list entry. This can be made clearer if you link to the person's article [[like this]]. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the link to WP:LISTPEOPLE. I appreciate it. --74.116.136.28 (talk) 23:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Not a problem. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Natesh Pillai

Hello,

Why did you delete Natesh Pillai from the notable alumni for IIT Madras? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayesian81 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Entries in lists of people need to have their own Wikipedia article or independent evidence of group membership and notability (see the rule at WP:LISTPEOPLE). A faculty bio by the subject is not evidence of notability. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:24, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Big Tips Texas

On 19 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Big Tips Texas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Big Tips Texas features scantily-clad waitresses from Redneck Heaven, a breastaurant whose body-paint events led to nudity law changes in at least three Texas municipalities? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Big Tips Texas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Redneck Heaven

On 19 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Redneck Heaven, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Big Tips Texas features scantily-clad waitresses from Redneck Heaven, a breastaurant whose body-paint events led to nudity law changes in at least three Texas municipalities? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Redneck Heaven. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Redneck Heaven), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, IronGargoyle. You have new messages at Template:Did you know nominations/Non-science.
Message added 07:11, 23 September 2018 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Please respond as soon as possible as this nomination is currently stuck. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:11, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox water ride

Template:Infobox water ride has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox roller coaster. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Bde Maka Ska

There is already consensus on Talk:Bde Maka Ska supporting that is is the former name, therefore I don't see it necessary to start a new topic to change it. The IP user is the one going against consensus. Thank you. oncamera(t) 21:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

The consensus was for a move. "Formerly" vs "also" was never discussed. Even if it was, that is not an excuse for violating WP:3RR. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Alameda Science and Technology Institute

Hello there! I was wondering about why I can't edit the Alameda Science and Technology Institute's page. I would love to help, so get back to me as soon as you can! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brack Peeepol 123 (talk • contribs)

It looks like another administrator protected the page from editing by new editors. The page was experiencing high levels of vandalism. I would suggest either waiting until the protection has expired, making suggestions on the article talk page, or contacting that administrator directly. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for you're response! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:8500:1DE1:7C2C:7687:56E:CE42 (talk) 06:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Why do I keep getting undone

What am I doing wrong, I am new — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImaDiloman (talk • contribs) 22:12, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

A lot of your edits are introducing your own personal analysis and opinion into the articles. This is prohibited by Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. For other articles (like the one on the Passport of Bhutan), you are changing the style of English when there is no need. Unless an article has ties to a particular style of English (e.g., an article about Elizabeth II should use British English), the preexisting style of English in the article should be maintained. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:19, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Jimmy Garoppolo

I cant find a source right now but will be back home in twenty mins or so. Leave it up for now and I'll add in the relevant doc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19A:C100:E5BF:4033:D30E:A844:D679 (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

MustyMuff

Pretty sure that's a troll account, based on other edits... Famartin (talk) 02:30, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Why are you accusing me of being a troll on someone else’s talk page? If you have a problem with me, why would you go behind my back rather than address it with me directly? Mustymuff (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Because you are a troll. Just look at the edit you keep trying to put on the Route 62 article lolz. Well, you have fun now Famartin (talk) 02:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, IronGargoyle!

Happy New Year!

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Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Premature

I restored Goest Ryder to List of people from Pittsburgh because for the moment he still has a WP article. Yes Ryder's article is at AFD and at the moment looks like it will end as a delete. But I've seen an AFD closed as a Snow delete[1], then be reopened[2], and have a final outcome of no consensus[3]. Let this article stand till the AFD is finished. If it ends in delete, I'll be happy to remove it....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Deletion

Why you deleted Mahesh Mahadev (Music Composer) article Wp-maxindia (talk) 17:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I didn't. I only deleted a duplicate copy to make way for a move. It seems though that the article was recreated inappropriately from an earlier copy that was already deleted. This was done by another administrator. Please review our guidelines on notability before making further articles. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Request

