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Nut or not?

The introduction of this article says a coconut is not a nut. Further down the page, it is described as a "dry nut" or "drupe." Can someone please clarify and correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.75.198 (talk) 14:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to know too. Because it's saying that it's both a fruit & a nut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.118.100 (talk) 06:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/features/coconutis.html says that it's not a fruit or a nut, it's a seed Adw2000 (talk) 13:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I've corrected the 'nut' section to be accurate, but it is still misleading since we have a section called 'nut' that now says it is not a nut. Is there anyone out there that really knows their nuts and can resolve all this nut confusion? --Ant (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Such confusion is caused by multiple meanings of a single word. In general English usage, a nut is a large seed suitable for use as food. In botanical usage, a nut is a certain sort of fruit, containing a single seed. Thus, the nut (large seed) of a coconut is a nut, but the entire fruit (including the husk) is not a nut. Neither is the tree. Jay L09 (talk) 16:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Coconut water as IV fluid replacement

Coconut water is nearly identical to blood plasma and has been know to been used as an intravenous hydration fluid when there is a lack of standard IV fluid.

That's a very interesting comment, does anyone have a reliable reference for this? It strikes me as the sort of information that could easily be an urban legend. --PJF (talk) 01:43, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I found a study at www.herdin.ph using a google search. It claims :

Coconut water was found to be sterile, non-pyrogenic, non-hemolytic

and non-antigenic. Results of experiments with rabbits, rats, and dogs indicated that coconut water is non-toxic and given by intravenous infusion does not cause significant change in the electrolyte composition, osmolarity and pH of the blood. Initial tolerance studies among 9 human volunteers revealed that there was no significant change in electrolyte composition of the blood, in blood pressure, pulse rate or respiration indicating that coconut water could be a safe and

useful intravenous fluid.(Author:Pama MAP,1984)

BCKILLa 16:33, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

- That reference you cite doesn't mention coconut's similarity to human blood plasma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.75.198 (talk) 14:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Reference term used by teens

"coconuts is also a term used by many teens to refer to their status in a relationship. As of now their are 10 coconuts and each one has its own step. It is very similar to the term "bases". This has become a very large term in modern day pop-culture and should be added somewhere to the coconut page because it has a large significance.: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandiniman (talk • contribs) 07:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not a term used by teens or anyone else. Can't find a single source for this claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.75.198 (talk) 14:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Never heard this term used before, can you find any reference sources? Arafitos (talk) 23:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Opening a coconut

There should be a section on opening the nut, as many people just blindly think Hulk Smash and don't know the subtlies of it. --Elijah 19:44, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)

does anyone know how to remove the flesh of a coconut without actually smashing it? i cut the tip off so there is a 5cm wide gap in the top but i cant get the flesh out. i want it like this so i can make sonething out of it. like is there something that will dissolve the meat or anything like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xavious.nightshade (talk • contribs) 22:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Well thats what I've been doing and tastes OK to me Jackliddle 13:20, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to know how to properly open a young coconut. Swinging a cleaver to it just looks too dangerous!24.83.178.11 12:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)BeeCier
Over here it usually involves a screwdriver and a hammer. And some subtlety, yes. However, this doesn't appear too encyclopedic to me. I honestly think this paragraph should be removed, partly because it's almost unsourcable and partly because it's a plain wikihow topic. -The preceding signed comment was added by Nazgjunk (talk • contrib) 15:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, how a coconut is opened should be a part of the article. This section, even though it has a wikihow flavour, gives a good image of how it is done.Fernando Hulio 21:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

That kills me

Perhaps a falling coconut won't kill you, but it's not a good idea to stand under a falling coconut to prove it, since it will be travelling about 80kph when it hits you.... Trekphiler 17:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Imagine the shape the poor coconut'd be in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk • contribs).

I'd imagine a falling coconut from 30 metres landing on your head will do a lot of damage Franz-kafka 06:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it can. Depending on how tall the tree is, it would be easy. When coconuts fall in my front yard, they are well over 3 pounds. They're like bowling balls. --Moop stick | (Talk) 18:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

For a laugh, see Tom Hanks in the film Cast Away where he has trouble opening a coconut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.139.53 (talk) 05:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Unverified addition

Can anyone veryify this addition (new text in italics) by IP number 69.228.230.218:

Coconuts are extensively used in Hindu religious rites. Coconuts are usually offered to the gods, and a coconut is smashed on the ground or on some object as part of an initiation or inauguration of building projects, facility, ship, etc., in order to please the god vighneswar -- literarily the god of troubles and distractions.

Have reverted for the time being, but if this can be verified, it should be included - MPF 11:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

yes its true. It is practised thorughout India by Hindus. Check this link http://www.saranam.com/guide/?n=Puja.DefinitionOfPuja

--Crazysoul 07:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

monkey?

can we get a prove of the monkey thing? i mean monkeys are cool and all but i would like it if we had a link to prove this... thanks ----neil

The monkey face etymology or the harvesting monkeys? (though having cites for both wouldn't hurt either) Femto 12:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
For the harvesting monkeys see this travel brochure for example. Femto 13:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I saw monkey doing it in Thailand on the travel TV show Globetrekker. Levine2112 04:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

"Jobrans" (rats?)

