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Albania

Saw an Albanian throwing a tantrum here. I thus quickly checked the Albania article; has someone been polishing it to make Albania gleam? Certainly many edits have come in. I have been slack with Wikipedia for some months now. Certainly some of the stuff I added to the Albanian page has been chopped. I am going to remedy this, though haven't got time right now. BowlAndSpoon (talk) 10:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, Bowl, you British people are so delightful to talk to. Your manners are always impeccable and most of the time I agree with your reasonable points. Yes, you're so right. There is a lot of activity in those articles, a lot of which is of rather dubious provenance. For sure I would welcome any help I could get in that area. The last contact even made legal threats to not revert his/her edits, while acknowledging that s/he doesn't have any sources to support these edits. There are degrees of cluelessness. I just didn't know that cluelessness could reach that level. Dr. K. 16:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Metre

Facepalm --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Good description of the situation. :) Dr. K. 01:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Citation archive links at Air France Flight 447

Hi, Dr.K.,

Thanks for your contributions fixing up {{dead link}}s at Air France Flight 447 here and here. This is just to let you know I've been coming in after you and cleaning up the {{Citation}} parameters here and here. Please have a look at the documentation for the usage of link parameters url, dead-url, and archive-url at Template:Citation. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:23, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Dead links

IABot is not a drop-in replacement for humans, it's only the starting point for an edit session. Please see this edit where it saved links that are not dead, and marked links that are not dead. If it makes a mistake, the procedure is to notify the bot through the same interface so it won't make the same mistake again. -- GreenC 17:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

In the same edit, it deleted the link http://webarchive.loc.gov/all/20120210170338/http%3A//www%2Ecensus%2Egov/compendia/statab/2008/tables/08s0775%2Exls entirely which is a mistake and should be restored. -- GreenC 17:35, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The bot as configured now analyses the page and then saves the edit by itself without giving the human operator the chance to review the edit. So I did not have any chance to finalise an edit session started by the bot. I assumed the bot was ready since its link is at the article history. If the bot is not ready then it should not be available. Dr. K. 17:41, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm a little confused, if this "Dead links" section, is a response to the previous, #Citation archive links at Air France Flight 447 section, or not. If yes, can you demote the H2 == Dead links == header to H3 (or remove it), so the sections stay logically together, and don't get archived separately? Thanks. Mathglot (talk) 07:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

No, it's a different topic. Please follow the links given by the OP. Dr. K. 07:15, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

ANI/I notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User 24.34.58.178. Jim1138 (talk) 02:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Sock

Dr.K.--sock of who? I'm looking into it--but can you notify Commons? I don't know how to tag stuff there. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Doc. It's M 08 1 who has uploaded copyvio images at commons. See commons:User talk:M 08 1 where Juliancolton has already tagged some of the sockmaster's images. However, M 08 1 does not edit on en.wiki. S/he uses 41.224.101.107 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and M 08 1 to do his/her bidding here. I haven't done any SPIs at Commons, so I'm no help in that department. Dr. K. 16:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

• I didn't mean SPI--I meant tagging the images for deletion. I ran CU real quick because you seem to have a point, but they point at very different places and I am not comfortable placing a block. Please warn them, and let's hope that they get it. Drmies (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

• I'm not familiar with their arcane system of file deletion either. I warned the named account. The named account can be blocked for copyright violations, if they continue doing that. Dr. K. 16:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

• I went ahead and deleted all of their uploads on Commons, all pretty clear copyvios. I'll block them if it happens again. Thanks for the ping! – Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

• You are very welcome Julian. Thank you for solving this problem so fast. :) Take care. Dr. K. 04:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

This Barnstar is for you!

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to you for preventing Wikipedia from being used for fraudulent purposes and for defending the project against threats that could undermine its quality. I was about to report a vandal to the AIV but you were faster than me. Thank you! -- SILENTRESIDENT 09:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much SR for this nice gesture. I really appreciate it. I will add the barnstar to my collection soon. :) Thank you also for all you do in this project. Take care. Dr. K. 17:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

About a non-disputed edit

Hi Dr. Kay,

I have no problem with your most recent reversion at the Erdogan page. I assume you read the article's talk page entry about that reversion before you made the reversion, as was requested by me in my own reversion notes.

Thanks,

Scott P. (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

PS: Have you ever seen the TV series "Red Dwarf"?

