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Hi. Your bot here is replacing pages viewable through Google books, by Archive.com links that require registration and limited time for perusal (14 days). I am not sure this is an improvement, as Google books pages are viewable by almost anyone almost anytime, and allow for an easy reading of the references by going directly to the referenced page. Can you disable this kind of replacements, which I am afraid are not in the interest of the Wikipedia reader? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

You can view limited portions for free without registration just like Googlge. If you want to view the entire book (page 1-end) you can do that also, with free registration. Google Books does not offer that ability, they do not allow you to view the entire book (unless in the PD). Google is a commercial book seller exactly like Amazon.com "Look Inside". Internet Archive is a non-profit public library that lends books. There is consensus to favor non-profit sources see WP:AFFILIATE. Google Book links are unreliable and unstable over time whereas Internet Archive is one of the most stable sites on the Internet (they run the Wayback Machine) see Wikipedia:Google Books and Wikipedia. If you still prefer to link to an un-stable commercial book seller website, then revert the bot, it won't replace again. -- GreenC 16:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
@GreenC: Thank you for your explanations! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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ACC

Hi cyberpower, could you please reactivate my account on the ACC tool? The account might need it's CheckUser permission re authorised too. I'm expecting that I'll have some more time to spend on CU stuff now. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding level 1 warning about removing AfD template from articles

The action was taken as per deletion decision Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smooth Operator (bull) and after consensus. The author of the page is working with another author, for the creation of this article. For ref see (Talk:List of Professional Bull Riders Champions#International champions). Amkgp (talk) 19:52, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding level 1 warning about removing AfD template from articles

About this edit, I replaced the wrong deletion template AfD with the MfD as it was a renomination. Now both templates are present. My apologies for the confusion. Can you fix it? Ms4263nyu (talk) 14:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129 moved the page now it's fine. Cheers!

James Longstreet

Hello. For the third time, InternetArchiveBot removed perfectly good Google books links at James Longstreet. Can you please do something to prevent this from happening again? Thank you. Display name 99 (talk) 17:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Display name 99, please talk to GreenC about the issue.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Display name 99, there was a bug in the bot, fixed yesterday, it should not happen again. If it does notify me on my talk page and I will investigate. -- GreenC 17:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about IABot behaviour and run pattern at gl.wiki

Hi Cyberpower678. Last week I modified the settings for IABot at gl.wiki, setting it to not leave any modification or error message in the talk pages as we do not really use them for much and they are really not needed for us. However after changing those it seems the bot has completely stopped running on our wiki. Is this a normal behaviour (maybe because it is really running but not finding anything that needs changes) or have I inadvertently "broken" it somehow? Could you please take a look if everything is ok on the bot for our site? Thank you! Banjo (talk) 13:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Banjo, I'll take a look in a moment.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

https://www.https/

[1] - is it correct work? Can you not place links to this strange site? Yes, the link contained an error, but after the bot works, only the error remains, and the normal link is simply deleted. --Туча (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Туча, please read GIGO—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Any comment a new AN3 case about Uncyclopedia?

Hi Cyberpower678. You tried to help out with the Uncyclopedia dispute back in August, 2019. See Talk:Uncyclopedia/Archive 5#What I'm seeing here as an admin. Do you have any wisdom to share at WP:AN3#User:BFDIBebble_reported_by_User:Kevindongyt_(Result: )? Any claims as to which one is the one true Uncyclopedia should probably go to WP:Dispute resolution. At present I'm not impressed by the behavior of either side, but the full protection will cool things for now. EdJohnston (talk) 04:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2020).

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readded Callanecc

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readded HJ Mitchell

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ReFill

Hello! I saw somewhere that you might be working on the code for ReFill. Is that the case? I am looking for somewhere to make suggestions.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Book talk missing title and missing end tag for italics, small, bold errors

I first reported this issue over 6 months ago. You said, "so I will need to find a moment to investigate this." Will you please do so? It won't go away until you fix it. Anomalocaris (talk) 20:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Un-archived discussion with new comment:

Cyberpower678: You deleted the following discussion without taking action. The last time, you ultimately did solve the problem, and I'm confident you will solve this one also. Please do not remove this discussion from your talk page without at least acknowledging. I don't want to go through a long cycle of dredging it up from the page history over and over, like last time. (I have edited my previous comment slightly, mainly inserting several missing right parentheses.) —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

You are messing up italics and titles in Book talk articles.