[The coconut] is also commonly used as a herbal remedy, in Pakistan, to treat bites from creatures knows as Jobrans, otherwise knows as rats in England.

First, I think this ought to be verified and, if it's correct, expanded upon a bit (for instance explaining if there is any scientific merit to it). Also I'd like to make sure that "jobran" is just a word for "rat", in which case the article should simply say "rats". - furrykef (Talk at me) 21:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Coconut bras

They must be horribly uncomfortable. Vitriol 23:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice try of a pickup line, but I don't think it'll make the girls take'em off. :-p Femto 12:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha ha good one.--118.92.27.198 (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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Coconut-shell Bomb?

I'd like to see a citation on this actually being done. --JD79 01:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It does not say that it was ever done, it says that such a device could be made. Would you like citation on people throwing coconuts too? --Superslash 06:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Only for the bomb making, WP:V. If it wasn't ever done, keep that nonsense out of the uses section. And the non-fact that heavy objects can be thrown shouldn't be in the article in the first place, so removed it all. Femto 12:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I would normally agree but again it did not say that it had been done but only that a coconut explosive COULD be made. If that's your only objection would you stand for having that re-inserted if I were to actually make one? ("Actually officer I'm doing this for an encyclopedia entry.") --Superslash 03:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
No, that would be original research. What COULD be made has no encyclopedic notability whatsoever. Just like if I were to actually make earmuffs out of hamburgers wouldn't belong into an encyclopedia either. Femto 13:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding throwing heavy objects, I just wanted to share this edit with you. (There were similar edits to topics such as fork, fire extinguisher, shovel, scissors, crowbar, tire iron, chair.) The point is we don't need citations for pointless facts because we don't need pointless facts in the first place. Femto 12:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Oils from Coconut

Someone needs to add information about the various kinds of oil that come from coconuts and palm trees and their various nutritional qualities. I don't know much about it, but these come to mind: coconut oil, palm oil, palm kernel oil, palm fruit oil.--Caleb Murdock 11:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Good point. There's already a Coconut oil article, so it shouldn't be too hard to summarize here. Melchoir 15:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Coconut oil is used for cooking. I remember eating food prepared with it when I was a child and there was shortage of soybean oil. I live in Brazil. jggouvea 02:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Disputed sentence

Can anyone verify or otherwise the following disputed sentence? - MPF 19:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

An alternative method is to first drain the juice from the coconut and then place it in an oven at 180 °C for 20 minutes. The heat will crack the shell as well as loosen the flesh, enough so that it will almost fall off.

Origin of the name Coco

Dictionary Coco or Côca: ««papão;abóbora vazia (ou panela) com buracos representativos dos olhos e da boca com uma luz dentro, para meter medo, à noite;feiticeira;»»(in Portuguese) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.152.94.57 (talk • contribs).

««When viewed on end, the endocarp and germination pores resemble the face of a monkey, the Portuguese word for which is macaco, sometimes abbreviated to coco, hence the name of the fruit. »»

"Macaco" (monkey) has nothing to do with "coco". The origin of the name is from "Coco" (or Côca) a carved vegetable lamp from Portuguese folklore. It is also a witch or a kind of boogyman or ghost. This is the origin of the name. Check the Portuguese page pt: côca or pt:coqueiro. Any Portuguese or Spanish dictionary gives the meaning.
The meaning of coco as derived from macaco was taken from which sources? Because the page had it correct, it derives from coco or côca the word for a scarey boogyman or ghost. I am reverting it back to the original meaning. Ega 14:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I also believe that this is right. Coco meaning ghost... but why does the article say it comes from the skin? Have you ever looked at the coconut? You will clearly see the ghostly "face" that must have inspired the name.--90.23.150.151 (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Split

Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (flora), this page ought to be split into two separate articles:

  1. Cocos nucifera, to take the taxobox and contain a description of the plant species, its taxonomy, distribution, ecology, etc.
  2. Coconut, to discuss the fruit, its nutritional information, its culinary, cultural and other uses, etc

Obviously there would be some overlap between the two, e.g. cultivation, where the split would need to be handled with care.

