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Kyshtym disaster

Stale

– – Joe (talk) 14:19, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Article(s): Kyshtym disaster
Request: English map, please… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

What do you want translated? Replacing "Russland" by "Russia" would be easy. But changing the transliteration of all the placenames from German to English really doesn't seem worth the bother. Maproom (talk) 08:46, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Maproom: I think it's worthwhile to change the transliterations, as it is not obvious to English speakers that e.g. "w" is going to be "v". Additionally, there is more German text than just "Russland". I can provide all the English transliterations etc if that would make it easier for you. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 07:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Map of the Afsharid Empire at its greatest extent (1741-1743)

Resolved

– LouisAragon (talk) 16:10, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

The Afsharid Persian Empire at its greatest extent in 1741-1743 under Nader Shah.

Article(s)

Afsharid dynasty

Request

Hi. Please change "Safavid Empire" (down left on the image) into "Afsharid Empire", and change the date "1501-1736 (AD)" into "1736-1796" (AD)". Thanks. -- LouisAragon (talk) 14:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Maproom: you made a minor typo. It reads "Asharid" instead of "Afsharid"... ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 14:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that. I'll fix it soon. Maproom (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry - I still haven't found time. Tomorrow morning, I hope. Maproom (talk) 18:12, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Done. Maproom (talk) 12:06, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)

Done. Maproom (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Districts of Somalia

PNG map of regions and districts of Somalia

Article(s): Administrative divisions of Somalia (and each article concerning districts of Somalia)

Request

Hi, I need a "blank map" to realize a map for each district in its own region. --151 cp (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

151 cp, this looks like what we normally consider to be a blank map. Could you describe in more detail what you need? Nyttend (talk) 02:12, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

A map which I could modify using Microsoft Paint for all districts: borders are not very clear in that map, so I can't color all the area of each district in an accurate way (flood fill). For example, a map as this, where borders are "well defined". --151 cp (talk) 02:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

What happens when you try to fill districts? I just downloaded it, opened it in Paint, and colored several random districts with random colors; they all colored just as expected. I'm running Windows 10 with its appropriate edition of Paint. Nyttend (talk) 03:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

If your software simply won't fill properly, feel free to give me a diagram matching districts and names, and I'll be willing to make and upload the 90 maps; it won't be hard for me. Probably the easiest option would be for you to download the map, put a number on each district, and upload the result, and then put it in a userspace page with a chart saying what number is what district. Nyttend (talk) 03:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Districts locator map for Perak

Article(s): Hulu Perak District; Kinta District and 10 more
Request: I would like to ask somebody to do a favor to create a district locator map for that 12 districts by refering this angys (Talk Talk) 06:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

Baroda and States of Western India and Gujarat (1943-1947)

Source: https://revisitingindia.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1947guje.gif

Article(s): Will be helpful in more than 200 articles in en:w:Category:Princely states of Gujarat as well as in many history related articles.

Request: The map is very complex. Several maps needs to be created from this. One with all the names and captions and one blank map without names. Need to be created in SVG. There two maps in inset. They needs to be created separately as well as with the main map (as in the image). --Nizil (talk) 05:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)

@Nizil Shah: I could help you with this but first I have two questions;

Will you be available to help me and give me feedback during this work, because I zero knowledge of this?
Is the gif-file you give as a source free to use as source?

Please ping me. --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, thank you for your help. I will be there to answer your queries almost everyday and I have a fair knowledge of basic history of Gujarat state of India, the region depicted in the map. The original source of gif-file is unknown and the link is from blog: https://revisitingindia.com/2013/08/28/accession-of-junagadh-farce-of-history/ As far as I know, creating a totally new map based on information provided by other maps would not violate copyright. I don't think that it is copyleft/free licensed map (else I had uploaded it on Commons). I have already requested multiple maps (SVG with names+colors, blank SVG, two maps from inset with names+colors, two blank maps from inset) based on that gif map. As much as I can verify (from lot of other maps), the map is accurate. Thank you again.--Nizil (talk) 04:34, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Request taken by Goran tek-en (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2017 (UTC).
As you are requesting several maps we have to divide this into different steps for me to manage it. Lets start with the blank map.