{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''|GA|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
causing a missing end tag for italics ('') and title not displaying where needed; should be (and I fixed it to)
{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''Number 1's''|GA|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''|GA|chapter=Album|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
causing a missing end tag for italics ('') and title not displaying where needed; should be (and I fixed it to)
{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''Number 1's''|GA|chapter=Album|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
{{book report|''Stargate: The Ark of Truth|The Ark of Truth''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted and I fixed it again to)
{{book report|Stargate: The Ark of Truth|''The Ark of Truth''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
{{book report|''Stargate: Continuum|Continuum''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted and I fixed it again to)
{{book report|Stargate: Continuum|''Continuum''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
{{book report|''Stargate: Revolution|Revolution''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted and I fixed it again to)
{{book report|Stargate: Revolution|''Revolution''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
{{book report|Tak to chodí|''Tak to chodí'']] <small>by [[Michal Horáček (lyricist)|Start|chapter=Compilations|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Tak to chodi front.jpg]]
causing a missing end tag for <small>; should be (and I fixed it and you reverted)
{{book report|Tak to chodí|''Tak to chodí'']] <small>by [[Michal Horáček (lyricist)</small>|Start|chapter=Compilations|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Tak to chodi front.jpg]]
{{book report|''Wieland der Schmied (libretto)|Wieland der Schmied''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted)
{{book report|Wieland der Schmied (libretto)|''Wieland der Schmied''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
{{WBOOKS|class=book}}{{book report start|<big>'''Wiki How To</big>'''|The basics of Wikipedia}}
causing misnested tags; should be (and I fixed it)
{{WBOOKS|class=book}}{{book report start|<big>'''Wiki How To'''</big>|The basics of Wikipedia}}

And similar errors that I fixed that you haven't reverted yet in:

And similar errors that I haven't fixed at Lint errors: Missing end tag in the Book talk namespace. Please deal with these errors, or at least point how to generate the list of "source code" pages and how to edit them to make the problem go away. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Anomalocaris, I'm not deleting discussions, they just get archived by a bot. I took a quick look at this issue, but nothing sticks out this time, so I will need to find a moment to investigate this.—CYBERPOWER (Trick or Treat) 22:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Well, it's been a month, so I'm reminding you to find a moment to investigate this. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Anomalocaris, thank you for the reminder.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Please find a moment to investigate this. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC) and again Anomalocaris (talk) 05:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

User:InternetArchiveBot

Is InternetArchiveBot a global bot? — Gomdoli4696 (토론) 23:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry. — Gomdoli4696 (토론) 00:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

A token of appreciation

Colorful carnations for a good day!
I'm sorry to see current state of your stress-o-meter. Not sure if I can possibly do something to help, but please know that I'd like to! Have a nice day, and if you are not fond of carnations, let me know. Ата (talk) 11:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Vervangen "dode" link door gearchiveerde link.

Hoi, waarom wordt een "dode" link klakkeloos vervangen door een gearchiveerde link? Soms, e.g. bij verenigingen, is het zo dat de verenigingswebsite is verplaats naar een ander adres. Wanneer dat het geval is, zou dat de vervanging moeten zijn. Zie hier. De website is gewijzigd van http://www.bornerbroek.nu/ naar https://rksvbornerbroek.nl/. Bij subpagina's op een domein valt er nog wel iets te zeggen voor de "archief" vervanging, maar bij hoofdpagina's (http(s)://domein/) vind ik het net iets te makkelijk. Een zo mogelijk nog mooier voorbeeld is dit. De site is niet bereikbaar (althans niet zomaar via https, fout in certificaat) en er wordt een gearchiveerde link uit 2018 neergezet die geen relevante info laat zien. Kan dat voor in ieder geval hoofdpagina's niet anders? Eerst desnoods in persoon controleren of er geen beter alternatief is. En ja, ik snap dat dit het nodige werk betekent dat niemand graag doet. Ciao --Sb008 (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot replacing archive.is URL to archive.org