By the tone of your last edit over at Erdogan, I can clearly see that you could not possibly ever have seen a single episode of this most marvelous TV series. (Just a wild hunch which is probably wrong.) Scott P. (talk) 00:17, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting that talk section.Scott P. (talk) 00:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Scott for the updates. By the way, I am vaguely familiar with the show, although I don't remember when I last watched it. I haven't watched too many episodes over the years. I had forgotten all about it, until you reminded me today. I'll make sure to watch an episode in the future since you recommend it so highly. :) Take care. Dr. K. 01:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, so you have seen it! I suspected as much. The reason I recommended it was because of your heretical belief that cats will inherit the earth. The show writers were obviously a part of your heretical sect too. I personally am of the true and correct faith. It's dogs.

Scott P. (talk) 04:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Kidding aside, just in case you may not recall, the show featured a certain cat species that, due to the lack of humans (we had all died in a terrible accident) had become the dominant species. Also due to the cat's fond memories of their former human masters, the cats had evolved into humanoid creatures. The last remaining humanoid-cat was played by this black guy who was really into his wardrobe, a "cool-cat" you might say. Might you recall? Scott P. (talk) 04:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Turkish camel wrestling

Just sent you a third email about the "Turkish Camel." Ever see a Turkish Camel wrestling match? Unlike a bullfight, where the animal must typically die at the hands of the surprisingly more intelligent matador, Turkish Camel Wrestling matches typically end up with both Camel Wrestlers still able to live to actually wrestle another day. Interesting but messy business, especially for those with front row seats! In my not so humble opinion, the sadistic Turks have the peace loving Spaniards beat hands down on this one. Scott P. (talk) 16:13, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Need your assistance

Hey Doc, long time no chat. Was hoping you could lend me some of your knowledge. Concerning the city of Aksaray; was there a time it was known as Taxara? If not, where was Taxara located and what is it called now? Thanks in advance. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kansas Bear. Nice talking to you after such a long time. I hope everything is well with you. I am not familiar with that city. I also checked in Google books and "Τάξαρα" came up in a few books as an alternative name for a city called Κολώνεια (Coloneia), in Caesarea. Sorry for not being able to be more helpful. Take care. Dr. K. 22:26, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks, Doc. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

This is to cute, don't you think so?

Cupcak (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much Cupcak Indeed, that's the definition of cute. Take care. Dr. K. 12:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Otabek Mahkamov

Thanks for checking on that. I was beginning to come to your conclusion. Going cross-eyed trying to read the translations, etc. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, as always, Jim. Yeah, these are some terrible sources. I know the Samarkand guy who reverted looks like a sock, but hey, we are talking about BLP. :) Take care. Back on my vacation, hopefully. :) Dr. K. 19:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hope you are having a good vacation! Let me know how it went.

Terrible sources? The urls seem random and the others useless.

BTW: Same problem on uz:Otabek Mahkamov I gave some (hopefully good) advice on talk:Otabek Mahkamov Jim1138 (talk) 04:18, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jim. Yes, the vacation is not that bad so far. Thank you for your kind words. :) Your advice at the article talk is well-taken as always. What a mess that was. Thankfully, this time, the BLP problems were resolved quickly enough. Take care and we'll talk soon. Dr. K. 12:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Good to have people like you around!

Recently I've made a few edits which little of them were true the other were to see if somebody takes action to prevent vandalism and you did almost imediantly. Good job, I'm new to Wikipedia I don't even know if I've sent this privately to you or just messed up again. I'm sorry if so :(. Best of luck mate, keep up the good work preventing people from messing the website around. I wont make mistakes and I'll add reliable source of information when im editing. Thank you for sticking to Wikipedia after such long time. Take care mate. Aleksihaah (talk) 10:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

About revert

Page Gowda Saraswat Brahmin reverted 2 days ego by you but I have given pin to pin details about my citation and edit now shall I expect any editor over there to revert it back???

Dr.Narasimha Prabhu (talk) 08:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Requested input

Hello, I frequently see you contribute to articles listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture and would very much appreciate your input on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture#Eradication of variety show sections so that a conclusion towards variety show appearances can be made. Thanks. Abdotorg (talk) 18:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Marguerite Alibert

On 10 June 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marguerite Alibert, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marguerite Alibert killed her husband after watching The Merry Widow with him? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marguerite Alibert. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marguerite Alibert), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Discography

Hey I wanted to create an account and help to improve the following article. I have seen you around a lot so I figured I would ask you. I've seen the Girls' Generation discography is a featured article so I wanted to take it as an example but I'm not sure what the rules are. The Shinee discography page lists all kind of digital download sales and not only album sales and they all have sources so I'm not sure if I'll end up doing something against the rules if I delete all of it. I would be thankful for some tips. --2A02:8108:1440:2870:3C9F:62ED:DD07:51DF (talk) 16:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi anon. Thanks for asking. Personally, I'm not sure about the material that should be listed in the Discography articles, although your idea of aligning your edits with the FA article is a commendable one. I would ask either Snowflake91 or Abdotorg about that. They seem active in this area. Take care. Dr. K. 16:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Please, stop reverting my edits that changes Chemin to Boulevard.