There's no rush to do this; I just wanted to give interested parties a heads-up. Hesperian 02:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

i agree. but will that go for most other trees/fruits? (apple vs apple tree). Obrez
Yes, Apple/Malus domestica, Maize/Zea mays, Rice/Oryza sativa/Oryza glaberrima, and so on. Why I chose to mention it on this page first is anyone's guess. Hesperian 10:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

another picture

propose to add another photo to the article:

Coconut Husk and Inner core.

maybe to the gallery at the end. it shows husk and inner hard core. Obrez 08:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a mention that in old US cartoons coconuts were usually shown already peeled hanging from the coconut trees? jggouvea 02:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (Just for the fun of it)

Spacing

The article is pretty table and picture heavy, I've spent a while finicking the spacing and formatting to try to get it to look nice, but I don't know how it looks on other browsers. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments regarding where the pics, nutrient tables, headings, etc are? I ask because of Thomas27's spacing change and I'm wondering if all my efforts to make it look pretty are for naught because it only works on my browser. WLU 02:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Other Species

I think there should be some mention about the following palm species in the article: Voanioala gerardii (Forest Coconut), & Jubaeopsis caffra (Pondoland Coconut). Neither species have any article of their own, both are closely related to the Common Coconut (Cocos nucifera) & both produce edible nuts which look & taste like Common Coconuts (Though neither are usually eaten because the Forest Coconut is too rare & the Pondoland Coconut is too tiny, only worth eating if you happen to be near a tree & want a snack). There should also be some mention of Acrocomia aculeata (Corozo), because the seed looks like a small coconut & the pulp in the seed looks & tastes like coconut; also some call it the Paraguayan Coconut. Pondoland Coconut, PACSOA, Pondoland Coconut, PACSOA, Forest Coconut, PACSOA, Corozo.- 22:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Update: Evidently it's not the Corozo seed that is cooked, it is the fruit. The seed is eaten raw. - 21:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Person

Is this section true? In what country? Simoriah 18:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)simoriah

Questions: Will dehusking a coconut help it germinate faster? Will it germinate at all if dehusked? I live in south florida (trasure coast) and have had nothing but bad luck trying to grow a coconut. I've had two sprout to about 5 inches, then die on me. Hopefully someone can help. Thanks

This is not a forum. Please ask your questions elsewhere --95.223.187.114 (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC) Guest

Suggest removing "Growing in the US"

I can see no point in having paragraphs dedicated to external horticultural applications in just one nation. Unless we are prepared to dedicate similar space to growth in every nation on Earth this should be deleted.Ethel Aardvark 04:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I think that the content should be trimmed a bit and the limits and issues of growing coconuts in other areas of the world be added. Also, the vast majority of the article is about coconuts in the world. A global view tag would only be necessary if the article talked mostly about coconuts in the U.S., Europe or Asia. It is not necessary when there is simply a section on a particular area. -- Kjkolb 16:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it should be renamed and reworded.--Snapnz86 20:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree it is interesting, but US-centric. Perhaps instead of deleting the section, we should convert it into one about the limits of coconut cultivation and the factors restricting its growth in general rather than simply in the US? Say with information from other parts of the world. I don't think we should get rid of it entirely as the coconut palm appears to be a plant that is widely used as an indicator of climate because it is a) very widespread and important in the tropics worldwide, b) sensitive to cold and has a high requirement for year-round warmth and c) a commonly grown and well-known ornamental plant. Booshank (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal-Coconut in the US

This makes this article look like the world "from American perspective" only, though interesting to see how far north coconut can be grown in Florida, and micro climates and all - the US is not a major copra or coconut producing country - they are used for decorational purpose in small numbers, and declining in Hawwai due to being labour intensive - in addition, they mostly grow dwarfed varieties usuitable for commercial copra production. Since nobody did anything about this article I will proceed to remove it unless someone adds more major coconut/ copra producing countries —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.8.221.41 (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


Allergies

There should be a section on whether or not the coconut triggers general nut allergy symptoms. Dav0 12 16:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I started a section WRT allergies. Add to it what you will. (Geodanny (talk) 07:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC))

Work to be done

Obviously, this article needs work. Good references need to be found and duplicate material needs to be removed, especially in the "uses" section. I think that the uses section needs heavy editing, references and should be in paragraph form. Also, the article was written piece by piece, and some parts need to be rearranged, combined and/or rewritten. Finally, there is the question of whether other articles should be merged with this article. Coconut milk and coconut water are both discussed in the article, but too much content would make the article too big. I think that coconut oil should not be merged because it is a big article, well referenced and it is not discussed much in this article. Coconut cream could be merged. It is not that long and it is about food, like most of this article. One problem is that it seems to be talking about creamed coconut rather than coconut cream, even though the article itself claims that the food is coconut cream. I would think that a coconut extract would be called coconut cream and that a food would be called creamed coconut. I searched online and found that coconut cream seems to be used for both products. Also, it looks like creamed coconut is some kind of coconut extract, but that it is used for food rather than creams, health food products and such. I already merged and redirected young coconut and tender coconut. I think that it is silly for those to be separate articles because they are just names for immature coconuts and their use, in the case of tender coconut. Also, they were very short, unreferenced articles. I do not plan to work on this article further and it is not on my watchlist, so if you want to contact me you will need to do so on my talk page. -- Kjkolb 17:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Modern Term Used by Teens

"coconuts" is also a term used by many teens to refer to their status in a relationship. As of now there are 10 coconuts and each one has its own step. The term for completing each level is refered to as "breaking the coconut". It is very similar to the term "bases". This has become a very popular term in modern day pop-culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandiniman (talk • contribs) 01:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

King Arthur

"Fruits collected from the sea as far north as Norway have been found to be viable (and subsequently germinated under the right conditions)."

