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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 13:13, 24 March 2008.

List of International Mathematical Olympiads[edit]

I'm nominating this list as well-structured, sourced (while the reflist is small, it does cover all the information in the article), and satisfying the criterion outlined in WP:WIAFL. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 16:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Neutral - only five (5!!!) references, nothing about the history. MOJSKA 666 (msg) 19:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The number of references is worthless. If the entire article can be referenced by one reliable source which covers all the information in the article, that's plenty. Also, the history is in the article; this is strictly a list, not an article. I suggest you read WP:LIST for an idea of what lists are. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 19:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I see that you're new; I'm sorry for biting you. I suggest you read WP:LIST to see why the history isn't appropriate for this list, and should be in the parent article, International Mathematical Olympiad. Additionally, five references are quite good enough if they cover the information in the list. See WP:V. Cheers, Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 20:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'm neutral, I don't like the graphic, it can be better. MOJSKA 666 (msg) 10:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Do those two books in the references cover the earlier events?
  • MOS:DATE gives details of how dates should be written out, wikilinked and such.
  • "№" is usually given as "number" or occasionally "#" if space doesn't allow for the full word. Here it does.
  • The dates don't sort correctly because of how they're formatted. It's currently sorting them by the day the event started, not by year
  • The references should use as many fields of {{cite web}} as possible. Not even an access date is included right now.
  • Removed the column for websites, include those as external links, and make a separate column for refs. Then use each different page listed at the website used in reference [4]. (Obviously other sources will be needed for those before 1995.)
  • Ref [1] and [5] are the same webpage, and they look like one of those sites that copy Wikipedia word-for-word and pass it off as their own. I'm not sure it's WP:reliable.
    • Fixed, and I think it's reliable. It doesn't seem ot have any direct text lifts off WP, and I doubt it was copied from it. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 02:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now-- Matthew | talk | Contribs 04:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is it possible to "put this on hiatus" or something similar? I'm going on a wikibreak until April, so I can't really address issues. Or, just fail it if there's no other way. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 21:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why not ask someone else who's been editing the article to take over the nomination? Alternatively, someone here might take it up. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 23:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa, I'm back early, so I guess this never became an issue. I'll start addressing your points now... Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 22:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Several fixes are necessary.
    1. The second paragraph of the lead is too short; either merge with the first one or expand.
    1. In the lead, it is stated "...and the websites of the olympiads", sounds strange since the websites are only used as references.
    2. I have to disagree with Matthew, "number' widens the first column and leaves too much space; "#" sign is a lot better.
    1. Split the "venue" column into "city" and "country", so that readers could sort by countries, as well.
    1. The "date" column looks bad. I suggest using {{dts2}} for the first date and link the months and days for the second dates.
    2. The second note "olsen 2004" needs page numbers and doesn't need to be linked. Same thing for note #6, "Lord 2001".

--Crzycheetah 01:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. This doesn't organize a group of articles; listing venues seems weak on "useful" (1a) to me. I don't see the point of making it sortable, as the dates are (or should be) parallel to number, and you can't reliably sort on venue since some were in two locations. Unless this is going to be expanded to include something about participants or results, it could all be cited to one book, right? Gimmetrow 07:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I suppose it could, but listing participants or results doesn't seem very connected to me. In fact, there's a separate list for that, linked in the "See also" section. Also, it seems quite useful to me: limited scope doesn't necessarily imply uselessness. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 19:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please don't close this yet, as the painstaking task of formatting the dates and splitting the "venue" column should be completed soon. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 19:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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