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Are there enough articles on Wikipedia to justify an Outline of badminton?

Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist 23:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation

As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:International badminton

It appears that User:Leeswoo00 did a bad cut and paste job from Template:International badminton to Template:International Badminton (with caps). Now some transclusions are completely broken as he blanked the original template after pasting it to the new title. I recommend that the original is restored and that Template:International Badminton is redirected to the original. Otherwise, you will require an administrator to combine histories etc.

This is something you really need to sort out as soon as possible! Take care. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 17:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Sports Notability

There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Xenobot Mk V to tag articles in project scope and/or auto-assess unassessed articles

A request has been made at User:Xenobot/R#WP:BADM to tag & auto-assess articles in the scope of this project based on these categories and/or auto-assess the project's unassessed articles. This is to be done primarily to assist with the referencing of unreferenced Biographies of Living People.

To auto-assess, Xenobot Mk V (talk · contribs) looks for a {{stub}} template on the article, or inherits the class rating from other project banners (see here for further details).

Feel free to raise any questions or concerns regarding this process. The task will commence after 72 hours if there are no objections.

The-Pope (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

 Task complete. 636 edits. –xenotalk 03:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Your opinions and advice

A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. --Geneviève (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Badminton at the Olympics template

I posted the following message on the template talk page for the Template: Badminton at the Summer Olympics, but I am cross-posting it here because the other page can easily go unnoticed.

I noticed on the template that the 1972 Olympic appearance is referred to as a demonstration. The term traditionally used when referring to sports and events that are organized by an OCOG, but are not awarded official medals. However, the 1988 appearance is listed as an exhibition. I have never seen that terminology used anywhere related to non-official Olympic sports. Does anyone know of any official sources that can confirm the use of the work exhibition? Otherwise, the template should be changed to show demonstration for both 1972 and 1988.--SargentIV (talk) 20:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Also replied there: According to the Official Report (section 11.26), Four sports, namely table tennis, taekwondo, badminton and bowling, were newly added to the Olympic schedule for the first time in Seoul. Table tennis was an official sport, taekwondo was a demonstration sport, and badminton and bowling were exhibition sports. ... Olympic demonstration sports are eligible for the same status of the conduct of competitions as official sports, but the IOC is required to decide on whether competition schedules should be included in the official Games schedule. Exhibition sports are staged in ways much the same as demonstration sports, but their schedules are not added to the official Olympic schedule. For this reason, the adoption of an exhibition sport does not require the approval of the IOC. All the SLOOC was required to do was determine the exhibition sport and to report the decision to the IOC. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:10, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration

This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Super Series Tournament Brackets

Currently there is disagreement regarding which types of brackets are best suited for the badminton tournaments. For the past several years we have used these together: Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis3 Template:4TeamBracket-Tennis3-v2. However, there is a user who believes that Template:4TeamBracket-Tennis3-v2 Template:8TeamBracket-Tennis3 should be used together. Since constantly undoing edits is unproductive we need to come to a consensus regarding which format should be used.--MorrisIV (talk) 15:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Keep until the editor makes their case for the change from the consensus, per WP:BRD. Widefox; talk 15:57, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
What is best way to be manage, that is what I'm mean. If tournament is 64 players per event, i will find 4 sections is best way to be manage. Now we got 32 players, so 2 is simple. I also found only 8 sections in Grand Slam tournament which place 128 players. So, change to 4 sections is not a best option, also waste time to manage. Is not a race for who to win or interesting to read, but which is the best way to produce. --Aleenf1 16:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Medals Boxes

This isn't a problem, but it's something that should be addressed at some point. I believe we need to get a standard order regarding the Medals Boxes. believe that the most prestigious competitions be listed first and I'd like to reach an agreement on a descending order of badminton competitions. I propose that Medals Boxes be order like this:

  • Olympic Games
  • World Championships
  • Sudirman Cup
  • Thomas/Uber Cup
  • Continental Championships (Asian Games, All-Africa, European Championships, Pan-American Games)
  • Sub-continental (South Asian Games, South American Championships, Mediterranean Games)
  • Junior World Championships

I am undecided on the Commonwealth Games. I believe those medals should be listed either above or below the Continental Championships. I am also not sure about the Youth Olympics which could go with Junior competitions or closer to the top. --MorrisIV (talk) 05:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, Thomas/Uber Cup should be more priority than Sudirman Cup, because it is like a World Cup, Commonwealth Games is a global games, should above Continental Championships, while Sub-continental and Junior Championships, i don't it is necessary to list it. How about you? --Aleenf1 11:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't feel particularly strong either way regarding the order of the Thomas/Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup. (Although I do feel that the Sudirman Cup is a World Cup type event just with Mixed Team and not restricted by gender). Regarding the Commonwealth Games, it is a global competition, but like Continental Championships it's also exclusive, just politically exclusive rather than geographically exclusive. I agree that Sub-continental games don't need to be listed, but there are several medals boxes that do list them so I wanted to include their placement in this conversation.--MorrisIV (talk) 14:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
We want to see the significant coverage, which the importance of the tournament is a major consideration, for me just fine without sub-continental and junior championships. --Aleenf1 16:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

