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Template:Samata Party/meta/color[edit]

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. This template family has already been dealt with. Discussion of naming and values can be dealt with at the module talk page. Primefac (talk) 08:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Samata Party/meta/color with Template:Samta Party/meta/color.
The two templates are redundant, and we should use the Samta spelling as that is the spelling used on the article. YttriumShrew (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I think this merge proposal may be in the wrong direction. All of the sources linked from Samta Party, including an Indian government official election results pdf (archived version of reference 11), refer to the party as the "Samata Party", not the "Samta Party". The article should probably be moved to the former name, and "Samta" should be redirected to "Samata" in both cases. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Another bit of rearranging of the deck chairs on the Titanic. The entire political party template system is on its way out per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 August 26#Political shortname and color templates, and therefore there is no value to fiddling with it. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Gethelp[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded template with a link to the creator's talk page. Should have been created in user space. Creator has only 18 edits in the last 8 years, and none in the last year, so there is little likelihood of this template being used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Getpar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:10, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded, no incoming links, no documentation. Appears to be an abandoned experiment. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Microsoft Outlook and more locally-replaced software templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused; replaced in relevant article with lower-maintenance local data. Relevant articles are GNU Bazaar, Hugin (software), Microsoft Outlook, Media Composer, Mozart the music processor, Netscape Navigator 9, Openfiler, Quiet Internet Pager, UltimateDefrag, HexChat, YAML (framework). – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:23, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Xoops[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused; superseded by {{Ikiwiki version}}, {{TWiki version}}, {{XOOPS version}}. I don't think a non-standard version of this template is a better idea, but they work, so these unused templates can at least be deleted or redirected. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2021 T20 World Cup Teams[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Un-used template. Couldn't see an obvious category at WP:CSD, so brought it here. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:21, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Rational Team Concert[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused; target article has been merged into Rational Software, where there is no longer software release data. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Tar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded; vague content was blanked after being replaced with local text at tar (computing). No potential for future use, since there is no specific version numbering to track. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/JACK Audio Connection Kit[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded, blanked after being replaced by {{multiple releases}} within JACK Audio Connection Kit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Google Chrome for Android[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded template that has been blanked following the merge of Google Chrome for Android into Google Chrome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Archive Utility[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, links to small section of List of macOS components, where infoboxes that would use this template are not used. No chance of this template being used in an article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/Apache OpenOffice Writer[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded, links to the wrong article. Apache OpenOffice, the most relevant article, does not have specific software release information for each component. No chance of future use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:The Andy Griffith Show[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Mayberry. Izno (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With the exception of 2 episode articles, everything in this template is also in {{Mayberry}}. It is no longer in use, and had only been on about half the articles listed in the template to begin with; whereas nearly all of the articles already used the Mayberry template. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Not enough for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - If the 2 episode article are not in Mayberry Template, this navbox should be kept. --Jax 0677 (talk) 09:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the two episodes links. Gonnym (talk) 06:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Latest stable software release/AOL Instant Messenger[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused; software is for a service that has been discontinued, so there is no longer a current stable version. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Latest stable software release/ALZip and more wikidata-replaced software templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded and abandoned "latest software release" templates, replaced in the relevant article by {{wikidata}}, which appears to be the direction that software articles are moving. No chance of future use; destined to become out of date. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Foreigncopyrighttop[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untranscluded. Appears to be an abandoned experiment from 2006. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:WikiProject Fungi Collaboration[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 November 24. Izno (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PermissionOTRS/Embedded[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused subpage orphaned after page move. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:24, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox National Hockey League coach[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox ice hockey player. Primefac (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox National Hockey League coach with Template:Infobox ice hockey player.