4 basic maps

A. blank map: no labels and no colour/white
B. blank map: no labels and with colors according to Wikimedia Commons map convention if possible(Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps/Conventions)
C. map: with labels and no colors/white
D. map: with labels and with colors according to Wikimedia Commons map convention if possible

Create This four maps first, forget about everything else for now. :) --Nizil (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

blank map

Tell me or show me which area the blank map should cover? --Goran tek-en (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Please go through Gujarat and agency articles for some overview. Feel free to question. My suggestion is below:--Nizil (talk) 14:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Whole Gujarat with all the princely states should be covered in blank map (all things in image in link except inset small maps). It should cover all boundaries and labels in link. All four map should have colour of ocean (Arabian Sea).--Nizil (talk) 14:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

We have two different versions of location map;

which is the correct to use?

Since 2013 is latest map. Use it for basic borders etc.

You write "blank map: no labels and no colour/white". A totally white map is not according to our standards so do you want it for some special thing?

I want total blank map for future uses like creating maps of each princely states etc.

Is not one of the location maps above the one you want for "blank map"? --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:,Location maps are just for reference. I want total new maps of Gujarat between 1820 and 1947. This are maps of Gujarat after 1947.-Nizil (talk) 17:22, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: I hope you don't think I ask/talk to much but this blank_base map is very important for the continued work. I don't know how much you know about working on maps in a svg program. One builds it up with many different layers that you later on can decide to make visible or not. So the blank_base map should include as much as possible of all the fixed information, borders, areas, rivers etc.

In such a map (blank_base) I would like to stick to the standards that we use for a location map, in that way it's easier for me to understand which information I have in that map. A white map is of no use for me as a map maker.

Now I have a draft for you to look at. This is based on the location map since 2013. But to me, that can not be correct in regards to the country, divisions (states), and subdivisions?

Do you want me to draw in all of the different colored areas in the big map from the gif-file instead?

If so, even the smallest colored areas?

If this is what you want I have to tell you that I will not be able to do this exactly as the two different maps are not exactly the same. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:41, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. I don't know how SVG images are created so pardon me.

I think it should have following layers: 1. Base layer which had coastal border of Gujarat, Sea etc geographical non changing information. 2. a layer with borders of all princely states in gif-file (including smallest one). [this is blank image which i said. So should be uploaded.] 3. a layer with names and titles of each princely states. [image with labels]

Another way I like to have is : 1.same as above 2. all princely states marked by different colors (as in gif-file) but without labels [colored image without label] 3. all princely states with colors and with labels. label layer can be copied from above image. [coloured image with label]

I think in black map you posted as draft do not need modern district borders etc. 2013 map is just for coastal border etc. Making maps of each princely state is not my demand. I want one map with all princely states like in gif-file but with/without colors and with/without label (4 versions). Hope this clarifies.--Nizil (talk) 12:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Yes I'm with you now. But there are many states and I have to separate area from border so it will take a while for me. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I can understand that its very complex and huge map. Take your time, no hurry. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to ask. I will be happy to answer. Thank you again for taking up this big map. :) -Nizil (talk) 18:56, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: If you look at this image you can see some red encircled areas. Within them there are either black or yellow dots. You can find those on several places of the map, different colors.

Are they extremely small areas or should I ignore all of them? --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Goran tek-en. Ignore them as places/small areas. Numbers marks the area/states associated with specific THANA (a group of states under one jurisdiction). Thana name is written near these states. So mark them with points or dots, when you label, to identify that these are under one Thana. My earlier interpretation was wrong but when I checked whole map, I understood. -Nizil (talk) 21:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now there is a draft for you to look at.
As this map is very complicated I probably has made several errors or misunderstandings. So check everything and give me feedback, thanks. This map will be used for all the others so it has to be right before we continue. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. Great work. I am very impressed by your map. You have done an exceptional job in tracing all the border. I have checked and all borders seem OK to me. I would like to point out two things: 1. How those "see enlargement"s will be handled? Will it be incorporated in the main map or separate boxes of "enlargement" will be drawn? 2. The areas in Cutch State, Morvi State and Nawanagar State some border-like lines which is actually used to mark marsh land of Rann of Kutch. This lines do not represent boders between states but border of marsh land. See maps in Great Rann of Kutch and Little Rann of Kutch which are two parts of Rann of Kutch for clarification. See File:Ecoregion IM0901.svg and Gulf of Kutch too. So how to mark them in map? Should these lines marking these salt marsh lands removed and make them part of the state? (It is done in File:India Gujarat location map.svg where, in Kutch district, the salt marsh lands are not marked.) Or mark them in different way? What Wikipedia's Map conventions say about it? Everything else seem OK and good to go.

