Talk:I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)/Archive 1

Infobox

An infobox for the Hillside Singers version was requested at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_songs/7. Done Wasn't the original "i'd like to buy the world a coke" but the lyrics had to be changed for the pop record to air on non-commercial radio / tv?

As I remember it, the pop song was first, then the rights were purchased by Coke not long after the song came out and then the commercials made. However a quick Google search hasn't turned up proof one way or another. Until someone can come up with a definitive word on the chronology, I'm removing references to which was first. -- Infrogmation 17:45 Dec 3, 2002 (UTC)

The commercial came first. See this: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ccmphtml/colaadv.html soulpatch

Ah, thanks for the reference. The melody was based on a Roger Cook-Roger Greenaway song that Cook and Davis reworked to incorporate the melody used for the campaign slogan "It's the Real Thing." So it seems that the melody came first, then the Coke lyrics, then the non-Coke lyrics. -- Infrogmation

I didn't know that the melody originated elsewhere. maybe that should be worked in with the part I just added on Oasis, or maybe that part should be moved to the appropriate author's article (if we have one already). --KQ 21:58 Dec 3, 2002 (UTC)

Coke ad/South Africa fact

Hi; I'm trying to find out if I can track or verify the source for the South Africa fact in the "I'd Like to Teach the World To Sing" article.

Who sang THE most famous version, the commercial?

I keep reading this article and I still can't tell who sang on the commercial, which is one of (if not the) most important facts. I see the non-television singers clearly, but if the article shows who sang the most famous version, it's difficult to find, or simply omitted, as it's currently written.24.27.72.99 (talk) 06:41, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully my recent edit has clarified that the music used for the television commercial was recorded by English pop group The Seekers.synthfiend (talk) 15:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

It was added by an anonymous editor. Given its lack of citation and questionable nature, I'm removing it. If anyone can confirm and cite, please do. Friday 03:32, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

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Origin comment / question (moved from article)

Although I don't disagree with whomever donated this section. I remember way back many years ago the origin for this song was a translation of a scandahoovian +/- prayer, the +/- represents I am unsure of the original launguage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.58.84.142 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

More on song's origins

There's a four-page pamphlet on the origins of the song on the Coca-Cola Web site; I've added this as a reference. However, there's possible conflict between that and other sources.

The pamphlet declares that the melody originated as "Mom, True Love and Apple Pie" by Cook and Greenway, and was specifically written as a jingle candidate. No mention of Susan Shirley or a release prior to the commercial.

However, many other search hits go with what the article says, which is that this was a recorded as "True Love and Apple Pie" in 1971 by Susan Shirley. Most of these don't look definitive, but there's one, http://lesreed.com/ , that looks like it might be a definitive Roger Cook Web site ( but why is it under the domain name "lesreed"? ) -- go to the discography and search for "pie". There's even a link promising to go to an audio clip, I can't listen to it since I'm not currently on a Winders box and the site is welded to IE and WMP.

So this needs to be reconciled or at least noted. I may pick this up later if no one else does.--NapoliRoma 17:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC

I've got to wonder too if this song was first available as a non-commerical. I have vague recollections of knowing it followed by vivid ones of being surprised when it appeared in the "give the world a coke" commercials. I would have been 9 in '71. I haven't changed anything since my memory isn't a usable footnote. However, I'm wondering if coke is a good resource since they aren't impartial to the matter. Did that exact same line appear in later year commericals, (which would have fooled me)? I remember it distinctly as give the world a coke. Also a name for it with apple pie and nothing like the song lyrics sounds very vaguely familar for some song I learned in camp growing up. User:76.111.23.140 08:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

This site [1] linked from this one [2] may not be a usable citation, but it might answer your questions. Also, in future please sign your posts by using four tildes. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 12:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see four tildes on yours or anyone else. What are you referring to? I haven't commented much on wiki, am I missing something? Often on the internet someone says something, which then gets repeated, until it becomes accepted. I'm not sure I'd take a blog or none-published media as anything more than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.23.140 (talk) 15:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

