User talk:Guliolopez/Archive 9

DYK for Irish Steel

On 21 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Irish Steel, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Irish government had budgeted €61 million to clean up the former site of the Irish Steel plant, twenty years after selling it for £1? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Irish Steel. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Irish Steel), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Dublin postal districts!

Hi! I totally understand reverting the postal districts to their classic format. I think it speaks to the general confusion about Eircodes anyway. Are the districts now defunct, having been replaced with routing code areas? It's hard to say! Happy to leave it as is. The nerd in me would be even tempted to call An Post to seek clarification because it confuses me so much.

An aside that speaks more to the confusion about Irish addresses post-2015. On the world postcode list page, it says that Eircode routing keys are never used on their own. This is untrue. A letter addressed to, say, Swords with just K67 written on the envelope under the address will reach the recipient. As will a letter with no Eircode at all. And one with JUST the Eircode. So, FOUR types of addresses would not lead to a return-to-sender error in Ireland right now!

1. 25 Imaginary Street Swords Co Dublin

2. 25 Imaginary Street Swords Co Dublin K67

3. 25 Imaginary Street Swords Co Dublin K67 YY76

4. K67 YY76

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BaronNethercross (talk • contribs) 13:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Revert

Hello, thank you for your revert here. Obviously I was not aware that a discussion was going on regarding this issue. Otherwise, I would not have proceed to this changing. --Montjoie-Saint-Denis !!! ^talk 18:00, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Datelinks

Regarding Alice Kyteler Not sure what you are saying here. Who is "we" and why don't we link dates "like that"?? I went to the link you provided and it seems to simply be a discussion. Sarah777 (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hiya.

RE: "We". Apologies if I wasn't clear. By "we" I meant the broader Wikipedia community. As determined by convention, consensus and MOS.

RE: "We don't link DOB like that". There is no consensus or convention for linking year of birth (in the opening sentence) like this. (The Albert Einstein article doesn't pipe-link his DOB to 1879 in Germany. The Shakespeare intro doesn't link his year-of-birth to 1564 in England. Etc.)

RE: "Link you provided seems to be a discussion". I'm not entirely sure what link you mean, but (on my computer) WP:DATELINK redirects to the Manual of Style entry which covers whether/if/when/how a date might be linked or pipe-linked. It's not a discussion. It's a guideline page that sets out the generally accepted standard (a reflection of established consensus/convention). Including the consensus/convention that (to paraphrase) links/pipe-links to dates are best avoided. Unless the "linked date or year [article] has a significant connection to the subject [..and..] the linking enhances the reader's understanding of the subject".

Personally I don't understand (even in the body of the article) how a red link to the non-existent 1325 in Ireland article fits with the related MOS guideline. Or how a link to 1328 in Ireland (which contains one unrelated death) enhances a reader's understanding of the life/experiences of Alice Kyteler. Other than to imply, as we've seen in other similar articles spewing misogynist/revisionist bull, that a woman who had more than one husband and managed to retain her property must've had a hand in all deaths that year(?) :)

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 15:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Very funny are you. Surely everyone should know that Alexander de Bicknor deserted the Queen's party while in France if not exactly in Ireland in 1325??? Sarah777 (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Six Counties FM honorifics

There aren't any. The Right Honourable does apply to members of the Privy Council, and Foster and Robinson are members of the PC which has probably caused the confusion. FDW777 (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I am no expert myself. I am happy to follow the sources. AFAIK there are none to support the text added of late. Hence I removed it. Is the beginning/end of it from my perspective really. If the refs support: great. If not: gone. The End :) Guliolopez (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

My apologies to both of you on the confusion on this. The reference makes sense that prior holders of this office are in the British Privy Council. I’ll use the talk page from now on to start these discussions until I get the hang of it better. Spf121188 (talk) 10:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

National Maritime College of Ireland

Hey there, Guliolopez, thanks for your input into my changes to the National Maritime College of Ireland article, apologies for any areas where information may have went overboard, please know that this is mostly as a result of me being a newcomer, and not fully up to speed on what information is too much to include. I appreciate your input in re-drafting some of the sections.

As regards the notice on my talk page (r.e. conflict of interest), to be straight, I've no relationship with the college, beyond being from Ireland, interested in Irish maritime goings-on and familiar with the college, its history and operations.

I had felt the state of the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Maritime_College_of_Ireland&oldid=1032671986) prior to my input left a lot to be desired, not featuring an infobox, any photos or much information about the maritime college in general, despite there being a good deal of information about the college available online (from news articles primarily). I thought it wouldn't be long before the stub was a fair candidate for merging with the MTU article (on account of its length), which I thought would be unfortunate, given maritime colleges articles (Warsash Maritime School, etc) typically have some bit of depth (excuse the pun) to their articles, whereas the NMCI had little more than a couple bland sentences.

As regards future input, I think the article now lies is in a fair state, featuring enough depth about the college that (I feel) it doesn't require much more content input (at least) from myself, although references (particularly for facilities) can still be improved.

Regarding references (for the facilities particularly), what would your advice be? References for each thing being present at the college can be found by using the NMCI.ie website, however a lot of these direct pages for each facility are essentially commercial advertising by the college (room hire for events, commercial training programme information, etc) which would be effectively amount to a commercial advertisement to directly link to. Would it be best to use a catch all link to the official websites facilities page (https://www.nmci.ie/facilities) here, where users can click through general information covering its facilities instead.

Apologies again, thanks for your help. BordNaMonaLisa (talk) 22:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) BordNaMonaLisa You will probably find this page, Identifying and using independent sources useful in finding appropriate reliable sources for your editing. Using sources associated with the subject are best avoided or kept to a minimum. ww2censor (talk) 10:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your note. RE:

• "No COI". OK. Fair enough.
• "From Ireland, interested in Irish maritime goings-on and familiar with the college". Great. I am also all of those things. Albeit not to the extent that I've added prospectus-style content on how students might have the benefit of reduced cost GP care, ample car parking, multiple (if complicated) accommodation and travel options, find their way from Dublin, etc.
• "Previous poor/basic state". Indeed. It likely wasn't ideal.
• "Now much better state". Indeed. It is now in a better state. Although there is still a significant lack of supporting refs. Including for the discursive stuff in the history section. Like the sentence which talks about the 1990s when "the rapid expansion of [..] the Bishopstown campus and new practical training requirements of the 1995 STCW Code, had made the Bishopstown campus unsuitable, requiring significant expenditure to remain in compliance". What sources support this assertion for example? Or the stuff about "Informal discussions [taking place] between college staff and naval officers" and a "tentative proposal that unused Department of Defence land in Ringaskiddy be developed as a joint college". Where does that come from? It's not in any of the linked sources? So what was relied-upon upon when you wrote it?
• "Regarding references". If the nmci.ie/facilities webpage(s) support all the text in that section, then - sure - it/they could possibly be used. However, as noted above, there are referencing issues beyond that section. Much of what was recently added text isn't/wasn't readily supported by the sources linked. (In fact more than a few of the sources recently added do not mention the subject at all. Like the GP practice website, the Examiner article on the cross-river ferry, the Echo article about the IDA's work in the area, the motorway plans, etc. These therefore are forms of WP:SYNTH -- where there is extrapolation of what the source actually says).