So now we know how King Arthur and Patsy "found" those coconuts! Nick Warren 03:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Living off coconuts and fish

What are the pros and cons of living off coconuts and fish? I ask this cos I'm writing a story about some castaways who crash into an island and all they can find to eat is six trees full of coconuts and the fish in the sea that they can catch with the fishing rod they brought with them. I would also like to know how much coconut water is found in the adverage ripe large brown coconut, and how much edible matter can be found in such a coconut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.27.198 (talk) 04:07, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Cultural uses section

I would like to remove these they are terrible!

Coconut" is New Zealand slang for a Tongan, or other person of "Polynesian" descent, although usually not Maori. Coconut" is also the title of a song by Harry Nilsson. Coconut" is also the title of an In Reverie b-side track by Saves the Day. Coconut" is also used as a slang term for breasts. Kid Creole's backing singers were known as his Coconuts.mike (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed these above lines they are not appropriate.mike (talk) 19:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Genetic rarity

At last we have this: Ivory Coast scientist, Dr. Roland Bourdeix, of the 1949 Marc Delorme coconut research station (outside Abidjan) is selling for $ 1 million, the three-headed coconut tree (imported from Malaysia), which produces 150 large fruits a year, as opposed to the normal 30-80 coconuts: "It is a rare botanical curiosity. We have 150,000 palm trees in this research plantation and there is only one which has three heads like this. We are going to multiply the tree about 150 times to see if the progeny have three or even four heads."[7] - --Florentino floro (talk) 07:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Bubble map

A small point, but I find the bubble map rather odd because of the placement of the 'bubbles'. The bubbles should surely either be placed in the centre of the country they represent or attempt to show where the cultivation actually is concentrated. If they are placed as they are, non-centrally but apparently randomly, it is rather misleading as it may be interpreted as the location where the coconuts are grown. For example Brazil's bubbles have been placed in the far south of the country where the climate is too cold for the coconut while China's have been placed north of Shanghai where it is similarly too cold. Booshank (talk) 18:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, on the production list, indonesia is not listed. Indonesia is a large producer of coconut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.33.71 (talk) 01:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Health impacts

Recommend separating out discussion of death from coconuts to Section on health impacts. Include:

July 19, 2002 DLH (talk) 03:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Natural Distribution of Coconut - Map -

I suggest to remove this map since it is misleading. Coconut has been spread to 80% of these areas by human farmers in historical times.It is not it's natural range. Though some of these areas have coconut farming, others have not. Almost the entire coast of Somalia has no coconut farming, while further north in Oman, and Dubai, coconut are grown extensively, the latter use it for landscaping purposes, similar to Florida . The map shows Somalia as natural distribution area of coconut, yet it is only grown in the very south near the equator in Kismayu and Webi Shebele river areas.In theory the Somalia coast would support coconut farming, but in practice they are not grown at all exept near the rivers in the very South.Djibuti has no plantations at all. You either redo the red line and the title of your map, or it should be removed. --95.223.187.114 (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC) Guest_visitor

the article does not describe different varieties of coconuts . Some coconuts are yellow in color , some orange, but many of them atre green. Also there are different varieties in terms of size.Also the article could describe how coconuts are Plucked/harvested in US, while it south asia there are MEN who climg the tree with a unique kind of a rope —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.76.172 (talk) 14:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

This natural range map is erroneous in my opinion. There are a number of problems with the "natural range" of the coconut. First of all, the species has undoubtedly been spread by humans since long before historical times. This makes determining the natural range tricky. Secondly, most modern sources seem to state that the coconut was not present in the Atlantic before the European voyages of discovery (from 15th Century). The map seems to be based on an old source. I'll have a look for some newer ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.219.239 (talk) 20:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Annual yeild of coconut tree

I think it should be moved from uses into a more suitable category. There is also no reference for the specific number given. Found some info on that here:

http://www.coconut.com/numbers/index.html It's a bit weak though. Arafitos (talk) 23:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Site says that annual yield is 50 coconuts per tree. The number of growing seasons should also be included as that is important information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arafitos (talk • contribs) 23:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC) while not verifiable, I can tell you with out a doubt that a coconut tree that only grows fifty fruits is either very young or sick, as usually they have many more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JShort.des (talk • contribs) 00:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong picture

File:Coconut_Yellow_Gourigatram.jpg represents a varient of Coconut known as "King Coconut" (Cocos nucifera var. auranta) endemic to Sri Lanka. Thambili-Punchi lindey vathura rasai provides more information. Also, the picture title "Illustration of a Coconut tree" is misleading. I suggest removal of this picture or a more accurate title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erathal (talk • contribs) 11:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Additional Uses/Popular Culture

