Archives[edit]

Thanks for the comment[edit]

Thank you for your concern. I agree that I have been a little too hyperactive on Wikipedia lately, but that's because I have a lot of free time on my hands off late. Probably by June or so I will get into a normal rhythm, & become a normal active user.

Cheers

Srik e it^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 02:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you![edit]

Hello, Deepfriedokra/Archive 2, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! Radio Kirk talk to me 05:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Arte _mecco[edit]

You had the right idea, the article is a blantant copyvio. For this instead of using a {{copyvio}} tag, a {{db-copyvio}} would have been better. This is a tag for speedy deletion on grounds of a copyvio. Also inform the user with this template {{ subst:nothanks-sd|pg=Article |url=http://google.com }} (replace "Article" with the name of the article & http://google.com with the url where it has been copied from. If the user removes the template or places a {{hangon}} (warn him in the first case not to remove deletion notices), then you can nominate the article at AFD. Go to the above provided link & follow the three steps shown how to nominate an article for deletion. Either way the article has got to go. I guess you found out the article so you should get to do the "honours" ;).

Hope that clears it up

Srik e it^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 01:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Love Song (AC/DC song)[edit]

I've deleted that article, even if it wasn't copyvio an article of some lyrics doesn't meet the standards for inclusion. I left the creator a generic test message on their talk. Thanks, — xaosflux ^Talk 04:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What he said. Mak (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond D. Mindlin un-tagged for speedy deletion[edit]

Mindlin is an award-winning scientist and therefore IMO quite notable. I've removed the speedy tag. Hope you don't mind. -- PFHLai 04:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was the newbie's first ever edit. Let's give him/her a break. :-) I've left a brief note on the author's usertalkpage, asking for specific stuffs for the article. Hope this helps. Cheers. -- PFHLai 04:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Starstreams[edit]

Thank you for alerting me about User:Starstreams. On Waveform records, I found nonsense like "...visited the UFO filled canyons of Sedona, Arizona, and mind melded with Musical Starstreams radio producer and host Forest ..." ??? That's silly. I've tagged it for a speedy.

The rest of the contributions from this user, I dunno. Not sure about notability of Musical Starstreams. An external link to its webpage is found on an earlier (March '06) version of Ambient music. So maybe it's well established in its field. If you are concerned, please free feel to add a {{prod}}.

No need to thank me. We are all doing our part in maintaining our Wiki. Good night, Dlohcierekim. Sweet dreams. -- PFHLai 05:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changing vote[edit]

See an example of this vote change. Change:

# '''Weak Oppose'''. to
#: <s>'''Weak Oppose'''</s>.

add your additional vote in the Neutral or Support sections, and then update the count. Hope this helps, ~ PseudoSudo 16:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, saw the context in your contribs; I mean "Oppose". Yeah, the '#:' indents the message without disrupting the numbering. ~ PseudoSudo 16:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

my rfa[edit]

thanks Dlohcierekim for your additional question on my rfa and you sympathy, i have now answerd it, thanks Benon 23:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RFA#BrownHairedGirl[edit]

Thanks for taking the time to vote on my RFA. I have learnt a lot from everyone's comments, particularly those who voted to oppose my self-nomination — it's all educational! --BrownHairedGirl 09:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vale Tudo[edit]

Vale Tudo 06:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Vale Tudo Gracie Family article was in existence long before I joined this site, I merely edited some of the names to link to their pages.[reply]

Ninja[edit]

Dude you're like a ninja. I hadn't even finished tidying up my talk entry and you'd already edited the imageshack one ;)--Crossmr 06:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slow down there old chap![edit]

Hi,

I'd appreciate it if you gave me time to finish my articles before you mark them for quick deletion.

I can accept that you find the concepts non-notable, notability is to some extent a subjective matter.

Gary Burchell has done some interesting work in the area of Work/Life balance when applied to interpersonal relationships, you will note that I have started to explain the basic concepts^[1], but I have not done a bio on Gary Burchell as I do not consider him to be notable, merely his work on relationships.

Regards,

Chris.

