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Talk:Fever GA1

Hi Tuzapicabit! I wanted to thank you for taking up the GA review of Fever, and I wanted to inform you that the points you laid out in the review have been addressed. I think it is time for you to decide whether to close it now (pass or fail). Thanks again! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 15:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for passing! :D --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 12:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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No sorry, not really my style of music so I'd probably lose interest, but it's a very impressive looking article though.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:13, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Romeo and Juliet

What about the text at Angelo (song) that says "According to co-writer Hiller, the lyrics were based on "Romeo and Juliet - the great love story. The idea was to create a modern day Romeo and Juliet romance"?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:36, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Except the song isn't actually about Romeo and Juliet. The link seems a bit tenuous for inclusion. Perhaps see what others think. I'd be happy to give in to consensus.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Unless you are going to remove the R&J content, I'd say let's put this up for discussion at WP:BARD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:41, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Since it's a quote from the songwriter I wouldn't remove it, but yes, feel free to discuss the issue.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 23:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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Julio Iglesias

Julio Iglesias was goalkeeper with this team before he became a singer. Any info as to for how long or if they won any important matches with him? I presume he's the most famous former player but doesn't get a mention. Any thoughts?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

That's because there is little or no reliable infomation available. Most sources list him playing for Real Madrid Castilla in 1962 when Castila was founded ten years later! Plus Ultra was the reserve club at the time. I think he lat played for the Juvenil B team but he could have played for Plus Ultra's youth team, since Plus Ultra also had its own youth section (as did Castilla). Thanks! Raul17 (talk) 13:20, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much for looking into this. Have always been curious. Was going to mention it here, but perhaps not then!--Tuzapicabit (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I had wondered about it also, but I thought it must have been a hoax that he even played the game! Glad to help! Raul17 (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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'xxxx (year) in British music' articles

Hello Michael, I don't know how much you get involved with the above articles nowadays, but as you were heavily involved in creating the years covering the 1970s, I thought I should drop you a line. Basically I want to overhaul them and standardise them, in particular the year end charts which often have no citations (at best just a vague reference to Music Week or Record Mirror without any verifiable referencing) and the format changes from year to year - some are lists, others are tables; some are top 10, top 20, top 40, etc.

After spending a bit of time in the British Library I do now have proper citations for most of these charts, although as I am sure you are aware, the UK charts before 1983 (when Gallup took over from the BMRB and started automating the chart returns) are now considered very unreliable and have been sujected to some major revisions, so the published charts at the time can't be used: I'm working on sorting this out. In the meantime, I wondered if you had any opinion on the formatting? My view is that the cut-off point should be a top 40 or top 50 at most (some of the year end charts go up to a top 100 or even top 200, but this would make the list way too long, and in any case as I have already said, the earlier the chart, the more unreliable they are likely to be). I also prefer to use a simple list rather than a table – I can see that a table would be useful for more recent years where sales figures can be included, but as there were no official yearly sales figures published before 1994, I don't see what other useful information can be added to the title and artist, except maybe peak position, but this could be placed in brackets afterwards anyway. But I haven't got anything 'set in stone' yet – I wanted to get some opinions from people who have worked on the articles and try to come to some consensus as to how to present them. I would post on WikiProject boards to try and canvas opinion, but apart from Wikipedia:WikiProject Music I'm not sure there are any relevant projects that are still active these days.

I guess you have the same problems trying to get accurate information for the Irish charts pre-1990s as well! Richard3120 (talk) 14:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, go ahead and make any changes you feel necessary. The year-end charts given are the official ones from the end of the years, but if you have better citations then certainly use them. Accurate info from the Irish charts is certainly available online, so I don't see a problem there. Thanks.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply – my biggest issue at the moment is whether to include "sales figures" for earlier years... as far as I know, there were no published end of year sales figures before 1994, and the sales published at the time for 1994 to 1996 have since been discredited and revised, so are basically worthless. The figures currently quoted in the articles up to 1996 are usually "estimates" that have been taken from various charts message boards, calculated by enthusiasts from officially published yearly sales figures per artist (i.e. sales could be made up of one or more singles or albums, and estimating what percentage of sales were assigned to each record). As these are completely unofficial and unverifiable, I am thinking to remove them altogether or at least add a note that all figures are unofficial and estimated. In any case I don't think most people are interested in how many records the 37th best selling album of 1987 sold that year – it makes more sense to me to concentrate efforts into keeping List of best-selling singles in the United Kingdom up to date. Richard3120 (talk) 10:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