. Regards,--Nizil (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: The draft you could see is of the main centre map in the gif file, see it as a base map.

Now you have to tell me map by map, step by step what you want for different maps, but only one at the time.

At this point I don't know which of the different insets you want or in which map. If you want them in the same map as the bigger on (base) I will put them there or we can make separete maps and in that case it's easier to make them large if necessary.

In this new draft (png version of the svg) I have marked the marsh (as I understand it) in a way so that the underlying color of the state will be visible thru the pattern. This is a pattern that is used to mark out marsh/wetlands. If they should be marked out (like this or in any other way) is mostly up to if you find them necessary/interesting for your map, it's up to your purpose of the maps. Give me feedback. --Goran tek-en (talk) 21:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. The marshlands are marked OK.

Just note that the northwest-most part of Cutch adjoining the border and sea is also marsh land so make it marshland too. Marking these marshland it important only because we can point that it is non-habitable land area and they are not sea. Please remove that international border between India and Pakistan and labels of India/Pakistan as Pakistan came into existence only after 1947 after partition of India and today's India formed after political integration of India after 1947. And please upload this blank base SVG and PNG maps too on Commons too.

I was asking: How those "see enlargement" of Pandu Mewas or Sankheda Mewas or Jetpur States etc will be handled?

Map 1: Let start with Kaira Agency map (easiest). Create separate Kaira Agency map with colour marking the Agency. The Kaira Agency is marked in inset map of OLD AGENCIES in inset map. See article on Kaira Agency too which had only one state, Cambay State. Will this maps created in SVG or PNG?--Nizil (talk) 06:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: All maps I create like this is made as svg. Then at commons png versions are created automatically.

Here is a new draft and in this I have added a "world map" so that one knows which area the map covers. For you it's obvious but not for most people, also a small legend. Tell me if you want them or not?

I will need the following;

Name of the file
Description
Category/ies at commons

to be able to upload it at commons. I'm writing more below in section "1". --Goran tek-en (talk) 21:40, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Map 1: Let start with Kaira Agency map (easiest). Create separate Kaira Agency map with colour marking the Agency. The Kaira Agency is marked in inset map of OLD AGENCIES in inset map. See article on Kaira Agency too which had only one state, Cambay State. Will this maps created in SVG or PNG?--Nizil (talk) 06:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The two articles you have linked to show the same article and that area Cambay state, is not something I can find in OLD AGENCIES and then within area KAIRA AGENCY.

I'm sorry but I don't understand which area you mean. Is it the area I have drawn with blue around?

I'm also confused because in the big map the Kaira agency is called Broach and Panch Mahals. Is it different years or what?

Just as a discussion point: Would it be good for you if we had one map with all the insets together. In such a map one could have a smaller version of the big map and mark out the different insets on, like the "world map" I added to the latest draft? --Goran tek-en (talk) 21:40, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Kaira Agency is dark green area in inset map, just above the area you marked in [1]. Map in Cambay State=Kaira Agency is that area. Cambay is marked in large map too .What will you do about labels? We can have two maps of Kaira Agency marked with some colour; with labels and without labels.

Category:Maps of Agencies of British India and Category:Maps of princely states of India on Commons for maps

Name: Cambay State Kaira Agency of British India 1817-1937.svg

Description: Cambay State, the only state in Kaira Agency (1817-1937) of British India (Linking Wikipedia article in description is easiest way to describe what is in map.)

I am OK with World Map or Map of South Asia in inset if Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps/Conventions says so. One minor point, corners of boxes are rounded but, according to map conventions, they should be square. For legend, the SVG toolbox on convention page would be helpful, I guess. There is no need of border too, I think.

For inset maps: I think we should create multiple separate maps instead of having one map with all small maps as insets. It will increase usability of each map as well as avoid too much info in one map. We can use multiple map images in one article so there is no need to have all maps in one image.

Note:Please also upload blank map you have created so far without any labels or legend. It will be also helpful in discussion to us as I can point out area etc in the map. One more question: Can borders of image be defined as in File:India Gujarat location map.svg so this image can also be used as location map image? (I don't know the technicality behind it.--Nizil (talk) 05:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Please ping me when you write because the watch function doesn't work all the time, thanks.

Note: The information I asked for uploading was for the blank file, that is what I need to be able to upload it.

