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IABot error

In this edit the bot for some reason linked to the wrong book (U.S. Coast Pilot for part of the Atlantic coast) rather than the applicable U.S. Coast Pilot volume for Alaska. I don't know what went wrong, and I've emended the error; but I thought you might want to know in case the bot's coding needs revision. Deor (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Noted. -- GreenC 21:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
Thanks for making Cyberbot! dibbydib 💬/✏ 03:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Some issues caused by an InternetArchiveBot edit

Hi Cyberpower, in this InternetArchiveBot edit [1] your bot conducted a number of strange actions I would like to report. When you find the time, can you please investigate and fix the bot accordingly?

  • At the bottom of the page under "External links" there is a text structure with embedded links which allows to browse a former website for historical & research purposes. The structure lists a number of websites combined with specific start and end dates for each of them, as these websites were either non-existant before or after the date or were usurped for something else. The bot not only removed some of the links so that only a rather non-sensical text fragment remained, but it also changed the dates of the archived snapshots to different dates. Such structures are used in various articles, and I have seen them being messed up by the bot for some while. I don't know what triggers the bot to touch these structures at all, given that they contain only archived links. Ideally it should just leave them alone.
  • In two cases, the bot replaced a functioning archive-url link pointing to archive.org by links from archive.today. While it is nice that it expanded the archive.today links, I think it shouldn't have replaced the archive.org link in the first place.
  • When the bot changes links it apparently also edits dates, even if they do not change. There's no need to do that if the date doesn't change, but if it does, the format used should be in compliance with the cs1-dates parameter of a "Use xxx dates" template, if given. In particular, the bot should adhere to the cs1-dates=y value. It is somewhat annoying (and against our editing guidelines) that the bot inserts long date formats, when all references consistently use the ymd format, and this is even indicated by cs1-dates=y.

Thanks and greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Matthiaspaul, this might be a bug that needs investigation. Can you please file this into a Phabricator ticket?—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Cyberbot says I didn't protect a page, but I did

Hi, Cyber. I have create protected Isaac Kwaku Fokuo Jr indefinitely per a request at WP:RFPP. My protection shows clearly in the log, but your bot says I haven't done it.[2] Can you see what the problem is, because I can't? Bishonen | tålk 13:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC).

So, Cyberbot, have you got a comment? Was the problem with you or me? Should I do something different when I create protect? Bishonen | tålk 12:29, 13 March 2020 (UTC).
Bishonen, probably a bug. Just tag it to archive immediately. :-). RfPP bot is slated for renewal.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you little user. [Bishzilla sticks the user and the little bot in her pocket. ] bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 18:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC).
It's been "slated for renewal" since January 2019, right? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Pppery, Yes. :-(—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot and external links

Hi. From my understanding, external links to official sites should always lead to a live, working website. If an external link (which is not used as a reference) is permanently down, this usually indicates that the link needs to be updated or removed. I don't quite see benefit in piping such links to an archived version. See this edit (from 2017), for example. In this case, this was a false positive, and has been reverted. If the site was permanently down, though, I think it would have been preferable for the bot to alert human editors to identify a new, correct link, instead of archiving it.

I previously filed this on Phabricator, but you closed it as not a bug. Maybe the issue warrants further discussion, though? --Paul_012 (talk) 21:21, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not Cyberpower, but I would like to remark that linking to an archived version of a site may very well be useful for historical research (in particular if more or less the whole site was archived, not just a particular page, and if it was archived several times over a span of years, allowing to move forward and backward in time).
--Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Paul 012, If the link doesn't work, IABot will replace it with a working archive of it. There is little point to simply flag a human down and to leave the link dead. If it's that big of an issue, a concerned user will see the change and make the appropriate changes. So I'm not inclined to add layers of algorithms for this.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

R10 Global Ban List problem

Hello, I am the new owner of the R10.net forum site and said that when I want to create a wiki page, the domain name is forbidden. I have found that my research is due to the content created by a user in the hosting category. (here) How can I solve this situation and create my own company wiki page? can you help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.223.2.136 (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

