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Primary page for supporters[edit]

Given its history this page should be considered as the primary page for the supporters of Kerela Blasters FC. If and when this get converted to an article that is the time the a page rename/move can be discussed. Attempts other than to use this name without discussion will likely be seen as attempts to circumvent various XfD and DRV discussions and will likely be treated as disruptive. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I am closing this discussion at the behest of another user due to my extended confirmed status. Though I am not familiar with the subject it seems to me that there exists a strong consensus that the Manjappada fan club are deserving of their own article. I have copied the 'Support' section over to Manjappada. Beaneater (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that section Support Section be split into a separate page called Manjappada due to the following reasons :

1.The support section contains contents based on the fan club Manjappada that is independent of Kerala Blasters.

2. Continuous attempts were made by some users back in 2016-18 period to create the article called Manjappada. But the fan club was not notable at that time and failed WP:GNG. There were no reliable sources also. The Kerala Blasters article were also too short at that time.Thus Manjappada was redirected into the support section of Kerala Blasters.

3. But the scenario has changed now. Three more years has passed and the Kerala Blasters article is now around 103,000 bytes and the fan club has more than enough coverage and multiple reliable independent sources are present which includes sources from 1.[[1]] 2.[[2]] 3.[[3]] 4.[[4]] ..etc which makes it pass WP:GNG. So the support section must be splitted out from the main article under the title Manjappada. WhiteFalcon1 (talk) 09:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Support: As per the sources in the support section, its evident that the fan club meets notability criteria. Also the content in the support section seems off the topic that covers almost entirely about the fan club and its importance. The Kerala Blasters article is also large enough now to consider splitting. Shahoodu (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: The fan club meets notability criteria, the sources back this up, this fan group is quite significant. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support : As per the nom, the contents in the support section covers mainly about the supporters group. Also the plenty of sources in the support section shows that they are an independently notable supporters group. Indianfootball98 (talk) 02:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Yes the support does meet the notability criteria however the support section is not currently WP:UNDUE with the improvements made recently to the overall article. If the article had not been improved and the Support section was UNDUE within the context of the overall article I would have been in favour of a split. The 100,00 byte reasoning is somewhat obsolete in the context of the context of typically improved internet speeds and the efficiency of the mobile browser, xtools also show the prose is currently just under 23kb. Would not object to Manjappada being bolded within the Supporters section as there is already a redirect there from Manjappada. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There are more than enough sources available on the internet to make this page similar to Emerald City Supporters which is an independent supporters group. Its important that beyond just their engagement with Kerala Blasters, the fan group is involved in a lot more activities not just as a fan group, but as a organisation. Like the nominator said, Manjappada was redirected earlier due lack of reliable sources and size. So considering its current size and notability, I strongly suggest this page should exist as a seperate article. Thankyou Shahoodu (talk) 05:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support:The 100,00 byte reasoning is surely a factor to consider. Internet speed is not same as everywhere. As this club comes from India, the majority readers will be also Indians. As an Indian, let me tell the situation in my country. As per the report from a study, India ranks 131st in internet speed among the 138 countries included in the survey. 1.[[5]] 2.[[6]]. These reports just came yesterday. I would like to stress one point in the report here In some locations, you may get good speeds while in others you cant even refresh facebook. This is the case in the rural areas. Lot of places are there in the country where there is not even sufficient speed to browse the things such as wikipedia. Its also evident from the sources that the fan club is independent from the club which they support in many ways . So by considering the eminent size of this article also,I support the splitting. Sullyboywiki (talk) 06:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Plenty of in depth coverage in multiple sources including Major national newspaper which is green on Perennial source. The supporters group is independent from the Kerala Blasters in many ways considering their support for the Indian national football team and engagement in other social activities. Iamfarzan (talk) 02:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per nom:The supporters group is independent from the club from the club and have more contents and enough coverage to exist as a seperate article.TWFcode (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: ArnabSaha (talk · contribs) 07:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
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    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
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  7. Overall:
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Comments[edit]