How to get back the article Wp-maxindia (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

You can ask the administrator who deleted it or create a request at deletion review, but given the fact that it also seems to have been a copyright violation, I don't suspect anyone will be willing to undelete it for you. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Ignorance

It seems that you don't know the grammar rules that apply to the word "however", and nor do you know the rules that govern when bold face should be used in articles. If you don't know these things, what makes you think you can contribute to an encyclopaedia? 89.115.226.154 (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

There was a typo in your earlier edit which strongly suggested nonconstructive editing. While it's clear now that it was inadvertent on your part, the removal of the edit was still warranted. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:05, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@IronGargoyle: I want to assume good faith but this IP address's edit summary history and the "what makes you think you can contribute to an encyclopaedia" statement above should constitute a warning of incivility. I warned this IP address yesterday with using snide remarks in edit summaries (WP:ESDONTS) but they reverted it. – The Grid (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Old Emanuels

It seems that you are an annoying pedant who does nothing but change Wikipedia pages for subjects you know nothing about and have no first hand experience of. The example I am referring to is your constant random changing of the List of Old Emanuels, that being the long list of alumni of Emanuel School in London, England.

You did not attend the school, I did and am thus far better qualified to comment. You are obviously based in the United States, it stands out a mile. Stick to random subjects you know something about and do something with your life besdes living on Wikipedia being a boring pedant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MickTravis If (talk • contribs) 01:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Eastleigh

Unless they stop soon, I believe this page may need temporary protection. Seems like some meatpuppeting vandals are at play. Home Lander (talk) 21:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Untitled numbered episode titles

If you did not know RTitle is used for these as they are not episode names and is standard practice. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 01:55, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Reversion reverted

Hello, I've just reverted your GF reversion in the page about Lewis Carroll. Please see User_talk:Theroadislong#Help_for_a_noob, in which you can see my brain-dead paranoid comment, my embarrassed realization of the nature of my comment, its deletion, and my new comment. If you're suspicious (and why shouldn't you be?), feel free to take a quick look for "Aryaman" within the novel in question. -- Hoary (talk) 03:22, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Gotcha. I reverted a bit further back to where Dodo was part of a valid link. IronGargoyle (talk) 03:31, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Deletion

Please explain deletion in Brewing in Oregon? I am unfamiliar with you reason, (rv unreferenced nn). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madcowbrewing (talk • contribs) 16:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

List entries like this must be referenced with substantial coverage in independent (not affiliated with the organization) and reliable sources. You also should not make edits about organizations you are affiliated with. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok...well we were just mentioned in oregonlive.com and other sources, but cool! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madcowbrewing (talk • contribs) 18:08, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

You just reverted 17 entries I added for Fort Collins, CO, with "rv unreferenced nn." Can you explain what is required? I see several entries with no link to a website and no footnote (City Star, Crow Hop, etc), so I'm confused why they're OK and my entries weren't. Is a link to the company website sufficient? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyfritz (talk • contribs) 20:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I simply missed them. I have removed them, thank you. Unless there are reliable third-party references (i.e., not links to the company website), or the breweries have articles themselves, entries should not be added to lists like these. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello, IronGargoyle. Since you're interested in breweries, or at least Wikipedia articles about them, you could try adding appropriate third-party references when other editors add new, unreferenced entries. It's actually pretty fun to do web searches to find the references, and then to add them to the articles. And of course doing so improves the articles themselves. Why not give it a shot? You might end up liking it. — Mudwater (Talk) 22:50, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. In my editorial judgement, lists such as these should only contain entries which have Wikipedia articles themselves. I certainly acknowledge that there is not always consensus for my perspective on every list. Removing the unreferenced entries and adding the references are both acceptable ways to comply with the broader consensus guideline of WP:LISTCOMPANY. It's fine that you like to add these references, but I have no interest in doing so myself. I have (particularly lately) limited time on the project and this is not how I would like to spend it. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Soo Yeon Lee