You can't. Not unless your company is notable.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:06, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to Bother You (Nooby Mistake)

Hi there Cyberpower678,

How are you doing? I am new to submitting article for deletion and I accidentally nominated a deletion discussion page rather than the actual page. Could you be of any assistance or would you be able to direct me to someone who manages this section of Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_Macedonian_Diaspora

Kind Regards,

James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesrichards12345 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Jamesrichards12345, It would seem you already took care of it.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678, No worries thanks a lot for your time anyway --James Richards 21:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Cyberbot unable to parse protected page edit request, created gibberish trying to archive request

Good evening. Just wanted to make you aware of this edit by the bot. I was able to clean everything up, and what I'm trying to do is a very edge case that's unlikely to happen again, at least not very often. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

alswiki

Hi Cyberpower678. As the InternetArchiveBot produces too many false positives I've blocked it on alswiki. We have tried for monthgs to report all the bugs and it seems that nothing changes in the edits. I'm sorry, but imho it makes us more additional work than it takes from us. Best regards. --Holder (talk) 12:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Holder There is a run page for the bot, that I would prefer you used instead. Please see https://tools.wmflabs.org/iabot/index.php?page=runpages&wiki=alswiki. I apologize for the trouble IABot is causing.—CYBERPOWER (Around) 12:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

IABot problem

I have run IABot several times on Black Death and each time it says it has rescued 76 links and modified the page but nothing has happened. Can you advise please. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:50, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Dudley Miles, You have placed a nobots template on the page restricting InternetArchiveBot from editing it. See diff.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. That was for another bot but I will revert. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

IABot is functionless in trwiki

Hello cyberpower, it's probably my third time writing to you and waiting for a reply but you didn't even bother to reply.

When I try to prompt the bot to analyse multiple pages in trwiki, I get this error and this makes the bot functionless in Turkish Wikipedia. Could you please do the required set up so we can use the bot? Thanks.--Yagizhan49 (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Yagizhan49, Hi there. Sorry for the lack of response. I've been completely inundated with other matters. I will have that resolved in a moment.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:07, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I hope you will get rid of those other matters as soon as possible. Have a nice day :)--Yagizhan49 (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@Cyberpower678: it seems to be working now. Is it going to analyze every article automatically?--Yağızhanchat 17:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Yearly dose of nagging :)

Hi Cyberpower678 :)

Best regards
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Missing italic formatting at User:Cyberpower678/RfX Report

Please see this edit for how to fix it, when you get a chance. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

IA Bot on SqWiki

Hello, Cyber! I hope you're having a good time in 2020! The IA Bot has been deactivated in SqWiki for more than 2 months now. Maybe since I gave you that bug report. Is this intentional from your part? In its management interface it says it is active but it hasn't made a single edit since October 2019. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

It would appear the pre-emptive archiving is enabled on your wiki. This means IABot is attempting to save URLs not found in the Wayback Machine. This significantly slows down the process as it works it's way through the articles. It's possible it just hasn't needed to do anything yet, as it does appear to be working.—CYBERPOWER (Happy 2020) 13:48, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I found it strange since I think new articles should have been made in the 2 months period and I thought this would have "forced" the bot to make some edits during that period. Is there any way I can test if the bot is still working or not? Also, have you had any luck with that bug/mistranslation detail we talked about the last time? It would be good that when the bot actually does "come to life", it comes error-free. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
I want to let you know that the bot has restarted wroking from 2 days ago. Now that bug/translation detail is the only problem remaining. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:24, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Cyber! I've unfortunately found another problem with the IA Bot. See here. The first sentence at the last section. It puts {oldarchive} (as a word) and not the old archive's link itself like it does with the new archive's one. Maybe you've given me an old/wrong message to translate for Modified archive message item:. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cyber! How's it going? It's been over a month I've been waiting for a response about some issues with IABot so I guess you're busy this time of the year. I hope you haven't forgotten about what I've written above. I also wanted to talk with you about another problem I'm having these days with the bot. What is happening in pages like this and how do I stop it? It's been going on on quite some pages now. - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, Hi there. I'm not sure who turned on the messaging feature as I disabled it. Right now addressing this issue is a low priority issue as it is not causing critical errors in the body of the article.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:32, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey! Thank you for the answer! :) I hope in the future we can have more people that can deal with IABot simultaneously. We could have faster answers like that and it could help in its development. - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:19, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Klein Muçi, if you know people who are skilled in PHP development and would be interested in helping to maintain IABot, I would welcome the help. I'm a bit overwhelmed right now.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Can you show me somehow (maybe personally) what would a person like that do? I have no IT background but I've been the one looking after all the tech matters in SqWiki for many months now and maybe I can help here. That would also help me with finding favorable candidates from our community, if there are any. I can't really suggest people outside SqWiki because I'm not very "sociable" in other communities. - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