  • Why its named "Manjappada Kerala Blasters Fans" instead of just Manjappada? I couldn't even find this in fanclub's website.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 06:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citations aren't properly formatted. Like author's name, source date missing.  Done Iamfarzan (talk) 14:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Awards and recognition" - this part is unsourced.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 07:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Swap the positions of "controversy" and "Awards" section.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 06:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...claimed them as Manjappada members" - the citation doesnt say this. It says, "member of manjappada"  Done Shahoodu (talk) 06:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Chants and tifos" - the section says noting about chants.  DoneShahoodu (talk) 07:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Integrate "Women's group" in history. its just a single sentence para. (MOS:PARA)  Done Shahoodu (talk) 06:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add English translations for non-English citations.  Done Iamfarzan (talk) 14:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation [40] is a dead link.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 07:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Manjappada have an ... games to fans." - unencyclopaedic.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 07:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Awards and recognition" add prose to this section.  Done Poppified (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • An image is notimated for deletion. Done Shahoodu (talk) 07:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid caps in citations like in citation [23]. (WP:ALLCAPS)  Done Iamfarzan (talk) 14:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Break the lead into 2 parts and expand them a bit.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 14:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Needs a lit bit more expansion. Add the establishment time, travelling fans, yellow colour. This would be my final point of the review.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  12:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)  Done Poppified (talk) 13:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation doesn't say manjappda won 2020 fan club award.  DoneShahoodu (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • How boycotting matches is a controversy?  Done Shahoodu (talk) 16:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead should compile all the info present in the body. But things like Indian Sports Honours, 14 districts etc. aren't present in the body. DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It says "12 other Indian states" but, not mentioned in the body.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC) Comment: I missed to add 12. Now its  Done Shahoodu (talk) 09:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid citations in lead. (WP:CITELEAD) DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the chant, use {{Quote box}} instead of the existing {{Quote}}  Done Shahoodu (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention with citation that manjappada means yellow army, in the body. DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Not everyone who... - this starts with quotation, but doesn't end.  DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think its required to mention "The 12th Man" in the lead. Its a normal thing for all the clubs. Nothing distinct. Even there's a article on this 12th man (football).  DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there's not specific author of any source, nothing required to mention. Like its mentioned 'no-author' incitation [48]. its not required  DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • This still exists. Like in citation [30] Goal is written in author's name.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)  Done Iamfarzan (talk) 06:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The citation [39] doesn't prove this "The group wear as..."  Done
  • Use – between years. (2020–21, instead of 2020-21)  DoneShahoodu (talk) 17:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation [90] is a blog. Need a another source (WP:BLOG). Comment: Couldnt fins better source. So removed it from lede and body  Done Shahoodu (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It mentions "ISL" multiple times. A first time reader will have no idea what ISL is. Add "Indian Super League (ISL)" wherever its mentioned first.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 06:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation [13] doesnt say, Manjapadda is spread accross 44 countries.
    • Comment: Added proper citation  Done Shahoodu (talk) 08:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " ..49,000 during the inaugural season" - link the inaugural season with the season article.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...150 flags are used for each game." - citation doesn't say 150 flags. Try to solve the data issues like these.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The active social ... to fans." - Even smaller fanclubs provide regular updates in social media. so, I dont think, its required to mention.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add "rivalry", "other activities" in the lead as the lead summarises everything in the body.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 17:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the infobox, |Abbreviation=Manjappada. How?? Done Poppified (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink 'keralite' in the body  Done Poppified (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • citation [71] is a dead link  Done Poppified (talk) 16:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • citation [40] is in malayalam. but the title mentioned in ref is in english only. DonePoppified (talk) 16:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • in citation [87], instead of "Manjappada | Heart Beat of Kerala Blasters.", mention only "manjappada"  Done Poppified (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "I can only wish it wont happen again" - won't  Done Poppified (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The event was a initiative aimed at honouring sports" - "an initiative"  Done Poppified (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Manjappada members occupies it during" -- "occupy"  Done Poppified (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the West Block Blues, the largest supporters' group of Bengaluru FC" - citation doesnt say its the largest Done Poppified (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any dimensions available for the tifo? if yes, add it.  Done Poppified (talk)
  • In the section "Chants and tifos", it starts with "Apart from their official anthem, Manjappada..." - I would suggest adding some details for the anthem. search some Malayalam sources. Done Poppified (talk) 08:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • wikilink the first "Kerala" in the body  Done Poppified (talk) 03:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • add an external links section and put the website there.  Done Poppified (talk) 03:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As of when manjapadda is spread over 12 states, 14 districts, 44 countries? and avoid using "currently" (WP:Currently)  Done Poppified (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any other issues.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI[edit]