Hi, a user reported on zh.wiki that he noticed the bot replaces the archive link from Archive.is to Archive.org Wayback Machine. This is undesirable because the reason he uses Archive.is to begin with is because Archive.org's engine sometimes doesn't work well on some sites (missing images, etc.).--fireattack (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Fireattack: It might be related to T245276 which is fixed but awaiting deployment. If it converted any of these three: archive.md / archive.ph / archive.vn .. this is the problem. The immediate work-around is to convert any URLs with .md/ph/vn to archive.today (or .is) .. there is a small bot running on enwiki doing it daily example. -- GreenC 17:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@GreenC:: Thanks for the info. I will ask if he can provide any examples and see if it matches the bug you linked. --fireattack (talk) 19:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

url with square brackets

Hi, InternetArchiveBot seems to have trouble with urls containing square brackets. Also the tool for reporting false positives has the same feature, so I cannot use it to report these (it truncates the url at the first square bracket). Two examples of functioning urls being reported as broken: [2] [3] Cheers, Micromesistius (talk) 20:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Micromesistius, hi there, square brackets are generally illegal, but MW seems to be gracefully encoding them. You can get around that by encoding the square brackets in the URL. The bot will recognize that. In the meantime could you please file a bug report on Phabricator? —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

IABOT Discussion

There is a discussion at the Village Pump Technical on when to use IABot to archive links. You are invited to join the conversation. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Barkeep49, Answered there. Thanks. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot in Arabic Wikipedia

Hello Cyberpower678, hope you are doing well. This a notification that your bot inactive in arwiki since more than 6 months, so per bot policy we'll remove your "bot flag" after 3 days from this notification if the bot stays inactive. Thanks on advance --Alaa :)..! 18:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

علاء, hmm, I don't even remember why the bot was turned off. If it's nothing significant, it can be turned back on at any time. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:20, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Please see "Conflict with another bot", especially last comment "I enabled the bot again and there is no conflict any more, but |archiveurl= and |archivedate= still duplicate. ◀Cyberpower678: you attention is needed.". Hope if you can fix it, as we need your bot on arwiki --Alaa :)..! 19:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
علاء, ahh, thank you. So is the general gist of this that it's creating duplicate parameters with different aliases? —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes exactly, for example last edit IAB added archiveurl/archivedate/url-status, but this reference already archived, as:

  • archiveurl = مسار أرشيف
  • archivedate = تاريخ أرشيف

And if you see the article revision you'll found that ref. 3 contains duplicated parameters --Alaa :)..! 19:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

علاء, I think I should be able to get that fixed quick-ish. But IABot is in a really broken state right now. v2.0.1 required some changes which broke things badly. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678, oh, so how much time you need (estimation)? --Alaa :)..! 19:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
علاء, ideally, at least until after Tuesday as I'm prepping for an exam on Monday. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678, okay, take your time. I'll delay the flag removing issue until you back. Good luck on your exam --Alaa :)..! 19:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Transclusion AfD notes

I've had to fix small tags twice today in that notice because it was making the entire AfD log for a day read in a much smaller font; please double-check your code. Thank you. Nate • (chatter) 03:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Mrschimpf, This comment does not help me at all. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
The small tag was not being closed at the end; see here and here. I don't know if it was a temporary bug, but I had to go into the sig and fix the tags, otherwise the entirety of the daily AfD log below the transclusion comment would be in small type due to the small tag not being closed. Nate • (chatter) 21:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Mrschimpf, The diff you showed me is not an issue with Cyberbot. It was with the person who created the AfD. Cheers. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Deploy InternetArchiveBot for Vietnamese Wikipedia

Hello Cyberpower678, long time ago I sent an message about the aprroval of Vietnamese Wikipedia to deploy InternetArchiveBot there. I wonder if this deploying still in progess, or is there any trouble prevent our community to use this tool? Please let me know if you have update for this case, best regards! --minhhuy (talk) 10:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy, My intention is to still deploy, it just got delayed due to other matters. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Good to hear that. We really hope this awesome bot come to our project soon :) --minhhuy (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Template Russiancinema

Hello. We have a template in Russian Wikipedia - ru:Template:Russiancinema - that links to 2011.russiancinema.ru and is included in more than 1500 articles. The information contained there is quite unique and the site is no longer supported. Is it possible to use your bot to remove the template, but to place an archive link in its place with the preservation of the appearance as it was? We'd really appreciate it if you could do the job. NoFrost (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