Speedy deletes on schools[edit]

Hi Dlohcierekim! You recently tagged (using VandalProof) a school article for speedy deletion.

The article qualified for speedy deletion under CSD-A1 Very short articles providing little or no context and/or CSD-A3 No content whatsoever. Any article consisting only of links elsewhere (including hyperlinks, category tags and "see also" sections), a rephrasing of the title, and/or attempts to correspond with the person or group named by its title.

The article did not qualify for speedy deletion as CSD-A7 Unremarkable people or groups/Vanity Pages. An article about a real person, group of people, band, or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject.

Unfortunately, CSD-A7 does not apply to schools. WP:AfD has set the precedent that all schools are notable.

Please only tag schools for deletion under one of the other speedy criteria. Thanks! ➨ ≡Я Ξ DVΞRS≡ 22:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for voting on my RfA[edit]

Thanks so much for voting!

Thanks so much for voting on my request for adminship. I have decided to withdraw my nomination as it seems that consensus will not be reached. If you voted in support, thanks for putting your trust in me to be a good admin. If you voted in opposition, thank you as well for your constructive criticism as it will only help me be a better Wikipedian and perhaps help if/when I apply for adminship again sometime in the future.

Mahoga ny

Thanks for voting in my RfA![edit]

I loved your comment, and thanks for your vote in my RfA! I wish I had thought to say that... the nomination did not gain consensus, but it was a great learning experience and I'm glad I accepted. Thanks again! - Amgine 19:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Specialist admins[edit]

Hi, thanks for your note. There is a discussion now! Please add to it. Tyrenius 03:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WT:RFA[edit]

Was there a reason you removed a number of comments from WT:RFA (this diff) or was it one of these roving bizarre text removal bugs we've been having lately? Essjay (Talk • Connect) 13:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Essjay beat me to your talk page this time ;-). I fixed the page already because it snagged me in an edit conflict (and I had to restore it before I could add my comment). NoSeptember ^talk 13:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Guises of The Morrigan AfD[edit]

I was basing my assessment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents#Literature. (These aren't meant to be policies on what's notable, but summaries of what's survived or fallen in AfD attempts in the past.) Given the number of websites that mirror Wikipedia, copying our material uncritically, I'd say that 193 google hits is tiny. This article has been on Wikipedia for almost exactly a year, so there's been lots of time for different sites to copy it over. See also Talk:The Guises of The Morrigan for the background to this AfD nomination. Quartier Latin1968 19:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RFA[edit]

Hi Deepfriedokra/Archive 2,

Thank you for any constructive criticism you may have given in my recent unsuccesful RFA. I will strive to overcome any shortcomings you may have mentioned & will try & prove myself worthy of your vote in the future.

Cheers

Srik e it^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 09:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unemployment Action Center[edit]

Hey. Thanks for prodding the article and deprodding it yourself, it looks like. Google is not everything. The non-profit org is real, it's been around for 20 years, it's underwritten by seven major law schools, and the article is short, but high quality. I am glad you allowed it to stay - there's really no reason to delete it, even though it may not have the largest number of google hits. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 03:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you[edit]

Dear Deepfriedokra/Archive 2 — Thank you for your support on my recent RfA. It succeeded with a final tally of 72/2/0 and I am now an administrator. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the new tools, but please let me know if there's any adminnery I can help you with in the future. —Wh o uk (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Hi Dlohcierekim, thanks for supporting my request for adminship! Unfortunately, it ended with a final tally of 45/15/2, no consensus. I may have another go in the near future, once the school year is over. Thanks again! -- getcrunk juice ^contribs 22:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

88.196 vandal[edit]

Hi Dlohcierekim. No problem reverting the vandalism to your user page. Glad I could help. Regarding the vandal. I haven't seen this one before. Whois tells me its coming through RIPE Network Coordination Centre in Amsterdam who are (I think) a domain registrar. The last IP used to vandalize your page was assigned to Elion Enterprises Limited in Estonia. They have the IP range 88.196.24.0 - 88.196.25.255, so they are most likely a local ISP providing rotating IPs to users.