Anyway, I'll likely take a look at the article in the coming days. And see if I can help address these issues myself. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 13:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Luke Kelly - Bunclody

I would like to appeal your decision please. Is there a process? I think the reference to Luke Kelly’s YouTube song is highly pertinent and telling – through it we have a direct link to the town and the region, as well as the phenomenon of migration more broadly. And of course, Kelly is a major figure and this version of his has some 190 k views, with very appreciative comments, e.g. “Apparently, this was Luke's favourite song, it was taught to him by a teacher who lived there, I live a few miles from Bunclody myself…” Maybe we could canvas some locals as to the relevance of the reference on the site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riga-to-Rangoon (talk • contribs) 13:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Riga-to-Rangoon. And thanks for your note. In terms of your:

• talkpage note, please note that WP:SIGN advises editors that such posts should be signed.
• comment/question about an "appeals process", you may want to take a look at WP:CON and WP:VER. Edits and additions are undertaken by the entire community. With consideration to available reliable sources, consensus on how those sources should be represented, and the other pillars of the project. I have no more power or authority than any other editor. And my contributions (as yours) are bounded by the project pillars. Rather than an appellate court or process.
• suggestion about "canvassing locals to confirm the relevance of the content", you may want to consider that content isn't added/supported on the basis of voting or canvassing or whatever. In terms of content, the guiding expectation is that it be supported by reliable and verisiable sources. Not "ask a bunch of people what they think and update content based on their responses". (You might also want to read WP:NOTVOTE. About the place polling has in the application/interpretation of project guidelines.)

Anyway. I have found a few reliable and verifiable sources (RTÉ and INM - rather than "polled locals") and used them to add a short note about the song/Kelly to the relevant article. The other stuff falls under WP:NOTLYRICS. And hasn't been re-added.

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 14:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed for your very fast reply - most happy outcome.Riga-to-Rangoon (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Céide Fields

Ha! I just went out, returned, saw more wrong with this article, and was rewriting more stuff, but then saw you'd intervened. Going through the history of this article, I noted you were the main guy checking up on this. Based on your article editing history, local Irish stuff is your thing, so I'd say watch out for nationalistic bias, but I will respect you. Hmm, hijack -didn't know that one; synth -okay, I see what you mean, feel you here, =cutting corners on my part.

Here's where I can't agree with you. We have two conflicting sources: one is an old defunct promotional website from around 2005 without sourcing, one is a new scientific journal article from 2017. The old website has some obviously flawed info, from a perspective of European agricultural history -it is uncited, but it's dating clearly comes from Seamus Caulfield's 1998 article on the subject (C14 radiocarbon dating). Thus the website is bullshitting a bit. There were possibly two methods used to date the site before the writing of the website =C14 and tree ring data (especially in Ireland tree ring data is mwa, there aren't that many trees, plus I can't find anything about this). The best, most modern, most scientific source should have priority. To give you a perspective, I can likely find many outdated sources stating that the earth is flat, or that barnacle geese are born of barnacles, or that women and black people are inferior to white men, or that tuberculosis/syphilis is a condition caused by being English (or French). Should such sources be given equal priority over what modern research has revealed? No. More modern sources are indeed superior, despite what you say.

What I just noticed as wrong with the article is again chronology. In Ireland the Neolithic ended about 3,700 years ago. Again, it does not take me long to find a source. Check out this 2010 article =the site is Bronze Age, according to these guys. Hmm, I see you noticed the same problem. I suggest ignoring promotional websites as much as possible. I will try to rewrite the article after you're done (if I see something that I find questionable), please edit as you see fit.

By the way, all the uncited info is actually taken from the 'Museums of Mayo' website, but from this webpage, as opposed to the page the reference links to.

Cheers, Leo 86.88.48.93 (talk) 21:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Here's two ref.s to save you time:

Caulfield's initial claims.

Evidence disputing him.

86.88.48.93 (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

References

Hi. Thanks for your note:

RE: "I am the main guy checking up on this". I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Before today, I think I'd made barely a handful of edits. And those were mainly to revert vandalism and similar crud. Rather than more involved "checking".

RE: "Irish stuff is my thing, so watch nationalistic bias". Eh. Yes, of the 3000+ articles on my watchlist, it does include subjects related to Ireland. However, I'm already quite aware of the potential for bias. And check myself (and others) for the same. Thanks all the same.

RE: "Websites versus academic sources". Rightly or wrongly some of those websites (including online news articles) reflect the academic sources (as published by Caulfield, but also Warren, Molloy, O'Connell, Lucas and others).

RE: "Conflicting sources". As noted, while some of these findings have been questioned by others, it is best to simply state as much. Rather than pitting one source against another. Or describing one source as "defunct" or "outdated" or whatever. While perhaps a little closer to the material than would be ideal, Caulfield's works (and those who later relied on Caulfield's works) don't fall into the WP:PARITY category expressed by WP:FRINGE*. To the extent that we can be seen to dismiss or editorialise on their validity. ("X says A, Y says B" is how differing sources are reflected. Not "X says A, but Y says B". Or "X said A in 1995, but Y said B in 1996 (and so Y wins).) *I appreciate you were probably just exaggerating for the sake of the point, but I'm not sure it's fair to associate Caulfield with fringe or flat-earth theories.

RE: "Here's two refs to save time". Thanks. Along with several other changes (to attempt to reflect the varying sources), I have also added those to the article. Having myself first reviewed them. Of course.

If further discussion is required (on the sources and how to reflect them), then it is best done on the relevant article Talk page. Rather than here. (That is, in effect, what article Talk pages are "for". To discuss how best to reflect the available/verifiable refs. Especially where those refs may not fully align.)

Doei Guliolopez (talk) 13:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Cummin

Hello Guliolopez, this is Philip Cummings born liverpool england, 1940. I may not be as clever as you, and what is your connection to St Cummin 0f Mayo, any way.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:43CF:3E00:B9BF:EC84:AA54:A083 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'm afraid I may be missing some context here.

In terms of the question itself, I do not have any connection to St. Cumin of Mayo.

