Talk:Mansion

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comment: this article should be rewritten with NPOV, the history section, particularly the second last paragraph is not so much informative as it is a justification for the excesses of the rich. i am not saying we bias the article with a Marxist view point, but as it stands, this article is certainly not at all neutral, stating the life of the rich as "requiring" such lavish displays for the functioning of the political system of the day.(unsigned edit by: User: 70.51.132.187 05:47, 19 April 2006)

• Are you saying that was not the case? Giano | talk 06:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

uhhh, I'm not from the area but does Duluth, Mn really claim to be known for their mansions? I always thought Duluth was kind of a complete but plug and according to the demographics page 15% of the people in the city are under the poverty line.

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I agree that the article seems to omit well known areas for mansions. Most libraries will also have books on older mansions with various "gold coast" titles and most refer to the north shore of Long Island, New York. They also refer to the history of wealthy industrialists during the 1920s and prior to the stock market crash. Examples of large mansions are the Otto Kahn estate, Coe Hall, the Phipps Mansion.. etc. User TikiWiki

Don't forget that it was celebrated in The Great Gatsby. But the Hamptons are much more famous today than the rest of Long Island (which has been economically depressed for decades).

Also, I agree that other areas with mansions need to be mentioned, like Woodside and Atherton in California, which are notorious for huge mansions. --Coolcaesar 08:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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Large mansions can be found just about anyplace - Seattle has dozens of them, for example, with new ones being built all the time. All that Microsoft money just sort of lends itself to 10,000 square foot homes on several acres of lakefront property.

Hmoul 05:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC) 8==============D 75.69.217.23 (talk)

Is there any objective basis for the claim that a mansion was traditionally defined "as a house which contained a ballroom and tens of bedroom". It seems a pretty unlikely definition.

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According to the external link on the first paragraph, it was stated that mansion is defined (by size) to be at least 8 000 square feet. In the paragraph this was 6 000, so I corrected it to 8 000 square feet.

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It stated in the article that the term "McMansion" is exclusive to North America. I changed it to say that it originated there because this term is now used readily in Australia as well.

--Dulberf 04:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Although there is one reference to the term, "country house," there is no link to that article--nor was there sufficient recognition of the country house as a particular, major species of "mansion.' This defect shall be rectified.

phmalo 9 December 2006

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I'm going to see if I can help make this NPOV.

A mansion is not necessarily a dwelling for the wealthy. The provincial leaders mentioned early in the article aren't necessarily wealthy. Also what if a formerly wealthy person still had a mansion as a possession.

I want to remove the bit about the meaning of the word. Both the conclusion is based on loose logic. Would anyone be mad if I got rid of everything in the first paragraph except "A mansion is a large and stately house."

I have also taken out most of what I left in the first paragraph and merged it with the history section. I am a bit hazy on where it should have belonged because I cannot figure the chronological placement. Sorry but someone else will have to clean that part up.

Is it ok to remove this paragraph: Within a Roman... comes the word, palace. I do not see how it aids in explaining mansion. It seems like it belongs in some other article. I'm leaving it until I get someones dis/agreement.

These sentences are horribly jumpy. Whatever happened to the art of the paragraph. I'm tiring out switching this around.

I began deleting things that appeared to be based off "common sense". The status symbol and "human nature being what it is" clauses were not very encyclopedic. Exclamation mark at the end of the sentence seemed off. I killed the two lines. They can be brought back if it's in a way where it is referenced or not so... I don't know what style of writing this is.

I am too nice. I think this article should be exploded and worked at from the ground up. It looks like a junior high student wrote the entire thing and everyone let him/her get away with it.

I hope I did not alter meaning in here but I everyone who edits this article should push for major overhaul.

--Docjay8406 05:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed there's not a lot of references Latepath 15:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagging etc.

I've tagged this page for reasons above. Also, "The term 'palace' in England is reserved to a mansion which is the London residence of a member of the Royal Family or an episcopal seat in a cathedral city." - Buckingham Palace belonged to the Duke of Buckingham, long ere it became royal; the Duke of Hamilton lived durng the 17thc. at Chelsea Palace. Beaulieu Palace, Woodstock Palace and Beaumont Palace are all without London. Furthermore, in Scotland, as I assume the writer is referring to the UK in this article, there is Hamilton Palace, Dalkeith Palace, Scone Palace, Seton Palace, Spynie Palace, the Palace of Monimail, Falkland Palace and on. The Royal palace of Holyroodhouse was in effect, from the 1640's until the late 19thc., the Edinburgh abode of the Duke of Hamilton. These are or were no mere merchants' townhouses. Brendandh 22:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Definition

Is there a definition of a Mansion as distinct from a country house, chateau or villa? I seem to recall that to be classed as a true "mansion", a dwelling had to have at least 40 rooms, be symmetrical, and contain a ballroom. Regardless of the truth of this statement, I believe the article still needs a definition.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an dictionary. We don't necessarily have to define the word itself, but summarize the secondary sources and what they have to say. No, I have never heard such a distinction for "Mansion". In fact there are a number of mansions all over the world with far less rooms and no ballroom.--Mark _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 18:50, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point Mark. I don't think that there is a definitive definition of a mansion. If a mansion must have a ballroom, then you would have to exclude Blenheim Palace, Belton House and Montacute House to name but just a few mansions without ballrooms; Compton Wynyates is far from symmetrical and does not have a ballroom either, but is most certainly a mansion. In my distant youth, I was once told a mansion had to have a front and back staircase, but I'm not sure that's true either - although I can't think of a mansion that doesn't. I think that the only all encompassing adjective for a mansion is 'large', but then that would give us a problem with Ebberston Hall].  Giano  21:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Video Games?

Does this article really need a disambiguation for "Luigi's Mansion" ?? Are people really searching for a video game when they type in the single word "mansion" ?? 98.232.219.86 (talk) 14:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

No; and (outside a Google search) no. I've edited the disambiguation page. --Picapica (talk) 11:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Source For Mansions Developing in the 15th Century?

I was quite interested in the history section of the page which stated that mansions developed in the 15th century. I would like to look more into this but it seems there is no source for the claim. If I missed the source, please present it here. If there is no source, I would suggest adding some source to back that claim up because even I'm struggling somewhat to find information about the history of mansions. W.C Cross (talk) 16:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

The term Mansion seems to be time and place sensitive as to definition in terms of size or facilities. In some backward parts a house with only six bedrooms might at one time have been considered such, whilst at another time and place one twice the size would be considered in lesser terms. The term also seems to be restricted to European influenced areas. It would be good to have sources for the different adoptions of the term.SovalValtos (talk) 16:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)