Per previous discussions at WT:HOCKEY, including here and here, it seems generally agreed upon that this infobox is unnecessarily cluttered and redundant, and a more concise solution might be to include optional coaching/management fields into Template:Infobox ice hockey player, similar (but not exactly) like the equivalent templates for NFL, college players and MLB players. Listing here to generate some further discussion towards a workable solution. Connormah (talk) 16:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:50, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Unless a coach was a player previous, that makes sense because of the name of the infobox. If the coach was never a player, it seems redundant. If it does get mergedm a slight renaming of the infobox would be beneficial. But that makes the task of switching the name of the infobox to the new name in each player article tedious. It could or maybe would also make switching infoboxes in coach articles tedious. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:42, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe there are (possibly) bots and WP:AWB to take care of any cleanup afterwards; there have been no doubt larger or more drastic merges than this one, I believe, and I don't think renaming will have any widespread effect if a redirect remains. Every single current NHL coach and/or GM (I can maybe think of 2 managers off the top of my head who are not) are former players, so not sure that will be an issue either. Connormah (talk) 08:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To further the previous point, I believe Ken Hitchcock falls into that category. If the pages are merged there will probably need to be a small adjustment made, such as not displaying a playing career in the infobox if no information is entered into the fields. So long as pages like that one aren't harmed by a merge I can't see anything else that would be an obstacle. PensRule11385 (talk) 23:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PensRule11385 - Yes, I think there are few enough cases like Hitchcock (Herb Brooks, Roger Neilson and Pat Burns are other notable ones) that it shouldn't be a problem to manually clean those up. Connormah (talk) 21:08, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have done a mockup at Template:Infobox ice hockey player/testcases#Coach. (it is the middle one). It takes into account if they were players or not and merges in all the information we said we wanted from the previous discussions. It can always be updated and tweaked more going forward. But I think it looks pretty good and matches the look we already have for the current player infobox. Feel free to comment over at WT:HOCKEY if you have any other ides for how it should look so we don't clutter up this discussion with non-merge related discussion. There are less than 250 pages using the coach template at the moment so moving them all manually wouldn't be too hard and I can take care of it easy enough. -DJSasso (talk) 13:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. I always wondered why there are two separate infoboxes for that when Template:Infobox basketball biography and other mentioned infoboxes combine both playing and head coaching stints (I believe baseball infobox also combines executive stints). – Sabbatino (talk) 19:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it was a remnant from the very early days of Wikipedia where we said that player boxes should be used if they were players as that was the source of their initial notability and then non-players should just use the person infobox or no infobox. And one day someone created a coach one without it ever being discussed at the hockey project where we likely would have just expanded the current one to include coaches. But once one was created I think inertia set in and we just kept using it. -DJSasso (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:OTRS source[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. Basically, if this turns out to be used for something and it's not just an overlooked old template, then there's no issue with a refund. Primefac (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This template seems to have been created for a non-existent OTRS process. The idea was that if you were tagging an image as {{OTRS received}}, but didn't know the ticket number, you could use this as a placeholder.

But that is not the correct process - only OTRS volunteers should be tagging images with {{OTRS received}} or another similar template, and they will know the correct ticket number.

So this template is for an incorrect process and thus should be deleted.