I can't read anywhere that the borders has to be solid in a location map but if you want I will make a version like that. The hardest is to get the coordinates correct as this map is made from a map which doesn't hold the same proportions and I have no idea what projection that is used. But we can try if you need it.

Yes it's true that sharp corners is recommended. This is a convention and not a law or rule written in stone. The maps I create have rounded corners as to me this is nicer as a graphic object and all together. So if you don't have any really heavy arguments I will stick to that.

I will now work on the Kaira Agency map, please explain what labels it is that you want in it. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now there is a first draft (png version). I have used the normal coloring but I don't know what you want. Also is this area OK etc, feedback, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. The area you coloured is OK in Kaira Agency Map. You can colour this red, like in File:Gujarat Banaskantha district.png as per Map conventions. I am Ok with round or square sharp corners, I just prefer square sharp corners. I am Ok with solid or dotted border, whatever you prefer.--Nizil (talk) 13:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

For Uploading Blank Map: Name: Princely States and British Agencies during British India 1800-1950.svg --Nizil (talk) 13:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

In Kaira Agency Map: Label Cambay State only, it has only one state. In future, we will need to label multiple states in Agency Maps which have many states. --Nizil (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now you can find the blank file here Commons:file:Princely States and British Agencies during British India 1800-1950.svg.

I have made two different drafts, one with insets to show the position of the area and one without (they can be cut harder/made a little smaller). I don't exactly know how you will use the map so it's up to you but remember that most people do not have your knowledge.

Position maps. Without position maps. Give me feedback, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. Great.

Blank SVG is great. Can you also upload one copy of it without inset world map? In Kaira Agency Map: Maps in inset look more understandable. Keep it. Can you also add a Kaira Agency marked in whole Gujarat Map (as one you have used as a inset map?) I am asking for alternative Maps to see how it looks. Finally, usable maps are here. Lots of thanks. :)--Nizil (talk) 19:49, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Without position inset, blank map.

Cambay State Kaira Agency of British India 1817-1937. In the south west corner there is a bit of border inside the agency, should it be marked in a special way?

@Goran tek-en: No. I think there is no need to mark it differently.--Nizil (talk) 04:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I think it would be good if the next inset map we will do can be one with several agencies and with complex labels. This is because then I will find out if we have to change how we show things because of that and as this is one project it's important that we have some kind of standard how to show things, as far as we can.

Is this what you meant? --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. Yes. I meant that too. A map with a location of an agency within Gujarat. This is what I also needed.--Nizil (talk) 04:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: I don't understand, you link to the same image and if you want me to upload it you always has to give me:

Name of the file
Description
Category/ies at commons

to be able to upload it at commons. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

This is what I also needed. Upload it as

Name: Kaira Agency Cambay State in Gujarat during British India.svg, description: Locatiom of Kaira Agency (Cambay State) in Gujarat during British India Category: British Agencies in India -Nizil (talk) 19:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: That Category didn't exist so I changed to Maps of Agencies of British India. Now you can find it here Commons:file:Kaira Agency Cambay State in Gujarat during British India.svg. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for category. You chose right. The map is what I wanted. Great. Now lets go to map 2 below.--Nizil (talk) 04:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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@Goran tek-en:. My next suggestion is to take up two Rewa Kantha Agency maps. See article and gif-map (inset OLD AGENCIES map and Large main map). I have made two maps in paintbrush to give you an idea what I want. One RK Agency (marked in red) Map and one RK Agency map with all states marked in different colours and labels. Please tell how to mark Mewas enlargements. Label size, font, colours, position of insets etc should be decided by you. I have just made it poorly in paintbrush. Hope this helps.--Nizil (talk) 05:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I think, a new layer of labels should be added in SVG. I have tried to georeference the map by Wikimaps tool: File:Rewa Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1811-1937 02.png so have a look. Is it helpful?--Nizil (talk) 06:01, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Draft of Rewa K, feedback.

There are to pink encircled areas that I'm not sure about.

Yes the job you have done in paintbrush is very helpful for me, thanks.

I don't understand what you mean by "a new layer of labels should be added in SVG". I put information in different layers as I need but that is not something you have to worry about, just tell me what you want. Right now I can't see what usage we have for the georeference, to me that is used when you want to put out different cities and other stuff with a "tool" here. But I'm glad you showed me the tool, it's very helpful for me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, File:Rewa Kantha Agency discussion 2.png is created for answers. I had forgotten to mark some areas in former images so corrected and this map is at higher resolution. I have colored princely states with different colors as in gif-map. I need one such multi-colored image too with all labels/names (as in main gif-map). Still one question remains: How Pandu Mewas and Sankheda Mewas will be handled?--Nizil (talk) 05:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: New draft of Rewa K, check it.