In terms of the reason for asking, I do not remember the specifics, but the edit history suggests that I edited the St. Cumin of Mayo twelve years ago. Once. In a single edit. On 3 December 2009. To remove what I can only assume was your name. From the main article namespace. As the article namespace shouldn't contain names/signatures/credits of contributing editors. Which was Wikipedia policy in 2009. And remains Wikipedia policy in 2021.

If you are harking-back to a single edit I made 12 years ago, then I'm not sure why. Or what you need/want to discuss about it.

If you otherwise have a specific question (now in 2021) and/or want assistance with something specific, then please do let me know what that is. And I'll help. If I can. Guliolopez (talk) 20:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Quick newbie questions for Guliolopez,,,

My petition for inclusion in the Irish War of Independence page has been archived. But I can't seem to find it anywhere in the archive. Does this mean what I think it means?

Also, my second petition for the page Google Map of War Of Independence in Cork City to be included as an external link can't be found anywhere? Did my message get lost in the matrix by any chance? Or is it just deemed irrelevant?

Finally, what would your opinion be of me gently approaching the community of contributors on the Burning of Cork wiki page and suggesting an external link to Google Map and Audio of Burning of Cork City ?

Myuser007 (talk) 06:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi.

RE: Archive. I don't know what you mean. The Talk page thread you opened is still there. It has not been archived.

RE: Map. I didn't see any mention of a map in any of your Talk page posts. Personally I don't see how that map meets WP:ELYES. Per WP:EL#EL15, links to Google Maps (or other mapping tools) are typically not appropriate for inclusion in EL sections.

RE: Adding more links to your website to more articles. In honesty I wonder if you're in the right place. If you have an interest in Cork and Irish history (including in the War of Independence and Civil War period), you can contribute to the project by helping improve the related articles. Not peppering each with links to your own company / project / employer / website. That is WP:LINKSPAM (with a WP:COI overlay). Whatever way you cut it.

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I updated the talk page on android/mobile. And the posts seem to have gotten lost. No idea what happened to them. Anyway thanks for your time. Myuser007 (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok

What about the M20 Motorway extension edit thingymajigy CrypticCurrency1 (talk) 12:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi CrypticCurrency1. As there was/is an active thread there, I have responded on your own talk page. Guliolopez (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Dermot MacCarthy, 1st Lord of Muskerry and Cormac MacCarthy Mor, King of Desmond

Dear Guliolopez. Greetings, how are you? I am still under A-Class review for the article Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty. The reviewer User:Peacemaker67 suggested to make redlinks for two 14th-century Irish that I mentioned. Wondering whether they were notable and whether enough sources can be found to make articles, I boldly went ahead and made two stubs called Cormac MacCarthy Mor, King of Desmond and Dermot MacCarthy, 1st Lord of Muskerry. I am not good with the 14th century in Ireland and all the problems of using anglicised or Irish forms or both. Are the article names and lead sentences correct? Should the kings of Desmond have a succession box? Is it princes of Desmond or kings in the 14th century? I would believe they were kings before Henry VIII declared himself King of Ireland, princes afterwards. Could you please have a look at these two stubs and correct them? With many, many thanks for now and all the many other times you helped me. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hendrix quote on Rory Gallagher

Your presence is requested here.

2600:1700:37AA:4950:1407:541D:E091:5994 (talk) 21:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Charming. Not my input or thoughts? My "presence"? How could I ignore such a pleasant invite... Guliolopez (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for the gentle nudge

and of course for the Links WP:COPYVIO WP:CLOP to help me along, VERY much appreciated! Maybe if you can get a chance can you have a look at what I've added to the page for Beara Peninsula this is the section that was not Copy and Pasted. I'll summarize the rest later. Bibby (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Busy Bee

	Buzzy Bee
	Thanks for the help, your re-wording reads better. ex uno plures Bibby (talk) 23:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Holidays

	Nollaig shona duit
	Wising you and yours the very best for the holiday season and new year. Ceoil (talk) 20:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much @Ceoil:. Very many happy returns for the season and new year. Guliolopez (talk) 21:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Rosie Hackett

I am perfectly happy that you moved the poem Naming the Bridge to the Rosie Hackett Bridge page , but am very disappointed to see it gone from this page. If you listen to the very fine poem, it is about her life's work and why she is deserving of the honour. Please consider putting it back here. There is no reason it cannot be in both. Aineireland (talk)

Hi. And thanks for your note. If you wish to readd the YouTube link, then that would be OK with me. However, to my mind, that link is perhaps better suited to the Rosie Hackett Bridge article. And perhaps less suited to the Rosie Hackett article. Which is why I "moved it". (Because it's title, theme, topic, tone and content all primarily relate to the naming of the bridge. Yes, the content also covers (as you note) her life events/efforts. But, primarily, as they apply to the bridge-naming/commemoration.) I note, separately and disappointingly, and perhaps in the context of WP:ELNO, that the reader makes a statement which isn't entirely factually accurate. A statement which, granted, I've heard repeated elsewhere. About it being the "first bridge named after a woman [in Dublin]". Which, without qualification, isn't entirely correct. Slán agus GRMA. Guliolopez (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Dates of birth

The dates of birth for Irish sportspeople are from a number of sources. The recently-created articles on a number of Meath Gaelic footballers, including Mick White, should now have a link to a source on their date of birth. Other websites which provide this information have also been used. These include Find My Past and the Irish Genealogy website.

As regards the date of birth in the Danny Buckley article. His date of birth of 1957 is correct given that he played minor in 1975 and under-21 in 1978. The date of 1945 in the category box is an error. User:CorkMan (talk)

Hi CorkMan. And thanks for the response.

In terms of Mick White, I'm afraid I must be overlooking something. Where (what page?) of that 1966 match program is his age or date-of-birth given? I see his name on page 14 (centre pages) among the subs for Meath. And a short bio-entry on page 16. Confirming that he was a minor in 1959, and joined the senior team in 1966. Is this what we are using to extrapolate (WP:SYNTH) a date of birth of 1941? (I otherwise don't see an age or DOB mentioned anywhere in that program...)

In terms of Danny Buckley, while I understand that the 1945 date is clearly an error, I still do not understand where we are getting the 1957 date from? Are we sating that, because he played minor in 1975 and u-21 in 1978, we can extrapolate (WP:SYNTH) a potential DOB in 1957?