Monty Python's use of coconuts could be a welcome addition to the other uses section. Many uses are put in there, and while this may not be a noteworthy one or completely serious use of the coconut, it is still well known and should be included. 173.79.229.30 (talk) 05:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Language

This topic is of special relevance to regions where Commonwealth English spellings (colour, flavour, etc) are used (India, Sri Lanka, etc.). Please respect this and do not change to American spellings, which have minimal relevance to the topic. 84.226.133.53 (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I see nothing which gives this special relevance to any region, especially given that the Coconut may have originated in South America. Besides which, having "special relevance" is far from having "strong national ties". I will be changing it back later unless you can show why it has "strong national ties" as defined in WP:ENGVAR. VMS Mosaic (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't see any special relevance to Commonwealth countries as opposed to anywhere else that coconuts grow - there are coconuts all over the world, in many countries that were never touched by the British Empire. Boing! said Zebedee 13:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
You only need to look at the article to see the importance of the coconut in the cultures of India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma, Malaya, etc.: all countries where Commonwealth English spelling is the norm. Are coconuts essential items at weddings in the United States? I would guess not. The article states that they are so in Kerala in southern India. That is certainly a cultural association of major importance. Or to see that the vast majority of coconut production is also in areas where Commonwealth English spelling is the norm. Compare this with a small area in Hawaii, and a trivial handful of ornamental specimens in California and Florida; the case in favour of US English is minuscule.
As to the origins, South American origin is speculative, while there is no doubt at all that the species is native in southern Asia.
I also looked at the history in some detail. The page did start as a stub in American English, but was fairly quickly changed to Commonwealth English (some time in early 2005: some edits are missing so it can't be seen exactly when). This happened while the page was still no more than a stub with a list of trivia appended; it remained of stub quality for some time after it was edited to Commonwealth English. After that, it was completely stable in Commonwealth English for about four years and over 2,000 edits, with not the slightest suggestion of anyone querying this until you changed it to American. There is also nothing on this talk page to hint at any complaint of Commonwealth English usage; conversely, there is significant discussion devoted to complaints about excessive space given to trivia about coconuts in the US (not directly about language, but certainly associated with the same feelings of unfair and unrepresentative domination). So your edits are in clear breach of the policies you cite. First, while it is hard to pin down when the article ceased to be a stub, it was not until well after it was in Commonwealth English; and second, WP:RETAIN: that once a style has been adopted, it should remain stable at that style. - 84.226.71.49 (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
When I made the edit in 2009 that you reverted, the article had had a mixed spelling for some time. It was clearly no longer a stub by the end of 2004 at which point it used American spelling. The first violation of WP:ENGVAR happened soon after. The article had used American spelling for over 2.5 years by that point. At some point in 2006 it because remixed and remained so until I applied WP:ENGVAR three years later.
Given that the coconut had spread to various sections of the planet millions of years ago, its initial point of origin (if that were even known) is not really relevant here.
I still see nothing at all which would give it any "strong national ties". Having uses in some countries which are more "important" than in other countries is not good enough.
I'd ask for a WP:THIRD to start the dispute process, but a third editor has already given an opinion. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Came back here having dug out references for two of the {citation needed}-tagged items to find all this nonsense. Now I'm not going to bother, the way edits by anyone who doesn't bow down to American imperialism is hounded out of here. Wikipedia has always shown a strong American bias on numerous pages where it itsn't appropriate, but this is one of the worst cases of American imperialism I've seen yet. No wonder so many editors are quitting wikipedia [1] and new editors find it so unwelcoming [2]. 84.226 is quite right, the Coconut article should properly be in Indian / Commonwealth English to reflect the overwhelming importance of Commonwealth English speaking countries among all English-speaking countries in coconut production. Yes there are other countries where coconuts are important, but they mostly have their own languages and will be neutral to English spelling, you should not assume they will all want American spelling. Involvement of the USA in coconut production is negligible. The consultation on this has also been pathetic. In your desire to enforce americanisation of the topic as fast as you could, you, VMS Mosaic, have shown gross discourtesy to 84.226 in undoing his/her edits before he/she had replied to your comments. Coconut is a topic in Wikiproject India and Wikiproject Kerala, but you invited neither group to comment here, that too is a great discourtesy. I will remedy this now and invite their comment. 217.206.228.30 (talk) 15:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I waited two days for a response before my last revert, during which time someone else gave a third (unsolicited) opinion. I believe a look at WP:CIVIL and WP:FAITH might be helpful; throwing around words like imperialism, nonsense, gross discourtesy, great discourtesy, and hounded are not helpful. If you would take the time to check my edit history, I just as equally defend Commonwealth English in many articles. I have applied WP:ENGVAR to many hundreds of articles all of which I keep on my watch list.
Am I correct that the largest producer of coconuts (the Philippines) uses American English as one of its two official languages? Perhaps you should also invite the Philippines Wikiproject? It might be a "great discourtesy" not to do so.
I believe the main problem here is a basic misunderstanding of "strong national ties". Bringing in a lot more editors from either side is only going to result in this going thru the entire dispute process. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Location of Map