That's because when you hit "save", the system converts the four tildes. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't document this but "True Love and Apple Pie" was definitely played quite frequently on Radio Luxembourg well before the Coke advert came to the UK but as with most pop songs it just faded away. I can remember when I first heard the Coke version that it was obvious that it had been recycled. Not having taken any great interest in the subject over the years I've always assumed this was an established fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.26.55 (talk) 10:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I too kind of have to question the account given here. During my freshman year of college (1969-1970), a young woman I dated had on her bulletin board sheet music for the song "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)". I was unfamiliar with the song at that time. This could not have been later, as the relationship ended during the summer of 1970; but I think I remember it from around the very end of 1969. So I have to question any account which gives the origin of the song as no earlier than 1971. I can't, alas, document this beyond my own memory, but I'm quite sure of what I saw. Davecat4 (talk) 00:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

It's difficult to believe that sheet music was published and available for purchase -- under that title, no less -- prior to the commercial becoming a hit. Sadly, human memory is notoriously unreliable, so I'm inclined to think that you're mistaken. It's nothing personal; it's just biology. Powers ^T 14:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

New Seekers

This article has gone a bit askew. The New Seekers' version was the one that reached UK#1 and US#7, but this isn't properly mentioned - and I'm not sure that it was their version that was used for the original advert. They didn't release it till the end of the year as a single. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)(talk) 01:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Christmas version

When and where was the Christmas version filmed ? —MJBurrage^(T•C) 14:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Which hilltop for the ad?

I was curious about the actual hilltop used in the ad. Supposedly it was near Sacrofano.[3] I browsed Google Earth, and there are several hills nearby, so I cannot deduce which one. — Eoghanacht ^talk 03:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

National Lampoon parody

Although not worthy of inclusion in the article, I can't help but post the National Lampoon parody subscription offer (which I can only recall from memory - will any other Wikipedian be able to locate the actual issue of the Lampoon with it?)

It's the real thing (and the joke is) only $6.95.......

As I recall there were also gag photos with it, parodying the original "mountaintop" commercial.

Partnerfrance (talk) 10:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 09 April 2014

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:07, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (in Perfect Harmony) → I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony) – The time has come to revisit this move request, as the phrasing of MOS:CT is now reasonably clear to indicate that the "I" must be upper case. MOS:MUSIC#Capitalization now simply refers to MOS:CT, so the inconsistence between the two guidelines, which was the only reason for the rejection of the previous proposal, is resolved. Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support per capitalization style. -- JHunterJ (talk) 23:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• Question non-capitalisation implies shortened verse/title. Capitalisation implies an alternative title. Which is it in this case? ^walk victor falk ^talk 01:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

  How does capitalization imply an alternative title? MOS:CT: "For titles with subtitles or parenthetical phrases, capitalize as if they were separate titles (e.g. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper")." not "For titles with an alternative title in parentheses, capitalize..." So, capitalization inside parentheses implies nothing except a parenthetical phrase, which is what we have here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Christian version

Does anybody remember a Christian (read: Evangelical Protestant) appropriation of the song, with religious lyrics substituting for the Coca-Cola ones? I heard one in the 1970's, but couldn't document it to save my life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.106.79.54 (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Wrong year

A quick Google on No.1's in the UK and US show it was not a hit in 1971, but was in 1972. Entry states the final season of Mad Men took place in 1969 when it really too place in 1970. Google it.

86.3.248.206 (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Darenn

Yes, but perhaps a bit too quick! It was released in late 1971 and became a hit in 1971 but reached No.1 in January 1972.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Move request (2012 February)

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The result of the move request was: moved to I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (in Perfect Harmony). Favonian (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony) → I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (in Perfect Harmony) – Parenthetical titles should be capitalized as if there were no parentheses, i.e. "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing in Perfect Harmony", and in that case, in should not be capitalized. --The Evil IP address (talk) 09:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose; actual practice is to capitalize each part of the title as if it stood alone. Powers ^T 19:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
  • This practice could lead to quite awkward results with articles like "(You're the) Devil in Disguise". --The Evil IP address (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
    • You're right; I'm misremembering the guideline. WP:Manual of Style/Music#Capitalization says: "Titles that include parentheses should be capitalized as follows: the part outside the parentheses should be capitalized as if the parenthetical words are not present; the part inside the parentheses should be capitalized as if there were no parentheses at all." Thus, I Support the proposal. I apologize. Powers ^T 04:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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MOS madness