To go back to this, currently I think the medal table on Lee Chong Wei's page is ordered correctly. The Asian games 3rd because it's once every 4 years and outside of the world champs and Olympics its about the biggest title a player can obtain, I wouldn't equate it to the euro champs, that would be the Asian championships. I wouldn't bother with the sub continental and junior worlds but if they already exist then they can go at the bottom. Some pages have events such as super series and grand prix's listed in the medals table, I would suggest they should be moved to an achievements table in the main content. If we could get some sort of agreement I would be happy to edit some of the current pages and make sure future pages conform. Nines11 (talk) 03:22, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree that Super Series and Grand Prix medals should not be listed, those tournaments are far too regular.--MorrisIV (talk) 16:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I found an article that doesn't seem very encyclopedic

The article 2010 BWF World Championships – Men's Singles has only two complete sentences and a fragment in the introduction, and that segment is the only part functioning to give any information beyond the very detailed bracket that is much better suited to a site like ESPN. I believe this article either needs a lot more information or should get put on the AfD list. I posted this on here instead of the talk page there because it doesn't seem like its talk page would get much in terms of Wikipedian traffic. impinball (talk) 20:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

A normal tournament bracket of which you can find hundreds here on Wikipedia in many sports. Additional text is welcome on many pages, so feel free to add some. --Florentyna (talk) 08:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Tournament bracket and flag

Recently, we have a few conflicts about the manual of style for the coverage of tournament, such as tournament bracket and use of flag. Here is to gauge the opinion and hopefully to reach a final consensus even though we have discussed it before.

Bracket to consider:

Remember, in badminton, in Super Series, we have a maximum 32 players only while tourney such as World Championships could field a maximum of 64 players.

Next about flag, recently it is a conflict should the flag use to indicate the player nationality or even host nation of the tournament. Remember player register to play via member association. Should member association consider as nationality? Should the host nation worth to display flag in table or infobox?

Please give your opinion, many thanks! --Aleenf1 16:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Flag usage on sports articles

A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. Thanks. SFB 13:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Red-linked articles on the Wikipedia:Most-wanted_articles listing

Hi, I'm not familiar at all with your Project's notability guidelines, but, for some reason, at least a handful or so of the most commonly red-linked articles on the most recent (actually not so recent - it's from December 2013) listing of the "most wanted" articles on Wikipedia are badminton players. Could someone from your Project have a look at some of these names to see if they really need to be on Wikipedia? Thank you in advance. Guy1890 (talk) 05:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Guy, I think you'll find that this is a result of the decision of one editor to link every name in every list of badminton players, no matter how obscure. Badminton players from Malta, for example. See the discussion above. In most cases, I think it would not be possible to create an article, let alone one with information that is verifiable from reliable sources. Ground Zero | t 10:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Inconsistent Spelling of Names

There are several athletes whose names have inconsistent spellings. The reasons vary, but include: multiple transliterations of the same names, some athletes take English names which can confuse order, different editors have different preferences and/or sources.

The most prominent names I can think of are:

  • Tontowi Ahmad - BWF and Tournament Software have spelled his first name as 'Tantowi'.
  • Gideon Markus Fernaldi - The BWF lists Gideon as first, but when User:AssedL created his biography he placed Gideon last, the link currently redirects.
  • Aprilsasi Putri Lejarsar Variella - Every source I've seen has the preceding word order, but AssedL placed Variella first.
  • Lam Narissapat - That is the link to her biography, but all BWF sources list her as Narissapat Lam. I can't think of another Thai name that has been this inconsistent.
  • Bae Youn-joo - Her name was originally listed as 'Youn-joo', but now it's 'Yeon-ju'. I have only seen Korean names using the former spelling.
  • Ryan Agung Saputra - Every sources spells his name 'Ryan', but his Wikipedia page spells his first name as 'Rian'.
  • Gabrielle White - She recently married and sources are inconsistent as to whether or not she has taken the last name 'Adcock'.
  • The following names have traditional Eastern names, but the athletes have adopted English names which leads to an inconsistent listing for them. These are three examples, but there are more.
    • Hoo Vivian Kah Mun
    • Zhao Jiang Terry Yeo
    • Vanessa Yu Yan Neo--MorrisIV (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