Whether the map is correct or not (Natural Distribution of Coconut - Map -), it is in the wrong place or the reference to it the section Natural habitat must be changed.
which is better?
Yakatz (talk) 22:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The map showing production is problematic too. It shows the production on the ganga plain. While in text the data shows 45% of Indian production coming from Kerala. I believe the text more than the map. Just wander around in Kerala, TAmilnadu, and the Konkan coast and see how many coconut trees you can see and then take a walk on the ganga plains. The cuisine also clearly shows that the peninsular India is the coconut country not the northern ganga belt. I suggest we remove the map or add a corrected map. Kaveri (talk) 16:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Cholesterol

The "Seed" section mentions that coconut meat is noted for its high level of saturated fat, but there is no mention of high cholesterol levels. Shouldn't there be? — Loadmaster (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Coconuts do not have cholesterol according to the USDA nutrient database. See: [[3]] Geodanny (talk) 18:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Moved pictures

Here are some of the pictures I removed because the article was too cramped. May add back some later. Lambanog (talk) 14:01, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Coconut pictures
  • Coat of Arms of the Maldives
    Coat of Arms of the Maldives
  • Coconut palms growing well at Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum, St. Petersburg, FL
    Coconut palms growing well at Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum, St. Petersburg, FL
  • A coconut plantation in La Digue, Seychelles
    A coconut plantation in La Digue, Seychelles
  • Arab Dhows are stitched together with coconut fiber rope
    Arab Dhows are stitched together with coconut fiber rope
  • Coconuts sundried for making copra, used for coconut oil at Kerala, India
    Coconuts sundried for making copra, used for coconut oil at Kerala, India
  • Cutting open a tender coconut. A popular drink.
    Cutting open a tender coconut. A popular drink.
  • Coconut shell buttons.
    Coconut shell buttons.

Historical inaccuracies?

I haven't yet found a source saying that coconuts are mentioned in the Mahavamsa circa 200 B.C. The earliest source I find related is about King Agrabodhi II not Agabodhi I around 589 A.D. Could someone shed light on the matter? Lambanog (talk) 16:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Sources needed

Quite a few statements need sources. I'll move some statements here.

Lambanog (talk) 02:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

Stuff I'm not sure what to do with but seems excessive or not quite right for the article:

In India, Tamil Nadu stands first in the manufacture of the brown fiber, and is second to Kerala in the fiber production in India. The number of coir industries in Tamil Nadu is 5,399.[8]
Rural women processing coir threads at Kerala, India

Lambanog (talk) 11:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Coconut milk offered stronger protection on indomethacin-induced ulceration than coconut water in rats.[9]

Lambanog (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Please read your sources

Concerning deaths from falling coconuts, this article says:
"This was the subject of a paper published in 1984 that won the Ig Nobel Prize in 2001. Falling coconut deaths are often used as a comparison to shark attacks; the claim is often made that a person is more likely to be killed by a falling coconut than by a shark, yet, there is no evidence of people ever being killed in this manner."
Whereas, in the exact same paper that won him the Ig Noble prize Professor Barss said that of the four cases of coconut related injury that he knows of, two of them died instantly.

Relevant Source:
| Deaths from falling Coconuts
Cottonshirtτ 04:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

A Coconut without shell inside

Hi guys , I am from Maldive Islands and aften go to India ..... on my last visit I found a coconut lying on the ground , as usual I took it home and next day tried to open it for the use of coconut fibre or fruit inside ,,, for my surprise , there is no shell .. I teared it apart almost still there is no nut inside .................. only the husk , I asked many guys wat it is but no one knows , , i tries internet but no info :( ......... Can anyone tellme what it is and wat does it mean to me .. my mail id is wad9977799@hotmail.com , thanks Wahid — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.223.184.175 (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Omega 3 Content

The section on Coconut Oil states in part: "Another more uncommon method of using it with food is to add a tablespoon or two of pure coconut oil right into a drink or smoothie - people do this so they can get their daily dose of Omega 3 fatty acids that coconut oil is so rich in." This is not correct. Coconut oil does not contain any Omega 3 fatty acids. It should be noted that the Wikipedia article on Coconut oil has a table which shows this fact. The external reference at the end of the paragraph also does not support the above statement and is actually a commercial web site selling coconut oil. I have removed the complete sentence and link from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.138.14.176 (talk) 18:41, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Good catch. I've rewritten the section to make it better represent the culinary information from Coconut_oil#In_food. --Ronz (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Picture Gallery

Isn't it about time this article has its own picture gallery? Is it just me or did i miss something? Kerina yin (talk) 03:00, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


This is not a semi-protected article, so you don't need to tag it with an semi-protected edit request. RudolfRed (talk) 23:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