If that's what we are doing, how is all of this not WP:OR and WP:SYNTH? Guliolopez (talk) 17:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Fergus O'Connor

Well done! Keep going! I had stalled and am really meant to be doing something else anyway. Thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:40, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Cheers. I'm largely done for the time being. I'll take another look in the coming days. Guliolopez (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Tranarossan House or Trá na Rosann youth hostel

Morning Guliolopez - and a Happy New Year to you. I'm wanting to do a short Start article on the above, List of works by Edwin Lutyens / [1], and I'm hoping you can help. Some of the internet sources suggest it is a listed building/protected structure. However, I can't find it here,[2], either through the search engine or the map. Any ideas as to where I might find the listing record, assuming it exists, would be much appreciated. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @KJP1:. The NIAH (buildings.ie) database is not a list of protected structures. Which is (one of the reasons) why your building isn't listed. Each local authority (city and county council) maintains its own Record of Protected Structures. The relevant one here is the latest (2018) Record of Protected Structures maintained by Donegal County Council. Based on the name and location of that youth hostel ("Trá na Rosann Hostel, Dundooan Lower"), it seems likely that the equivalent listing in the Donegal Record of Protected Structures is ref # 40900702 on page 21 (listed as "Tranarossan House, Dundoan, Lower Carrigart"). The building also appears, under this "Tranarossan House" name, in the Dictionary of Irish Architects (confirming the association with Lutyens). Tranarossan House is therefore confirmed to be a protected structure, of a type that likely meets WP:NBUILDING. (As an aside, please consider, if you come across AfD or AfC discussions [where contributors suggest that the NIAH alone is a definitive indicator of protection status and notability) that it cannot be used as one. As indicated by the fact (in this case) that it does not contain this entry (which verifiably is a protected structure) and contains many other entries (which verifiably are NOT protected structures). Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Exhaustive, and very helpful! Many thanks. Quite why Ireland doesn’t hold a central record is puzzling, but I’m sure there are reasons for it. Anyways, I have what I need for Tranarossan now, and Commons has quite a good image. As an aside, do you have any preference for the title? Tranarossan House as it was, or the youth hostel it now is? Thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

p.s. There are a number of phone boxes in England which are listed, so I think that fine example should be considered! KJP1 (talk) 17:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi.

RE: Article name. Personally I would go with "Tranarossan House". As that is what the heritage listing uses. "Trá na Rosann Hostel" (certainly the "hostel" part) feels like a modern/business/marketing name.

RE: Central record. The protection records are managed by the individual local authorities because planning is managed by the individual local authorities. (There are other central records, where the authorities are centralised. For national monuments with national importance. But "local importance" is determined "locally".)

RE: Phone boxes. There are protected phone boxes and post boxes in Ireland too. Just not tatty and generic 1970s and 1980s examples made of MDF.

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 19:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed. We have a Start. KJP1 (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:NOFULLTEXT.

Hi Guliolopez, message received. A few things though. Which was the latest offence I committed re. 'including the entirety of deeds and other sources in articles'? As for "lazily" copy/pasting the entire source, I actually have to manually type these things out, often from largely illegible and centuries-old documents. I do not appreciate your remark that this is "lazy", especially considering I seem to be the only person to be bringing these sources of info to the wider public (i.e. the point of Wikipedia). Lastly, you are the only mod who has messaged me about this, and I wonder why that is. To reiterate though, I do get your point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankysandwich2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Frankysandwich2.

• RE: "Lazily". You are 100% correct to point this out. And I am 100% in the wrong. I should know better. I recognise (and should have acknowledged rather than dismissing) the effort involved. And the intentions behind that effort. I hope you'll accept my sincerest apologies.
• RE: "Only mod". In honesty I don't know why others haven't questioned the approach. When the references and footnotes are "bigger than the article", then something is likely wrong. Perhaps I'm just more of a pedant than others.
• RE: "Do get your point". Thanks. If you need help with the application of WP:NOFULLTEXT or other related guidelines, I'll help where I can.

Apologies (and thanks) again. Guliolopez (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, and I appreciate your apology. If the rules are unclear on what constitutes the correct amount of information to be included from such sources to allow them to be understood properly, then I suggest Wikipedia define these rules. As stated, you are the only person to find issue with info I add, and every time you do, you slash much relevant info from the sources. I think you should consult with other mods for their thoughts on this as it might just be you who feels this strongly about it. It can feel a bit like editorial bullying and I don't think any editing on Wikipedia should come down to how pedantic a certain mod feels on a certain day. If there is an appeal process I would like to pursue it.

You are correct when you say 'When the references and footnotes are "bigger than the article", then something is likely wrong' and I try not to do this ever since BeggarsBushBarracksgate a few weeks ago. However, as you know, most people access the internet on their phone now and can simply click whether they want to read the Notes section on a Wiki article or not. It makes absolutely no difference to the length of the article on your phone as you are only ever reading a portion of a Wiki article at any one time anyway. The more info the better I say. Having said that I do understand it can make an article page look off if you are viewing it on a desktop format and the references and footnotes are bigger than the article.

I'm going to try and explain now how certain info from a deed cannot simply be cut out when it is vital to the understanding of the information as a whole. As it stands, this is the recent addition I made to the Mercer's Hospital page which you decided to edit. In italics are the parts you considered appropriate for deletion, and my attempt to explain why they are not.

Registry of Deeds, Dublin. Memorial: 80-51-54866. Registered 17/12/1734. A Memorial of a Quadripartite Deed of Assignment indented bearing Date the Twentyeth day of May One thousand Seven hundred and thirty four made between Mary Mercer of the City of Dublin, Spinster, of the first part [..] 

the Reverend Doctor Charles Whittingham Arch Deacon of Dublin and Minister of the Parish Church of St. Peters Dublin, Captain John Petre of the City of Dublin and John Witton of the said City, Painter, Church Wardens of said Parish and the Reverend John Anthrobus and David Latouche Parishioners of said Parish in behalf of themselves and other the Parishioners of the Second Part, John Bowes Esquire his Majesties Sollicitor Generall and Boleyn Whitney of Dublin Esquire of the third part, His Grace Doctor Hugh Bolter (Hugh Boulter) Lord Arch Bishop of Ardmagh and Primate of all Ireland, His Grace Doctor John Hoadley (John Hoadly) Lord Arch Bishop of Dublin, The Right Reverend Doctor Charles Cobb (Charles Cobbe) Lord Bishop of Kildare and Dean of Christ Church Dublin, The Right Honble Thomas How Present Lord Mayor of the City of Dublin, Charles Burton and William Woodworth Esquires high Sherriffs of the said City, Doctor Jonathan Swift Dean of St Patricks, the Reverend Charles Whittingham Arch Deacon of Dublin, the Reverend Doctor William Jackson Minister of St. Johns Parish Dublin, the Reverend Dean Percival Minister of St. Michan’s Parish Dublin, William Stephens and Francis Lehunt (Francis LeHunte) of the City of Dublin, Esquires and Doctors of Physick, Hanniball Hall, William Dobbs and John Stone of the City of Dublin, Esquires and Surgeons in said City of the fourth part. (Why did you consider Mary Mercers name relevant for inclusion above but not the list of people she was assigning the property to? This is the list of "the Minister, Church Wardens and Parishioners of the Parish of St. Peter's, Dublin" and the "eminent surgeons" specifically mentioned in the article which one would have thought was an obvious set of names to include. If anyone wanted to know who these committee members or surgeons were (one of them is Jonathan Swift) they now cannot because you deleted it. Why should this info not be included?)