That strange thing with talk page messages repeating themselves ad infinitum is happening again in a lot of pages. See here:

This is getting out of hand fast unfortunately. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Sports Reference Olympics is shutting down — could you run IABot to save links to it?

Hi! I just found out that the Olympics part and maybe other parts of sports-reference.com is going to shut down due to moving servers; this was planned for March 1, 2020, but has not happened yet. This site is used as the sole source for a giant number of articles on Wikipedia, and to have it go down would be bad if there are not extensive archives of it.

Would you be able to run the IABot to make sure there are archives on Wikipedia for every page with links to this site? I tried running a job with ID 5510 but it is taking a really long time and there are many thousands of links to it. Also I don't have a great way to get a complete list of links to it. Thank you! DemonDays64 (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

Oh! I didn't look above here and see that it is already being edited >_< sorry! DemonDays64 (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah unfortunately that is not going to work. The domain is only partly dead and there is no support for such a scenario, please do not mark the whole domain as dead it will cause problems. -- GreenC 20:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I killed the queue job. -- GreenC 20:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Also aware of this, have been working for (weeks) on it. Waiting for a software patch before moving forward. Links marked "Blacklisted" need to remain as such (@Cyberpower678: any update?) See discussion at Wikipedia:Link_rot/URL_change_requests#SR/Olympics_will_die_soon. -- GreenC 20:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@GreenC: oh sorry! BTW I’ve got a sort of related question—if the bot finds that a live link has no archives, will it make one? I just ran it on Wikipedia through a job to make sure there were archives of all the links there and it only edited 2, so I'm curious if I achieved anything other than fixing two links on the page. Thanks, DemonDays64 (talk) 05:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

SportsRef

Hi. InternetArchiveBot is making hundreds of edits like this saying Sports Ref is a dead URL. The site isn't dead (yet), it's just no longer being updated. However, the URLs are fine. Apologies if this is covered elsewhere. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Lugnuts, see section below.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 23:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:06, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

dead-url parameter migration?

I'm upgrading the Cantonese Wikipedia copy of Module:Citation/CS1 to mirror the latest English Wikipedia edition, and saw a bunch of "dead-url" parameter errors popping up. I remember that before the migration I got a lot of "url-status" errors - I presume that's the new equivalent parameter. Does IABot have a functionality to do that migration in wikitext automatically? Deryck C. 23:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

On a possibly related note, IABot has just incorrectly marked five citations as "dead" using an obsolete parameter - [3] The cited source is still live and the anchors still work [4]. Deryck C. 15:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, At this time IABot will not automatically adjust to the updated the parameter aliases. This is a feature being worked on so the bot can run more autonomously.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@Cyberpower678:: It seems that IABot is still tagging page with the obsolete parameter after we have finished upgrading the templates. What setting am I missing? There doesn't seem to be such option on the IABot config interface. Deryck C. 23:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, check back in a few hours. I made the change.—CYBERPOWER (Around) 12:58, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Would you also have a look at why IABot incorrectly marked these links as dead? Deryck C. 23:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, IABot is well know for having issues with Japanese links. They are tightly controlled. IABot had to be shutdown on jawiki because the false positive rate was 40%.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 23:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Wow. Do you know if this is a problem with IABot parsing Japanese language content, or with Japanese publishers building websites that are unfriendly to bots in general? Also, what's the recommended way of tagging these links - should I add the correct archive links, remove the dead link flag, and then add cbignore? Deryck C. 12:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Internet archives-related question possibly or something that needs to be flagged or, in short, I am not sure if it's a problem or how to fix it.