I'm still working on this that I show you as a draft. I haven't started with the other one so I can't answer your questions yet. First we have to get this one colored correct before I move on to the next. This is very complex maps and I have have no knowledge, so one at the time. --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, Rewa K map looks all OK. upload it. Name: Rewa Kantha Agency Gujarat during British India 1811-1937.svg Description: Rewa Kantha Agency (1811-1937) in Gujarat during British India Category: as above map.--Nizil (talk) 05:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now you can find it here Commons:file:Rewa Kantha Agency Gujarat during British India 1811-1937.svg.

Will start on the other one now. --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: This is as a discussion draft (not a complete draft). The colors a picked from a palette which should work for most people with color vision variations. It's almost impossible to make this many colors work for everyone, then you have to add patterns and that would make a picture like this even harder to read. This is a suggestion of the labels. They have to be as big so one can view them but also point to the different areas. This makes sense to me as the names has the same colors as the areas. Is this OK or should I do something else? --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, I am OK with whatever colours you choose. Regarding labels, I think the proposed approach will not work for more complex future maps where number of states will be very large. So I think we should create separate "Legend" for labels. Or any other ways or suggestion? Or simply labelling the States with names as in gif-map?--Nizil (talk) 06:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Sorry my mistake, I didn't give you the whole idea. Draft to check. My idea is to have the labels in a kind of two steps variation. To the right is step 1 (names) when that can be used. For more complex maps I use step 2 (numbers), to the left. Is that OK with you? --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, I am OK with your idea. Is there any way to make yellow (Pandu Mewas) and light green (Rajpipla) names more visible as it is difficult to read those names due to light color? --Nizil (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Draft to check, feedback thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. Great. Its OK. Upload it. Name:Rewa Kantha Agency with all Princely States Gujarat during British India 1811-1937 with labels.svg category and description as above. -Nizil (talk) 19:05, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now you can find it here Commons:file:Rewa Kantha Agency with all Princely States Gujarat during British India 1811-1937 with labels.svg. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, @Goran tek-en:. The next map on my suggestion is of Surat Agency (aka Khandesh Agency (old name)) in south Gujarat. They are like Rewa Kantha Agency maps. See gif-map for detailed info. I am uploading paintbrush maps for help. Surat Agency (1880-1933) of Gujarat during British India and Surat Agency with all princely states during British India 1880-1933 with labels. Thank again.--Nizil (talk) 19:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now I have three drafts for you to check. I did see some differences between your maps and the gif so you have to check everything, as always.

1
2
3

--Goran tek-en (talk) 16:40, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, You have done great. Note that in all three maps: an enclave of Dharampur State in Nagar Haveli (Portuguese) region is not colored. (I had missed that too and now have corrected it File:Surat Agency Gujarat during British India 1880-1933.png). Please color it. Except that Map 1 and 2 are ready to go. In Map 3, can we make inset map of The Dangs+labels on right instead of left as it will not have to cross over other states? It is also difficult to understand and follow numbering in inset map. Can we just mark numbers on states instead of dialogue-bubbles as in inset map of Dangs in gif-map? Thanks again.--Nizil (talk) 05:15, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: We have forgotten to upload without label map of Rewa Kantha agency similar to File:Rewa Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1811-1937 02.png. Upload it too. -Nizil (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Nizil Shah Four drafts;

For each file which is ready to be uploaded I will need the following;

Name of the file
Description
Category/ies at commons

to be able to upload it at commons. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for delay in reply.-Nizil (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Forgotten: Name: Name:Rewa Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1811-1937/Description: Rewa Kantha Agency during British India (1811-1937)

1: Name: Surat Agency in Gujarat during British India 1880-1933/Des: Surat Agency (1880-1933) during British India

2: Name: Surat Agency with all princely states British India 1880-1933/Des: Surat Agency (1880-1933) during British India with all princely states under the agency

3: Name: Surat Agency with all princely states with labels British India 1880-1933/Des: Surat Agency (1880-1933) during British India with all princely states under the agency labelled

Category for all: Maps of Agencies of British India, Maps of princely states of India