I'm guessing the only way to combat this would be to put an IP address range block on 88.196.24.0 - 88.196.25.255, which would catch a number of valid user accounts too, so admins are going to be reluctant to do it. I'm not entirely sure where the best place to report this is. You could indeed try going to the Admin noticeboard. I might try approaching an experienced admin directly first, though. Get their advice on the best way to proceed. They may be willing to put the block in place themselves or at least guide you to the right place to report it.

I hope this is of some help. Sorry you've been the victim of this vandal. By the way, I've seen your name popping up in a number of places like RfA and AfD. You're doing great work here on Wikipedia. Keep it up. All the best, Gw e rnol 14:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glad the vandalism isn't bothering you. It seems to be an occupational hazard of vandal fighting, I'm afraid. I usually take these things to mean I've been effective against the vandals: if they resort to vandalizing my user page at least they aren't vandalizing a real Wikipedia article. If you're not looking to have the range blocked, then I think alerting the admins on the noticeboard is a good idea. Best, Gw e rnol 15:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jawohl, etc[edit]

Easy for you - I've just discovered that I'm 1/64th Malaysian... I'd have to learn a new alphabet before I could do the same joke... Vizjim 15:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trados[edit]

Hi, Why not just speedy delete the thing? :) Dlohcierekim 19:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I want to give the author or another editor a chance to show that the software is notable. I suspect that it may not be but there is nothing wrong with giving someone the opportunity to try. (aeropagitica) (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Welcome But ...[edit]

I've been editing Wikipedia for over a year now. I'm what is known as an exopedian, i.e. I prefer not to register. My IP address just tends to shift. Thanks anyway though.

User talk:Dlohcierekim[edit]

Thank you for experimenting with the page User talk:166.102.89.50 on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. --166.102.89.50 01:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Above warning was apparently in resopnse to THIS/ Awaiting answer to my query. :) Dlohcierekim 01:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you brought a book. --166.102.89.50 01:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User talk::172.214.7.180[edit]

Hi Dlohcierekim, you just missed me last night. I have had a look at the comments you made on the above talk page. Personally I don't think you overreacted, although I do think it's generally a bad idea to use the vandalism warning templates in relation to a comment made in any of the various talk/consensus gathering areas. The guy, or possibly gal, is one of those problem editors who appear to have some grasp of policy regarding vandals/trolls etc. and try to stick just to the right side of the rule (although, I agree, the first edit was vandalism). I've had trolls in the past who have tried to split hairs over exactly what our policies mean by vandalism, attacking, civility etc., the best thing you can do is not back down and try to explain that their edits, however they wish to define them, are totally inappropriate and will be dealt with. Don't let to trolls bully you or make you question yourself. Yours, Rje 12:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetcorn[edit]

Hi, You reverted an edit I'd made to the Sweetcorn page because you (presumably) weren't convinced it was used as a pizza topping - I assure you that in the UK at least it's quite common. C.f. the menus on [1], for example. Cheers, --JennyRad 14:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alexa[edit]

You're going to feel silly when I tell you how easy it is. Go to www.alexa.com. Click on "Traffic Rankings". Type in the domain name. An entire domain gets added together, so if you type in "randomforumname.invisionfree.com" you get the total for invisionfree, which is a free forum hosting service, and has a very good rank of 346. Doesn't tell you anything about that forum. Fan1967 18:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks[edit]

Thanks

Deepfriedokra/Archive 2, thank you you so much for validating my RfA! I am grateful for all the supportive comments, and have taken both the positive and constructive on board. If I can ever make any improvements or help out in any way, please let me know, ditto if you see me stumble! Thanks again for your much appreciated support. Deizio talk 18:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

catching copyvios[edit]

Just pick out sentences that sound like they come from a press release, or just don't fit, and then google them with exact quotes. Night Gyr 23:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Highway's RfA[edit]

File:Pikachu plastic toy.JPG

Me relaxing...