Range And Distribution: What is meant by natural distribution of the plant? I have seen coconut palms growing in Vilanculos and Inhassoro in Mozambique, well south of the distribution line on the map, and also in Mazatlan, Mexico, well north of the distribution map.69.199.125.230 (talk) 18:45, 22 December 2015 (UTC) R.Schep

Coconut in Sri Lanka

"An early mention of the planting of coconuts is found in the Mahavamsa during the reign of Agrabodhi II around 589 AD." Such statements are found throughout the coconut literature eg [10]. However, it cannot be true. The Mahavamsa does mention coconut but not its plantation. It was compiled toward the end of the 5th Century, about a Century before Agrabodhi II reigned. Besides, the presence of coconut in Sri Lanka is probably much older than generally thought[11] Baudouin Luc (talk) 11:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ See footnote
  2. ^ See footnote
  3. ^ See footnote
  4. ^ See footnote
  5. ^ See footnote
  6. ^ See footnote
  7. ^ news.bbc.co.uk, Rare coconut tree on sale for $1m
  8. ^ Directorate of Industries and Commerce. Government of Tamil Nadu. India. (n.d.). "Coir Industry". Retrieved 2009-12-06.
  9. ^ Antiulcerogenic effects of coconut (Cocos nucifera) extract in rats. Nneli RO. Woyike OA. Phytotherapy Research. 22(7):970-2, 2008 Jul. [Journal Article] UI: 18521965 Authors Full Name Nneli, R O. Woyike, O A.
  10. ^ Child 1974. Coconut (second edition), Tropical agricultural series, Longman
  11. ^ Gunn, Bee; Luc Baudouin; Kenneth M. Olsen (2011). "Independent Origins of Cultivated Coconut (Cocos nucifera L.) in the Old World Tropics". PLoS ONE 6 (6): e21143. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0021143. PMC 3120816. PMID 21731660. Retrieved November 28, 2011.

Structure

Attention needs to be given to the structure here. However fascinated one editor may be in its provenance, paleonutology is not the subject of the page and should not more than one subsection: it misses relatively important data such as the time a tree takes to come to maturity and its normal age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.83.131 (talk) 16:32, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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Done. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Mongolian link incorrect

The page links to Далдуу мод at Mongolian Wikipedia. This expression has the meaning of 'palm tree' and is not confined to the Coconut.

For some reason I can't edit the links.

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The page lacks tidiness.

The page isn’t really in order, right after the “Harvesting” topic it starts to talk about countries but under the “natural habitat” and “Distribution” topic it doesn’t state where the plant grows so entering the points on the countries where coconuts grown under the “natural habitat” topic or “Distribution” topic makes more sense.if that could be fixed it would make more sense. Omega 9 (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Title picture

I do not quite understand why the title picture shows the coconut as sold as a commodity in non-tropical countries, i.e. with the exocarp removed. This was already considered in earlier discussions but I cannot find an argument pro the status quo.--Olag (talk) 02:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Agree, I'd prefer seeing a cut coconut like this. Others are at Commons here. --Zefr (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes showing the coconut with the exocarp makes more sense as the viewer gets to see a more “natural” looking object , it would also provide a viewer who has never seen a coconut (use your imagination) the real thing. I mean the coconut with exocarps on are shown later while the one without is shown as the title picture it makes no sense Omega 9 (talk) 15:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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"Coconut layers" image

File:Coconut layers.svg

For some reason the thumbnail of this image (right) shows only the basic structure of the diagram, with none of the text captions or arrows - the "water" and "embryo" details are also missing from the image. Viewing the image full size it's all there. What's gone wrong here? --Lord Belbury (talk) 08:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Beats me - probably something to do with the transparency layers? I made a PNG version and swapped that in, which seems to work fine.

Possible removal from list

An entry in List of colors: A–F contained a link to this page.

The entry is :

  • Coconut White

I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries

If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:15, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

POV Bias

This article has too much alternative hypotheses and POV bias.

Thor Heyerdahl, in particular, was noted in the media for his "alternative" hypotheses, NOT the mainstream scientific position.

Also, the suggestion that coconuts reached the New World by means of Austronesian peoples is uncited and should be removed if no citation can be found.

It's very clear that cocnonuts can naturally float on the water surface and have been seen on isolated atolls where no humans live (for example, Kingman Reef: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingman_Reef#/media/File:Kingman_Reef_Oct_2003.jpg). The idea that coconut dispersal is "proof" that human migrations must have occurred is the non-mainstream (fringe position). While it should be mentioned, it shouldn't be the first paragraph or two. Rather, the mainstream position should be presented first, then the alternative, less credible hypotheses.Ryoung122 14:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Ryoung122. Feel free to write a proposed revision with WP:RS sources, and post it here on the Talk page for review and discussion with other editors. --Zefr (talk) 14:31, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2019

The article currently states "The term is derived from the 16th-century Portuguese and Spanish word coco, meaning "head" or "skull" after the three indentations on the coconut shell that resemble facial features.[3]" However, this sentence seems to be in conflict with Coco (folklore) page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_(folklore), and the Bogeyman page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman (the Bogeyman page references the Coco page and the coconut etymology).

