User talk:Giano/Charles Raikes Davy

Hello again, I've quoted some sources below that might help with this. I have access to Ancestry, the BNA and a deposit library, so if there is anything you need, I may be able to help. Even if he's not notable alone, he warrants a section of his father's article at least. Good luck putting this article together. Best wishes, —Noswall59 (talk) 20:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Joseph Foster, The Royal Lineage of our Noble and Gentle Families, p. 100
His baptism record: April 11th 1818 - Charles Raikes Davy, son of William Gabriel and Mary Ann, of Arthington. (Baptisms solemnised in the Parish of Adel in the county of York, [1813–1858], p. 23, no. 178 (West Yorkshire Archives, Wakefield, RDP2/4).
Joseph Foster, Alumni Oxoniensis: 1715-1886, vol. I, p. 353. "Davy, Charles Raikes, o.s. William Gabriel, of Arthington, co. York, eq. aur. Balliol Coll., matric. 8 March 1837, aged 19; B.A. 1840, M.A. 1843, rector of Adel, Yorks, 1854-8, died 25 Dec. 1885."
National Probate Calendar, 1886, p. 105. "11 February. The Will with two Codicils of the Reverend Charles Raikes Davy late of Tracy Park Doynton in the County of Gloucester Clerk who died 25 December 1885 at the "Albion" Hotel in the City of Gloucester by William Davy of Tracy Park the Son and Alexander Edward Pole of Montrose Weston Park near Bath in the County of Somerset Esquires Barristers-at-Law the Executors. Personal Estate £105,399 18s."

And:

Edward Walford, The County Families of the United Kingdom, 1869, p. 276 [Confirms his parentage and his mother's father]

But unfortunately, birth and marriage records to do not confirm this [1]. It seems that our Charles's mother was Mary ann carruthers and it's her mother, also called Mary Ann, who was the daughter of Thomas Arthington. All a bit confusing, but I'll look at it again tomorrow. Giano (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The full marriage records explain this: "William Gabriel Davy of the Parish of Knaresborough(?) in the County of York and Mary Ann Carruthers of Arthington Hall of this parish widow were married in this Parish by License with consent of [blank, no consent needed] this Twentieth Day of February in the Year One thousand eight hundred and fourtee by me ...." (West Yorkshire Archive Service, Wakefield, RDP2/6, Marriages solemnised in the Parish of Addle otherwise Adel in the County of York, [1814-1836], p. 4, No. 11). This is repeated in the Scots Magazine, Jan. 1814, p. 638: "20. [June] At Addle, Lieutenant-Colonel Davy, to Mrs Carruthers, of Arthington-hall, Yorkshire." Her death is recorded in the Gentleman's Magazine, New Series, vol. v, Jan.-Jun. 1836, p. 333: "Jan. 24. [1836] At Bath, Mary Anne, wife of Major-Gen. Davy, of Tracy Park, Glouc., dau of late T. Arthington, esq. of Arthington Hall, Yorkshire."

Thomas Arthington appears to have died c. 1801 - his will was proved at York, but Ancestry doesn't have access to that collection. Brian Wragg, The Life and Works of John Carr of York, 2000, p. 105, mentions him, but it is on snippet view and the book is in stack at the library near me. It suggested that the Thomas who died in 1801 inherited Arthington Hall in 1750, aged 24, on the death of his second cousin, Cyril Arthington. He changed his name, but I cannot see from what. (Arthington Hall doesn't have an article, which is a shame. [2]). The Publications of the Thoresby Society, vol. iv, 1895, p. 286, includes a section on Adel and a footnote concerning the advowson of the local church, mentioning: "... At the death of Thomas Arthington of Arthington Hall in 1801, the advowson passed to his daughter, Mrs. Carruthers, of Dormont, afterwards Lady Davy, after whose death it was transferred two or three times ..."

As for the Carruthers: The Publications of the Thoresby Society, 1955, p. 81, is available on Google Books, but only as snippet view. Thankfully, the following entry is accessible: "On Wednesday last was married at the parish church of Addle, by the Rev. Hy. Nicholason, rector of that parish, William Carruthers, Esq., of Dormont in the shure of Dumfires, North-Britain, to Miss Arthington, eldest dau. of Thos. Arthington, Esq., of Arthington." A trimmed down report was carried by the Scots Magazine, vol. 57, 1795, p. 410: "William Carruthers, Esq; of Dormont, to Miss Arthington, daughter of T. Arthington, Esq." It would seem that Carruthers died at a similar time to Thomas Arthington: the will of a "William Carruthers of Dormont, Dumfrieshire and Arthington" was proved in 1803 [3] This court decision from 1812 (see p. 572 onwards) is relevant to the family: [4].

Anyway, what all of this shows is that William Gabriel Davy did indeed marry a widow, Mary Anne Carruthers, the daughter of Thomas Arthington (died 1801) of Arthington Hall, and the widow of William Carruthers, of Dormont and Arthington. She would have been much older at the birth of their children, I presume... perhaps she was younger than we think at the time of her first marriage. Anyway, hopefully, this clarifies things. Cheers, —Noswall59 (talk) 10:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you Noswall59, my own research was leading me to that conclusion too. Just shows that it always pays to check out all sources. Quite unusual to be having children in her 40s, but I suppose if she's had four or five earlier, it was probably OK - even in that day and age. Giano (talk) 12:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]