Reciting that the Minister, Church Wardens and Parishioners of the Parish of St Peters Dublin by their Lease [..] 

Dated the twenty fifth of February One thousand Seven hundred and twenty four (This part is specifying the date of a prior Lease of 1724, which affected the Deed of Assignment of 1734. This is also referenced in the text where it says "The house for "poor decayed Christians" was never built and the site lay vacant until February 1724 when Mary Mercer began leasing part of St Stephen's churchyard for the purposes of establishing a charity house thereon". This sentence is crucial as it differentiates the transaction of 1724 from the transaction of 1734 and gives background information to the status of the site as it was in 1724. Why should this info not be included?)

Did Demise and Sett to the said Mary Mercer All that Piece of Ground Scituate & being Part of the Ground Commonly Called St Stephens Church Yard in the Suburbs of the City of Dublin [..] 

Containing in front to St Stephens Street facing William Street Forty five foot & a half or thereabouts and in Depth from front to Rere forty six foot or thereabouts To hold for Nine Hundred and Ninty Nine Years from the twenty fifth day of December then last past at a pepper corn per annum (This part specifies the dimensions of the property (of immense historical value), the terms of the lease and the rent (a pepper corn - mentioned in the article). Why should this info not be included?).

And Reciting that the said Mary Mercer had Erected & built on the said Ground a Large Stone House with Conveniencys and Accomodations thereunto belonging fitt for the habitation and Reception of Poor Persons Pursuant to her Intention in Taking the said Lease [..] 

The said Deed Witnessed that the said Mary Mercer in Order to Settle & Assure the said Stone House with it’s Appurtenances for the Use & purpose in the said Deed Expressed And Also in Consideration of the Sum of Ten Shillings to her in hand paid by the said John Bows and Boleyn Whitney, she the said Mary Mercer by & with the Advice, Direction & Consent of the said Charles Whittingham, John Petre, John Witton and John Antrobus & David Latouche Testifyed as therein is mentioned Did Grant, bargain, Sell, Assign and sett over unto the said John Bowes & Boleyn Whitney All... (This part explains how the property came to be handed over from Mary Mercer to the committee in 1734. This is also clearly made reference to in the text of the article and is wholly relevant to the thrust of the article. Why should this info not be included?)

that the aforesaid large Stone House with the yard, backside, Easements and appurtenances thereunto belonging in St Stephens Church Yard in the Parish of St Peter’s Dublin

To Hold to the said John Bowes & Boleyn Whitney & the Survivors & Survivor of them & the Executors & Administrators of such Survivor from thenceforth for and During all the Remainder of the Term of Years then to Come of the said Lease upon the Trust and Confidence & to the Intent & purpose in the said Deed Expressed which said Deed was perfected by the said Mary Mercer in the presence of Frederick Le Boux, Sexton to the Parish Church of St Peters Dublin & Samuel Kathrens Junior of Dublin, Gentleman and by the said Charles Whittingham, William Jackson, William Stephens, Hannibal Hall and William Dobbs in the presence of the said Samuel Kathrens Junior & Samuel Kathrens Senior of Dublin, Merchant & this Memorial was Signed and Sealed by the said William Dobbs in the presence of the said Samuel Kathrens Senior & Samuel Kathrens Junior. (This part explains the term of the lease which the committee have just taken over from Mary Mercer. Why should this info not be included? The witnesses to the deed are also mentioned, including 'Frederick Le Boux, Sexton to the Parish Church of St Peters Dublin' which is of historical interest but, granted, not specifically relevant to Mercer's Hospital and could be omitted. As could the final names)

Apologies if this seems OTT but I feel strongly about this. You are erasing passages from the Notes that are clearly referenced in the body of the article. I don't really know how to sign off on these things. Frankysandwich2 — Preceding undated comment added 17:00, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Frankysandwich2. Thanks for your note above. And apologies for any delay. It's been a busy weekend. I'll drop you a note on the above. ASAP. Guliolopez (talk) 11:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Guliolopez, it's ok. I've decided to take the sources down from the articles I was adding to, and leave them as they were before. This is a big u-turn I know, but I hope you understand. I could explain more but it's difficult to discuss here. Thanks for the help over the past few weeks, Frankysandwich2 (talk) 20:29, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Annaghdown

What about the new camogie club 2001:BB6:7B31:7300:9426:6C82:3093:8324 (talk) 07:33, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. I'm not sure what you're asking me. What about that club? Are you asking me to do (or to help with) a particular change? Guliolopez (talk) 11:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Churchfield, Cork city

Is Gurranabraher the correct dab for this. Not from the city so some of my geography of the north side is confused, esp where Knocknaheeny ends, where Blackpool begins and whats inbetween, and have found zero RS that delinate rsp to Churchfield. Google maps is hopeless here. Thinking specifically of the Ricky Dineen article; he has always been careful in interviews to say "from Churchfield". ps, hope all is well. Ceoil (talk) 20:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hiya. Hope all's well with you too. And keeping safe.

RE: Churchfield boundaries - Churchfield is an electoral district as you know. The best RS (map) for the boundaries of Churchfield is the one on Logainm.ie (Placenames DB).

RE: Churchfield V Garranabraher - Garranabraher is a townland as you know. The best RS (map) for the boundaries of Garranabraher is likely the one on Townlands.ie.

RE: Churchfield V Dineen - If you know more specifically Dineen is from (and likely you do), if that streets fits within the above maps, then you can safely say he's from Churchfield (and/or from Garranabraher. If the maps overlap.)

Otherwise, yes, in general terms, to my mind there is sufficient overlap between the map of Churchfield and map of Garranabraher to have the former redirect to the latter. (As the majority of Churchfield [Churchfield Ave, Churchfield Hill, Churchfield Gardens, Churchfield place, Churchfield Terrace, etc] all sits within Garranabraher townland).