Request for Adminship

Thank you for supporting/objecting/tropicanising me in my request for Adminship. Although I wasn't promoted to admin status, with a final vote count of 14/27/12, I am very happy with the response I received from my fellow Wikipedians. I was pleasantly suprised at the support, and was touched by it. I will also work harder on preventing disputes and boosting my edit count (which is on the up), so thank you to all your objectors. Hopefully I will re-apply soon and try again for the mop. Thanks again, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers}

Thanks[edit]

Heh... thanks for the smiley. That's a new one. Looking at your userpage, I wonder who you are? --Deathphoenix ʕ 02:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy tag[edit]

Thanks. Just a bored librarian wasting time. Czolgolz 03:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Funnybunny RfA[edit]

Good catch on User:The Republican redirecting to User:The Gerg I hadn't noticed that. You're right, something does not smell right about this one. It also ties into User:GT's oppose comment on the RfA. Either way, I hope you get a good night's sleep (and the Wikistress isn't too bad). Best, Gw e rnol 04:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sukh's RFA - Thanks![edit]

Thank you for your vote on my RfA. Unfortunately there was no consensus reached at 43 support, 18 oppose and 8 neutral. I've just found out that there is a feature in "my preferences" that forces me to use edit summaries. I've now got it enabled :) Thanks again. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RFA[edit]

Thank you, Dlohcierekim, for voting in my RFA. It closed with a final result of 75/1/0. Now that I am an administrator here, I will continue to improve this encyclopedia, using my new tools to revert vandalism, block persistent vandals, protect pages that have been vandalized intensively, and close AFD discussions. Any questions? Please contact me by adding a new section on my talk page. Again, thanks to all of you who participated!!! -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VandalProof 1.2 Now Available[edit]

After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! --AmiDaniel (talk) 02:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you[edit]

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails.

Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales.

If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate.

For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate!

♫Bucketsofg✐♪

Tim Kevan[edit]

Hi, I notice you tagged this article for speedy deletion and then removed the tag as the subject has some claims to notability. Do you think it could be a candidate for deletion anyway? Wikipedia:Autobiography says that autobiographies are usually listed for deletion, but I can't find any mention of the fact at Wikipedia:Deletion_policy. I'm not sure whether an author of 9 books in a specialist field counts as notable or not, though it's telling that the article doesn't have any incoming links. I've not had anything to do with AFD so far so I wouldn't feel too confident about listing it myself, seeing as it could be a controversial issue. Thanks, Blisco 21:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your advice, I'll leave it be. Blisco 15:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jim "Senor" Fraser[edit]

LOL, I don't know. Do you have AIM? KC9CQJ 04:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ulter-Bes tagged for speedy deletion[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ulter-Bes, has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. :) Dlohcierekim 14:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvios[edit]

When you list a copyvio, it's convenient to copy a bit of text found at the top of the copyvio template and paste it to the log (the bit that starts with an asterisk and ends with 4 tildes). You may also add a {{nothanks}} template to the poster's talk page (this would be User talk:Rossf18, not User talk:RossF18). Full inctructions are at WP:CP#Instructions.

I've listed Stetson University Law School. Conscious 04:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just one more note: when listing copyvios, please don't forget to give the source and sign the message. Conscious 06:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AIV[edit]

Hi, just to let you know that when you add an IP to the WP:AIV page it is much better to use the form IP (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), as opposed to username (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). --Wisd e n17 19:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No need[edit]

There's no need for the welcome. While I appreciate the sentiment, just check my IP's contribs and you'll see that I've signed them. I'm an established user here just editing under an IP, and a temporary one at that. Thanks. -- Nathan ^(talk)

Merci beaucoup![edit]

Thank you,Deepfriedokra/Archive 2!
Thank you for voting for my recent RfA, which passed (to my extreme surprise and shock) with a total tally of 66/15/2. Although you didn't give me a support vote, I would nevertheless like to thank you for your helpful comments and offer a helping hand in any admin-related tasks that may be required -- it's as simple as leaving a message on my talkpage. Thanks again! -→Buchanan-Hermit ™/!? 22:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC) [reply]

I'm pretty sure George Orwell intended Big Brother to be a Ceiling Cat. It kinda makes sense. ;) -→Buchanan-Hermit ™/!? 03:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to WP:AIV[edit]

