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Thrillville: Off The Rails

How do you post a Thrillville: Off The Rails page

Canand1 14:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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RE: Archive

Thanks for the comment but it was another user who I'd welcomed via their talk page who needed the help, they placed that on my page by mistake. Sorry to bother you. Onnaghar(Speak.CTB?) 15:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Weekly Notification

Just a super quick note, Wikipedia Weekly Episode 21 is out and can be downloaded at the usual places (if you've forgotten, WikipediaWeekly.com works wonders. -- Tawkerbot 01:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

thank you

thanks for unblocking me, very appreciatedRorydelip 13:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page. I'm kinda baffled at how he keeps vandalizing it, since he was blocked earlier in the day for 24 hours, but I appreciate you reverting it! ArielGold 00:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your message on my talk page. I was not sure if I was reporting it correctly or not. I am beginning a conversation with the user in question. · Tygartl1·talk· 20:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for the heads up with the above user, I've been away for a couple of days so appologies for the late reply. Just to let you know, there was an off wiki CU request done proving he was a sock - hence the block. Hope your well, Ryan Postlethwaite 22:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

CorenSearchBot

Hey there.

Did you mean/think that CSBot tags articles with {{db-copyvio}}? I agree that would be a bad idea. It tags article with {{csb-pageincludes}}, {{csb-pageincluded}} or {{csb-wikipage}}. So it never bypasses human review.

Just thought I'd clear this up. — Coren (talk) 23:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Ganeshbot

I have deleted the three articles. Thanks for checking with me. I had asked the user to tag them with CSD G6. I was not sure what else should be used. Do you have any suggestion? Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for spotting the copy-vio on Lyndale Secondary College. I should have spotted it myself before copying it. You may as well tag the page with a speedy-delete tag. I will clean up the AFC page I copied from. GB 14:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave the copyvio tag for the week, but if there are no news from the user I'm gonna delete it. -- lucasbfr talk 21:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:List of endangered species in India Questions!! What if I fail? What if I don't?

If I get a permission how can I show it to Wikipedia and prove whether bits genuine. In short whats the procedure?

And if I fail do I hve to delete it? --KH 16:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Replied on this user's talk page - 21:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
But animalinfo.org itself has published the list from IUCN. So why should animalinfo have a problem? Its not an original work of animalinfo.--KH 06:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Replied on this user's talk page - 09:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

...for the revert on my talk page! --omtay38 17:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

no problem ;) -- lucasbfr talk 17:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

deletion -Greaseball Challenge

Hi - We are trying to create a Wiki entry for Greaseball Challenge - why would you have deleted this yesterday? I presume you think this is a copyright enfringement due to cut and paste from another website? Greaseball LLC is a registered US company based in Seattle, Washington. Greaseball Challenge is an event that took place in April 2007 and was documented widely online and in the press. The uploaded content was written by us - me actually - although it is from our website www.greaseballchallenge.com. The person who uploaded is a Director of Greaseball LLC. We uploaded as a place holder and intended to write a proper entry with links! let me know what to do next as we'd like to get this page reinstated please. perplexed, Emily Horgan --Emilyhorgan 17:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Your blocking on KeithLam

Hello. I was indirectly blocked by your blocking on KeithLam because I share the same IP address with him. Actually, the IP address of us is belongs to the HKUST and I believe that there are several users affected by this. I am sorry that I do not give the reason for the request of unblocking at once as I copy and plaste those wordings on my talk page since I didn't read the instruction carefully. What I want to ask is that are there any solutions that can block that user only while not block the other users who share the same IP address with him or her? Thanks.(Addaick 12:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC))

Replied on this user's talk page - 12:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. That means this is probably no any ways to avoid affecting the other users who share the same IP address?(Addaick 13:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC))
Replied on this user's talk page - 13:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Much thanks to your reply! This is quite unfair to the users who have the same IP address, I can say that!(Addaick 14:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC))