Hello IronGargoyle, you wrote " In 2000, Lee won a silver medal at the World University Championships in Shanghai." According Universiade in 2000 there was not such a event. ???? Greetings --Tsor (talk) 09:13, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't know. The source I probably used back when I created the article is dead. I'll look into seeing if I can find an archive of it somewhere. It's possible I read something wrong, so if I can't verify this I will probably remove it entirely. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Deletion

Hello I noticed my addition to U Michigan alumni page was entirely deleted again. I include several references, one of which was even an official website of the state government of Michigan, which would seem to be a reliable source. Was that you deleting or someone else? Thanks Cleantruth (talk) 22:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Multiple people removed your addition. The sources you added later were not independent sources. While they may prove that the person you added exists, they do not provide evidence of notability. Please see WP:LISTPEOPLE. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:55, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your time explaining... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleantruth (talk • contribs) 19:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Weird Al Yankovic listed at Redirects for discussion

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Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Greetings!

Here is the 7th issue of the Bots Newsletter, a lot happened since last year's newsletter! You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

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New things
Other discussions

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How to deal with editing while under attach - advice needed please

Dear IronGargoyle, Thank you for the advice. I am not involved in an edit war, though it is good to hear the terminology, because I certainly feel under attack. I am trying to create my first page. I have found an interesting subject, read widely on it, found sources for it and written it carefully. I did not expect it to be sabotaged, filled with pejorative language and turned into a distorted page of misinformation. I have no personal vested interest beyond caring about producing a good wikipedia page. I feel that someone else does want to sabotage it and I am not sure why. I would like to report this transgression so that I can complete the page I have been working hard to write. Many thanks in advance for some calm and helpful advice. Acirsa Acirsa (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago

Awesome
Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Invite to Revive WikiProject:Shopping Centers!

Hey there, IronGargoyle! I'm Windyshadow32, a new member of the sadly inactive Wikiproject Shopping Centers. I am trying to revive this project to highlight the unique stories of malls across the country and the world especially as we lose more and more of them. Undoubtedly, we will lose shopping malls due to the challenges we face at this moment. I want to document these stories before it is too late, but I can't do it without your help. I can tell by your contributions to Wikipedia and the pages that you have created that you care about retail and will bring the right insight to the project. Personally, I'm honestly a big fan of the deadmalls.com page that you created. I would love to have your assistance in assessing the qualities of the different articles and placing them in the proper categories. Please let me know if you'd be willing to help; I really appreciate it!

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Anglican church composers

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Precious anniversary

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Three years!

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List of symphony orchestras

Hello. Would you please explain to me why you deleted some of Japanese orchestras from the "List of symphony orchestras"?

I understand that these orchestras don't have independent English articles, but I don't think that is a sufficient reason to delete them. The orchestras I added all have Japanese articles, and they are all full members of Association of Japanese Symphony Orchestras (as well as other orchestras that are already in the lists except for Saito Kinen Orchestra). This association is approved as aggregate corporation by the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (Agency for Cultural Affairs) of Japanese Government. This means that the full members of this association are officially recognized as Japanese professional orchestras which hold subscription concerts with high quality and frequency. These orchestras are also widely recognized as professional orchestras in Japanese society.

Furthermore, the main purpose of this list is to provide publics with sufficient and accurate informations about symphony orchestras in the world. If there are professional orchestras that don't have English articles, you could simply attach accurate references, which I did. For these reasons, the orchestras that I added shouldn't be deleted just because they don't have English articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WanseiN115 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory. A reference to a directory of symphony orchestras for which those orchestras are members is also not an independent source. It doesn't matter if they have articles on the Japanese Wikipedia. Different Wikipedias have different standards for inclusion, and a Wikipedia article alone is not a reliable source. IronGargoyle (talk) 08:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Redlinks vs non-notable