NoFrost, As long as the template is used within a cite template, it should work. If it isn't IABot will ignore it as it generally doesn't handle foreign templates. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, of course I understand that. I was hoping you wouldn't have any trouble making the settings for your individual work. Oh, I'm sorry. NoFrost (talk) 14:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
NoFrost, Then we should be fine. But IABot is broken right now and needs to be repaired. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 15:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I've already found a solution with a bot of our section. Thank you. NoFrost (talk) 15:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
    NoFrost, ok, cool. Take care. :-) —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 15:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

IABot management interface

Hello Cyberpower678, what happened with that interface? That was pretty useful. Mike like0708 (talk) 17:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Same question from me. I use it a lot! Kerry (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Kerry Raymond, IABot is broken. I need to fix it. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 15:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Not sure whether I can be of any help, but if you want anyone to help test it, I am willing. Kerry (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678May I kindly ask that when will you expect the interface to be fixed? I have known some problems occurred recently, so I hope that the issues will be solved as soon as possible. ΣανμοσαThe Trve Lawe of free Monarchies 07:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Sanmosa, I'm working on it right now, but it's going to take some doing. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 15:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Anyway, thanks. ΣανμοσαThe Trve Lawe of free Monarchies 15:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Bug report for RfPPBot

As part of an edit request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection I've used a ==section header== inside <nowiki>...</nowiki>, which cyberbot I unfortunately couldn't handle: Special:Diff/958022897, and turned into an actual section on the page. The issue is at the bottom of the diff. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Bug report for InternetArchiveBot

Hello. The InternetArchiveBot is repeatedly archiving this active link: https://www.sdhuesca.es/ in this page of the the Greek Wikipedia: ΣΝ Ουέσκα. The configuration interface of this boat is disabled and I can't do anything for that. Could you please fix this issue? Thanks in advance. Clicklander (talk) 07:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Clicklander, the interface is back up. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 00:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
Thanks for fixing IAbot- and thanks for creating it in the first place; it's been extremely helpful for my CCI work. Moneytrees🌴Talk🌲Help out at CCI! 03:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Replacing "dead" links by "archived" links.

The message below has been posted earlier in Dutch. But, I would like to add some remarks first:

  1. On the Dutch user page of InternetArchiveBot, it shows the following line:
    "This user account is a bot operated by Cyberpower678 (talk)."
    What it doesn't mention is, when you click the talk link, you don't end up on your talk page on NL-Wiki but on EN-Wiki. If, like me, you use an English user interface, regardless of the Wiki you're on, it goes unnoticed that you end up on EN-Wiki. It might be uncommon to see Dutch on EN-pages, it's not that uncommon to see English on NL-pages, especially talk pages. And I don't know about you, but I'm certainly not going to check, after each ckick, the URL in my address bar to see if I might have switched to a Wiki in another language. So I think it would be wise if you add a clear remark to the line cited above. Something like "When clicking the user or talk link, you end up on EN-Wiki, so please post your message(s) in English"
  2. It isn't a display of much respect towards other users, if your message is archived without being answered. Even, considering the above, if the message is in a language you don't understand. A reply like "I don't understand Dutch, please repost your message in English" would be the least decent thing to do.

Now, a translated version of my original message in Dutch:
"Hi, why is a "dead" link, just like that, replaced by an "archived" link? Sometimes, e.g. with associations, it happens that the association website has been moved to a different address. If so, it should be replaced by the new address. See here. The website has been changed from http://www.bornerbroek.nu/ to https://rksvbornerbroek.nl/. For subpages on a domain, something can be said, for the "archive" replacement, but with main pages (http (s): // domain /) I find it just a little too easy. An even better example is this. The site is not accessible (at least not via https, certificate error) and the link is replaced by an archived link from 2018 which doesn't show any relevant information. Is there no other way for main pages? If necessary, first check in person whether there is a better alternative. And yes, I realize this means extra work which nobody likes. Ciao"

