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Semantics

At the beginning of the article, "singer" and "musician" are separate. Is that normal in English that "singers" are not considered "musicians"? From a musician's point of view, I say it's more logical to say "singer and instrumental musician"... ZappoTheGentleman (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

yes it is normal. might not be correct, but is idiomatic. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Criticism

You forgot to mention the part where Jimmy Fallon is a really unfunny person —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.55.166.244 (talk) 06:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hear, hear.Lopside (talk) 21:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

he would not have a shot in SNL, commercials, hosting gigs for mtv vmas, movies and tv show if he is unfunny...if you're a hater what brought you here...? if i know, you're a closet Fallon fan...haha! Jimmy Fallon rocks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.38.195 (talk) 09:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I think that Jimmy Fallon is ok. I rarely watch the show, but I have no reason to not like him. Thank you for your time. --63.3.2.130 (talk) 05:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Things like this have nothing to do with the article. If there was a criticism section it would have to be from television critics. Poliasz (talk) 09:27, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Characters

Nothing about his disc jockey character? I thought that was his funniest bit. He would talk in the traditional radio voice and play different characters on his show. He would say "And we're baaaack!!!" I think it was called Jimmy v and the morning fuzz, or something like that. Then he had Ben Affleck do the skit with him and Affleck imitated Fallon. Pretty funny stuff.

Red Sox Angry???

Where is your source for "numerous red sox fans were angry..." about Fallon and Barrymore running on the field filming their movie?? Every Red Sox fan I know LOVES Fever Pitch.

Get a Better Picture?

Can someone add a better picture of Fallon? Both of these look like he's drunk... or is he always drunk??

I don't think he looks drunk, that's just how he looks a lot of the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.237.15 (talk) 06:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he looks as if he's stoned. Not good for his public image, I'd assume. 98.15.203.22 (talk) 01:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

He looks like Frankenstein's monster. I would add a new image, but I'm not familiar with all the fair usage and such. Can someone please add a better photo, or help me add one? Now that he has his talk show, which is now his main claim to noteriety, there should probably be a photo with him in a suit reflecting this. Belasted (talk) 04:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I asked Steve Garfield about a free image (he's interviewed Jimmy a lot and uses the Creative Commons license in his work). I updated the page with the new image, hope it is "better". Abbey09 (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Fallon at the CES 2009, January 2009
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Fallon at the Tribeca Film Festival, April 2007

Include this bio please

There is no info on history before SNL. Fallon bio

from answers.

Reason for being terminated from SNL

did he leave voluntarily? i heard some rumors that he was fired for constantly cracking up. if we had a reliable source, it would be worth adding to his bio. Themindset 06:51, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

He quit voluntarily.

Stupid Comments

Someone is leaving stupid questions [in these]. These deserve in the discussion section, NOT in the article itself. E.g. "Jimmy Fallons line was cut in Father's Day [What is/Was Father's day?]" Now, I'd like to know what Father's day is, but don't ask a question in the article. I'm gonna try to take some out, but if I leave some, pleaes take the rest out.

Would someone please add a contents table? 

   -Thanks. =D

I could have swarn there was already a photo of him up! Nevertheless, I'll be putting it up on my site, hope no one minds. And if anyone knows who wrote "Vanessa" on the links, I'd like to know. I'm a bit uncomfortable having my name displayed like that.

I think there's a way to leave these comments in such a way that they're visible in the formatting but not the article. Poliasz (talk) 09:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

"...adoring middle aged men"

Am I mistaken or is the line that states, "...Fallon has many fansites devoted to him, mostly made by "adoring middle aged men" vandilism? It used to say "adoring teenaged girls". I'll be changing that and watching the page.

Really? That sucks.

Well okay. I guess that section, and others, are missing altogether.

Post-SNL Deletion

I'm not sure why 68.175.116.169 deleted the section on Fallon's post'SNL career. It seems relevant to his professional backgound, and it didn't seem overly fan-gushy. So I put it back in.