I cited you another FR Wikipedia article and | Google maps say so too. Only a very small portion inside YUL is called Chemin de la Côte-Vertu. With my reason, please stop removing accurate information.--A the wikier (talk) 00:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Stop reverting? What part of my self-revert 7 minutes ago did you not get? Dr. K. 00:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Greek Super Cup

An anon left me a message regarding problems with Greek Super Cup here. I had reverted his unexplained content removal. I copied most of it to [[talk:Greek Super Cup#Article would seem to need cleanup. I also found the the only footnote is DL which I tagged. If you have time (snicker), please take a look? I noticed the Greek article is semi-ed and has a refimprove (or equiv tag) Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jim. I'm afraid I have no idea about this topic. To make matters worse, the Greek version is not well sourced and the subject matter is really obscure. Actually, one of the sources, refers to it as the "forgotten institution". From your comments on the article talkpage, I gather you don't care too much about this subject, and it isn't something I care about either. I think this is one of these cases where our involvement should be limited to cases of obvious vandalism. Take care. Dr. K. 23:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Good advice! I should setup something to remind me of this every five minutes when I'm on Wikipedia. Probably would sleep better at night! Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Lol! I think your comment is spot on, and I should also make the exact same note to myself. :) Dr. K. 00:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Salutations

Thank you for reaching out to me. I thank you for your response, but, I don't think that I even posted properly, as it would appear that the information that I added, was not placed on the site-I just corrected some erroneous information that you had about a cousin of mine, on the page for Diana Ross, the singer. It would seem as if I wanted to be certain that information appeared, there is a lot of work that I would have to do, close to learning another programming language. That is a good thing, as certainly, it does discourage a lot of wanton and inaccurate editing. And this is more of a resource, and less of a comments section on a new site. But, I don't have the energy and time to devote to learning how to contribute. So, my futile contribution is it for me. I wish you all the best, this is a wonderful and worthwhile project. Thanks. Deo.Deodadonazo (talk) 08:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Elagabalus

The article itself discusses this. To correct this should I use the spot in the article itself as citation for itself? Hyena-Princess (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

No. You should go to the article talkpage to talk to the other editors who are interested in the article. Dr. K. 22:51, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

*taps mic*

Mark Lee and Tupac are the same person.. don't even try to deny it.Maram the nctzen (talk) 23:22, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Tapping the mike is cute. Getting blocked, if you don't stop, ain't. Dr. K. 23:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It's not unconstructive edits

It's not unconstructvie edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.88.26.6 (talk) 10:10, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Email

I sent you emails, including the latest one. --George Ho (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your work

Hello DK. I was about to send four or five ping thanks for you work on AE's article but opted for the more personal touch of leaving this message. Your efforts are much appreciated. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 04:21, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

LOL, thank you very much Marnette. I really appreciate your kind words, especially since I have seen your work around the 'pedia and you are one of the editors I respect greatly. Cheers. :) Dr. K. 04:32, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Your heartfelt words have made my evening! Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:36, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

You did the same for me. :) It is always nice seeing you around, and talking to you. Take care. Dr. K. 04:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Han Taiwanese/Han Chinese issue

Dr. K, the source (specifically citation 5) that refers to the "Republic of China Yearbook 2014" uses the term "Han Chinese", not "Han Taiwanese" to describe the Han population in Taiwan. I clicked on the source to verify it myself. If you not believe me, you can look it up yourself. Just click citation 5 and read through the YB 2014 PDF and you will find that it uses the term "Han Chinese". This is regarding the Wikipedia page on Taiwan. --ExGuardianNinja (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Mount Athos Sources

I firmly find myself opposing Future Perfect over the removal of Reliable Sources on Mount Athos. Seems like he is pursuing some POV at expense of Wikipedia's rules. However I shall note that in the one of the summaries on Mount Athos, I have problematically stated that "If you have problems with the sources, then we will find new ones." while was trying to say "If you have problems with the sources, then we will try find new ones to help overcome your concerns." This was an edit mistake and not an attempt by me to legitimize the violation of WP:RS and other Wikipedia rules by Future Perfect. This is not my intention. Have a good day. --SILENTRESIDENT 17:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks SR. I think an RfC would help clear this. Do you have the time to open one? Take care. Dr. K. 17:27, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure. I am tired of this tendentious case. --SILENTRESIDENT 17:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you again SR. Dr. K. 17:38, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Basketball heights and weights

If they are in the linked profiles, they are fine in the infobox. It's "verifiable." At the least, you can cite the, vs. remove them (even unnecessary) Rikster2 (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