Sorry for the vagueness.

I was editing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shino_Yamanaka And saw that the reference (what is now reference 1) was tagged as failing verifiability. If you go to the archived version of the link (https://web.archive.org/web/20120909201808/http://www.london2012.com/athlete/yamanaka-shino-1020806/) it takes you to the right page. If you remove the wayback machine bit and just go to http://www.london2012.com/athlete/yamanaka-shino-1020806 instead, it takes you to a different page - possibly because the www.london2012.com website has been smushed with the main olympics.org website. It's an easily fixed problem, just use the waybackmachine version of the url in both the url and archived url boxes, but I thought it would be worth mentioning that it occurs.

Red Fiona (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

IABot Management Interface question

Hi. I am trying to use IABot Management Interface to add archive links to all references to the page Second Amendment sanctuary. However when I try to run it on that page, and I enable the "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)" option, I get an error telling me the page is too big and to submit a bot job instead. I did that, however there was no option to add archives to all non-dead references and the bot did not do that, it only added archives to dead links and did not add archives to non-dead links. How can I accomplish this task in the bot job interface? Thanks!Terrorist96 (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Terrorist96, Hi there, there is no way to set that option in the bot queue tool. This is to prevent abuse of the bot. Unfortunately, this makes enabling this option on said pages not possible.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Could you remove the limitation on "analyze a page" temporarily so I can run it then add the limitation back? There shouldn't be any harm in that right?Terrorist96 (talk) 18:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678 - Terrorist96 (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Terrorist96, Sorry, I can't. The limitation is hard-coded.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

How do we get IABot in da.wiki?

Hi! I asked a few weeks ago but my question ended up in the archive. How do we get the bot to work on da.wiki? Do we need someone to operate it locally or how does it work?

We are discussing the bot on da:Wikipedia:Landsbybrønden/Brug archive.org and we had an old discussion in da:Wikipedia:Landsbybrønden/Automatisk bot-kildearkivering (it died because noone knew how to proceed). I hope you can help us how to get started. --MGA73 (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

MGA73, IABot has been configured to run on dawiki and needs the bot flag. I need to file for bot approval.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 21:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Cyberpower678 Thank you very much!. I started this bot flag request: da:Wikipedia:Anmodning_om_botstatus#InternetArchiveBot. I imagine you could check it and make an edit to confirm that you agree. Then a bureaucrat will tell you if we should make a trail run first or if we just go for it! --MGA73 (talk) 22:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Problem with AfD nomination

Hi- Sorry to bug you with this, guessing it's not your problem, but can you tell what might have gone wrong with how I started this AfD nomination? I got an unexpected result when I first attempted to create the page, and had to make a subsequent edit to post my reason for nomination (page history). I then noticed your bot message there. Note: The page is not appearing on my (refreshed) watchlist, despite showing as watched. I also had to manually put a notice on the article's talkpage. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Eric talk 15:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Why again??

[5]. 83.219.136.158 (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Book talk missing title and missing end tag for italics, small, bold errors

Un-archived discussion with new comment:

Cyberpower678: You deleted the following discussion without taking action. The last time, you ultimately did solve the problem, and I'm confident you will solve this one also. Please do not remove this discussion from your talk page without at least acknowledging. I don't want to go through a long cycle of dredging it up from the page history over and over, like last time. (I have edited my previous comment slightly, mainly inserting several missing right parentheses.) —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

You are messing up italics and titles in Book talk articles.