Reason for being terminated from SNL

did he leave voluntarily? i heard some rumors that he was fired for constantly cracking up. if we had a reliable source, it would be worth adding to his bio. Themindset 06:51, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

He quit voluntarily.


Repeated Impersonation

Chris Rock is stated as having been impersonated twice: once in "former snl members" and once on his own.

Fix

Removed stray "Jimmy Fallon is a douche" line from the post-SNL section. I cited that though!!!! Tracey Morgan basically says it in citation no. 2!!!!

Why is nothing on this page signed? Poliasz (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

SNL section

This article seems to be a frequent "sneaky vandal" target, and I have a terribly old computer that dislikes loading pages, so I'll just ask rather than find out when a particular line was added. The SNL section says something about People magazine's "14 year old editor in chief". I can't find anything even remotely related to that, and even if I could, I don't see how it is relevant on a bio. Is that line vandalism that stuck somehow? *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 08:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Tracy Morgan "Feud"

As a source for the rumor that Tracy Morgan found Fallon's behavior offensive, The New York Post is cited which is anything but a credible source. Morgan criticizes this article as being malicious and sensational in his interview with the A.V. Club (http://www.avclub.com/articles/tracy-morgan,14157/). Any objections to deleting this statement? 65.30.177.186 (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

"Career Highlights"

I seriously object to the title of this section, no one who who has seen Jimmy Fallon in one of these roles would consider his acting passable or even moderately funny -- BUT, I digress, my problem is with the use of the term "highlights"; can we switch the title of this section please? Maybe we could call it "Post SNL work", or something like that.

Okay, I'll change it to "Other Work" in a day or two unless someone objects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.97.108 (talk) 22:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Influences

Why won't it let me add influences. Because I would add Adam Sandler, Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien and David Letterman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.5.113.175 (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The article may have been protected at the time. But either way you would need a source. Poliasz (talk) 09:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Gay?

Isn't he?

I think there have been several sourced statements by people in the media referring to his gayness. I don't know if it's enough to include though. It would definitely need to say "according to XYZ" considering he's married. Even if it is a sham. Poliasz (talk) 09:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Or Bi-sexual. Going by sourced statements, he definitely does come across as gay, but is a career obsessed person so he did marry [a woman]. 107.222.205.242 (talk)

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The Dr. Oz Show

There is a paragraph about Fallon's mole removal on the Dr. Oz Show in the Personal Life section of this article. Its well-cited, but I don't see how it falls into the category of his personal life. The fact that he has a mole is the only personal part of that segment and that's not particularly notable. Any objections to the removal of that bit?Comatmebro ~Come at me~ 22:00, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

how many college students are there at any time?

cause I suspect that 50% of them could fit the line "Fallon was such a fan of Saturday Night Live that he made a weekly event of watching it in his dormitory during college." Which isn't sourced and sounds like something only he would know. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Children

Jimmy and Nancy have one child, Winnie Rose Fallon, born in July 2013. All media reports are carful to say that they "welcomed winnie into their family" and not to say that Nancy gave birth. 67.182.232.130 (talk) 14:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

uhm, ok, I'll bite. So maybe the kid was born by somebody else, maybe a surrogate, and then it became theirs? I am actually bit of a tight azz about sources matching "material", some might even say I am a cock, but if no RS says that she gave birth, then the wording should match the sources. What do others think? --Malerooster (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed the dead link and added a new source that says she gave birth. Does that work? The reference needs to be "cleaned" up, but the bare link is there. --Malerooster (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

"Jr."