My suggestion is to replace the current sentence with "The name is derived from the 16th-century Portuguese word coco[link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_(folklore)] because the hairy, brown "face" created by the coconut shell's three indentations reminded the Portuguese sailers of the scary mythical creature." AlliWK (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

You appear to be right, at least according to Coco_(folklore)#cite_note-44 and wikt:coco#Etymology_1_2. – Þjarkur (talk) 23:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
​Done, thanks! – Þjarkur (talk) 20:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Upon further inspection, I'm still not sure this interpretation is the correct one. "Coco the ghost" gave rise to the word "coco" ("grinning or grimacing face") and it appears the sailors named it after the "face" part rather than the "ghost" part. If someone has better sources regarding the etymology, that would be good. – Þjarkur (talk) 00:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 12 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: consensus against the proposed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 02:55, 19 June 2019 (UTC)


Coconut → Coconut palm – This article must be moved to maintain consistency with articles about other palm trees bearing edible fruit: Açaí palm and Date palm. 71.198.89.109 (talk) 00:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose as a typical example of WP:COMMONNAME overriding the "technical" name.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. In practical terms, the coconut article has rich content that readily diversifies to several topics, e.g., culinary uses (sugar, water, milk, oil, etc.). Keeping the coconut palm discussion connected to Cocos preserves the botanical link and is more logical. --Zefr (talk) 02:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - fundamentally, the page is a WP:CONCEPTDAB, and this is the COMMONNAME for the concept. -- Netoholic @ 05:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. This article covers both the tree and the fruit, so the current title is appropriate. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Barca (talk) 15:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Could probably split articles about the plant species Cocos nucifera and the fruit coconut. Date palm is a natural disambiguation of the species and it's fruit (as compared to date (disambiguation)). Açaí palm has a diacritic that is not commonly used in English and should be at Euterpe oleracea or acai. Plantdrew (talk) 05:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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"range of the natural habitat" map

This map needs to go or be heavily modified as it has some glaring errors. First, what does "range of the natural habitat" mean? The implication is that this is the area to which the coconut palm is indigenous, but that would be wrong as it is broadly recognised that its origin was somewhere from southern India to the tropical western Pacific. It's universally acknowledged that the coconut palm was not present in the tropical Atlantic region until introduced by Europeans during the Age of Discovery. Second, if it's trying to show the area in which coconuts now grow, it's badly incorrect. They certainly do not grow that far north in China (practically to Shanghai, where the daily mean temperature in Jan is less than 5C!). In most Middle East coasts they can only grow with artificial irrigation. Meanwhile they are shown as absent from the tropics away from the coast, when they are widely cultivated there. Also in Africa, they grow as far south as Durban in South Africa and slightly beyond, but the map's distribution stops in northern Mozambique. Booshank (talk) 21:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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kindling arrows

In the section "Leaves", the linked article "Arrow" gives no idea of what "kindling arrows" would be.71.230.16.111 (talk) 09:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

It seems the "kindling arrows" were inserted in 2005, here. William Avery (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2020

Add to Category:Trees of the Dominican Republic 98.15.10.143 (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Listed trees must be native to the country, which the coconut isn't. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

To change the coconut distribution picture (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coconut_distribution.png) for an updated one (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coconut_habitat.png), based on field research. Geneviève de Paris (talk) 16:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Please provide a peer-reviewed published source, WP:RS. Zefr (talk) 17:26, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2021

The word "thenga" is a tamil word but not a malayalam word. 2409:4072:6E97:7054:642B:7E4D:46EA:870C (talk) 04:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

It appears to be both. See Thengapattanam. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 04:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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Regarding Grated coconut DAB usage

Hi Leschnei How are you? Thanks for explaing your edit. I read through the whole DAB policy (many times before too). I believe that primary topic refers to an article. If so, the primary topic would be "Grated coconut" but as an article title referring to the food, and is why I didn't make my article "Grated Coconut" instead of the redirect. Nontheless, the weight on the two is a non-starter. Using the PageView Analysis tool gives the redirect a 2 pageviews average. See here: [5] My article has no listings yet; it's new. Thanks, dawnleelynn(talk) 20:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

History

Why is the history section completely empty? Herny32c (talk) 19:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Coconut Armor, 10th century CE

Coconut fiber armor. From the Republic of Kiribati, Micronesia. 10th century CE

Hello, please include this fascinating coconut armor from 10th century in the page from Kiribati, Micronesia. It's unique and rare artifact in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.116.189 (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Why is the page locked?

Im just baffled as to why coconut is a locked article. I get that controversial pages get locked but i cannot even make a guess as to why this would be controversial enough to make it locked. 173.218.1.93 (talk) 05:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@173.218.1.93 Vandalism from pranksters. If you look through the edit history, you can see it. Log: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=protect&user=&page=Coconut&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 108.51.136.77 (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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