Inconsistency (and also misspelling) of names in Tournament Software has created problems for user(s) not familiar with various naming systems. I think we should make a consensus about name displays. Here's some of my proposal:
  • For Chinese names with adopted English name, it depends of the player's nationality:
    • Hong Kong players like Alan Chan Yun Lung should be displayed as Chan Yun Lung. I remembered how BWF only listed the Chinese name only, before they recently started adding the English name to the profiles.
    • Singaporean players like Derek Wong Zi Liang should be displayed as Derek Wong (english-chinese surname format). I believe this is a common practice for English commentators in Singaporean TV.
    • Malaysian players like Vivian Hoo Kah Mun doesn't need any changes. (Use the common English-Chinese surname-Chinese given name format)
  • Korean names have gone several romanization changes and became confusing. I think with should (if possible) keep with Revised Romanization of Korean format. If they have already Wiki pages with other formats, I believe we should follow them.
Example: Jang Ye-na is now referred as Chang Ye-na in BWF websites, this is due to change of the romanization of "ㅈ" from "ch" to "j". Actually it should be "j" but now South Koreans mixed it.
  • Indonesian with no surnames will be displayed in Tournament Software with their first name repeated. In this case, we should only display it once. To make it even more confusing, Indonesian sometimes adopt their parent's first name as the surname, but it is not used in official documents like passports.
Example: Apriani Apriani (it should be Apriani) Griff88 (talk) 12:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I agree with your proposals regarding Hong Kong, Malaysian, and South Korean names. I definitely believe we should keep South Korean names as they are. I don't get the impression that this change is transliteration is permanent and it would be incredibly time consuming to go back and change every name. Not to mention the numerous re-directs that would result.--MorrisIV (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
About the South Korean name issue, I believe Wikipedia has used two kinds of romanization. The first one is the older version (Example: Bang Soo-hyun → Bang Su-hyeon in newer / RR format) and the newer one which is often used for younger generation atheletes (Example: Yoo Yeon-seong → Yoo Yun-sung in older format). After some thought, I feel we don't need to change the newer format to older and vice-versa, but we need to check which one is more often used for new Korean athletes page in other sources because of the inconsistency of BWF Tournament Software and Korean names itself. I used Jang Ye-na's name as example because she's quite notable and it also became a question in a social media discussion. Griff88 (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Re-organize the Badminton at the .... Summer Olympics page

The page for badminton at the 1996 and 2000 Summer Olympics are not following the standard like the one in 1992 or the 2004. Complete results of the competition were listed in tables instead of the bracket template. I am planning to move the results to a new event page (to follow the standard and clean it) but I'm concerned about sentences which highlighted the match. Should those sentences also moved to the new page(s) or just delete them? Thank you for your response. Griff88 (talk) 04:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that. It's been on my to-do list for quite some time. I like the templates that have been used for the 2008 and 2012 Olympics. If the written accounts of the tournament fit the style of later pages then use them, but feel free to restate anything in your own words as you see fit.--MorrisIV (talk) 12:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Taipei Open 2015 GPG

At the 2015 BWF Grand Prix Gold and Grand Prix page, I found that there are two Taipei Open Grand Prix. I think the last one (Sep 22-27) doesn't exist but I need someone to also verify about this issue. Thanks. Griff88 (talk) 12:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Griff88, it does exist but the date have been moved to Oct 13-18 (see reference). It is a Grand Prix tournament, the other one in July is a Grand Prix Gold torunament. MbahGondrong (talk) 20:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes to the graphics for Template: Medal

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Title of tournament in Super Series and Grand Prix tournament

One anon IP keep rolling on the title of Super Series tournament, as this revision. The question is does we need to keep clarify the title, e.g. "All England Super Series Premier" or "All England Open"? --Aleenf1 14:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, another question is should we follow BWF title as "Superseries" or our "Super Series"? --Aleenf1 14:31, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I believe we should use Super Series.--MorrisIV (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
One anon IP keep revert on this, and seems no intend to discuss the issue. --Aleenf1 14:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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"Super Series" or "Superseries" + tournament title "All England Open" or "All England Super Series Premier"?

POV require for this two issue, your comment is appreciated. Thanks. --Aleenf1 14:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I think each individual tournament's page (i.e. 2014, 2015, 2016) should be titled the All England Super Series with Premier added for any applicable year. But the main page for the tournament itself should be the All England Open. I recognize that is at first glance inconsistent, but the tournament dates back to 1910 while the Super Series and Premier designations are very recent.--MorrisIV (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Suggestion from MorrisIV is the best solution for this issue I believe. BWF tournaments' status can be changed in any time (Australian Open for example, from a Grand Prix to Super Series) so we should name each year with its respective status and leave the tournament main page with the original name. Should BWF create another tournament level with higher status than Super Series Premier, we will just need to change the name of the applicable tournament year(s). I think a WikiProject Badminton MoS is needed now to prevent future issues like this. Griff88 (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Need for three more articles on tournament categories.