{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''|GA|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
causing a missing end tag for italics ('') and title not displaying where needed; should be (and I fixed it to)
{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''Number 1's''|GA|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''|GA|chapter=Album|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
causing a missing end tag for italics ('') and title not displaying where needed; should be (and I fixed it to)
{{book report|Number 1's (Destiny's Child album)|''Number 1's''|GA|chapter=Album|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Destiny's Child – Number 1's.jpg]]
{{book report|''Stargate: The Ark of Truth|The Ark of Truth''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted and I fixed it again to)
{{book report|Stargate: The Ark of Truth|''The Ark of Truth''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
{{book report|''Stargate: Continuum|Continuum''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted and I fixed it again to)
{{book report|Stargate: Continuum|''Continuum''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
{{book report|''Stargate: Revolution|Revolution''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted and I fixed it again to)
{{book report|Stargate: Revolution|''Revolution''|Unassessed|problems=|non-free=}}
{{book report|Tak to chodí|''Tak to chodí'']] <small>by [[Michal Horáček (lyricist)|Start|chapter=Compilations|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Tak to chodi front.jpg]]
causing a missing end tag for <small>; should be (and I fixed it and you reverted)
{{book report|Tak to chodí|''Tak to chodí'']] <small>by [[Michal Horáček (lyricist)</small>|Start|chapter=Compilations|problems=|non-free=* [[:File:Tak to chodi front.jpg]]
{{book report|''Wieland der Schmied (libretto)|Wieland der Schmied''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
causing a missing end tag for italics (''); should be (and I fixed it and you reverted)
{{book report|Wieland der Schmied (libretto)|''Wieland der Schmied''|Unassessed|problems=* Page does not exist.
{{WBOOKS|class=book}}{{book report start|<big>'''Wiki How To</big>'''|The basics of Wikipedia}}
causing misnested tags; should be (and I fixed it)
{{WBOOKS|class=book}}{{book report start|<big>'''Wiki How To'''</big>|The basics of Wikipedia}}

And similar errors that I fixed that you haven't reverted yet in:

And similar errors that I haven't fixed at Lint errors: Missing end tag in the Book talk namespace. Please deal with these errors, or at least point how to generate the list of "source code" pages and how to edit them to make the problem go away. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Anomalocaris, I'm not deleting discussions, they just get archived by a bot. I took a quick look at this issue, but nothing sticks out this time, so I will need to find a moment to investigate this.—CYBERPOWER (Trick or Treat) 22:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Well, it's been a month, so I'm reminding you to find a moment to investigate this. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Anomalocaris, thank you for the reminder.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Please find a moment to investigate this. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC) and again Anomalocaris (talk) 05:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

2FA

Rather than clogging up the thread about ReFill - how am I living dangerously? GiantSnowman 17:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, you need 1 or 2 scratch codes just to reset 2FA. If you don't have any codes left, you are finished. Then you get to involve a sysadmin to disable 2FA, and that will be all kinds of fun. If you cannot get your authenticator app to spit out a valid code, you should not enable 2FA.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm well aware - hence why I stopped using ReFill when it made me log in every time... GiantSnowman 18:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

If it fits with your work

Hello C. As part of your work on refill I wonder if you can address the concerns mentioned here User talk:Zhaofeng Li/reFill#'deadurl' parameter. Since I learned about this situation I try to switch to the correct format for the dead url field but I still forget at times. Other editors using refill may not know about this at all so it would be great if they didn't have to worry about it. I don't know if this fits into your current work with the change over that you are implementing or if it can be part of a later upgrade but I did want you to be aware of it. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 19:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

IABot date formatting and archive links doubling up

I have taken the drastic step to block InternetArchiveBot on the Cantonese Wikipedia. After some investigation between User:Dabao qian and me, it seems that the majority of edits made by IABot since its reboot on 27 March has been false positives.

The main issues are:

  1. IABot seems to have become unable to recognise the archive-url parameter in existing {{cite web}} citations, and insisted on doubling it up with {{webarchive}}: ([6][7] and many others)
  2. [8] The date formatting is also wrong in some cases (and was rightly caught by {{webarchive}} as a date error). Would you be able to switch to ISO dates (2020-03-29)?