So much for my original message. Let me add another fine example:
Here a lot of links have been replaced. At the time of the check, the links might have been inaccessible, but they're certainly not permanently inaccessible. It seems, that if a website is temporary down (e.g. maintenance), links already get replaced. So I suggest not to replace any links unless they are inaccessible for a certain period (e.g. 5 or 10 days). Furthermore, if a link is inaccessible it should be tested the next time at a different time (at least a few hours earlier or later). The way the bot is operating now, it does sometimes more harm than good. --Sb008 (talk) 13:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Sb008, I'd like to offer some counter arguments. First off, the fact that the page you land on is in English only, should clue one in that English is probably the preferred language on this page. But I do not mind anyone adding a not to the link you mentioned. Secondly, it's absurd to claim I am being disrespectful for failing to answer a talk page message. Excuse me for being busy with college work, and other real life matters.
Now on to the main argument, if a website changes it's address and doesn't implement a redirect to the new address, no automated system can know where it ended up being located to. So if the original is down, it will be flagged as such. What you're suggesting not feasible at this time. I'm not sure what you're asking of me in the "check in person" sentence, but the whole point of the bot is to provide a working historical link of a page that is actively no longer function. It's not the job of the bot to clean up after incompetent web developers that don't properly implement redirects to their new addresses. In the end, the bot will in most cases have attached an archive URL of a dead one that will allow readers to at least read what was on the page before it died, or was improperly moved.
As for checking for dead links. All links must fail three consecutive checks, each with at least a 3 day waiting period between checks, before it is declared dead by the bot. So what you are suggesting is already implemented. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Like I said, it's far from uncommon on NL-Wiki that messages are in English. Therefore it's not necessary a clue that the preferred language is English. It might just as well be a "service" to users who don't understand Dutch. I don't know any Dutch, which doesn't mean there aren't any, who don't understand English. So the fact that the message isn't as well in Dutch, means little to nothing to me. Second, I don't object to you not answering a message within 5 mins. But, when a message is archived, to me it's an indication the message is handled (the common criteria for archiving on Wiki) and wasn't worth answering. So yes, an indication of disrespect. Maybe if your busy doing whatever that has a higher priority, which I can fully can understand, you shouldn't archive messages and leave them where they're.
I'm very well aware of the fact that an automated system can't know if a site has been relocated. If the home page of a site is still accessible, it's far more likely that if a sub-page referred to is inaccessible, the page no longer exists. So, in that case, replacement by an archived link is kinda understandable. However if the home page is no longer accessible as well, there're are various options, the site can be temporary down (this is always an option), the site no longer exists, the site has been moved elsewhere using a different URL. In a case like that, it's far too easy to replace a link by an archived link just like that. Especially if it's replaced by an old archived link which contains no relevant info. I rather get no info than irrelevant info. What I mean by checking in person, is check non automated. Search yourself if there might be an alternative. As I said before, a lot of work which no one likes to do. You indeed not there to clean up after incompetent developers, however you take the responsibility (using the bot) upon you to come up with a solution. And, in some cases, the remedy is worse than the disease. Like you not there to clean up after incompetent developers, I'm not there to clean up the incorrect/irrelevant replacements of your bot.
In the second example, the page was/is still accessible, hoever not by HTTPS but by HTTP cause the site has a certificate problem. Sure the result of incompetent system/web administrators. But replacing it by an archived link which is 2 years old, isn't exactly the proper solution.