About Anthony's

You've eliminated the article about Anthony's Homeport Restaurant, which is a Northwest-based restaurant chain (and still VERY much in business, unlike Skipper's). It has nothing to do with C.J. Anthony's, a department store chain. I would appreciate it if the article on Anthony's Homeport Restaurant can be restored. Elwin Blaine Coldiron 22:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

 Done, beware that the notability of that article might be low enough to have it deleted in an AfD. -- lucasbfr talk 22:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Tor proxy softblock

The possibility of a softblock has been mentioned in the WP:TOR page since September 2006 [1] . Granted, the page is not an official policy. But in the discussion about the exact wording of WP:PROXY policy, there seems to be a consensus there should be an option (if not general policy) of only blocking anonymous edits (and creation of accounts) from open proxy addresses. (If you disagree with this, feel free to contribute to the discussion. Perhaps a workable solution might be that they should be hardblocked by default, but could be changed to a softblock if they are blocking a legitimate user and the address hasn't been abused by vandals or spammers.) - Mike Rosoft 10:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

  • By the way, there even happens to be a comment by Jimbo in support of softblocks of Tor addresses [2] in the WP:PROXY talk page archives. - Mike Rosoft 10:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL AT "THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING"

Who you think you are punk?

I'll use a proxy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.110.26.70 (talkcontribs).

Please do so, we need your help to identify and block all open proxies. -- lucasbfr talk 13:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CVU status

The Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 17:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Litigation Attorney

Yeah, I knew it was kinda borderline; I figured I'd leave it to the admins to decide. Thanks for your attention to this matter. Precious Roy 11:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Your removal of "Bruno Granier" biography

Cher Lucas,

Si vous considérez que la page que j'essaie de créer est en violation du droit de copie vous faites erreur: la page http://perso-sdt.univ-brest.fr/~bgranier/geologie/paleontologie/granier.html a été enlevée du serveur de l'UBO (Université de Brest!) Je vous invite à rafraîchir votre page pour constater sa disparition. Elle réapparaîtra peut-être dans une version différente et "française" à la demande de l'administration

Je vous serais reconnaissant de me laisser avancer l'édition de cette page. Cordialement, BG

(mon intention est de construire un ensemble de pages dédiés aux paléophycologues ... une espèce en voie de disparition ... et je commence par celui que je connais le mieux ;) ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brcg (talkcontribs).

Replied on this user's talk page - 16:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Brcg 22:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC) Cher Lucas (si vous permettez), Je ne suis pas assez familier avec ce système de discussion sur Wikipedia pour savoir si c'est la bonne manière de répondre. Je vous invite à contacter directement Bruno Granier dont vous n'aurez aucun mal à trouver les coordonnées (à l'université) sur son ancienne page (le "cache") ou dans divers autres sites auxquels il a pu contribuer et lui demander si ce que vous qualifiez d'emprunt/de copie/de plagiat le gêne en quelque sorte. B. Granier a récemment fait une communication (en accès libre) sur l'Open Acces, l'IF, le plagiat ... la visibilité ! http://international.inist.fr/article183.html#granier READ THE PDF OF THE TALK http://international.inist.fr/icsti/B_Granier.pdf WHICH WAS COPIOUSLY QUOTED BY Richard Akerman http://scilib.typepad.com/science_library_pad/2007/06/scientific-visi.html I hope I clarified the issue ... Regards, Salutations, brcg

About 'Ohm:'

I have been visiting Wikipedia for some time now, and I often wonder why bands that I dig are not represented here. I thought that no one was taking the time to do them justice. Now, I am forced to believe that they are not 'notable.' I realize the Jazz Fusion genre isn't exactly storming the Top 40 charts, but you'd think the original lead guitarist from Megadeth and the drumming son of Ginger Baker (of Cream) would earn 'Ohm:' a humble slot here. What a waste of my time. Feel free to delete the entry '"Live" On KPFK 90.7 FM' as well. I'm sure not going to waste my time on this site any more. B C R X C 03:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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Dragonfly CMS

How exactly does this article not fit CSD-A7? Where is the assertion of notability? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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Hello Luis. This is related to your speedy deletion of iPrismGlobal yesterday. I wanted to include my company iPrismGlobal in the list of proprietary software List of collaborative software since we are now into version 3 to be launched September 1 and have been developing products for collaborative working and learning since 1998.