Yet another stupid decision by Favonian. See you on WP:ANI. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The correct decision was made per the manual of style, as far as I can see. Powers ^T 00:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Capitalization now refers to MOS:CT, which simply states "For titles with subtitles or parenthetical phrases, capitalize as if they were separate titles (e.g. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper")", which implies a capital I. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move (2012 March)

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The result of the move request was: moved. Usually our own in-house style guidelines will trump outside sources on capitalization issues, but in this case, our own guidelines contradict each other. Therefore we shall default to using name as it's found in reliable sources. Aervanath (talk) 23:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC) Seeing as how the style guidelines are rapidly being reconciled, it seems obvious that the prior decision was contrary to the wider community consensus. As such, I have reverted to the prior, stable title; should the style guidelines change again, the discussion can be revisited.--Aervanath (talk) 01:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (in Perfect Harmony) → I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony) – In reliable source usage, "In" predominates over "in". While this may seem to conflict with MOS guidelines, the box at the top of WP:MOS does state "Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." and I think this is such an exception. 28bytes (talk) 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

• For information, I repeat what I wrote elsewhere: My quick Google Books search turned up contemporary issues of Newsweek and Billboard, from December 1971 and 1972, that both use "In" rather than "in" and don't use all-capitals. (I found other spellings, but they weren't anywhere near contemporary.) Our concern should be factual accuracy and what the name actually is, not some arbitrary house style choice. The previous discussion failed to even touch upon that point. Uncle G (talk) 22:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose there doesn't appear to be a compelling reason for an exception to our standard policy/guideline here. With regards to house style, much as it is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument (although it is our 444th most popular article) we do follow our house style for iPod Touch rather than Apple's preferred naming style of iPod touch -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support - there is a very compelling reason for an exception, etc; it's called Original Research. If reliable sources state that something is spelled/capitalised one way, for Wikipedia to decide "we will spell/capitalise it this other way - contradicting the reliable sources - because we say this is how we spell/capitalise things; we are right and the sources are wrong" is the very epitome of WP:OR. In this case, multiple reliable sources caitalise the "I" in "In"; we have no business saying "no, that's wrong, it's a lowercase i" as it is patently misleading and erronious as well as being against policy. For Wikipedia to have a "house style" decreed to trump reliable sources makes a mockery of our very own content policies. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't really see how that makes any sense. This is a pure style issue. If we decided to use ISO 8601 dates (yyyy-mm-dd) in our articles it wouldn't be "original research" to use those dates in articles about Americans even though Americans would still use American style dates.
  • Original research means we can't call this article "Some Elvis song" or something like that - and doesn't affect trivial capitalisation changes to meet our style guidelines. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:06, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
    • "No original research" actually has no bearing on what we title articles. That guideline refers to article content, not titling. For titling, WP:COMMONNAME is the operative guideline, which makes reference to reliable sources but does allow for descriptive phrases not found in other sources. Powers ^T 16:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose, it's most certainly always a good idea to look at what reliable sources call something. I don't even suggest that the capitalization in reliable sources is wrong, but one must always remember that Wikipedia has a different context than the reliable sources from which we take a song's capitalization. It may be perfectly fine to capitalize the "in" in the context of the reliable source, but we're different in that we apply our own styles to these titles. While I'm always open for exceptions when they're necessary, there's no reason given what makes this article special for an exception from these rules. --The Evil IP address (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. We cannot maintain a consistent house style by slavishly following sources on matters of orthography. The result would be a horrendous mish-mash of styles that in no way would resemble a professionally edited encyclopedia. We can and should refer to sources when determining what the title of an article should be, but not how that title is rendered. Every publisher has its own house style, as should we. Powers ^T 16:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. I can understand the desire to stick exactly to original capitalization, but if we consider the record and music itself to be the best reliable sources, we find that the sleeve has all the words in caps and the sheet music has the first eight words in caps - I am sure no one would suggest we follow either! This is a perfect example of when we're best off sticking to house style consistency.  ⊃°HotCrocodile…… + 06:28, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support move - The requested title is the actual real-world name of the song, as made by the song's creators and owners, and as such it supercedes MoS, which is only a guideline and not a set of hard-and-fast rules which must be followed no matter what. Wikipedia, like every encycylopedia, must reflect reality and not impose its own reality on the world. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • So you would support moving this article to Everything you always wanted to know about sex* (*BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK)? Powers ^T 20:05, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support per Uncle G. I'm seeing the same results when I search Book and News sources in Google; overwhelmingly the capital 'I' is used when parentheses are. --DeLarge (talk) 16:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. At Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Apparent conflict of guidelines, I've brought up what appears to be a case of conflicting MOS guidelines on this point. I'm expressing no opinion on the requested move at the moment. Deor (talk) 19:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Edit request: 愛するハーモニー