Since IABot insists on doubling up the webarchive template after other editors have undone the duplication across multiple articles, I have shut down IABot by blocking for now. Is there some setting that I got wrong in the management interface, or was there an error in your recent deployment? Deryck C. 15:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Deryck Chan, The bot does have a run page you know. Let me take a look at the cite configuration. I may have bungled something up when I switched over the url-status param. Switching to ISO should be easy. Any local sysop can do it on the IABot configuration page.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
BTW, those are not false positives. They're just bugged edits. False positive means the bot is insisting a URL is dead when it isn't.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, I've set the default date format to ISO, and refreshed the cite definitions. Can you let the bot run?—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678:: I'm baffled now. I've let it run for a while and it recognises {{cite web}} a bit under half of all pages it edited. The error rate is still too high so I have reblocked it for now. An analysis of the about two dozen edits it has done:

  • Wrong - exactly the same archiveurl already exists inside a citation template but IABot insists on adding an extra copy of {{webarchive}}: [9][10][11][12][13]
  • Suboptimal - No existing archiveurl inside citation template. IABot adds a standalone instance of {{webarchive}} rather than adding archiveurl to the citation template: [14][15][16][17] etc
  • Correct - Bare links in ref, IABot adds {{webarchive}}: [18][19][20]
  • Correct - IABot recognises citation templates and marks dead links as dead: [21][22]
  • Correct - IABot fills in archiveurl parameter of an existing citation template: [23][24]

Also - false positive: [25] (bottom edit; top edit is correct)

--Deryck C. 21:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I've turned off IABot on the runpage and then unblocked it on yue.wp so you can test the bot live on yue.wp whenever you can. Sorry for the inelegant shutdown yesterday! Deryck C. 22:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot setup and requirements

Daw5423, You will need to define a couple of archive templates. Enwiki uses {{Webarchive}}. If you gave me the syntax of your templates, I'll turn it into syntax you need to give the bot to define it.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:48, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Needed to install Scribunto extension. My test wiki is a blank wiki, which doesn't have pre-installed templates. I used Special:Export and Special:Import to import the pages Template:Webarchive, Module:Webarchive, Module:Webarchive/data from Wikipedia. How do I define it for the bot? daw5423 (talk) 20:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, it's been a while since the message was archived. You might have missed my question about how the define the templates for the bot. If I complete the bot set up, I can write a guide for private wiki use because there are US departments that are interested in setting up the bot for their wikis. daw5423 (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • Following the banning of an editor by the WMF last year, the Arbitration Committee resolved to hold a Arbcom RfC regarding on-wiki harassment. A draft RfC has been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Anti-harassment RfC (Draft) and not open to comments from the community yet. Interested editors can comment on the RfC itself on its talk page.

Miscellaneous

  • The WMF has begun a pilot report of the pages most visited through various social media platforms to help with anti-vandalism and anti-disinformation efforts. The report is updated daily and will be available through the end of May.
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Can you call off your bot?