I'm sorry, can you explain where in WP:LISTPEOPLE it says redlinks are unacceptable? Powers T 17:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

It's clearly spelled out at WP:LISTPEOPLE that there must be evidence of both notability and group membership. I suppose technically you could demonstrate notability by footnoting a redlink with references that demonstrate substantial independent coverage in reliable sources. There was no such evidence for the redlinks I think you are referring to. Note too that this is the minimum standard. Articles can adopt a more stringent standard for inclusion. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
If I may, I think you may be misreading it. It only says that the person must meet the notability requirement, and that there be reliable evidence of group membership. It does not say the evidence of notability must be presented (that's only for exceptions such as people notable for a single event). Powers T 18:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I’m not misreading it. WP:LISTPEOPLE says an entry must meet the notability requirement. The phrase “notability requirement” has a link to that relevant policy. If you read that linked policy, you will see that claims of notability require evidence. That’s not going to change if we’re applying notability to a page or if we’re applying notability to a list entry. How are you going to know if something is notable without evidence? I could declare that my cat is notable. I would hope that you would demand some proof. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I guess I don't read it the same way. Still, it seems the proper procedure would be to ask for evidence of notability to be added, rather than just deleting everything that's red. Powers T 15:09, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I want to complain as well, especially in terms of the composers deleted from the string quartet composer list. I had even added links to their homepage in case you know little about classical music (especially contemporary classical music). These are composers played by f.ex. major American orchestras or get composition assignments from the BBC Last night of the Proms. Extremely notable people who deserve a wikipedia article, and you simply delete them as spam. If you don't know anything about the field you are editing, leave the job to somebody else, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.71.208.147 (talk • contribs)

As detailed above, adding redlinks without reliable independent sources violates WP:LISTPEOPLE. A link to the subject’s own webpage is not independent and further violates WP:ELNO. I suggest reviewing those policies. If after reviewing these policies and WP:NOTABILITY, you still feel like these people warrant having articles, you are welcome to make articles for them. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Just so you know ...

... this is how you put an archived version of a dead link into a citation. Daniel Case (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I am well aware of the template functionality to do that. I was making a quick fix to get the link functional. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

{{keep local}}

Just so you know, it doesn't need to be substed. Happy editing, Wikiacc () 01:20, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I know. I wanted to use the template to specify where the matching target was. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
You can use the first argument for that, like so: {{Keep local|PAGENAME ON COMMONS}}. Wikiacc () 01:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