I know there are some references out there to support that (and references that don't list "Jr."), but I think a definitive source is needed here, like a statement from Fallon or a birth certificate. His father has a different middle name, which would typically mean that Fallon isn't a "Jr." All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 06:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The reference I added yesterday from a recent article in Parade Magazine listed Fallon's full name as being a "James Thomas Fallon, Jr." However, I agree with the removal of this reference and the need for a definitive, primary source. Can you still be "Jr." if you're named after another relative other than your father? Ctufarolo (talk) 16:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Awards

I updated the awards by removing the Emmy awards that he wasn't nominated for and expanding the awards he wasn't nominated for his work and added refs to 2014.

Awards

I updated the awards by removing the Emmy awards that he wasn't nominated for and expanding the awards he wasn't nominated for his work and added refs to 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.8.124 (talk) 05:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

New content is appreciated in articles, however, it is imperative that there be evidence not only new content added but for old content to be replaced. What reliable source can you provide that gives evidence he wasn't nominated for awards that have been part of this article's content for quite sometime and has stood as unchallenged? Help me out here with some reliable, verifiable sources to support your changes. I don't want to revert your edits, but I have to admit your edits look somewhat suspicious and not unlike like vandalism due to the fact that you are using at least two different IP addresses. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 05:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Taxi and Fever Pitch unsuccessful?

In the entry, it desscribes the movies "Taxi" and "Fever Pitch" as unsuccessful which is incorrect because they both grossed more money than their respective budgets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.222.220 (talk) 01:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Orhalfachance

In this edit tagged as "Added content" Orhalfachance (talk · contribs · count), a possible WP:SPA, removed the following sentence and its reference:

Sentence: From 1992 until 2009 Fallon was registered as a Republican.

Reference: <ref>{{cite web| url= http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235505/At-Republican-gets-question-Hillary-NBC-Tonight-s-Jimmy-Fallon-interviews-Clinton-tomorrow-registered-GOP-supporter-18.html | title= At last, a Republican gets to question Hillary | date= 15 September 2015 | first= Laura|last= Collins| work= [[Daily Mail]] | accessdate= 2015-09-18}}</ref>

67.101.7.106 (talk) 05:34, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the removal. The Daily Mail says, Documents seen by Daily Mail Online show that from 1992 until 2009 Fallon, 40, was registered as a Republican at his home in Saugerties, Ulster County, upstate New York. He is now registered in Manhattan as Independent.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235505/At-Republican-gets-question-Hillary-NBC-Tonight-s-Jimmy-Fallon-interviews-Clinton-tomorrow-registered-GOP-supporter-18.html#ixzz3mqu2oc6k

Govindaharihari (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

You are quoting the reference cited by the edit, thus confirming that the edit was legitimate. You have not made a case for its removal. 67.101.7.187 (aka 67.101.7.106) 03:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.101.7.187 (talk)

I don't see his political persuasion as a notable part of his life. He is now independent anyways. Govindaharihari (talk) 03:19, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Asian ancestry?

His eyes look very Asian. There should be some Vietnamese people in his bloodline. The article says, his father fought in Vietnam, so maybe "Jimmy Fallon"'s mother was a Vietnamese? All this talk of European ancestry just doesn't solve the equation. 79.196.232.210 (talk) 06:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Interview with Donald Trump

TropicAces removed a quote from David Sims at the Atlantic calling the interview an "embarrassment" because it's "a clearly biased hyperbole." I'm not quite sure what that means, are you saying Sims is biased against Fallon? In any event, media criticism in a reliable source is clearly relevant to the article so I've re-added the sentence with the citation. FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