If they are in the linked profiles, they are fine in the infobox I am not familiar with that rule, and, in any case, this goes against WP:BURDEN. All information should be cited in the article, as is the case for other articles per WP:RS and WP:V. Also you used rollback to revert my edit and restored the wrong weight of 307 lbs; The edit was made by a blocked account. This is misuse of rollback, which should be used only in cases of clear vandalism; in this case, you actually used rollback to restore vandalism. Please be more careful in the future and use edit-summaries. Dr. K. 23:22, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't have done it if you hadn't completely removed height and weight, which was going overboard. Sorry I rolled you back, but why would you not just restore the valid height and weight, which are easily verifiable? Rikster2 (talk) 00:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't have done it if you hadn't completely removed height and weight, which was going overboard. They were unsourced, and I removed them. There was nothing overboard about my removal of unsourced BLP information. As I mentioned above, I did it per WP:BURDEN, so let's not repeat ourselves. References must be added to the relevant facts in the article. I can't see why you follow a rule that says otherwise. What's worse, you create problems for editors who are not familiat with this improper rule in your neck of the woods. Also, rolling back a good-faith edit is improper use of rollback, and rolling back to a vandalised version, is even worse. But I made these points before. I'm not sure why I have to repeat these points so many times. Dr. K. 00:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Purple Barnstar
		For your endurance of trollish harassment. Ad Orientem (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thank you so much Ad Orientem. You saved my day today, and you are one of the great admins of this project. I think you deserve an admin's barnstar, but I'll reserve this for the future, since you beat me in awarding a barnstar today. :) I never knew this very nice barnstar existed, and it is a very pleasant surprise, especially coming from you. :) Take care. Dr. K. 20:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• I completely agree with AO's presentation of this barnstar. You should not have had to deal with this harassment. I hope that the rest of your week goes much better. MarnetteD|Talk 19:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you very much Marnette, for your encouragement, which I really appreciate. I don't know how this happens, but, once in a while, all the wiki trolls wake up and make mischief. It's like an unofficial Halloween for trolls. However, since I've seen activity like this before, I am not really surprised. I was also lucky today, because of the fast response of some outstanding admins. It is nice to know we have these editors around. Dr. K. 20:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Dr.K.. You have new messages at Talk:Morse code.
Message added 19:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Shearonink (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the courtesy Shearonink. All the best. Dr. K. 20:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

RfA

Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:41, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Cullen: You are very welcome Cullen. It was a pleasure supporting you. All the best to you. Take care. Dr. K. 03:47, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Nili Patera dune field

On 27 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nili Patera dune field, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Nili Patera dune field (detail pictured) was the first location on Mars where evidence was obtained of dune movement of a minimum of 1 metre (3 ft 3 in)? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nili Patera dune field), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 00:03, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Macedonia

Hello Dr. K, thanks for your info at my User talk. I don't understand, why you've reverted my edit. Please look at http://www.stat.gov.mk/Publikacii/MakBrojki2014_en.pdf. At the shown http://citypopulation.de/Macedonia.html I can't find the population date 2014 and nothing the dates 2,069,162 as shown...Something is there wrong...best regards -- Drahdiwaberling (talk) 10:19, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Drahdiwaberling. Your edit provides a 2017 population estimate but the source only has estimates up to 2015. If you think the current estimate is wrong, you can open a discussion at the talkpage of the article. But adding a new estimate without a source is not the way to do it. Dr. K. 15:55, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire

Sorry to bother you, but I thought you might know the answer to this conundrum.

Has it been determined on Wikipedia the naming of the Byzantine Empire, or whether it should be referred to as the Eastern Roman Empire?

An editor that refers to themselves as "defender of the actual legitimacy of the Roman Empire in the east after the fall of the western part", has returned to changing Byzantine to Eastern Roman after their personal attack directed at me back in 31 October 2016. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kansas. You never bother me. It is always a pleasure talking to you. As far as the editor under consideration, as soon as someone calls himself/herself something as extravagant as that, and they are a PA-prone SPA to boot, most likely they are up to no good. In any case, as this edit indicates, there is no consensus for their edits. If they attempt any more of these edits, they should be warned and reverted. This is a chronic problem by the way. Dr. K. 03:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Good to know I am not a bother, Doc! Thanks for your response. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Kansas, this should never have come up. Friends are always welcome here. :) Thank you for the heads up. I'll keep an eye. Take care. Dr. K. 04:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Non-free image discussed at Talk:Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker

Hello again. I pinged you at Talk:Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker about File:Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Soundtrack.jpg, which you uploaded. You may comment there if you wish. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 01:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Greeks need to STOP with History falsification.