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Dementia with Lewy bodies

Please will you revert both your changes to the article and the TFA blub. The "automatic bodily functions" text was discussed on talk Talk:Dementia with Lewy bodies/Archive 3#Lead rewrite, a discussion where many experienced editors participated. Your new text "autonomic nervous system function" is jargon and should be avoided in the lead sentence if at all possible. A Google search for "automatic bodily functions" demonstrates lay websites use this term to explain what the autonomic nervous system regulates. This is neither incorrect language, nor does it lack precision. @Ajpolino, Graham Beards, Lukelahood, and SandyGeorgia:, who worked on the text. -- Colin°Talk 20:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Automatic and autonomic are not the same thing. I’m not self-reverting. I boldly added a new wording because I didn’t feel either of the previous wordings were ideal and I am an expert in a related field. “Autonomic nervous system” isn’t jargon. Anyone with a basic understanding of biology or psychology should know what it is. If they don’t — that’s why we link things. Obviously if there is consensus to change the wording to something else, I will defer to that. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Nobody is arguing that automatic and autonomic are the same thing. Autonomic is a relatively recent word that has two meanings in most dictionaries. One is being an adjective of autonomous: self controlled, functionally independent. The other is being related to the autonomic nervous system. So this modern word has failed to find usage outside of (a) learned writers talking about state sovereignty or social models or (b) part of our nervous system. It is not an everyday word and indeed nearly none of our readers will ever encounter it beyond some biology class they sat in as a child and have long forgotten. Being an "expert in a related field" rather disqualifies you from judging whether the average reader will comprehend it. While linking can help, our guidelines ask we do not rely on that (many reusers of Wikipedia, which are our purpose too, as a free-content project, do not include links -- think of Alexa for example).
Including an opaque technical term in the lead sentence is a big signal to the average reader that this article is way too difficult for you, so don't even bother with the lead, never mind the body. Including it in the main page is a worse sin. It is on the main page because we want people to read "Dementia with Lewy bodies". If they have to click and read another article before they can understand the first sentence of this one, do you really think they would? The blurb has to serve as an immediately accessible hook to encourage further reading of that article. In body text, we could explain the term in parenthesis, or replace the term with a longer explanation and put the term in parenthesis. This is mainly appropriate for when the term is vital to the reader's understanding of the subject. That may be the case for this topic, though an understanding of the manifestations wrt bodily functions is likely more useful to the reader than core nervous-system function and composition.
The reason that "automatic bodily functions" was chosen after discussion on talk is that it is fully comprehensible by the average reader. As you say, the words are not the same thing, and "autonomic bodily functions", which got inserted into the article by a newbie, isn't a thing. One's heart does not control its own beats, lungs their own breaths and pupil its own dilation. However, they are automatic and occur without thought. Many professionally written lay-targetting websites explain that the autonomic nervous system regulates automatic bodily functions. -- Colin°Talk 08:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Photo deletion

Hi. I’m not sure if I’m doing this right, but I wanted to discuss something with IronGargoyle? If this is the right place to do so, I have some questions for you. Thank you! Geo Lightspeed7 (talk) 12:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

This is fine, although the deletion occurred on Wikimedia Commons, so you could also contact me on my talk page there. One image is already deleted, so it would be more appropriate to contact the administrator who deleted it (it should tell you this if you click on the link to the deleted file). For the other image, follow the instructions on the message that I left on your talk page if you happen to be the rights holder. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok! I will get back to you later this afternoon regarding my questions. It appears as though I have a lot to learn yet! Thank you! I appreciate your assistance! Geo Lightspeed7 (talk) 18:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

List of Ornithological Societies

hello IronGargoyle, I do not understand your reversion of my addition of an Inter-Language Link France, Ligue pour la Protection des Oiseaux to the list - please see the talk page, please explain. Thank you jw (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Replied to your question on the article talk page. IronGargoyle (talk) 07:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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Overall

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September 2019

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November 2019

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December 2019

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so—

hi there, IronGargoyle. I've... understandably thought a lot about what happened, and now that the RfA's over, I wanted to offer you an apology—I'll try to keep it brief. I let my emotions cloud my better judgment for a long time, and it caused me to behave crassly on more than one occasion. No one deserves to be treated that way, especially not for offering criticism—i'm truly sorry.

p.s., i saw some users allege that I pinged you on purpose when adding your comment to the archive, as an attack. that was totally not the case—in keeping with the theme of this whole incident, that was just some shortsighted stupidity on my part. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, January 2022

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January 2020

A python
A python
A python
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February 2020

Speaking of WikiProject Molecular Biology, Listeria went wild in February

March 2020

April 2020

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your edits to the list of R&B musicians.

I'm a little confused by the edit comment "nope". Why did you remove the information concerning alternative language links? eARTspI . TOK . 3bs 22:11, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Two reasons: It was cluttering up the introduction and it was encouraging editors to not follow WP:LISTPEOPLE. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
would you mind taking the time next time to add a proper edit comment. I do my best to always write what happens. When someone comes and changes things, especially an elder editor, leaving proper comments is at least courtesy. eARTspI . TOK . 3bs 22:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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I noticed this dispute while patrolling recent changes and took the liberty of opening a dispute resolution. WP:DRN#List_of_Vietnamese_Americans   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

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