(There was a recent TFD where this template was nominated along with two other completely unrelated templates, but did not get any actual consideration on its own.) B (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:DYK error[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used since creation. Did Q28 make a mess today? 09:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:50, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this is still used via substitution at Module:NewDYKnomination to display an error message if someone tries to pass an invalid title to {{NewDYKnomination}}. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 01:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Is the template only used in that module? If so, why not directly use {{error|1={{{1}}}}}[[Category:Wikipedia Did you know nominations with errors]] there? Gonnym (talk) 08:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gonnym: That would work, yes, but it means that you would be putting all of that code directly on the DYK nomination page. This would inevitably lead to users deleting the error message but not the category (or vice versa) when they try to clean things up. Having a layer of indirection via the template makes things simpler on the nomination page, which means less chance of user error. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 06:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mr. Stradivarius I've tried causing {{NewDYKnomination}} to produce that error and have failed (did manage to break the module when passing |image=# to it, but that didn't produce the above error). Can you please edit a sandbox and show me how it looks? Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gonnym: You can get it to appear with something like {{subst:NewDYKnomination|article=Foo<>}}. (Angle brackets are not allowed in Wikipedia page titles.) You can see the results of that invocation at Special:Permalink/1055869208. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:41, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. So the template isn't substituted like you mentioned before but actually transcluded when the error happens. That's a different scenario now. If the module just added the error category then a user cannot remove the category without fixing the error. They can't also fix the error and leave the category as that is automatically applied. However, I guess if you want to have the template "in your face" then that's also a system that can work. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, yes, I should have worded that more clearly. It is {{NewDYKnomination}} that is substituted, not {{DYK error}} itself. By "in your face" I assume you mean that it displays an error message? I think this is generally a good idea, as it prods editors creating a DYK nomination to fix their own mistakes with the template syntax, rather than leaving it to other editors to monitor the error category. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 11:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I meant actually having the error template (DYK error) appear in wikitext. The error message and category can be achieved in one of several ways, depending on how you want it to appear. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Given the above, I have marked this template with {{transclusionless}} so that it won't appear on unused template reports. This TFD should be closed as Keep. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:05, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Mr. Stradivarius. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional merge and delete. If the template is only called from Module:NewDYKnomination, as it seems to be, then there really is no need for the module to call the template, when the template is a single line which could (and should) be used directly in the module. Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The template isn't substituted so kinda "meh" at this point. --Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Gonnym. --Izno (talk) 06:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Gonnym; it is perfectly reasonable to have modules putting things in categories without using a template as an extra layer of redirection. User:GKFXtalk 19:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @GKFX: If Module:NewDYKnomination were being transcluded, I would wholeheartedly agree with this statement, and in such a case I would likely have not created {{DYK error}}. When transcluding a module, the most natural thing to do is to include the category directly inside the module code. However, Module:NewDYKnomination is not transcluded, but substituted, which means that some kind of wikitext necessarily needs to end up on the DYK nomination page. To add an error category, the choice is basically between putting the category directly on the nomination page ({{error|Some error message}}[[Category:Some error category]]) or the current strategy of putting the category in a template and putting the template on the nomination page ({{DYK error|Some error message}}). I chose the latter approach because then it is less likely for users to delete only the error message but keep the category, which in turn makes cleaning up these errors easier for editors who monitor the error category. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 07:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I trust that if there were a better way to do it, Mr. Stradivarius would implement it. It sounds like this is the best solution at the moment. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Autodate[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, this template has been abandoned. Did Q28 make a mess today? 09:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:AfD Log[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete per Pppery. ✗plicit 11:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It should be scrapped. Did Q28 make a mess today? 08:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither delete !vote above actually gives any argument for deletion other than an IDONTLIKEIT, so I would be justified in closing this as speedy keep per WP:SK#1. Instead I'll actually provide a proper rationale for deletion: this was created as a test before proposing a process change, and either the test has failed or the process change never happened since this template has never been used anywhere, either directly or as a substitution. Please provide proper arguments, rather than bare assertions without evidence. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Clarify radiocarbon calibration in section[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:31, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overly specific clarification that doesn't seem like it will ever come into use. Just use {{clarify}} Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Cite ccgll[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused citation template for a single website Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:53, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chocolate Factory track listing[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:53, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox American State Political Party[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox political party. Izno (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox American State Political Party with Template:Infobox political party.
WP:TFD#REASONS #2, WP:INFOCOL. Totally redundant with Template:Infobox political party. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I agree with nominator's comment. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Clearly redundant. YttriumShrew (talk) 20:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. --Grnrchst (talk) 20:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I personally believe, it is important and good to have one well-working infobox-template, for all possible cases in articles, that's why I Agree with the proposal. --Koreanovsky (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Why did we ever have a separate US State Party infobox This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – There is no reason to have two infoboxes for what is essentially the same thing. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 05:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Chilean Special Forces[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, almost all redlink Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chairmen of the United Development Party[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, doesn't seem a notable enough position to navigate by Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chaos and Creation in the Backyard tracks[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused tracklist template Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Charles II via Charles Lennox to Prince William[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, not a format that can be usable Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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