@Nizil Shah: I need the same information for the Forgotten one also. Please always ping me as the watch doesn't work all the time, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, I have already posted info for Forgotten Map too. See above. Sorry, i forgot to ping last time. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 16:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Please write it again, it's so hard to find in all this info, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. Name:Rewa Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1811-1937 / Description: Rewa Kantha Agency during British India (1811-1937) / Category: Maps of Agencies of British India, Maps of princely states of India. --Nizil (talk) 04:56, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now you can find them here;

Thanks..--Nizil (talk) 05:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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I have prepared complex Mahi Kantha Agency maps as a next project. File:Mahi Kantha Agency during British India 1820-1933 with States and Thanas.png and File:Mahi Kantha Agency during British India 1820-1933.png are created for reference. There some new issues like how to deal with disputed lands (marked as d), places listed but their location not known, and some uncertain states (located and marked by uncertain). Apart from that, it will need multiple inset maps which should be better marked with numbering.-Nizil (talk) 14:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Two drafts I want you to give me feedback on before I continue, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:. Please check all disputed lands maked with d in gif-image. In your image, sometimes disputed lands are marked red (a disputed land between Idar and Danta) and sometimes not (for example a strip of land above Lunavada in most east of Idar). I think we should colour them some light red shade as they are part of agency but disputed between two states. You can choose different color too. Except this everything looks OK and good to go.--Nizil (talk) 05:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: 4_1_Mahi_Kantha disputed dashed. I followed your painted image. I have now tried to follow the gif but it's really hard for me to understand all the different colors and stuff with out knowledge. If you could do a new colored version with ONLY all the disputed areas colored it would help me a lot, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Goran tek-en, File:Disputed, uncertain and unknown lands in Mahi Kantha agency.png is here. Disputed lands in agency are marked red, uncertain states (states which are in maps but their location is uncertain) are marked green and unknown lands (lands are there in map but it is not known which state owned it) are marked violet. Hope this helps.--Nizil (talk) 11:12, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: This will help me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Drafts to check;

4_1_Mahi_Kantha
4_2_Mahi_Kantha
4_3_Mahi_Kantha --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:54, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Goran tek-en,1 and 2 are good to go...except a small uncertain village problem listed below in last line. Name: File:Mahi Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1820-1933.svg for 1 and Mahi Kantha Agency during British India with inset maps 1820-1933.svg for 2. Categories: Maps of Agencies of British India, Maps of princely states of India

For 3: There are some problems. Several labels are missing and in Thanas and independent villages within are not marked. Uncertain villages/states are not marked. I know that the map I had posted and gif-map both are confusing. so I have created this new map similar to your mapping style. I think instead of speech bubbles to mark numbers, directly placing them would be more cleaner. And there is no need to arrange names in A-Z. All Thana (group of villages under one jurisdiction) are marked in pink. Sometimes several numbers are placed in one area because villages are so small to mark individually within a Thana like in Katosan Thana. Just copy the way I have created new image and its done I guess: See File:Mahi_Kantha_Agency_during_British_India_1820-1933_with_States_and_Thanas2.png. I have not marked disputed and unknown places in map. Correction in uncertain: Regarding W (Warodra) in Bawishi Thana and N (Nirnali) in Vatrak Kantha Thana, this two villages are uncertain while Thanas are known and certain. So change their colors to red instead of marked as uncertain and draw a little dot within them and mark them as uncertain village W and N. See my map. Regards.--Nizil (talk) 13:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: New drafts.

I haven't changed for W N yet because I'm not sure about the coloring. You wrote I should color them red, do they belong to Vijaynagar or any other part that is colored all ready, or should they have new colors each, or one together? --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:08, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

W and N are uncertain villages which are marked by W and N. But the Thana, in which they are, are known. So instead of coloring those Thanas uncertain (green) is wrong and they should be colored normally (red in map 1 and 2). They should be colored pink like we have done with all other Thanas. so simply colour W and N red in map 1 and 2. And pink in map 3. And its done. :) --Nizil (talk) 05:53, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Names: 1: Mahi Kantha Agency during British India 1820-1933.svg; 2: Mahi Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1820-1933.svg; 3: Mahi Kantha Agency during British India 1820-1933 with States and Thanas.svg

Categories: Maps of Agencies of British India, Maps of princely states of India.--Nizil (talk) 05:53, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: New drafts.