Addition of the following three articles will help in properly categorizing all of the international badminton events:

a) BWF events: There's a need of an article on the BWF events, which discusses & categorizes all of the individual/team events organized by BWF.

b) Continental Championships (badminton): There are articles on different badminton Continental Championships around the world. But there's a need for a parent article, which list all of those CC events at one place along with mentioning their BWF grading in the relevant cases.

c) Invitation Tournaments (badminton): This article will complete the list of all categories.

PS: The main purpose of this talk is to make consensus that whether we actually need these three new articles or not.

Not worth to create it. For first two is already listed in governing body article, so that is no necessary to make another article for it. --Aleenf1 14:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Ok. I will add the piped links of those sections of the article in the above color code table. But I believe that section on BWF tournaments needs to be much more comprehensive. e.g. just take a glance at the events organised by the BWF. I have listed some of them on the project page under the color code section. And that list isn't complete as I haven't listed the junior circuit BWF events. So, clearly BWF organizes more than six events.-NitinMlk (talk) 14:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
In fact, I just found out that the section on the BWF page is just listing the Continental federations rather than listing the Continental Championships. So, that section won't serve the purpose here.-NitinMlk (talk) 14:38, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
BWF events are already written in the BWF page. Each detail can be found in the respective pages (so we do not need a seperate page). I think we can just simply add the continental championships in BWF page. The only we need is the page which list the BWF sanctioned invitation tournaments. Griff88 (talk) 11:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Earlier I also used to think that BWF events constitute only the six flagship events which are listed on its page. But then I checked the grading of various tournaments - BWF World Rankings: Tournaments - and found out that the continents' major team Championships & badminton events at major tournaments like Asian Games & Commonwealth Games are also graded as BWF events. So, that's why I suggested expansion of the BWF tournament section.
There's a need to list all of these other BWF events in the BWF tournament section. So, one might add a couple of subsections in the tournament section, which list the relevant Continental Team Championships & games like Asian/Commonwealth Games. BTW, in addition to the six major events, here's the partial list of those events which are graded as 'BWF event':
BWF Individual Events: Asian Games & Commonwealth Games.
BWF Team Events: Commonwealth Games - Mixed Team Event, European Men's and Women's Team Badminton Championships, European Mixed Team Badminton Championships, African Continental Championships (Team event), Oceania Mixed Team Championships, Pan American Badminton Championships (Team event) & African Badminton Cup of Nations (Team Event).-NitinMlk (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Standardizing the color code for BWF tournaments

To make it easier for readers & to avoid edit-warring, it's important to have a standard color code for different BWF-sanctioned events. e.g. here is my suggested color code, which is based on the BWF's different levels & ranking points:

S. No. Tournament category Color Code
1 BWF Event FFD700
2 Super Series Premier/Finals 8CD84E
3 Super Series 98FB98
4 Grand Prix Gold FFFF67
5 Grand Prix 00FFFF
6 International Challenge C6AEFF
7 International Series D5D5D5
8 Future Series E9E9E9
9 Multi-sport event FFB069
10 Continental Championships CDFFF4
11 Invitation Tournament FFE0AF
  BWF Event
  Super Series Premier/Finals
  Super Series
  Grand Prix Gold
  Grand Prix
  International Challenge
  International Series
  Future Series
  Multi-sport event
  Continental Championships
  Invitation Tournament

PS: Tournaments with same ranking points are categorized together.

In fact, the other editors can suggest color codes of their choice. But there should be a standard regarding it. And that's the main point.