But Sim's opinion is clearly non notable and doesn't belong. Add it to the David Sims article if its such a big deal. I wouldn't even include the Trump appearance here. --Malerooster (talk) 15:45, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm not understanding why you think Sims's opinion is "clearly not notable". Notability only applies to article subjects, not the content of articles. Would you remove all criticism from writers for TV shows and movies in general? FuriouslySerene (talk) 17:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
By "biased hyperbole" I mean he personally found the Trump interview a big, offensive deal, but it's not one. It can be included there was some backlash by people on Twitter, but I think including specific pieces about why certain writers thought a Jimmy Fallon interview wasn't a serious, hard breaking interview was offensive is not worth including. No one freaked out over his Hillary interview so I think the Trump hate was all politically-fueled. To include someone who thought it was an "embarrassment" is just one side of an argument because some people who don't like Trump (which, justified haha) were angry he wasn't roasted. TropicAces (talk) 16:26, 21 September 2016 (UTC)tropicAces
I think we need to separate personal feelings from WP content guidelines. If you're calling Sims biased I think you need a reliable source to support that. You can disagree with Sims's criticism, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be included in the article. It's from a reliable source, there were lots of other articles in reliable sources criticizing the interview as well, so it seems like it sums up that criticism pretty well. And you've included Fallon's response in the article, which has balanced it. FuriouslySerene (talk) 17:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

My edits

I don't know why my edits keep getting rejected. I've explained my edits. This is what I've done: Reordered genres, added subjects, spaced Himself/Host to Himself / Host, he appeared in 4 episodes of 30 Rock, and added two shows. Removed Lip Sync Battle because it's not an acting or hosting role. That's all I've done. 2600:387:8:F:0:0:0:C3 (talk) 00:56, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

You don't own this article. "Explaining your edits" in an edit summary is insufficient to make changes when you edits are reverted four times by two different editors. Read WP:BRD. You need to get consensus here to make the changes. Sundayclose (talk) 01:00, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I've never said I did own the page. I've explained my edits numerous times already but you keep ignoring them.2600:387:8:F:0:0:0:C3 (talk) 01:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
@Sundayclose: In this case, I agree with the IP. I don't see any decent explanation of why editors are reverting. A couple are reverting with no explanation which is not unacceptable. --NeilN talk to me 01:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: Thanks for your comment. In my edit summary I stated "Discuss infobox changes on the talk page." Regardless of whether the changes are appropriate, they have been challenged by three editors. IP should have discussed before edit warring. Sundayclose (talk) 01:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I also see an "Unsourced" in there. IP, will you stop reverting and wait for discussion here? --NeilN talk to me 01:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: I also would like for IP to self-revert so that the infobox will be back to where it was before the edits were challenged. If IP will do that, I can ignore the edit warring. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 01:30, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry if I did cause any commotion. I explained my edits numerous times and other users were reverting them including Sunday, without telling me why. So I just kept on explaining it from my point of view. I don't know what happens from here but I hope it's all cool now. 2600:387:8:F:0:0:0:C3 (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Other editors should chime in explaining their objections to your changes. --NeilN talk to me 02:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Since 1998 when he was on Saturday Night Live until the current time (he hosts The Tonight Show) Fallon is known primarily for television. I see no reason IP should have rearranged the items in the infobox other than he/she likes it that way. Another editor has asked for sources, so IP should address that problem as well. Sundayclose (talk) 02:19, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what sources you guys are asking for? All you keep saying is unsourced, but I made a lot of edits so I don't know specifically what you want. I rearranged the order of genres because he started out as a Stand-up, does it in his openings of the show in a way, plus that's the format a lot of comedians: Seth Meyers, David Letterman, Jerry Seinfeld, etc. I don't think the rearrangement of genres is the important factor here, what I want to know is what is unsourced? His filmography? 2600:387:8:F:0:0:0:C3 (talk) 05:06, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Why did you remove Lip Sync Battle from his TV appearances? Sundayclose (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I already explained it. Because it wasn't either an acting or hosting role and it's not an important show to be listed on someones filmography, and the two shows that I added were acting and are eligible to be added.2600:387:8:5:0:0:0:78 (talk) 17:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
So you think you can unilaterally decide what goes into a filmography without discussion? Once again, just because you "explain" something doesn't mean it's OK to do it. That is what I meant by thinking you WP:OWN the article. Please don't remove it again without a consensus. Leave the infobox and that filmography item as they are and I'm OK with the rest of the edit. Sundayclose (talk) 17:25, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Lip Sync Battle is not an important show to be added into someone's filmography. If it was important it would also be to Johnson's filmography since he was on the same episode. But it's not because everyone over there know it is not important to add to someones page. Unless it's an acting or hosting role, and you're just being a hypocrite right now, "So you think you can unilaterally decide what goes into a filmography without discussion", that's what you were doing to me before you said anything, all you said you was "you did more than tweaking the filmography", I didn't know what you're talking about because you specifically never told me the problem. You think just because you have the right to decide what edits get accepted into an article doesn't make you WP:OWN this whole page. There are other editors involved, with or without accounts, who are trying to make Wikipedia pages good but people like you just see an IP and start reverting because all you can think of are either vandalizing or adding unsourced material.2600:387:8:5:0:0:0:78 (talk) 18:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
There are a few things you don't seem to know yet about how Wikipedia works, and that's understandable if this is your first venture into editing. First, when there is disagreement about an edit, it is resolved by discussion on the talk page. Secondly, how something is done on another article is almost never an acceptable rationale for doing it in a different article. As I have said, leave the infobox and the filmography item alone and you can make the rest of your edit as far as I'm concerned. I suggest you accept that and move on. But if not you need to wait for a consensus here before making the changes. As I don't plan to continue repeating myself, this is my final comment on the matter unless other editors want to discuss further. Thank you for addressing these issues on the talk page instead of continuing to edit war. Sundayclose (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