Please move the paragraph about "愛するハーモニー" the Japanese version, into the "Covers" section, where it belongs, since it is a cover version [4] of the song. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 05:37, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done Yes done, the info is unsourced and no notability is established (or who it's even by).--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 23:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Mad Men was 1970 not 1969

 Done

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015

1970 not 1969 2602:304:CC95:4D50:95E9:DFDD:4466:B793 (talk) 05:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015

Mad Men season 7 finale was set in the fall of 1970. 73.194.237.177 (talk) 05:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015

The final scene in the Mad Men series was actually set in October 1970, as indicated by a reference to Halloween in the final episode, and by a reference to breaking a speed record in Utah, which occurred that month. I just saw the episode and read the facts that I just cited in a New York Times recap that was published the same night the show aired. 76.21.1.11 (talk) 05:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 17:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015

It incorrectly sites Bill Backer as the creator of the hit jingle, when it was really Don Draper of ME. Kaptainvoxel (talk) 15:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 17:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

edit request "Hilltop"

Please add

"The ad cost $250,000, the most expensive commercial in history, at that time."

To the "Hilltop" bullet point.

References

-- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done

EL edit request

Please add the official Coca-Cola Corporation webpage about this advert to the external links http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/coke-lore-hilltop-story

• Coca-Cola Company, The Making of 'I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke'

This will allow linkage to an official version of the song, and the original advert this article is about, from an official and authorized source

-- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 08:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done

edit request

In the chronology below of when the commercial has been used, I would like to add "In 2015, the commercial in its original form was used as the final scene of the final episode of AMC's popular television series 'MadMen'. " There are numerous references to this scene online, of course, but this link from the New York Times is a good start: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/business/media/coke-spot-mad-men-finale.html?_r=0

Excerpt of current article's chronology (suggestion above to follow this excerpt): In 2010, Coca-Cola once again used the song in a television commercial featuring the entire line of its sponsored NASCAR Sprint Cup drivers. The commercial included the drivers singing the song while driving in a race.[citation needed] In 2011, information on how many dollars it would take "to buy the world a Coke" was given in a commercial featuring the red silhouette of a Coke bottle and the melody of the song.[citation needed]

Suggested insertion: "In 2015, the commercial in its original form was used as the final scene of the final episode of AMC's popular television series 'MadMen'. "

thank you John Mittnacht 72.89.121.209 (talk) 14:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Kharkiv07 (T) 19:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding Citations

There is a citation needed for the Kidsong's version existing.

It's original release date was 1986 according to my old VHS box for the tape, which matches the data found on the IMDB site for the movie. I'm not sure if IMDB counts as "credible" though.

68.69.250.13 (talk) 05:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)Lineov

Irrelevant Nonsense?

What's the meaning of the phrase about 3 people joining the Candies? It's in the Covers section, on the same line as a relevant statement about a Japanese version. Steve8394 (talk) 20:07, 13 February 2016 (UTC)