BTW, there's a user named Nardisoero, who is doing disruptive edits to the badminton articles. Here's an example of one of his recent edits to an article: a) Older version; b) Nardisoero's version. And here's the latest example: Wang Zhengming. So, the concerned members here might want to look at his other edits, although I have posted a message to him regarding it today.-NitinMlk (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions, i think you might want to see 2015 BWF Season as well, the key area. Is the change is wil affect lot of article? --Aleenf1 12:56, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
It will surely affect many articles in the starting. But after that there will be a uniformity. And there will be a standard for future editors to follow. As of now, most badminton players' articles are either stubs or messed-up anyway. In any case, we have to set a standard color code to bring some sort of order. BTW, what can you do about Nardisoero? His edits are an example of side-effects of not having a standard color code and a standard way of representing players' titles.-NitinMlk (talk) 13:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
This chart does not include competitions like the Sudirman Cup, Uber/Thomas Cup, Commonwealth Games, and other regional championships.--MorrisIV (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Firstly, Sudirman Cup, Uber Cup & Thomas Cup are BWF events. And they are graded by BWF alongside Olympics & World Championships. The team events won't find place in players' record of individual titles & they will appear only in their info-boxes, where color code isn't needed. But in other articles they should be listed as BWF events & there by the first box - viz.   BWF Event - will take care of them.
Secondly, to my surprise, Asian Games & Commonwealth Games are graded as BWF events & categorized as 'Multisports event'. But I think generally 'multisports' events aren't graded by BWF until they follow the BWF regulations, in which case they get graded as one of the already mentioned categories. e.g. Asian Games & Commonwealth Games (Mixed Team Event) are graded as BWF events, Asian Championships are graded as Superseries, European Championships are graded as Grand Prix Gold, Oceania Championships & Pan American Championships are graded as Grand Prix, African Championships are graded as International Challenge, etc. So, we can make one more category as 'Multisports event'. Similarly, there are World/European University Championships, which are also categorized as 'Multisports' events by BWF. But they aren't ranking events. So, a multisports event can be categorized as per BWF grading or as 'Multisports event' depending on the situation. Whereas a university event can be categorized as 'Multisports event' or can be left uncategorized.
Thirdly, there are two more categories, namely 'Continental Individual/Team Championship' & 'Invitation Tournament', under which tournaments like Copenhagen Masters fall.
Finally, I personally believe that BWF is the highest authority & if they aren't grading any event then we should also just leave it uncategorized. So, basically there are only eight grades, which are already listed by me. But for aesthetics, three more categories can be added, namely 'Multisports', 'CC Team Championship' & 'Invitation Tournament'. So, I am including them in the above table.
PS: I chose the above eleven shades on the basis of ease of their distinction from each other along with their affect on the legibility of the textual content.-NitinMlk (talk) 09:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I like those additions. I would suggest not using pink. It has become standard in Medals Boxes to shade an athletes result pink if they were subsequently disqualified for doping. Perhaps a different shade of green?--MorrisIV (talk) 12:28, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I replaced that color.-NitinMlk (talk) 13:24, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Today, I completely replaced pink shades from the table.-NitinMlk (talk) 11:37, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
This should be write into project page for guideline reference. Not much point if leave in talk page only --Aleenf1 13:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
How much information do you think should be put on the project page? Does the above table alone suffice? Or the other points regarding the grading that I pointed out here should also be put on there?-NitinMlk (talk) 13:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I believe that, along with listing the above table on the project page, we should also give the editors advice to check the BWF grading of the tournament from this page: BWF World Rankings: Tournaments. And if the tournament isn't listed on this page, i.e. it isn't graded by the BWF, then they should check this page: Tournament Calendar. And put the tournament under relevant category accordingly. BTW, these two links contain the grading/category of all tournaments organized since 2009.-NitinMlk (talk) 14:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Neat and tidiness always is the key to present the guideline. Table and some explanation is necessary, plus other you might feel worthy. --Aleenf1 14:29, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Should I give it a go? Or one of the experienced members like you would like to do it? Should there be new section for it or should it be put under one of the existing sections of the project page?-NitinMlk (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Be bold, you can go ahead. --Aleenf1 14:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Ok. I will give it a try. In any case, you are there to improve/correct it later on.-NitinMlk (talk) 14:50, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I just added a relevant section on the project page. Please check, improve, expand & correct it!-NitinMlk (talk) 16:45, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I found that this color-coding system is suitable to make badminton player pages more organized and easier to understand. My question is: what should we do to pages which did not list the title with the style like in Saina Nehwal or Nguyen Tien Minh. (Mads Pieler Kolding page as example). Do we need to change the color too? Or, we should also change the achievement list style plus the color? Griff88 (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I think there should be uniformity in presenting players' titles & their color coding. So, we need to have a standard way of representing players' titles.
After checking different styles, I found that the titles are presented in the best way in articles like that of Saina's because that style gives clear picture of titles & runners-up. Whereas the tables where both titles & runners-up are presented together give a bit lesser clear picture. Some even use different shades for winner/runner-up columns in those tables which creates further confusion as colors are also used to segregate titles. But again we need consensus regarding it. The best thing as of now is that most articles on the badminton players are stubs. So, standard adopted at this stage will be easier to implement.-NitinMlk (talk) 12:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Never thought that selecting eleven distinctive shades can be challenging! I was also advised to avoid the pink shades as they are used for indicating doping ban. So, out of the remaining shades, I finally selected the above set. Please someone try them out in players' title tables & give me feedback.-NitinMlk (talk) 06:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
I will try to adopt the achievement style and color-coding schemes to some athlete biography pages. Starting from those who has only a few titles. Griff88 (talk) 11:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks!-NitinMlk (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
By the way, NitinMlk, can you name some pages that has used this new color-coding format? I need it to track which page has used the format. Griff88 (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Griff88, I haven't used it in any page as of now simply because I wanted feedback from other members like you. But as far as the format of title presentation is concerned, Saina's titles section is fine.
BTW, if you have time, I would suggest you to try the above color-coding along with title representation style on the Juliane Schenk's title section. That section need some work as titles are presented without grading in it. So, you can divide that section into 'Individual titles' & 'Individual runners-up' subsections along with trying the above color-coding. BTW, BWF World Rankings: Tournaments contains the grading information of all of the Juliane Schenk's titles & runners-up.-NitinMlk (talk) 11:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
NitinMlk, I tried to edit Juliane Schenk's achievements in my own sandbox. I believe we need some adjustment here... Since some of the colors are rather difficult to differ in first glance (SS vs SSP/SSF), I propose to create the shade with more contrast:
  BWF Event
  Super Series Premier/Finals
  Super Series
  Grand Prix Gold
  Grand Prix
  International Challenge
  International Series
  Future Series
  Multi-sport event
  Continental Championships
  Invitation Tournament