You were the one causing this mess, I made the edits to update the filmography and infobox that was cleared for viewers. 207.233.88.251 (talk) 21:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ragtime Gals

Jimmy's membership in the Ragtime Gals and their appearances seems like they deserve a mention. What would be the best way to incorporate a mention into this article? I am open to suggestions. Here's an article I found about the group's formation. http://thecomicscomic.com/2013/03/26/bringing-barbershop-back-comedian-tom-shillue-the-ragtime-gals-late-night-jimmy-fallo/ Pawsplay (talk) 05:17, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Musician?

Lead says he's a musician. Any sources? What does he play? MartinezMD (talk) 01:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Citations

There was an "additional citations needed" tag on the page from around half a year ago. I added some sources and took care of citation needed tags, so I went ahead and removed that. If anyone would like to discuss this with me further, just ping me. StewdioMACK (talk) 12:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2018

Add category: Communication Degree Holders Beeareeye (talk) 20:14, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: That category is currently listed at WP:CFD. If the category is retained after that discussion closes feel free to reopen this request. —KuyaBriBriTalk 21:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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Irish, German, Norwegian?

All three of those are ethnically Germanic. And yet he has brown skin, brown hair, and brown eyes. These are not phenotypic expressions of any of those sub ethnic groups, or the Germanic people. I suspect something is missing from his early life / ancestry section, as no Irish/German/Norwegians anywhere on Earth look like Jimmy. 121.210.33.50 (talk) 05:38, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

very good point - but in Wikipedia there is no awareness of ethnic background, but nationality is the goal. I agree with you. he might be of a minority in those countries?

Including names of daughters

@JDDJS and Binksternet: as I understand it, we restored the names of Fallon's daughters on the rationale that their names have been publicly released, and since their prominent appearances in his "Tonight Show @ Home" they have become public figures. We commonly release the names of child actors; this is no different. Elizium23 (talk) 03:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

We're not to the level of Shirley Temple yet, or even Rodney Allen Rippy. I see child fame as a continuum, with the privacy of the Fallon kids still possible in circles less familiar with the topic. Binksternet (talk) 03:32, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
I might argue they are approaching independent notability - [1] [2] [3] three articles specifically on Winnie and Franny. Seems to me that the cat's out of the bag. Elizium23 (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, and added them back into the article. His kids appeared in just about every episode of the at home show. They are basically child entertainers at this point. Absolutely no reason to not include them. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:35, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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