... and stop trying to give etymolgies to words that DON'T EXIST IN MODERN GREEK. Illyria was NOT a "greek" zone.

Stop being mad, deleting comments and manipulating the comment section.

Facts are facts. There's NO etymolgy in modern greek for "Dardani". Deal with it.

Get a life. ILYHDRAB (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@ILYHDRAB: Ya know, if you had a point that was supported by professionally published mainstream academic sources, you wouldn't have to stoop to making this about ethnicity. Have you considered that? Because that's how any real scholarship works. Mindless propaganda that's often wrong, on the other hand, does sometimes like to make personal attacks toward others based on their perceived ethnicity. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Ian. The same user, left a comment on my talk yesterday, asking what was wrong with his comments and why I deleted them. Here they are: comment 1, comment 2 and comment 3. The thing is, is this guy for real? Dr. K. 18:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey there

I would like to ask for you input here: Talk:Exo discography. Also I have a question regarding the genre section in the infobox for K-pop groups. Is it enough to add K-pop? The article itself describes the genre as a combination of "Western styles and genres" so I don't think it is necessary to include all kind of genres especially because K-pop groups use like 5 different genres with every release. I'm not interested in getting into conflicts with other editors. I also would like to know if we need a source for the lead section of discography pages if we summarize the overall sales of an artist? I was once told by an admin to include a reliable source but another user says it's ok to count all the sales of the page as long as it's all referenced. In case you are confused about the last part, I'm talking about this.--Thebestwinter (talk) 14:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Thebestwinter: Hi TBW. First, thank you for your excellent work in this difficult area of the 'pedia. You make some really good points. First, the genres, if they are not referenced, they are removed. If they are referenced, they are ok to be included. As far as the discography sales, I tend to support your position. If there is a reliable source that adds the sales and gives a number, then it is ok to include these stats. Adding them manually looks like WP:OR to me. I'll ask Drmies, another K-pop regular about this. Dr. K. 19:23, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I really appreciate your help. There are still a lot of things I don't know but I'm trying. Honestly it is exhausting to work on K-pop related topics but someone has to help to improve these articles. I also have seen it's popular to include a section with songwriting credits and I'm not sure how the rules about it are but I don't think it should be included because no other Western artist I know has something like it. I know songwriting sections are ok as long as they are well written and referenced like Taylor Swift for example but a table with songwriting credits? Are there any guidelines about it or is it personal preference?--Thebestwinter (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you also TBW for lending a hand on this notoriously difficult area. You make a very good point regarding these songwriting credits tables. To me it looks like just another puffery vehicle in an area which is full of this stuff. I would suggest just removing them. If there is any edit-warring, we open a discussion to reach consensus. I'll keep an eye. Dr. K. 22:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I have been running into, and redirecting, List of songs recorded by ..., which was new to me--unencyclopedic articles whose purpose is to list every factoid and fluff up navigation templates. Drmies (talk) 13:23, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

It's a fluff epidemic. It has been going on seemingly forever. Dr. K. 15:53, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits

Why are my edits being treated as disruptive while the others were not? My edits were reverted without so much as a reason given by Denniss. How come he/she gets a pass? Emiya1980 (talk) 10:33, 5 August 2017 (UTC)Emiya1980

The numbering system you are trying to implement is applied mostly to American presidents. These are European politicians and it does not apply to them. Also, reverting an editor across many articles, is a sure sign of disruptive activity. Dr. K. 10:40, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Denniss reversed my edits across numerous articles first. Moreover, he deleted ALL contributions I made to the pages, not just my attempts to number the chancellors. Why does Dennisss's conduct not constitute disruptive editing as well?Emiya1980 (talk) 01:50, 6 August 2017 (UTC)Emiya1980

I only saw, and corrected, the numbering system. The rest, I'm not sure about. Whatever the case may be, changing the status quo of the numbering system across many articles is disruptive, and when reverted by that user, you should have stopped and discussed it with him/her, instead of reverting back. Same goes for the rest of the reverts. As far as the numbering system he was correct in reverting to the status quo. Dr. K. 01:59, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry!

I'm not used to read edit summaries from Talk Pages of another users. Have a nice day! ~Solstice Prince 19:39, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Hagal dune field

On 11 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hagal dune field, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the dunes of the Hagal dune field on Mars (detail pictured) look like dots and dashes, and are called the "Martian Morse Code"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hagal dune field. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hagal dune field), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 00:02, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Mount Athos flag's RfC outcome - take it to DRN/Mediation?