Griff88 (talk) 13:35, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Griff88, I wanted to keep the shades light & yet distinctive so that they won't destroy the viewers' reading experience. But, as they seem to be lesser distinctive to you, I will make changes to them. And I will try to make use of contrasting colors. I will revamp the above color scheme whenever I will get a bit of time tonight. BTW, your shades are distinctive but a bit strong. e.g.   makes text illegible but its lighter version can be used. Anyway, I will try to make the relevant changes tonight.-NitinMlk (talk) 15:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Griff88, I could only get some spare time today in which I chose some gaudy shades. :) I also included two shades similar to those suggested by you. I will further try to improve them whenever I will get time today.-NitinMlk (talk) 01:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Griff88, I've made few changes in the color-code table. Any suggestions for the further improvement?-NitinMlk (talk) 09:53, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi NitinMlk, I just saw the colors and yes... it is good. Good contrast and it is not too strong (which may reduce readers' experience). I will use this color-coding starting from the next athlete bio I am going to create. Thank you for your help :) Griff88 (talk) 10:17, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
In fact, thanks to you for guiding & supporting me. As I am new to Wikipedia, I will try to go through articles like MoS to learn a bit about editing. And hopefully will be able to make some meaningful contribution on this wonderful site.-NitinMlk (talk) 11:58, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
I made a major revamp, so anything wrong please point here. Thanks. --Aleenf1 06:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Aleen, there are few points regarding your edits:
1) BWF doesn't grade every tournament but they categorizes each one of them. And that might lead to confusion among the new editors. e.g. Tournament Calendar simply lists Badminton Asia Championships (2014) & Asian Games (2014) as Continental Championships & Multisports events respectively, which gives the impression that they were non-ranking tournaments. But BWF World Rankings: Tournaments actually tells you that these two were Grand Prix Gold & BWF events respectively.
And that was the reason I mentioned that "To check the grading of the tournament, editors are advised to visit this web page: BWF World Rankings: Tournaments. If the tournament is not listed on this web page, i.e. if it was not graded by the BWF, then they should check here: Tournament Calendar. And put the tournament under relevant category accordingly". But you replaced it with "Grading of each tournament, please refer to BWF World Rankings: Tournaments or Tournament Calendar websites". I think this will only lead to many events being wrongly put under the categories like Multi-sport event & Continental championship - in spite of them being graded by the BWF.
2) You replaced "Super Series Premier/Finals" with "Super Series Premier (Finals)" in the table. Now the '/' in the former indicates that either of the two events - SSP or SSF - has the Premier grading while '()' in the latter expression means that you are giving further details of the mentioned event, which will lead to the misconception that only SS Finals are Premier events.
3) Other than the above two points, there are some minor punctuation errors along with misplacement of a sentence. e.g. after "as follows" you put "." instead of ':'. And, instead of putting the table right after "as follows", you inserted a sentence. Similarly, there are minor grammatical errors in the last three sentences of the section.
Other than the above points, it seems fine.-NitinMlk (talk) 07:31, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Clarification regarding the purpose of two categories in the tournament color-code.

The sole purpose of the addition of the two categories, namely 'Continental championships' & 'Multi-sport event', was to cover a handful of far-flung non-ranking/ungraded events. Below I am listing a few of the BWF-sanctioned events for which I added these two categories:

a) BWF non-ranking CC events: Pan Am Individual Championships & European Club Championships.

b) BWF non-ranking Multi-sport events: SEA Games, Universiade, World University Championships, Natwest Island Games, European Games, Indian Ocean Island Games, European University Championships, European Universities Games, etc.