I have been working in this field for many years and have done pioneering projects for Xerox, H-P, Caucus Systems, Open Text among others. I hosted the 1999 online symposium for the European Foundation for Management Development on collaborative working and learning which was the genisis for our version 1 product.

I am only attempting to have iPrismGlobal be listed along with other proprietary software List of collaborative software products and believe this is a fair and reasonable request. Can you help me understand why you object to this ? Or, provide me information that will guide me to an acceptable listing. Thank you. Simonzxcv 13:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Bruno Granier

Je découvre votre page après une recherche sur Google et vous prie d'enlever tout lien ou contenu faisant référence à ma personne ou à mon travail. Bruno Granier Professeur des Universités, Brest

 Not done Bonjour, après une recherche Google, je ne trouve trace d'aucun matériel problématique sur Wikipedia. Pointez moi vers ces articles et nous pourrons voir ensemble ce qu'il est possible de faire. En l'état, je ne vois pas vraiment de raison de retirer votre nom des 2 pages de discussion où je sais qu'il apparait (celle ci et celle de l'autre utilisateur). -- lucasbfr talk 10:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Want to help with the copyright violation backlog?

Hi - I see that you've taken care of the copyright infringement in The Heights (TV series). Do you want to help out with the backlog on Wikipedia:Copyright problems in general? I seem to be alone there this week, and I'm a very slow worker.. basically, I work on it when I have time + energy, and it's rare for both to hit at the same time, so the backlog is growing over my head.... --Alvestrand 17:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Episode articles of cancelled series?

I noticed a bunch of AFDs on articles about episodes of the "School Survival Guide" show from Nickelodeon. While I'm on the fence about whether they should be AFD'd or simply tagged "plot summary", the AFD comment says "...plot summary of nn episode of ceased series..." Why does it matter if the series was cancelled? Squidfryerchef 19:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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I think the series is still shown in syndication; what the article writers mean by "Cancelled" is that no new episodes are being produced. So it's theoretically possible that in the future someone might see one of these episodes, write a book about it about it, which could be cited in the article. But, that's not too likely. So I support the deletion but I'd recommend "cancelled" series not be used as a reason. Squidfryerchef 21:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Would be grateful if you would help

Yes I have had no luck in contacting them. If possible can you contact the concerned authority? KH 14:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

 Done email sent. -- lucasbfr talk 15:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Permission by Andy Vick, Executive Director of Allegany Arts Council has been granted for licensing under the terms of the GFDL per https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=997670&ArticleID=1233223#1233223. Please undelete this article. I am on OTRS, but not an admin here, so I cannot undelete it. Thanks, -- Bryan (talk|commons) 19:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

 Done Thanks a lot. -- lucasbfr talk 20:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you just tried to delete my "NitroFox page". I just wanted to let you know I recreated it, but only because I am not finished writing everything. I understand why you did it, because I didn't give the correct amount of info that would warrant it a Wiki page, but I am currently fixing that. Sorry for the problem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobertolovestaco (talkcontribs).

Sockpuppets

I think you may want to reconsider your block of West store. He/she is obviously a sockpuppet of Loom peat who was blocked indef a few minutes earlier. Spellcast 10:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

You just blocked this user for 31 hours. Almost certainly a sockpuppet of User:Loom peat. Accounts set up the same day at almost the same time. Same contributions.[3] Loom peat was indefinitely blocked a short while ago for these identical edits.[4] Regards, Kablammo 10:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

 Done for consistency, while I'd personally not have indef blocked the first one. -- lucasbfr talk 11:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I asserted the significance of this band per WP:MUSIC and then you speedily deleted it, apparently unilaterally. Please restore it. Chubbles 14:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

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That is an international tour, reported in the press, which qualifies under point 4 of WP:MUSIC. Regardless of whether you agree if this makes the band notable, this constitutes an assertion of notability, which makes the page ineligible for speedy deletion. Please undelete the article; if you wish to continue pursual of its deletion, you may do so at AfD, and I'll have to go dig up some more press sources. Chubbles 14:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Update: I have a battery of online press sources waiting to be added to this article. Chubbles 14:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Replied on this user's talk page - 16:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but this is faster. If I bring this up for GA status or something I'll change the refs over. Chubbles 16:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

No Title

Hi,

You deleted an article of mine titled "Paul Westran" and I think the reason you said was something about it not being noteworthy. He was the author of a book that is published and available on amazon.com. does this not qualify? What would be classed noteworthy?