Dr.K., as you probably noticed, the RfC at Talk:Mount Athos was closed by Winged Blades of Godric who commented on the (obvious) result: that there was no consensus for the proposed inclusion - the side that supported the flag's inclusion had a slight majority, but this wasn't enough for building a solid consensus, sadly. However, I am delighted that Winged Blades of Godric has, at the same time, acknowledged a very important (but obvious) fact: that there were not any strong grounds to exclude the flag from the infobox. Those who opposed the flag's inclusion, lacked any strong arguments - some of them didn't even provide any arguments and rather had it linked to ridiculous preconditions and demands.

Yes, it is sad, but at least I am very grateful that a third uninvolved party acknowledged how weak their arguments were, and that the RfC failed only due to lack of consensus. However, Wikipedia has made it clear what can be done in such cases: disputes that cannot be resolved due to lack of consensuses, can be resolved by bringing the cases to dispute resolutions, such as the DRN or RfM.

I am sure you agree that this dispute should have been resolved much sooner, if it weren't for the obsession and tendentious edits of certain editors, however the project allows us to resolve the case with the mediation of third, uninvolved parties which weight on the arguments and strong points of each side, taking in account the sources and the editor's NPOV concerns, and try to build a new consensus. The dispute has not been resolved yet, and currently, the Wikipedia's article about Mount Athos does not reflect on the reality and the indisputable facts. may I ask, what could you suggest me to do? Bring the case to dispute resolution, or give it some time, or just drop it? --❤ SILENTRESIDENT ❤ 19:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi SR. I agree with your well-made points. I also think the closer did a great job. I actually wanted to ask him when he will run for admin so that I can support him/her. But I opted to just use the thanks button instead. You fought a gallant battle to keep that artifact in the infobox and I tried to assist you as much as I could out of respect for you as an editor and respect of the historical traditions of that holy place. It seems that other parties have no limits on the bickering, PAs, and other low-level editing tactics they want to employ over such small matters as including a flag at the infobox. However, I do. I can spend so much time bickering and getting attacked by the usual suspect, but there are so many wonderful subjects that need to be made into articles, and DYKs, so that the reading masses can enjoy the wonders, and sheer beauty, of nature. Why then, would I choose to argue with them, rather than create well-referenced, interesting, DYK-stats-worthy articles? There is no comparison. I choose the latter hands down. The only thing I regret is that I did not help you enough to achieve what you wanted regarding the flag, although, that was not for lack of trying. In any case, if you choose to pursue it further, I will try to help you, albeit from the sidelines. For the time being, I suggest, take a break from this subject, think it over, and when you find that you want to ask for more wiki input, drop me a line. Take care. Dr. K. 01:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

If Winged Blades of Godric ever runs for administrator, I will wholeheartedly support their bid. This is the least I can do. As for you, you did fine and I am not disappointed at all, nor I am asking from you to help me more than you have already done so far. As for the Flag in Athos, I decided to bring the dispute to the Mediation or the Dispute Resolution Noticeboards, not now, but soon, and you are welcome to participate in it if you feel. Have a good day. :-) --❤ SILENTRESIDENT ❤ 07:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Question of "Fluff"

Hi, I would like to ask if sentence is a fluff statement. "In 2017, Ryu featured in The King, which won him the Best New Actor award in film at the Baeksang Arts Awards." Because a user keeps reverting my edits on the page.

Please help advise. Thanks. 61.6.77.169 (talk) 23:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi anon. It depends how notable these awards are. From what I saw in the relevant article, I think they are ok to be mentioned in that BLP and I don't think they are fluff. Dr. K. 23:33, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi I am the previous user. I do not understand why the the user keeps accusing me of adding fancruft: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryu_Jun-yeol&action=history. Can you advise which part of it is fancruft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.137.42 (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi anon. I made a dummy edit supporting your edit. Let's see what happens. Thanks for the message. All the best. Dr. K. 21:59, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Abalos Undae

On 23 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Abalos Undae, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Martian dunes of the Abalos Undae (pictured) may have formed from erosion of Rupes Tenuis, the polar scarp? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Abalos Undae. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Abalos Undae), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 00:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey

I'm trying to improve the following article: Monsta X discography and I was hoping you could answer one of my questions. It's about the music video section. I've tried to look up the guidelines for the discographies but I'm still not sure what to do. K-pop groups have so many music videos and special clips etc. especially this group so do we have to include every music video an artist has released or only the music videos for the title tracks?--Thebestwinter (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