4_1_Mahi_Kantha
4_2_Mahi_Kantha
4_3_Mahi_Kantha --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

All Ok.. upload them. Names and category already mentioned. Great work.-Nizil (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now you can find them here;

Mahi Kantha Agency during British India 1820-1933
Mahi Kantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1820-1933
Mahi Kantha Agency during British India 1820-1933 with States and Thanas You have given two versions for the names of 1 and 2, I used the latest version. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

5 and 6

@Goran tek-en:. Now next maps are two simple maps: Thana Agency and Nasik Agency. They were agencies having only one state in them. Thana Agency had only Jawhar State. Nasik Agency had only Surgana State. They are similar to Kaira Agency having only one state, Cambay State. See File:Thana Agency Jawhar state British India.png and File:Nasik Agency Surgana State British India.png to create these two easy maps.--Nizil (talk) 05:22, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Names-

Maps showing location within Gujarat (like This): 5: Thana Agency Jawhar State in Gujarat during British India.png, 6: Nasik Agency Surgana State in Gujarat during British India.png

Agency Maps(like This): 5: Thana Agency Jawhar State during British India.png, 6: Nasik Agency Surgana State during British India.png

Categories: Maps of Agencies of British India, Maps of princely states of India

Thank you.--Nizil (talk) 05:35, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Now you can find them here;

Nasik Agency Surgana State during British India
Nasik Agency Surgana State in Gujarat during British India
Thana Agency Jawhar State during British India
@Goran tek-en:, inset map of Gujarat in this image is of Nasik Agency. It is added mistakenly. Please change it. Well done for all other images.--Nizil (talk) 14:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Aren't you on vacation, anyway good spotted, changed. Takes some time for the png to change.--Goran tek-en (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Thana Agency Jawhar State in Gujarat during British India --Goran tek-en (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Next is Palanpur Agency. For your reference: File:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-1933.png and File:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-1933 with States and Thanas.png are created.--Nizil (talk) 06:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Drafts:

7_1
7_2
7_3 --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, all three are OK. Names: 1:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency during British India 1819-1933.svg , 2:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-1933.svg and 3:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-1933 with States and Thanas.svg. Categories: Maps of Agencies of British India, Maps of princely states of India. I am on vacation but still keep an eye on pending works. :)-Nizil (talk) 05:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Now you can find them here;

Commons:file:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency during British India 1819-1933.svg

Commons:file:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-193.svg

Commons:file:Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-1933 with States and Thanas.svg

On the other maps I have put at this information:

Information from: [https://revisitingindia.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1947guje.gif Information image] but now it seems as this website is on a blacklist so I can't put out that info. Should I write something else?

I don't no why that link is blocked. You can link image posted by me as a source of info for now. Will sort out what to do.

I just saw that I lost a "3" at the end of this files name Palanpur Banaskantha Agency in Gujarat during British India 1819-193.svg, sorry for that, can you ask for a change of name, I will change in the description. --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en:, Corrected.-Nizil (talk) 06:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Agency maps by filling multiple different colours in ABCD basic maps

prior to 1924 (agency maps are in inset of image in link)

Palanpur Agency/Banaskantha Agency Done
Mahi Kantha Agency Done
Kathiawar Agency (4 prants/divisions)
Baroda Agency (not in inset)
Rewa Kantha Agency Done
Surat Agency/Khandesh agency Done
Nasik Agency Done
Kaira Agency Done
Thana Agency Done

1924 (agency maps are in inset of image in link)

Western India States Agency

1933 (agency maps are in inset of image in link)

Baroda and Gujarat States Agency

1943-47 (larger map in image in link)

Baroda, Western India and Gujarat States Agency

1947-1956 (NOT in link, should NOT be looked into now but may be created later if possible)

This way based on ABCD, four maps of each Agency marked with single colour should be created. In addition, one (most important) image of each Agency with all princely states marked in different colours should be created. So All agencies will have 5 maps.

Note: Agencies are merged/organised over the years according to Succession chart above. So subsequent agency images can be created by merging these agency maps.

Gujarat by years

Four images (before 1924, 1924-1933, 1933-1943, 1943-1947) can be created by merging above mentioned agency maps.

Princely (e)state-wise maps

Earch princely (e)state (around 250 total) should have its own location map as in c:Category:Locator maps of districts of Gujarat. Princely State maps should have with label and without label maps from AB or CD. But its large task. It can be done in reverse by creating state maps first, then merging them in agency maps and later merging agency in years map by merging agency maps.

Note: If Geographical limits can be defined as in File:India Gujarat location map.svg, its great.