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. The correct townland, I now see, for the page is Graun, and appreciate the explanation, I was searching google rather than databases, and have now learned a thing or two. Ceoil (talk) 10:59, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Kindly help to improve the page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubashir_Husain_Rehmani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhammad Absar Uddin (talk • contribs) 09:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind invite. But no thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Irish War of Independence

Hi Guliolopez, on your recent reversion I agree with you that "Most of this content is misplaced." and that "This is confusing at best";)). The page needs some references to the many prisons that were in place during the Irish War of Independence. As written it seems that HMS Arenta and a few small prisons in NI was the only ones. Now thats confusing! How can we link in Cork County Gaol, Mountjoy Prison, Crumlin Road Gaol etc? Palisades1 (talk) 16:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hiya.

RE: "I agree". Great.

RE: "Need mention of other prisons used during War of Independence". You could well be right. If you are proposing changes or additions to the article, then the article talk page (at Talk:Irish War of Independence) is the best place for that. So that other editors can discuss if/whether/how/where to include additional text. A content discussion will be lost here on my user talk page.

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Discogs as a source

FWIW, Discogs is WP:USERG and should not be used for a source. See WP:RSP#Discogs. Toddst1 (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. I wasn’t aware. I’ll take a look for alt sources. Appreciated. Guliolopez (talk) 07:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Resolved; I think any related issues should now be addressed. Thanks for the heads-up (noted for the future). Guliolopez (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The Academic

Do you know the birth dates of the members of the Irish band from County Westmeath called The Academic and why do the members don't need a wiki page? CrypticCurrency (talk) 19:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Eh. I'm not sure why you are asking me these questions. I have never edited that article. And have no specific knowledge on the topic. Otherwise:

• "Do I know the birthdays of the members of this band"? No. I don't.
• "Why each member of a band doesn't automatically have own article"? Because WP:BANDMEMBER.

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

stuffnobodycaresabout.com

I was trying to be a little bit funny while backing up your point - I've never seen an article with a deletion rationale 'speak for itself' quite like that. I appreciate your perspective very much! Beccaynr (talk) 04:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

  Understood! Guliolopez (talk) 04:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Lacken, County Wicklow

Thanks for improving that page on Lacken! Much appreciated. Regards, Ridiculopathy (talk) 15:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC).

Gaiety Theatre Dublin

Thank you for your comments and query about Morash citation. I'm new to editing wikipedia and welcome your help. Regarding "no new theatres opened in Ireland between 1844 and 1871": the source of this is Morash page xv chronology (timeline of Irish theatre), Morash writes that the Queen's Theatre Royal opened 1844 Oct and, shows no other theatres opening until 1871, 27 Nov when the Gaiety Theatre opened. Please let me know if this satisfies requirement for citation and what format I should use. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunson55 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi. And welcome. In all honesty I wonder if another source is required. I suggest this as:

• "lavish theatres". I read pages 104–106 of Morash, and the chronology section on page XV, and he doesn't seem to say anything about "many large, lavish theatres" being built in "cities across Europe and North America". Hence this needs to be removed. Or supplemented with a ref that actually does state as much. WP:VER
• "no theatres opened between 1844 and 1871". The chronology page, XV, is a list of various types of events. It doesn't claim to be an exhaustive list of everything. It covers stuff from the Act of Union (1800), start of the famine (1845), through the founding of the GAA (1884) and Gaelic League (1893). It also includes a sampling of the premieres of some plays, the opening of some theatres, the hiring of a new manager at the Queen's Theatre, and the fire at the Theatre Royal. However, it does not support the text you have associated it with. And doesn't overtly state that "between 1844 and 1871 nothing happened". If you are reading a "gap" in the timeline as indicative of something, then that is a form of WP:SYNTH.
• "because of regulations that required a license". I might be missing it, but I don't see any such assertion on pages 104, 105, 106 or XV. Where is this coming from? Unless Morash states as much, or you have another ref which supports as much, then this can only be read as your own assertion. A form of WP:OR.

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 14:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

As an aside, even if Morash overtly stated that "no new theatres were opened between 1844 and 1871" (and, as above, he doesn't) it would (at the very least) be a misleading statement. In Cork for example, The Athenaeum theatre was opened in 1855. Well within the date bounds you offer in your text. Unless these additions can be supported or qualified (with something other than "Morash doesn't list some things and if he doesn't list them they 100% didn't happen") then they should be removed. If you don't address these issues yourself, then I'm happy to. Guliolopez (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Paddy McMahon (author) Draft

Hi Guliolopez,

I see you've added [by whom?] to the beginning of this page draft. Can you help me figure out how to phrase it properly. I cited that claim with the HarperCollins website which says "Paddy McMahon is one of Ireland’s most respected clairvoyants and spiritual teachers", and then further down in the article I've cited an Irish Times piece which describes him as having thousands of followers who came to him for spiritual advice and believed he had clairvoyant abilities. How should this be incorporated into the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reckon Her (talk • contribs) 11:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi. As HarperCollins doesn't attribute the claimed opinion to anyone (or clarify or qualify their own claim), then something like "According to publisher HarperCollins, he is 'one of Ireland's most respected clairvoyants'" may address. Otherwise, given that the source is a primary/promotional one (with which the subject has an association), you may want to consider whether that type of claim/source should be there at all. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Shrove, County Donegal.

I don't know if you can answer this. Just thought I'd ask you as you have made some really constructive edits to this particular article. On 4 April 2022, I created a Wikipedia article entitled Shrove, County Donegal. For some reason, this article has not gone 'live' yet. The only way to access it is via other articles that have a blue link to it. Why is this, do you think? For example, I created an article called Largy Waterfall just this very night, which has went 'live' (for want of a better world!!) already. Why is this, do you think. Laggan Boy (talk) 22:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Hiya. I'm afraid that I don't follow what you are saying. Other than draft articles and pending changes, there is no concept in Wikipedia of an article (as a whole and in the main article namepace) being "live" or "not live". The Shrove, County Donegal and the Largy Waterfall articles are both in exactly the same state. Both are "live" in the main article namespace. Neither is in draft. And neither has any pending changes. What differences, exactly, are you seeing? (I see none. I can search for both. Link to both. Read both. Etc.) Sorry if I'm overlooking something in your note above, but I'm afraid I'm just not following what the issue is.... Guliolopez (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