Cheers 124.168.98.188 12:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I deleted this article because the article appeared to be about a person but it did not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. This article was also copy pasted from an other website. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. -- lucasbfr talk 08:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Help Me - Articles Being Considered For Deletion

{{helpme}}

Hello. Question 1: Is there anywhere on Wikipedia (some list or some link or some page) where a reader can see all of the articles that are currently being debated / discussed / considered for possible deletion? Question 2: Oftentimes, I find out "too late" that an article was already deleted and that the 5-day period (or whatever) is over and done with, and I was not able to particpiate in the discussion. How do I avoid that scenario from happening, without putting every single article of interest to me on my Watch List? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 17:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC))

You can find the current list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. For AfD, no there is not much you can do after the discussion is closed (but you can talk to the deleting admin to ask if your argument can convince him to undelete the article). If the article was deleted during the proposed deletion process, when there is no discussion, just contact the admin and he should be able to undelete the article (but anyone can bring it to AfD afterwards) If you need further help, please don't hesitate to post on my talk page or to put {{helpme}} followed by your question on this page. -- lucasbfr talk 17:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. For Question 1 (above), I did not see any article names on the page you referred me to. It was just a bunch of rules and policies about deletion. Please redirect me. Thanks. For Question 2 (above), how do I avoid that same scenario in the future? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 19:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC))
In fact, they are on subpages organized by date Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Current_discussions. For AfDs, unfortunately I don't see any other way than checking your watchlist often enough. It is common practice to tell people when an article they created is put for deletion, but this is not a requirement. I hope that helps! -- lucasbfr talk 19:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I am still unclear, so let me re-phrase my question. If I want to be aware of an article's proposed deletion ahead of time (so that I can participate in the deletion discussion / debate before the debate closes) ... I have two options. (A) I need to have that specific article on my Watch List. And whenever someone edits the article (for example, to propose it for deletion), I will be notified through my Watch List. Or (B) If a specific article is not on my Watch List, I would have to keep checking and re-checking those AfD sub-pages continuously to see what, in fact, is being considered for deletion on a day-to-day basis. Question 1: So, is my understanding correct? Question 2: If my understanding is correct, isn't there any other easier way than to (a) put every single article of interest on my Watch List ... or (b) having to keep checking that AfD page a million times a day on the off chance that one of my articles of interest might be on the list? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 19:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC))
If you go to the AfD sub-page for the previous day, then you need only check it once a day, or even once every 5 days as no new articles will be added to a day that has passed. Of course, if you find and AfD that concerns you, you will be checking it more often and watching how the argument progresses. As for tracking each page in your Watch list, "Speedy Delete" and AfDs are not likely to come up over articles with a long history or obvious relevance. If you just keep new articles on your list, you can likely cut down the numbers considerably. And, no, in spite of some thinking about this issue on my own behalf, I have found no easier way - yet. Bielle 19:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
What I do personally is keeping a list of the articles I want to keep an eye on (separate of my watchlist), and look at them every few days. In case of deletion discussion, there will be a big blue notice (either {{afd}} or {{prod}}) at the top. I hope that helps! -- lucasbfr talk 20:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately notifications of AfDs are very human-Dependant and not fool-proof. Categorized discussions uses human-sorting of AfDs according to topics of interest. In some WikiProjects participants specifically monitor and maintain a AfD-list on the list of articles that may be of the project's interest. Articles with no edits after AfD would indicate that it is being AfD'ed provided the nominator correctly includes 'AfD' (or anything similiar) in the edit summary. If you have created the article, some editors may choose to warn you on your talkpage of the AfD out of goodwill. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 02:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to all of you for the helpful responses. I understand the process much better at this point. Much appreciated. (Joseph A. Spadaro 17:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC))

I confess

Hi.