You list yourself as the vandal, I suspect that that is a vandalproof error, what vandal is it supposed to be? JoshuaZ 00:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

EWS23's RfA[edit]

Hello Dlohcierekim! Thank you very much for your kind words and support at my request for adminship. Your comments were easily one of the most researched of the entire RfA, and I really appreciate you going through the trouble of looking indepth. I don't know what more to say...your words really helped make my month. Thanks again, and if you ever see me doing anything that I could be doing better, please send me a message. E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Dlohcierekim![edit]

Hello Dlohcierekim, thanks for being nice and tipping me off about anons on my user page. Maybe you're required to do that. hmmm, I guess it makes no difference...Anyway, thanks! Elfred 21:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Blocking vandals[edit]

It depends on a lot of factors... since blocking is supposed to be preventative, rather than punitive, sometimes we'll leave them alone if they stop. If they have a history of taking it to the edge and stopping, we'll block them anyway. I try to take each one individually and, as far as I'm concerned, you're not wasting anyone's time. Keep up the good work! :) RadioKirk talk to me 15:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, use your judgment in each individual case. Also, don't be afraid to include details in your AIV report; it takes a few extra second to type something like, "previously blocked, vandalizing again" or whatever fits. If you catch someone vandalizing en masse, get 'em up on AIV as fast as you can. :) RadioKirk talk to me 22:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my userpage. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 22:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CorbinSimpson's Request for Adminship[edit]

Thanks for voting in my request for administrator rights, even though it failed (13/30/4). Sadly, work has forced me to respond to you all using a substituted message rather than a personalized response. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that administrators, to me, should be chosen and approved by the community, and I will continue working to become a better editor and Wikipedian. No matter what the alignment of your vote was, I will take your comments seriously and use them to improve myself. If you wish to discuss your comments personally with me, I would be more than glad to talk about things since the RfA is now over; just leave your concern on my talk page and we will sort things out. Thanks again for voting, and happy editing! - Corbin ^{Be excellent}

Thank you[edit]

I just wanted to say thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page. It really means a lot to me, as the vandalism on my page has been shooting up over the past few days. — Brenden h ull 01:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sorry[edit]

I'm sorry but, what? ILove Plankton ⁽ ^L⁾ 03:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Community Justice[edit]

Hi, thanks for the note on my talk page. I've also had an uneasy feeling about Community Justice, but initially thought that I'd give it the benefit of the doubt and jumped in to see how things would develop when it started around a month ago. Originally, I understood the concept was some sort of complement to Esperanza, although I was hesitant that it would duplicate the same goals. As time passed, though, nothing much happened other than an election (which I didn't really feel was necessary), a newsletter (also unnecessary) and the creation of a few templates (mixed feelings).

After about a month without any significant contributions towards the encyclopedia as a whole, I dropped a note on the group's talk page intended to spark discussion on how they wished to form their goals. By that time, I had become rather skeptical of a need for CJ, but was hopeful that if the members would define their aspirations, they would either find a meaningful purpose for it, or decide that it was unnecessary and contribute elsewhere. Reaction to my suggestion was minimal, and I decided that I could make more productive contributions elsewhere; I explained my frustrations on my talk page to an inquiring editor if you'd care to read them.

For now, I intend to stay out of Community Justice until the point at which it can clearly define a unique, significant purpose that will meaningfully contribute to Wikipedia. Most of the users involved have their hearts in the right place; while I agree that it has been a largely unproductive timesink, I believe some of the comments voiced on the matter at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Computerjoe 3 have been vindictive rather than constructive... a failed attempt to promote a Wikipedia standard is nothing to get bent out of shape about. Really, your own comment sums up my feelings as well: "I'm not sure what more WP:CJ needs or intends to accomplish. I support the goal of promoting civility, but don't see WP:CJ as the means to that end."

Thanks for asking for my two cents. I'll watch for anything you'd care to add here on your talk page. Tijuana Brass^E@ 16:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^ Yes they are quirkily named, but I did not name them.

[1] Yes they are quirkily named, but I did not name them.

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