Re this edit The bot switched from several google books, which in most cases is preferred, to those found at archive.org. Several of the new links get error results also. Is it possible to let active editors decide where to link to? Sometimes we indeed use archive.org, but not as a rule, and usually only in cases where a publication can't be found via google books. Would appreciate it greatly if the editors who are most familiar with the publications were allowed to make the decision. Thanx for your efforts. Cheers. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Gwillhickers, Wikipedia is moving in the opposite direction now, and the bot is just realizing that movement. Please see WP:GOOGLEBOOKS.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
There are many books whose google url address still holds. What guarantee do we have that the url links at archive.org will last forever? Many publications are not listed on archive.org, where do we go then? Amazon? The only thing we use google for is to verify source info. i.e.isbn #, date of publication, number of pages, etc. Many of the books your bot linked to have different isbn numbers, while some of them have no isbn numbers listed, like this one, and this one. As url links go in general, they are used in citations throughout WP, and could also change. Regardless if google books tries to encourage personal accounts, they are only used as a book reference and have nothing to do with public domain concerns here. Many WP articles refer to books not in the public domain, so I fail to see any real concern about google on that account. Also, regarding this statement: "a link to a 1985 edition might in the future become the 2019 edition because the publisher released a new edition." Nearly all reprints have the exact same format, page per page. What guarantee do we have that archive.org will not switch to a different year of publication? Given the faulty arguments presented in this 'essay', what I'm seeing is something written by someone, a disgruntled publisher perhaps, who has personal issues with google because the writer is obviously reaching for reasons for everyone else not to use it. It seems using this bot is creating more problems than we already have, such that they are. Until WP establishes a Policy, based on a clear consensus and sound reasoning, that forbids linking to a google book, it is not right to try to prod editors to do so by means of a bot. The best approach is to bring the issue up in the proper forum. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Gwillhickers, I made some changes. When you revert the bot it will learn and respect that and not restore the IA links, this was a design oversight not intentional - it took me a while to understand what you were saying about 'forbidding Google links', but now that I see your predicament it's understandable because the bot was acting like a dictator. If it continues to fight your editorial decisions let me know ASAP, I now understand the situation. The bot has mostly completed its work, it converted less than 10% of the installed Google book links, and is now only running on newly added links which results in less than 100 changes a week vs. thousands of new Google links added during the same period. Google the elephant and IA the mouse. -- GreenC 04:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your words of understanding. Hope I didn't come off too curt. Just a thought about url addresses in general. As I've indicated elsewhere, any url address can go south at any time. That's the nature of the beast we call the internet. Regarding all the new google books arriving: will these books also be assigned archive.org addresses, and if so, aren't we just passing the problem along to a different url? I'm not sure focusing on Google links is accomplishing anything, as the bulk of WP articles use websites/url addresses in their citations, with new ones appearing every day also. Again, there's no guarantee any url link is more stable than any other, including google's. These concerns are further expressed on the Essay Talk page here. Best' -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It's no problem and sorry for the bad experience I can totally understand the frustration of a bot reverting over and over. Archive.org runs the WaybackMachine which is the largest web archiving site in the world (100s of billions of pages). They are in the business of link stability, there is probably no more reliable website in existence because it is their core "business" (a non-profit Internet archival library). Google we know by verifying their links on Wikipedia via bot and running stats they have link stability problems. I've never seen an Internet Archive book link stop working, though I suppose it is possible such as taking down a book at the request of an author, they don't really have a dead link problem that I can detect. There is a policy to use non-profit over profit when possible in the same way we discourage linking books at amazon.com -- GreenC 20:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Well, you linked to a guideline, not a policy. In any case, from my experience, over the last 13+ years, google book links have been stable. In the rare case that one goes south, the template still carries the title, author name, date, isbn number, etc, making it only a matter of routine to search for the latest url link. Also consider that many WP articles make use of millions of url links in their citations. When you also consider that all the articles on video games, etc, very often have citations that link to the company's website, (promotional) I just can't bring myself to seeing google books as anything that editors should make a specific issue over. Hey, it's very difficult to write when Jimmy Wales keeps popping in.  :-) -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

IABot doubling up archive links on Cantonese Wikipedia

I have taken the drastic step to block InternetArchiveBot on the Cantonese Wikipedia. After some investigation between User:Dabao qian and me, it seems that the majority of edits made by IABot since its reboot on 27 March has been false positives.

The main issues are:

  1. IABot seems to have become unable to recognise the archive-url parameter in existing {{cite web}} citations, and insisted on doubling it up with {{webarchive}}: ([26][27] and many others)
  2. [28] The date formatting is also wrong in some cases (and was rightly caught by {{webarchive}} as a date error). Would you be able to switch to ISO dates (2020-03-29)?

Since IABot insists on doubling up the webarchive template after other editors have undone the duplication across multiple articles, I have shut down IABot by blocking for now. Is there some setting that I got wrong in the management interface, or was there an error in your recent deployment? Deryck C. 15:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Deryck Chan, The bot does have a run page you know. Let me take a look at the cite configuration. I may have bungled something up when I switched over the url-status param. Switching to ISO should be easy. Any local sysop can do it on the IABot configuration page.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
BTW, those are not false positives. They're just bugged edits. False positive means the bot is insisting a URL is dead when it isn't.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 18:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, I've set the default date format to ISO, and refreshed the cite definitions. Can you let the bot run?—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 19:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678:: I'm baffled now. I've let it run for a while and it recognises {{cite web}} a bit under half of all pages it edited. The error rate is still too high so I have reblocked it for now. An analysis of the about two dozen edits it has done:

  • Wrong - exactly the same archiveurl already exists inside a citation template but IABot insists on adding an extra copy of {{webarchive}}: [29][30][31][32][33]
  • Suboptimal - No existing archiveurl inside citation template. IABot adds a standalone instance of {{webarchive}} rather than adding archiveurl to the citation template: [34][35][36][37] etc
  • Correct - Bare links in ref, IABot adds {{webarchive}}: [38][39][40]
  • Correct - IABot recognises citation templates and marks dead links as dead: [41][42]
  • Correct - IABot fills in archiveurl parameter of an existing citation template: [43][44]

Also - false positive: [45] (bottom edit; top edit is correct)

--Deryck C. 21:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I've turned off IABot on the runpage and then unblocked it on yue.wp so you can test the bot live on yue.wp whenever you can. Sorry for the inelegant shutdown yesterday! Deryck C. 22:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
(Unarchiving thread since work is still ongoing) Deryck C. 16:12, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Problem

Hello, Cyber! :)

Please, take a look at this page. It is the same link over and over again. What should I do (if I can do anything) in cases like this so I don't bother you in the future? - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Again. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot marked a page as dead although I have some kind of access – http/https problem?

Dear cyberpower678, with this edit, InternetArchiveBot changed the homepage of a municipality into an InternetArchive link. However, when I click on the link given in the External links section of the previous version, the municipality's homepage is displayed. Perhaps the solution of this puzzle is, that http://www.gemeinde-melsbach.de/ is actually dead, but my browser (Firefox Quantum 68.6.1esr (64-Bit)) automatically selects https://www.gemeinde-melsbach.de/ instead? If so, can the bot be enhanced to handle such cases? (I apologize if I'm completely wrong with my idea.) --Cyfal (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Rollback rights Swedish Wikipedia

Hello! As you have been inactive on Swedish Wikipedia for over one year, I have now removed your rollback rights according to local policy. Rasmus 28 (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Tarik Freitekh

Hello, Cyber, I took out the adverting material from Tarik Freitekh, its the only change that caused the delete request. This page been there for over 10 years with no issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.8.146.192 (talk) 06:14, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Internet Archive Bot

Hi. Your bot here is replacing pages viewable through Google books, by Archive.com links that require registration and limited time for perusal (14 days). I am not sure this is an improvement, as Google books pages are viewable by almost anyone almost anytime, and allow for an easy reading of the references by going directly to the referenced page. Can you disable this kind of replacements, which I am afraid are not in the interest of the Wikipedia reader? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 07:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Unblock request table

Every single block listed at User:Cyberbot I/Requests for unblock report is listed to have expired 50 years ago. Beyond that, rangeblocked IPs aren't even considered. You may wish to look at the "bkip" available in the API. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Dead links on Wikidata

1 I recently submitted a job for dead links on Wikidata, about 150 links were rescued, it seems like the bot doesn't regularly scans Wikidata, should I submit more jobs to make it rescue links?

2 In addition to rescuing link, we have on Wikidata "deprecated rank" which can be used to mark broken links, it prevents them from showing up in queries and templates. Can your bot be used to make edits like this? If you don't have time for this, is there a way to use the internet archive platform to compile lists of the broken links, and I will do the edits with my bot? I currently use curl to detect broken links, and I understood there are better ways to detect them, especially those with timeout etc. Thanks, Uziel302 (talk) 05:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Internet Archive Bot James Longstreet

Hello. I'm not sure if you're still the person to go to on this, but the Internet Archive Bot has now twice replaced links to books on Google Books that were working fine on the James Longstreet biography to versions of books on Archive.org which have much less of the book available. This clearly isn't helping and I was wondering how to best prevent this. Thank you. Display name 99 (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Display name 99: It shouldn't happen again if it does please let me know. I added a feature to stop this kind of bot-human warring but there is still stuff in the cache that has to clear out. -- GreenC 19:15, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks. Display name 99 (talk) 19:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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