Please don't categorize prestigious graded events under these worthless categories. And if other members think that the above listed tournaments aren't even worth mentioning in the Wiki articles then I propose the removal of these two categories from the color-code table.-NitinMlk (talk) 13:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that CC events are being diversely graded by BWF depending upon the level of competitiveness/importance of them. e.g. 2014 Africa Individual Championships was International Series, 2015 African Continental Individual Championships was International Challenge, 2014 Pan American Badminton Championships was Grand Prix, 2014 European Championships was Grand Prix Gold, 2015 Asian Championships was Super Series & I think most of the CC Team events are graded as BWF events. So, it would be meaningless to categorize all of such diversely graded events under one category, namely 'Continental championships'. And this fact also applies to the graded Multi-sport events. So, the above two categories either should be reserved for the ungraded events or should be omitted from the color-code table.-NitinMlk (talk) 15:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

NitinMlk, now I clearly understand what do you mean with graded and categorized. While most of us here intended to categorize the events, your color codes are meant to grade the events. Well, this is a major confusion. Sorry about that. Personally, I want to categorize the events regardless of the grades (where the grades are about how much points the events give). I think that if we list the events (or career achievements) by grades, I believe that most readers will be confused.
Meanwhile, BWF is also a bit inconsistent in grading the events and that's why I propose to keep any CC events inside its own category.Griff88 (talk) 07:50, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Griff88, although I totally understand your point but I believe grading gives the best possible information about the event's competitiveness along with its importance on the international circuit. e.g. Olympics is categorized by the BWF as a "Multisports" event but it's BWF's major event. And categorizing it as "Multisports" event won't do justice.
Having said that, I have no problem in following whatever you & other members decide. But reach to a consensus with other experienced members like Aleen & MorrisIV or whoever is knowledgeable here. And also make consensus regarding the usage of 'Multi-sport event' category.-NitinMlk (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Griff88, I think you are correct that readers will be confused when they see the CC/multi-sport events being highlighted by different grades. So, it's better to keep them in the CC/multi-sport category only. And readers can check the grading info of any particular CC/multi-sport event from its parent article.
Finally, I just want to make sure that what you all members here want is to put all CC events under the 'Continental championships' category. And, leaving behind Olympics (which to be highlighted as a 'BWF event'), all multi-sport events to be put under the 'Multi-sport event' category. Right?-NitinMlk (talk) 07:22, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. I will wait for confirmation from other users like Aleen or MorrisIV regarding this issue. In the meantime, we should not alter any competition categories from any athlete biography pages. Griff88 (talk) 08:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Griff88, it seems that nobody cares!-NitinMlk (talk) 05:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Please see this doc, then you should know how to decide. --Aleenf1 12:13, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
NitinMlk, I looked again at BWF Calendar and they list 2016 Olympics as Multi sport events category. I think the "grading" (please refer to my previous replies) can be used instead of "categories", as long we have an explanation in a page (BWF World Ranking page would be suitable). And also, if a curious reader have the same point as me, we can add a link to the explanation from any athlete's achievements. It can also act as a preventive way to avoid edit wars with some editors. But first, we need a consensus to use "grading" or "category".... Griff88 (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Griff88 & Aleen, Firstly, I want to clarify that there isn't confusion with any event other than CC/Multi-sport events. If members here want to mark the events according to their BWF grading - which I also wanted from the very beginning - then the two categories, namely   Multi-sport event &   Continental Championships will become redundant. And these two categories can be conveniently replaced by a single category - namely   Non-Ranking event - which will take care of the non-ranking/ungraded events that I mentioned in the starting of this thread.
Only minor challenge in grading comes from the fact that BWF grades Asian Games & Commonwealth Games as BWF events. So, we have to specifically mention in the BWF's "Tournaments" section that, other than six major/flagship events, BWF also grades Asian Games, Commonwealth Games & major CC Team events as 'BWF event'. To put it simply, we have to make a separate subsection in the BWF's "Tournaments" section, which lists all those individual events & CC Team events which are graded as 'BWF event'.-NitinMlk (talk) 07:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Alright then. Let's do that NitinMlk. Griff88 (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Griff88, shouldn't we wait for the other members' opinion? You understood my point but it seems that the other members are a bit confused. So, I want to clarify to them that if we categorize the events then it will only make things unclear & the title table of the player won't tell the significance of his/her titles straightaway. That's because all the ranking & non-ranking CC/Multi-sport events will be categorized together. e.g. Asian Games will be categorized along with non-ranking Multi-sport events like Universiade, SEA Games, SA Games, etc. So, readers will have to visit & carefully read the parent articles of the respective events to know their importance on the international circuit.
But if we use grading approach then readers will know the concerned player's potential by having a single glance at the title table. e.g. a lot of gold and/or green shades in the title table will indicate that the concerned player is one of the top players in the world. The grading approach will also be in line with the BWF's approach as they are grading every event very carefully in their new ranking system since 2007.
BTW, if we use grading approach then the last three categories, namely "Multi-sport event", "Continental championships" & "Invitation tournament", will become redundant & they will be replaced by a single category - 'Non-Ranking event'.
Aleen, what's your opinion regarding this matter?-NitinMlk (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