ANI Notice

Enough time was wasted already for this case. It was resolved at ANI already. More lecturing and bickering will add nothing of value. Thanks for your participation.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Project MKUltra. Guy Macon (talk) 16:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Next time you find yourself in this sort of situation, a report to WP:ANEW or WP:FTN is the appropriate response, not... however many reverts that was. GoldenRing (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2017 (UTC) @GoldenRing: That was a clear case of vandalism, including unsourced BLP violations about the the former president Barack Obama. Also included in most of the edits were threats against the reverting editors: example 1, example 2, example 3. I am astonished at your suggestion. Dr. K. 16:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC) My apologies - I'd not spotted the AIV report. GoldenRing (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC) @GoldenRing: For the record, there is a weird sequence of events associated with my AIV report: I reported the IP at AIV at at :33 past the hour, then, a minute later, vandal 83.246.232.21 removed my report, subsequently, Jim1138 at almost exactly the same time as the IP removed it, added his own report. Seeing that AIV was not responding, I then opened a section at ANI, which finally worked thanks to swift admin action by Malcolmxl5. Dr. K. 18:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Well, again, my apologies for reacting as though you were purely edit-warring. GoldenRing (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Apology accepted GoldenRing. No problem. Things happen. This all started with the ANI report by Guy Macon. I respect Guy as an editor, but his report was as surprising as it was weird. Dr. K. 18:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Dr. K., I completely agree that the ANI wasn't necessary here. I do suggest though, that once an IP had rapidly restored the vandalism for the ~6th time and they'd been reported to AIV, it would be better to wait until they were blocked to fix the issue in the article. That avoids having 50 or whatever reverts in the article history. VQuakr (talk) 19:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC) @VQuakr: I had reported the vandal, and reverted the BLP violations four times, but by the fifth time the IP started leaving in-article threats; Note: If the below case is deleted, all users involved with deleting this modern case with actual get reported. in addition to the hoax and BLP issues. There was no way this could stay in the article. Dr. K. 19:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Looking at the article more closely, I agree. If there had been any hint of what was going on in the edit summaries, I most likely would not have filed the ANI report. A few "reverting BLP violation", "AIV isn't working" and "removing in-article threats" edit summaries among the long string of uncommented reverts would have made the situation a lot more clear to someone like me seeing 50 reverts in a row. In pact. policy requires that you do so: "The following reverts are exempt from the edit-warring policy ... If you are claiming an exemption, make sure there is a clearly visible edit summary or separate section of the talk page that explains the exemption." --Source: [ WP:3RRNO ]. I'm just saying. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2017 (UTC) @Guy Macon: First, let's debunk a few myths. There weren't 50 reverts. Let's look at the IP contributions. It made 25 edits, of which the last three were pure vandalism, containing only threats against editors. 9 of the IP edits were reverted as pure vandalism because they contained a mixture of in-article threats and text. The other 10 reverts contained hoax and BLP violations. From these, one was reverted by you, another by VQuakr, and a third by Jim1138. When you tell me to use edit-summaries, you rolled-back without any edit-summary the very same edit by the IP, even minus the in-article threats. So presumably, you knew they were vandalism. Filing an ANI report against me about an edit you had rolled-back yourself without an edit-summary, because you presumably knew it was disruptive, and then demand from me to use an edit-summary for the very same edit, or worse, is a bit ironic. But I had also used an edit summary for my first revert: Bring the source first, then you add this crap., so presumably everyone knew that what I was reverting was disruptive crap. Dr. K. 20:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC) To be clear, the IP was definitely posting disruptive crap. But once they clearly are going to be blocked, it would be better to wait until they are blocked to revert the vandalism for the last time - getting into an "undo" button-mashing contest with an IP troll doesn't help WP and it clogs the page history. VQuakr (talk) 22:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC) I understand the logic, and this works on some milder vandalism cases, but I considered this case to be worse than most. Also AIV was unusually slow last night. Normally, these IPs get blocked rather fast. Leaving this crap and the warning that the "NSA is going to get you", or that Dr.K. and Jim1138 are going to be reported to the Feds, etc, not to mention that Barack Obama talked to the torturer, is not something that I will leave in the article, especially if it is going to be hours before anyone acts. I kept reverting hoping that someone was going to stop this disruption, as is usually the case. But once I detected that AIV was not responding, I tried to speed up the process by going to ANI and it worked. Would a slight clogging of the edit-history outweigh the vandalism, BLP risks and Google picking up the vandalised version and broadcasting it into the wider Internet? Let's just agree to disagree on that. Dr. K. 22:38, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Can we agree that you failed to follow our policy at WP:3RRNO ("If you are claiming an exemption [to the 3RR rule], make sure there is a clearly visible edit summary or separate section of the talk page that explains the exemption")? My one revert was not a case of claiming an exemption to the 3RR rule. Some sort of indication that you understand this and will follow the policy the next time you claim an exception to 3RR would put this issue to bed. If you don't think that the policy applies to you, we need to discuss this further. BTW, many editors who revert think that what they are reverting is "destructive crap", but 3RRNO has no destructive crap clause. You need to specify what part of the 3RRNO exception you are claiming. Either that or don't go past 3RR. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:30, 1 September 2017 (UTC) I repeat myself. As you know, we use rollback only in cases of obvious vandalism. I copy part of my reply to you from above. "When you tell me to use edit-summaries, you rolled-back without any edit-summary the very same edit by the IP, even minus the in-article threats. So presumably, you knew they were vandalism. Filing an ANI report against me about an edit you had rolled-back yourself without an edit-summary, because you presumably knew it was disruptive, and then demand from me to use an edit-summary for the very same edit, or worse, is a bit ironic." So you misused rollback, if you really thought it was not clear vandalism. Rollback misuse is not a good thing. But I will not press the issue against you for misusing rollback. But don't come here lecturing me about WP:3RRNO in cases of vandalism. I don't need to discuss anything with you. If you don't understand where you went wrong, after I explained this in detail to you, I have nothing further to discuss with you, as that would be an utter WP:WASTEOFTIME, of which I have already wasted enough. Dr. K. 00:44, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