When I type in 'Shrove, County Donegal Wikipedia', those exact words, that article on Shrove never comes up. I can only access it by going in to another article that has a blue link directly to it, such as the article on Greencastle or the article on Inishowen, etc.. When I type in 'Largy Waterfall Wikipedia', on the other hand, the article Largy Waterfall comes up immediately. I don't know why that is. Anyhow, just thought I'd ask yourself, as you seem very, very knowledgeable about the 'mysterious workings' of Wikipedia. 😄 Laggan Boy (talk) 04:46, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Hiya. In all honesty, I don't know why that would be the case. When I type "Shrove" in the search box, I see the Shrove, County Donegal article in the list of results. Same when I search in the original/older search service. To my understanding, everything seems to be as it should. Certainly, per the page view stats that are (now) on the Talk page it seems that others are able to find/read the article just fine. Might just be an issue "on your computer". In which case you could always try purging the page or clearing your own cache. Guliolopez (talk) 11:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Aye, maybe so. Listen, thanks again for your help as regards this query. Really appreciate it. Thank you. 🙂 Laggan Boy (talk) 13:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Kelty Hearts

Hi, I was wondering if you could reinstate the Kelty Hearts season page. While I agree the initial page was not well presented and seriously lacked sources, I have been gathering this info and have everything written up and ready to be dropped into the page to add credible sources and citations.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98AL (talk • contribs) 21:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

OK. I have self-reverted (to restore that content). In honesty I'm not sure how a single season of a team in the fourth tier of Scottish football meets the NSEASONS notability criteria. But if you are aware of independent/reliable/verifiable sources, which cover the club's season to the extent that it has notability enough to "stand alone", then feel free to add that coverage. And update the article to reflect it. Personally, in my own WP:BEFORE, I could find no independent sources which covered the topic (a single season of a 4th tier club) in sufficient depth to warrant a stand-alone article. Guliolopez (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Strawberry Beds

This is what you wrote in your edit on Strawberry Beds: "→‎History: Per source. The source says "Before the days of flight". Not "Before the days of *cheap* flights". We are talking the 19th century and earlier here. Pre the Wright Brothers. Not pre Ryanair. FFS."

I think you need a refresher course on how to treat other Wikipedians with respect. Your tone is deplorable at times.

Ridiculopathy (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Apologies. While, of course, intended to a comment on the content rather than any editor, the tone and content of that EDSUM were both ill-advised. Thanks for raising. Guliolopez (talk) 08:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Shannon Airport

Just wondering what the main reason for the revert was? Your comment referenced "second mention type clarifications", if this was in reference to "in Country Clare in Ireland", that was the pre-existing structure of the sentence. I would be happy to change it to the more succinct "in Country Clare, Ireland". Cashew.wheel (talk) 09:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Hiya.

RE: "Main reason for revert". Apologies if my EDSUM wasn't clear. The main driver for the change/restoration is as raised by the editors involved in the discussion here (perma). Which you have since likely seen.

RE: "County Clare"/"Country Clare [sic]". I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean by this, but clarity on where County Clare is located wasn't/isn't a specific concern.

RE: "Second mention". This was the main reason for restoring the text. As covered in the WP:SECONDMENTION essay, by "hiding" the reference to the state, and presuming that the reader recognises that "the republic" means the state (and further knows that the state should be distinguished from the island) we have prioritised style over clarity. In a way that doesn't seem entirely necessary. The existing sentence ("The airport is the third busiest airport in the Republic of Ireland, and the fifth busiest on the island [of Ireland]") is already in keeping with the spirit and meaning of WP:IRE-IRL. (In that, while Northern Ireland is not mentioned specifically, it is implied - by mention of the island and the 2x airports [busier than Shannon] in NI.)

In all honesty, I wonder whether some (although not all) of the edits in your sequence of WP:IRE-IRL changes are also entirely necessary. (In this edit for example we now state that "Lough Corrib [..is..] the largest lake in Ireland". When "Lough Corrib [..is..] the largest lake in the Republic of Ireland" was perhaps clearer. And not otherwise inconsistent with the spirit or intention of WP:IRE-IRL.)

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 10:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of WP:SECONDMENTION and thought it might have related to the use of "in {place}" consecutively, "in County Clare in the Republic Of Ireland", which was in the original version of the article. I'm going to shorten that to "in Country Clare, Ireland". Happy to leave the reference to the 2nd busiest airport as is for the sake of clarity over correctness. Cashew.wheel (talk) 12:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for stepping on your toes!

I just manually reverted some edits on the Burke article, and inadvertently removed some you had done in the interim of me starting my edit. Sorry! Xx78900 (talk) 20:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Understood. Not a problem. FYI, however, while the edits you were seeking to address could have been better explained by the editor in question, I happen to agree that some of the editorial could be reframed and the opinions expressed more clearly attributed. Also, not to put too fine a point on it, "I told you so" (in terms of the attention such an article was likely to get) :) Do not be surprised, and continue to breathe and count to 10, as that article takes turns you may not 100% agree with. Not that you need reminding, but don't forget WP:OWN.... Guliolopez (talk) 20:49, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Five Go Down to the Sea?

Doh. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 19:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Guliolopez (talk) 15:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat the Baker

Hi @Guliolopez: Can you remove that stuff that stated " ("The author is an ass" is not a WP:DEL-REASON. Much as I sometimes wish it was....)". I spoke of any of that. Can you please remove. I don't know where it came from. scope_creep^Talk 17:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I don't see a need to update my comments/thoughts. My thoughts are my own. And my comment is my own. I've not put words in your mouth. If anyone suggests otherwise, you can direct them here. Or your own response. Otherwise, even if I was inclined to make a courtesy clarification:

• you've already replied-to and quoted-from my comment. WP:TALK#REPLIED advises against editing comments which have already been quoted-from/replied-to.
• that you feel the need to repeatedly question my ability to make a reasoned AfD contribution (suggesting that I am "confused", unfamiliar with AfD policies or have made a "notability is inherited" argument when I have not) means I'm disinclined to make a retrospective change which, IMO, is neither needed nor appropriate.

(FYI - As someone familiar with the AfD process, you're aware of WP:SATISFY. And the advice against repeatedly policing others' viewpoints. I've already confirmed that my recommendation hasn't been changed by attempts to reframe my argument. Which, to repeat, is not about inheritance. But is about the inefficiency in deleting an article about "Pat the Baker" (the company) and replacing it with one about "Pat the baker" (the man).)

Further chasing (here or there) isn't necessary. Have a great weekend! Guliolopez (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Dungarvan CBS

Hello, I saw You removed my edits of the Dungarvan CBS page, I assure you I am a student in this school and am qualified to talk about what is taught and what actvivites; events; etc... happen. However, I understand that you might not trust me as a reliable source, I am merely informiing you that I am. What puzzels is this comment you left in the edit log: "Also JFK? Child labour? Come off it...", I understand you may not believe me for the child labor, but I do not understant the problem you have with the Forensics fun workshop and I would appreciate an explantion? Oirish baguette (talk) 08:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Oirish baguette.