European Junior Badminton Championships

After some thought, I think the "best nation" column in the European Junior Badminton Championships page is rather useless. Why don't we list the forgotten winners of the team championship events instead? Any suggestion or comments regarding this? Thanks for your answers. Griff88 (talk) 13:26, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Notability

Hi all, I want to know is there any agreed requirements that could make a player notable for a Wikipedia article? MbahGondrong (talk) 10:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, MbahGondrong. Yes of course, there are currently five notability criteria per WP:NBADMINTON:
1. Participation at the Olympic Games, or World Championships,
2. Competed in the quarter finals at a tournament of the highest level outside of the Olympics or World Championships (e.g. Continental Championships, BWF Super Series or Commonwealth Games) in teams or singles or doubles competitions.
3. Medalist at the highest international teams or singles/doubles championships of a country (e.g. Canadian Open, German Open, Slovak International).
4. Medalist at tournaments of the BWF Grand Prix Gold and Grand Prix.
5. Gold medalist at a national teams or singles/doubles championship, for countries that regularly send athletes to the Olympics. Griff88 (talk) 12:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Does medalist in point 3 and 4 covers only winners or also runners-up? Thanks for the swift response. :) MbahGondrong (talk) 12:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the term "medalist" in this context means the winners and also the runners-up. Basically all red-linked players in any year BWF Superseries and BWF Grand Prix Gold and Grand Prix are already notable. Lot of players in 2014 BWF Season, 2015 BWF Season, and 2016 BWF Season also fulfilled the criteria of notability. Just take caution with countries which host many tournaments with different level :) Griff88 (talk) 02:02, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

2009 European Junior Badminton Championships

I think the article of 2009 European Junior Badminton Championships irrelevant with the result. This article talking about European U17 Championships 2009. U17 result and Junior Champs. --Stvbastian (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Article alerts?

Just wondering if anyone here is interested in having an Article alerts added to this WikiProject? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)please ping me

I support having Article Alerts.--MorrisIV (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I support too, wish project growth. --Aleenf1 14:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Support. It will be useful. Griff88 (talk) 08:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Support – Lack of presence of the experienced users at the badminton-related AfDs recently forced me to participate in a couple of them. In fact, one of them is still active. So, I guess Article Alerts is good as it might increase the participation in such discussions from here. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:10, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Notability question

Would somebody from WP:BADM mind taking a look at Lee Zii Jia, Tan Yip Jiun and Wong Fai Yin to assess whether they satisfy WP:NBADMINTON? These are new articles/stub recently created within the past day or so by a new editor. At first glance, they do not look as if they would pass WP:GNG, but they might meet the guidelines for badminton players. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Description of "Record against selected opponents"

CONSENSUS ESTABLISHED
People have voted in favour of the proposal, with a few possible abstentions and zero opposes. I am therefore marking this as closed. Timothytyy (talk) 06:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There are a lot of articles' "Record against selected opponents" which has a description of: "Record against Year-end Finals finalists, World Championships semi finalists, and Olympic quarter finalists" (e.g. Shi Yuqi, Zhao Junpeng and Anthony Sinisuka Ginting). However, according to Cambridge Dictionary, Collins and here in the section "Is semifinalist one word or two?", the proper spelling of "semi finalist" is "semi-finalist" (or "semifinalist"), while "semi finalist" is just 1. an improper spelling way mainly used in Britain (according to Cambridge) or 2. wrong (according to Collins and fuenter.afphila.com). "Quarter-finalist" is also the same case (for verification: 1, 2 (there are no entries for "quarter finalist")).

Therefore, I am proposing to change all descriptions to "Record against Year-end Finals finalists, World Championships semi-finalists, and Olympic quarter-finalists", which is the same as the description in Chen Long, Saina Nehwal, etc. Zoglophie, Florentyna, Aleenf1, Yogwi21, Phenol123, Oahid, IssacT6, Stvbastian and Fahrurozi.86, please give your opinion on this. Thank you! Timothytyy (talk) 13:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

  1. Agree --Florentyna (talk) 13:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
ok i am agree with you Fahrurozi.86 (talk) 13:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Comments: Tournament bracket is "quarter-finals", "semi-finals", so shouldn't distinctive here. --Aleenf1 14:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. zoglophie 15:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Support. Semi/quarter with the dash is the right way to write in English. Oahid (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Support. Well supported by other notable sources. issac, (my talk page 🗣) 13:27, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

As no one opposes this change, I will start changing the description in articles now. It would be nice if you can help out too. If Yogwi21, Phenol123 or anyone objects this change, please reply here.

As per Aleenf1, the correct spelling of semi/quarter-final(ist) is not only applicable for the proposal we are discussing, but also for other places, such as the players' career section. Please help modify those. Thank you for your cooperation! Timothytyy (talk) 07:29, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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