As far as the last example is concerned. I consider it already unlikely that the website of the grocery store at the corner is down for 7 days. For an organisation like the European Volleyball Confederation (CEV) I consider it even far more unlikely, although I can't exclude it. Up front, without having seen any logs etc, so dealing with a black box, I consider it more likely that there's a problem with the bot than with the website of the CEV. An option might be, and I don't claim this is the case, all 3 checks performed by the bot where more or less at the same time, which happens to be a time within the maintenance window of the site. --Sb008 (talk) 23:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Sb008, okay fair argument about the language, but still not the reason I didn't answer. The archiving is entirely automated, and set to a time window when I usually respond to messages. {{dnau}} is a means to inhibit archiving by the bot.
Moving on the second topic, archive snapshots are generally picked based on the last access date of the URL. It picks the snapshot closest to the access date, as that will contain the most likely information present at the time of access. It's not perfect but using the latest snapshot is more problematic as it can include a non-working snapshot more often. Asking me to search through millions of URLs myself is not a reasonable ask. I don't have that kind of man power. Statistically speaking the bot is far more productive than harmful. While I do what I can to make the bot smarter at what it does, there is no such thing as 100% accuracy.
HTTPS cert errors is considered a dead site because it could indicate a hijacked site. HTTP and HTTPS can have different content as well which is why the bot doesn't check the other.
It's entirely possible the bot was blocked from accessing the site. The bot tries to catch those cases, but it's not entirely fool proof. There is no known solution for this at this time. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 00:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
My last remark regarding the archiving of messages on your talk page. You set the time after which messages are archived. If you busy, you can set it to a higher interval. I shouldn't have to research whether automated archiving is used on a talk page and what to do to prevent archiving. By archiving the message, automated or manual, you give the message, it's dealt with.
Then the real issue, I'm very well aware of all the difficulties you face to make the bot operate in the best way, and that you're trying the best you can. However the argument that the bot is more productive than harmful is not a strong argument when no statistics are available. What is acceptable, 99% productive and 1% harmful? If we talking about millions of URLs, at 1% it's ten thousands "incorrect" replacements. What's the ratio between a sub page not accessible but home page accessible compared to both not accessible? Would it be an option, if both are not accessible, to leave a message on the talk page of whoever put the URL on the page or the most frequent recent editor of the page, to have a look? If nothing is done within a certain period, the bot can still replace the URL. Or would the mechanism used on FR-Wiki be an alternative? E.g. the template Lien web (web link) uses the module Biblio. As a result the reference shows both a link to the original source as well as an archived link on Wikiwix. --Sb008 (talk) 13:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Sb008, IABot generally only replaces a link if it's outside of a reference block, and the link is not in a cite template. Cite templates display both the archive URL and the original URL. This is the preferred method of IABot. This is because appending archive templates to links in the body of the article is more disruptive than simply replacing the link. Enwiki uses {{cbignore}} that can be appended to links. It's an invisible template, and is supported universally. This keeps the bot from processing the link. Scientifically, the acceptable margin is 5%, but for IABot I have aimed to be less than 1%. In that subset of the millions of links, less than 10% are actually external links outside of reference blocks and cite templates. So 10% of 1% is 0.001% of actual bad replacements. The rest of the edits are supplementing the references and cite templates, so nothing is actually being deleted. I hope this helps. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