RE: "I [..] am qualified to talk about what is taught and what actvivites [..] happen". By now you have hopefully read WP:BIT, WP:RS and WP:VER. To confirm, however, "I live/work/attend/visited the subject [and know X to be true]" isn't especially relevant. Editors don't need, for example, to have been to the moon to be able to contribute to lunar articles. It is access to sources that is relevant. Not access to the subject. (A library card. Rather than a NASA badge.)

RE: "TY students get to partake in a wide range of activies including [..] Child labor". This is what you wrote. A claim that "TY students get to participate in child labour" read like attempted/misplaced humour to me. And, without a ref or edit summary or other context, I removed it. If humour wasn't intended, then what was intended? What "child labour" activities do TY students undertake?

RE: "I am a student in this school". Please consider reading Wikipedia:Schoolcruft#Editorial and policy issues of Schoolcruft and Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors.

All the best. Guliolopez (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Driveby comment: Presumably by "child labour" you meant "work experience"? The two are very different! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

No, What I meant was that the students go work in the school canteen and go pack bag at the local supervalu without the proper paperwork Oirish baguette (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

If planning to state in the article that the subject is in breach of the Protection of Young Persons (Employment) Act 1996 (or otherwise engaged in child labour practices that breach employment law or child protection laws), then please provide a reliable ref. Also consider reading WP:LIBEL. Guliolopez (talk) 16:06, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Tara Brooch

Hi Guliolopez, once more asking for help. Can you start to watch the article on Tara Brooch; planning another heave during Nov/Dec. The sources are full of hagiography, and you might pull me back from the brink every so often, if I'm not already there. Your input and help/drag back from fanstuff is appreciated as always. Plus you have a lot of knowledge. Maybe someday I'll buy you a pint. Ceoil (talk) 09:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure. I'll add it to my watchlist and give it a read-through. Pints always appreciated - but not necessary :) Guliolopez (talk) 16:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. With apologies Ceoil, I only got around to giving that a "proper" look today. I've made a few tweaks. This one probably needs a quick review. Otherwise all looks good to me! Guliolopez (talk) 14:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Excellent work - I got two copyedits/ref conversions for the price of one :) I'm definitely going to get you a fancy whiskey chaser with that pint! Once again, thanks for all the help over the, now years!! Ceoil (talk) 19:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Neale's Musick Hall, Dublin

Hi Guliolopez, I did up a draft for a page on the Music Hall / Musick Hall on Fishamble Street in which Handel premiered Messiah back in 1742. If you get a chance could you take a look? I thought "Neale's Musick Hall, Dublin" might be the best title, but eager to get other opinions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ridiculopathy/Neale%27s_Musick_Hall,_Dublin Thanks, Ridiculopathy (talk) 00:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hiya Ridiculopathy. Thanks for the prompt. Definitely a worthwhile topic. (I routinely walked past this spot for years.) In terms of:

• Initial draft, while I've made a few copyediting and other tweaks, looks good to me.
• Title, I'm not sure "Neale's Musick Hall" is the common name. With just 52 search results on Google. "Neal's Musick Hall" has more results, including in the Dictionary of Irish Biography, National Library, etc.
• Demolition, without an inline ref I'm not sure how to improve it, but I wonder if the final sentence could be reworded to reflect the source on which it is based? (See note).
• Scope, I wonder if more could be made of the charitable nature of the society. (With an eye on a possible DYK entry, I wonder if more focus should be given to the purpose (ostensibly at any rate) of charitable nature of the concerts/funding. I know it's mentioned, but I think more could be made of it. I note the original notice for the Messiah read "For relief of the prisoners in the several gaols, and for the support of Mercer's Hospital in Stephen's Street, and of the Charitable Infirmary on Inn's Quay... will be performed at the Musick Hall in Fishamble Street, Mr Handel's new Grand Oratorio called the Messiah...").

Hope this helps. Guliolopez (talk) 10:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Guliolopez, thanks for that.

• I'm still new to Wikipedia so I'm not sure how to change titles once they've been made, but maybe it would be best to change it to "Neal's Musick Hall, Dublin" so? If there's more hits for that spelling of the surname.
• You're right, more could be made of the charitable nature. I have Jonathan Bardon's excellent book "Hallelujah. The Story of a Musical Genius and the City That Brought His Masterpiece to Life" (2015), so I'll try add some stuff from that.

Appreciate your help, Ridiculopathy (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lisdowney

Your additions of sources to Draft:Lisdowney was a direct edit conflict with my review of the article. Apologies for that. Had I waited another minute the outcome might have been different! It has been substantially improved, so, if you want to renominate it, I would be happy to approve it. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. But I'm inclined to let the creating editor take a stab at some of the WP:VER issues. Before recommending it be moved to the main article space. There's no rush. Guliolopez (talk) 16:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

OK Velella. The creating editor didn't address the WP:VER issues (and seems to have been blocked anyway), so I've gone ahead and removed the uncited stuff from that draft. And resubmitted as you suggested. Guliolopez (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks Ceoil. And many happy returns! Guliolopez (talk) 01:20, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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Edwin Poots

hi there ! i added the paragraph about the UK gov publishing legislation to prevent other MLAs blocking the building of border posts as it is the end of the story as far as the DUP trying to sabotage the implementation of that part of the Protocol. I thought i was important to record this fact as it completes the circle so to speak. feel free to remove if you think its not relevant, thanks WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 08:56, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi. And thanks for note. I think I understand that rationale. But, ideally, the sources (which "close the loop" with Poots) would actually mention Poots. Are there any sources which do that? Mention the subject in the context of the latest "updates"? Otherwise it feels a little WP:COATRACKy... Guliolopez (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

sure thing, I can add in another news citation where he dodges the question totally i am afraid WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 13:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/poots-on-red-and-green-lane-plans-we-will-not-accept-dilution-of-our-place-in-uk-3986195 here is what he said: " “The fundamentals are: does it meet the DUP's seven tests? We're part of a sovereign United Kingdom, and it'll be against those things that measure and test. Diminution of our role as part of the UK won't be acceptable. We haven't got the full detail of anything to assess it. But it will be measured against the seven tests set out in July 2021.” WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 13:16, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

That is certainly a more relevant source. Although I'm not sure what you are planning to "use it for" on the related article. If you want to update the article, based on that source, I am happy to then help with any related copyediting. Otherwise, FYI, discussions about content and sources should happen in the relevant article talk page (Talk:Edwin Poots). Rather than here on my user talk page. "Away" from where other/interested editors can contribute. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 15:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

OK sure ill will add to relevant Talk pages in future..... I dont really want to use it on the article, as it doesn't add anything worthwhile, I was simply demonstrating why i didnt add it in the first place, thanks WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 15:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

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