This Barnstar is for you!

		The Typo Team Barnstar
		Needless to say, you just saved me from a double WP:TYOP embarrassment or my newly-created article titles. I can't believe I did this unusual mistake. Thank you very much for your time in correcting the typos. -- SILENTRESIDENT 16:16, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Hahaha! Thank you so much SR. I had no clue there was such a barnstar. It just shows your resourcefulness. As far as the typo, it's endemic in this business. It happens to everyone. Even to editors like yourself who rarely, if ever, make tyops. Oops! Dr. K. 16:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I do not have Competence Issues

Stop insulting me with such assertions. I have discussed with Khirurg on this Issue on talk, which you don't even seem to be aware of despite being given invitations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Aseem (talk • contribs)

Hopefully, you know that I was referring to this edit of yours here. I saw that you added this source: <ref>https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsjeV0G3Krb8QQzLgyxOunu7AAmlQYEz0Md7hj6ifiHigYiUG6_8yqqacwLg</ref>, which is absolute garbage. It is a Wikipedia map reproduced in someone's strange url. If you think this is a reliable source, you have serious issues. I also saw the discussion on the talkpage, where your arguments appear repetitious and not convincing at all. Based on your previous behaviour as an IP, including serious POV-pushing coupled with relentless edit-warring and misstatements, your past gross personal attacks, your behaviour on the article talkpage, and that garbage source you added, including the other source, which does open to any text, I determined that you have competence issues. If you want to be taken seriously you have to act in a serious, or much more competent way. Dr. K. 16:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Siton Undae

On 10 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Siton Undae, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Martian dunes of Siton Undae are mostly composed of volcanic glass? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Siton Undae. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Siton Undae), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Current roster AEK B.C.

where is the current roster of AEK B.C.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vamian (talk • contribs) 19:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Martin A. Armstrong

An article that you have been involved in editing—Martin A. Armstrong—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Ratel (talk) 06:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Re:Talk:Bartholomew I of Constantinople

No problem. I figured it'd be best to shut that down before ANI got involved. 74.70.146.1 (talk) 04:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

LOL. This is one for the books. :) You are a great editor, that's for sure. Thanks again. Dr. K. 04:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Talk page

I can't edit my own comments either? —Ninjoust (talk) 06:46, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:REDACT for the rules about that. --T*U (talk) 07:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Hyperboreae Undae

On 19 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hyperboreae Undae, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the two distinct forms of the Martian dunes of Hyperboreae Undae apparently cannot coexist? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperboreae Undae. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hyperboreae Undae), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 12:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Well.... This is new

Take a look at Mhhossein asking Oshwah how to sockpuppet report Dr. K, and then Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Icewhiz. So in short - he wanted to report anyone (starting with you, then reporting me after he didn't manage due to a page block for past vandalism) who disagreed with him on Ali Khamenei‎. I'm sure there is some sort of rule against such groundless behavior which might be worthwhile pursuing after the Sockpuppet investigation comes up as groundless - I'm away travelling the next few days, so I won't be on top of this, but might be able to chime in during the evenings (assuming I have wifi for my laptop). Keep me posted if you do anything.Icewhiz (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Icewhiz. Yes, it is new. It is also WP:DISRUPTive and WP:CLUEless. I opened an ANI report about this clueless disruption in an area covered by ARB/PIA. Dr. K. 17:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Aspledon Undae

On 21 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Aspledon Undae, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Martian dunes of Aspledon Undae may have formed due to erosion of part of the Planum Boreum? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Aspledon Undae. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Aspledon Undae), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 00:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)