IABot in da.wiki

Hi! We talked about IABot earlier.

What do we need to do to get it started? I posted at da:Wikipedia:Anmodning_om_botstatus#InternetArchiveBot but per the bot policy the bot needs to do some test edits to move on. Perpahs you can run the bot and do 50 edits so we can see how it works?

Or tell us what to do to move forward. --MGA73 (talk) 13:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

MGA73, Sure. I just need to get the major changes I'm making to IABot done and tested first. @Harej: —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:13, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Awesome. Thank you! --MGA73 (talk) 15:48, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Daniel C. Boyer

This banned editor is back again, posting his name on Picture frame (see this) Is the edit filter still working? Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Beyond My Ken, It was disabled by another user and merged into filter 1037 which is set to log only. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 00:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Can it be set to block or separated out on its own again? Now that DCB knows he can get through, he will undoubtedly return to form and start adding his name in his other favorite articles. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken, I re-enabled the original filter. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 00:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks very much. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, thanks. Please have a word with the disable-and-merge-er. EEng 01:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
@Beyond My Ken and EEng: Disable-and-merge-er here. DCB seemed to be inactive, and we can't have a filter for everything. Every edit is tested against every filter, so ultimately we have to choose what's worth it. The purpose of 1037 (hist · log) is to catch LTAs who re-emerge whenever "their" filter is disabled, so someone can re-enable the filter as needed. It worked as intended, and I have no objection to 917 (hist · log) being set to disallow again. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 03:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for that explanation, I appreciate it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Understandable, but this is a special case. This guy has been at this since literally the beginning of the project. He never gives up. and reappears 2-3X / year. And he's one of those relatively rare LTAs that can be quite definitively and effectively blocked by a filter, with zero collateral damage.
BTW, I realize that filters are a performance issue, but I suppose someone's thought of a bot running downstream, on recent changes, to pick up what you might call second-tier threats (which this might qualify as). You could even set up such a bot so that, when it finds pattern X and reverts it, it then enables an associated edit filter for Y weeks or months so as to give quicker response temporarily. Kind of an immune system. EEng 05:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Actually wait, I'm confused. Assuming that performance is the issue here, how is this combined 1037 any better than having a separate filter for each threat? If that's true there's something seriously wrong with the implementation of filters. Or is the issue not performance, but something else? EEng 05:18, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
@EEng: The implementation isn't all that sophisticated. There's nothing like an optimizing compiler. So if you have one filter looking for "xyzzy" and another looking for "plugh", no, it isn't clever enough to combine those checks into a single regular expression, xyzzy|plugh. And yes, one regular expression checking for many strings is much faster than many expressions each checking for one string. There's also the condition limit to worry about. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Suffusion of Yellow: Thanks, I feared as much; after the strain of producing the masterpiece they call VE I guess there was no brainpower left over for something unimportant like optimizing our antivandalism defenses so that we don't have to choose which human-crafted filters to turn off since we can't afford to run them all. Assuming 95% of filters remain in force for at least a day it's a conceptually simple matter to compile them all into one big, efficient megafilter (or, morelikely, a handful of sub-megafilters built from related constituent filters). Note this doesn't mean none of the 95% can be turned off without recompiling, since the giant filter(s) are only as a preliminary check allowing you to skip running a second stage, consisting of the real filters, in most cases -- and second-stage filters can be turned on and off individually as normal.
I think it's long past time I took an interest in filters. Where's the manual, and where's the code? EEng 19:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
@EEng:Manual (probably out of date, like all manuals), and code. FWIW, it looks like the WMF may be about to actually pay the person who has already been maintaining the extension for the past few years. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh god. What a mess. EEng 22:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi. Another edit by DCB just got through. [4] Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
    Cyberpower, see Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard#Requesting_Wikipedia:Edit_filter_helper_right. Maybe I should have asked for EFM after all. It appears someone's needed full time just to deal with this one LTA. EEng 00:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
    EEng, EFM is probably more what you are looking for. But I'm not familiar with your technical background. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
    Re technical background, I have a degree in computer science from [modesty forbids] and have written any number of parsers, compilers, and command interpreters. As noted in the rights discussion I figured EFH would be an easy first step but if that's unnecessarily conservative feel free to suggest (there) that I go straight to EFM. I wouldn't actually move on to changing anything without talking to you guys first. What I want first is the ability to see all the current code, and write my own code and test it against recent changes. Whatever lets me do that is fine. EEng 15:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
    EEng, I've added EFM, since that more likely seems like what you need and per the linked thread with support. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
That was almost too easy!
  • Beyond My Ken, the filter was not set to disallow for some reason. I've enabled the flag. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