I'm willing to give over the usernames of all of my sockpuppets and leave wikipedia forever (never return on any computer at all) but can all of my userpages be deleted if I admit which sockpuppets were mine?

JBAK

Iadmitit 20:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting my user page. Cheers! --Ratiocinate (tc) 20:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry!

I did a bad edit and it did ineed appear as vandalism... Don't worry, their website has been fixed, i just wanted to remove the defacement part... Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.194.236 (talk) 16:32, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

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You obviously find the messege angel left me kind, but I think it is rude and innopropiate. Yes the messege made its point, but I was deeply offended by it because It is so direct and rude. My recent edits are completly justified! I did making a point and all I get in return are insults when I didnt do anything wrong. --Lan Cafe Whatever 00:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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I didnt offend noone, you guys offended me. --Lan Cafe Whatever 00:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help and support regarding this guy. It was very much appreciated :D AngelOfSadness talk 13:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

User Talk Pages for IP Address

Lucasbfr,

Yesterday I put a note on the Vandalism page about a user placing vanity links on the El Sobrante page. You removed it with a comment that this was not the User Talk page, and additionally you placed a nice note on the user talk page for that IP address. My ignornace here,but since many/most IP addresses are dynamically assigned when one connects to the Internet, how can one know that notes on Wiki talk pages associated with an IP address ever actually reach the person intended??--Fizbin 21:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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Northern New Guinea lowland rain and freshwater swamp forests

You deleted the above article alleging "blatant copyright infringement"; it was a one-sentence stub I wrote myself. What gives?Tom Radulovich 01:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. A bot jumped on the article right away; the bot may have its uses, but it looks as though some human judgement is still required. I left messages for both the bot owner and the nominator for speedy deletion. Best, Tom Radulovich 02:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help with Cathy Waterman. I'm still learning my way around new page patrol and appreciate the fine distinction that you made -- I expect the page will still be deleted, but at least it will be for the right reasons. I appreciate your expertise. Accounting4Taste 02:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

A young girl from Honduras recently posted an article on "The Global Challenge Award" which was deleted. I had tried to also post one on the project, but was declared a shameless promotion since I am the Exec Dir. This young person was a participant. The program is one of a group of similar programs sponsored by the National Science Foundation that are trying to engage today's youth in solving global warming, through a program known as the ITEST program.

Could you guide me-her-us on whether any article concerning a US national effort of this sort would be as worthy of being included in wikipedia? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgibson (talkcontribs) 13:29, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

removing my name from El Sobrante

Hello,

Are you person who removed my name from the El Sobrante Art and Literature section?

If so, I would like to point out that my work has been published and exhibited internationally and reviewed in the New York Times and The Washington Post. I am the editor of an MIT Press book on New Media. I was the first artist in residence at Xerox Parc where I was a consultant in the field of electronic literature. My work is currently featured in Spain, and will be featured in the Iowa Review Web this year. I am a board member of the Electronic Literature Association, the former editor of the New York Foundation for the Arts online publication, and a former Associate Editor of Leonardo.

Given that I am an expert in my field, it is not against wiki policy to add my name.

Removing my name is vandalism.


Sincerely,

Judy Malloy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.205.237 (talk) 03:01, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Dude!

You wrote the "AWESOMEST" unblock decline message here! Hey can non admins decline unblock requests if it is obvious they can not be unblocked as that one? Please respond on my talk page. =D SLSB talkcontrib 18:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for lifting that. That is the second time that has happened. LOL Æon Insanity Now! 23:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries! I will just keep the unblock template handy. Æon Insanity Now! 00:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

More Thanks!

Thank you for restoring the information in the Kaunas article concerning the tragedy of the Jews during WWII. Dr. Dan 18:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Unblock

thanks for creating me an account. i do like it since you created me an account instead. i don't think i can trust the actual unblock emailGunrbotter2 09:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)