No sales figures should be included from earlier years, they're clearly made up by chart fans. As far as I know no figures were released officially, so unless they were they have to go. Have you started on the year-end chart rewriting. I'll be interested to see this and where they come from. Good luck with your work anyway.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 10:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I haven't started yet, partly because I wanted to canvas the opinions of the principal editors of the articles first, and also because I spent most of yesterday correcting the edits of Hadji87: I find his weekly chart commentaries a bit pointless but that's fine, he's entitled to write them... the problem is he insists that the chart date is the Sunday which it is announced on Radio 1's chart show, rather than the week ending date of the following Saturday which the OCC, British Hit Singles & Albums and The Virgin Book of British Hit Singles all use. This means that his chart "week number" is a week out from the official sources, so I had to correct them back to 2012 AND move the final week from each year into the first week of the following year's article in order to match them up, which was a real pain. :-/

The sources are the charts printed in Music Week in January every year, which are the ones supplied by the official chart compilers – I have spent some time in the British Library searching old copies of Music Week and noted down the issue in which they were published, back to the 1980s. The tricky ones are going to be the charts compiled by BMRB between 1970 (the first time they were based on sales, rather than a points system) and 1982 – these were full of errors and have been revised subsequently, so official sources at the time carry the now discredited versions of the charts, and I'm not sure where to get verifiable sources for the updated ones. Richard3120 (talk) 12:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, Music Week is the right source to go with, so it's good that you have them. What were the errors contained? Can you give me an example?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Basically, in the days before automated returns, BMRB relied on chart returns from record shops being sent back by post, which was a very unreliable method as the shops didn't always send their returns back on time. In addition, their sample size of shops was very small, so it was more prone to errors caused by abnormal returns from one shop – there were more instance of chart fixing at this time. Sharon Mawer carried out some research for the OCC in 2007 on album chart histories, year by year, and published updated year end top ten album lists on the OCC's website, so these would have been verifiable sources: for 1970–75 in particular these were substantially different from those published by BMRB at the time. However, in their infinite wisdom the OCC decided to delete the summaries from their site soon afterwards – they still exist on Sharon's personal web page, but of course, that's not a verifiable source under Wikipedia rules. I've written to her asking how she carried out her research and whether the figures exist elsewhere on an officially recognised website. I'm thinking about contacting the OCC as well and asking what they intend to do about providing accurate retrospective data.

The sales figures between 1994 and 1996 are also unreliable: this is when Millward Brown took over the job of compiling the chart. When Chart Information Network (now OCC) took over from them they found that Millward Brown had used too large a multiplier figure for the representative panel sales and therefore overestimated all sales, making their figures from this period redundant, and the figures had to be revised down retrospectively. The biggest loser was the biggest album of this period, (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, which had 750,000 sales knocked off its figures after originally being thought to have sold over three million copies – as you can see, a not insignificant amount.

Hence my reluctance to quote any supposed sales figures before 1997: they're just too unreliable. If Sharon is unable to provide any information regarding her figures, I will just have to use the published data of the time which appeared in the BPI annual Year Books (which I have also looked at in the British Library)... even though it might now be considered 'incorrect' it's the best official data available for now. But at least it will be a proper citation for the data. Cheers. Richard3120 (talk) 09:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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The US release date is variously given as 5 January 1980 and 10 January 1980 - the Clash's site goes with 10 January. Please revert and quit edit warring. Radiopathy •talk• 00:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll give in to the sources, but the album is still a 70s album. It was released as a completed album in the 1970s (regardless of when it was released in the US). I still think it's significant that this was considered the best album of the 1980s given that no work was done on it in any part of the 1980s.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Titles for The Royle Family episodes

I added titles for episodes of The Royle Family but I noticed you reverted my edit. I read through the article's talk page as you suggested. It seems the previous concerns with episode titles was where a source was not cited. I did indeed cite my source. What was your reason for reverting? Zippanova 21:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi. TV.com is a user-run site, therefore not a reliable source. Since The Royle Family is a BBC series, the sources to go for would be the BBC official website which has episode lists for the series. No titles are listed here, merely episode 1, 2 etc. The episodes themselves as transmitted do not contain titles nor do the Video/DVD releases. These are all the official sources. Perhaps a script book may be available? I don't know where the episode titles originated but they may be made-up titles by someone at some point and have found their way on to various other sites.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 07:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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List of best-selling singles of the 1970s in the United Kingdom

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