  • The first sentence in the lead - 'Manjappada are the organised supporters' group of KBFC"... are they the only organised fan group? I suggest changing the to an, or, if you have a source for it, the largest. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 07:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC) Changed the into an  Done Shahoodu (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the logo page provide rationales for WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#2, i.e. for why it is not replaceable by free-use media and why you think it won't hurt the owners commercially, ASAP. (Second point is not too important, but do try to justify NFCC#1). If you cannot then explain why. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 07:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 DonePoppified (talk) 11:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Lee Vilenski (in WP:Discord)[edit]

  • During the 2018–19 season, the Blasters were winless in 14 games and fans became dissatisfied with the management's indifference towards them. Although Manjappada boycotted a December 2018 game against Jamshedpur FC,[19] "We don’t intend to boycott our club’s matches, since our motto is 'Nammalk Nammalund' ('We have us')" stated the group. - not really sure what this means  DoneShahoodu (talk) 14:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Manjappada stand" originated in 2014, during the Blasters' first season.[ - what is this? :Clarified  DoneShahoodu (talk) 14:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Id argue that culture section needs a rewrite - most of it is obvious, or pointless.  Done Shahoodu (talk) 14:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a few refs that have weird |work parameters, such as Sportskeeda APP is the No 1 Personalised Sports APP available today. Just select your fav teams & players and you are done.  Done. Iamfarzan (talk) 13:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Manjappada displaying a tifo
Manjappada displaying a tifo

Improved to Good Article status by Iamfarzan (talk) and Poppified (talk). Nominated by Iamfarzan and Poppified.


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - the citation doesn't say this.
  • Interesting: No - self-promotional.

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: the same issue was pointed out in the GA review, regarding the use of the word "largest". (Another thing, this is my first DYK review. If there's any issue/mistake in the review, please inform)  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please don't overwrite existing hooks. If you have a new alt or additions to an old one, please post them at the bottom with a new alt number, like ALT1, ALT2, ALT3, etc.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1: ... that Manjappada (pictured) is the one of the largest supporters group of the Kochi-based football club Kerala Blasters FC, which competes in the Indian Super League, the top tier of Indian football?
  • The current image is simply too dark in many places. And there's still issue with the hook.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iamfarzan Looks good, but it doesn't say that all of them were manjapdda members. The source say that they were KBFC.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  10:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ArnabSaha, from the source "The fan group ( that is manjappada) was able to coordinate and bring fans to the venue in 41 buses, a feat none of the other fan clubs in ISL have been able to manage so far." that means it's valid I think.Iamfarzan (talk) 11:32, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iamfarzan "bring fans to the venue" - fans and members of manjappada are technically different. all members are fans but all fans aren't members of a fanclub.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  12:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good now. Needs some minor changes. Maybe this...  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ArnabSaha , this one looks good.And about the image it's been updated in commons.I think it's better now.Can you cross check it? Bestwishes Poppified (talk) 14:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done ALT5.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Manjappada roadshow
Manjappada roadshow
  • I've restored the other image here. I think it's much more interesting and eye-catching than the one above. The promoter can decide. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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