EEng

Poor EEng, you removed a bit too much haha (admin link) --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@EEng: I think I added everything back, please let me know if I missed anything. --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
TheSandDoctor, Oh oops. Not sure what happened there. Maybe if we pretend it didn't happen, EEng won't notice. :p —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Well I don't think it's worrisome. Everyone makes mistakes. It's not like Cyberpower's got special privileges like EFM or anything that he might screw things up with. EEng 18:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
EEng, well, ummm, remember when I blocked everyone from adding links anywhere on Wikipedia? —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:41, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that was the week I was comatose. I'd like to see that code, actually. EEng 18:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
EEng, Actually it wasn't links, it was the title blacklist. I managed to prevent the creation of any page by non-admins. diff —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Actually, you managed to block creation of any page by users who aren't administrators, template editors, and page movers. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
OK, that's different then. EEng 00:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Was that a thing at the time? I don't know about template editor, but I think page movers got the ability to override the title blacklist more recently than that. Natureium (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I think this counts as wheel warring. I'll start the arbcom proceedings. Natureium (talk) 18:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Natureium, oh well. It was nice being an admin while it lasted. Better go and delete the main page, AfD, and block everyone. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
I'll start writing the script to make sure wikipedia doesnt shut off without its cyber-power. da-dum-tsss, I'll show myself out --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Cyberpower, I see that you assigned EFM after Xaosflux assigned EFH. I don't see the requisite decision on WP:EFN as mentioned at Wikipedia:Edit_filter#User right. EFM is too sensitive of a right to be assigned on request without discussion. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Galobtter, no comment on the assignment of the perm after Xaosflux as the perm was not assigned yet when I went in to change the permissions for EEng, but as I read it, I see general support 3 implicit, 1 explicit, that EEng would also be trusted with EFM. He is technically competent, and highly trusted on this project. I saw no issue with granting. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678 I don't think your action was appropriate, EFM isn't supposed to be issued to non-admins "by request" as a discretionary admin action, the EFM page is pretty clear about it, including having a customary 7 day discussion which is normally more advertised then EFH discussions alone. — xaosflux Talk 01:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
As far what now - I request that you revert your change - if EEng wants to apply for special EFM access, they can follow the standard process and timeline. — xaosflux Talk 01:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Xaosflux, well, who am I to argue against consensus. I have reverted my action, and reinstated yours (which was unintentionally overriden btw). —CYBERPOWER (Around) 01:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I must say, my plan to reduce Cyberpower to a state of complete humiliation is going like clockwork. If it will help allay anxieties, I certainly won't be doing anything but looking until I've learned a lot more and talked to you guys again. EEng 01:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: thank you. @EEng: please note I wasn't here with any specific objection to you, just that there wasn't enough time to ensure that discussion was well attended; you are certainly welcome to apply for EFM as a non-admin if you desire. — xaosflux Talk 02:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
No offense taken, I assure you!
Meanwhile, at EEng's user rights log...
But would it make sense to reopen the existing discussion and let it run for the prescribed time, to avoid going over the same ground again in future? EEng 02:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
The deal with EFM is that it is meant to be highly restricted for non-admins, and there should be time for people to attend - so it should be clear for the entire duration what the ask is. You can also avoid it by using the week at RFA. — xaosflux Talk 11:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
(Presumably you're joking about RfA.) I understand. I just thought that since several people suggested going straight to EFM anyway, by extending the existing discussion for the prescribed time we could avoid doing the whole thing again for EFM at a later date. EEng 21:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
EEng, Why not run an RfA? I think you would do fine. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
You really are losing your grip. Arbcom better enact a Level I-Omega Greased Lightening Desysop before you go completely berserk. EEng 00:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Completely unrelated question, but does anyone know which admin passed with the longest block log? Natureium (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
User:ThisIsaTest for RfA? Galobtter (pingó mió) 22:12, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Natureium, I know I passed having been blocked for oversight related reasons in the past and require ArbCom to unblock me. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 22:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh my. Natureium (talk) 22:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Unblock task

So the unblock table task just took a 3 hour hiatus and now is missing User talk:Emaus and User talk:STAY AT HOME FOR THE NHS. Since this isn't the first time, I'll replace the table for the time being, and when things are fixed, feel free to restore the old one. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 02:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

DeltaQuad, Is it fixed? I've noticed it tends to sometimes just hiccup but recover. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't see any issues right now or in the past 24 hours for time lapsing, but I haven't checked that every talk page has been in there. I'll watch it a little more over the next day or two and see if any issues pop up. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I have switched it back, but giving it an hour to edit the page before it considers itself out of date and switches to the backup. I will still monitor for the missing users in the table issue. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 10:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Starter kit for smaller wikis

Hello, and greetings! As part of a Starter kit project for smaller wikis, there is a work-in-progress guide around Bots & Tools here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Starter_kit/Bots_and_Tools. I'm reaching out with a few questions, as there is a mention of the InternetArchiveBot & Cyberbot on this page in the list of useful bots section:

  • Is it okay to have these bots listed in that section? Are there any concerns?
  • Would you be okay with folks from smaller wikis reaching out to you for help, and would you be willing to list your preferred method of contact under "Bot owner contact"?
  • Is there anything like a note or reminder related to these bots that you would like to add in the "description" column?

Additionally, if you have a suggestion for any other bots or tools currently on the list which should not be there and those that are not there and should be there, I would love to know about them—looking forward to your input! Srishti (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

SSethi (WMF),
  • Yes. No
  • Yes, and this talk page is fine.
  • I can’t think of anything right now.
Hope this helps. —CYBERPOWER (Around) 11:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hehehe

I've been looking at [[Uninterruptible power supplies for my new computer, and when I find things like the CyberPower 800VA / 480W UPS, it kinda reminds me of your username, lol. Graham87 13:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

To be welcoming to editors of all genders, I propose that the title of this thread be changed to theytheythey. EEng 13:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm chuckling right now. Theytheythey. Capsulecap (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Graham87, I know. They totally stole my username. :p —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 16:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Lol at everything! Graham87 16:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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