Talk:Born Pink

Genres

Per WP:EXPLICITGENRE the album as a whole has to be described as a genre. The National News Quotes member Rose as calling the album a hip-hop base. The artist themselves is a not a reliable source for genre. The article reviewer says songs span disco, rock and ballad - per WP:EXPLICITGENRE this isn't describing the whole body of work as being of those genres. Its saying that some of the songs are of those genres. For example, the two singles are not rock. Therefore, please do not use this source to claim hip-hop, disco, rock or ballad. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 16:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

So shouldn't we remove all the genres? Cause if that is your point then we should remove all of them, there's no source yet that describes the album's primarily genre still, everywhere says its hip hop, pop, pop rock and disco cause that's what the album genre is, the album doesn't have a set genre or is based on one as whole, that's why all of those genres are listed, born pink only have 3 hip hop songs out of 8 songs, the correct genres are K-pop/Hip Hop/Pop Disco/Pop Rock and all of them should be listed, cause born pink doesn't have a set genre, you went with your logic and removed "disco" because the article says it "spans disco, hip hop, pop rock" but then leave "hip hop"? It's hypocrital of you and a whole nonsense, you just can say that you don't want to add a certain genre so people won't see that the artist tried new things?. Lightlylove (talk) 00:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

It's got nothing to do with what an artist has or hasn't tried. Read WP:EXPLICITGENRE. The genre category in the infobox is to describe the whole body of work. If different songs are different genres that's great but it becomes factually incorrect to call the whole album that genre. I went ahead and removed all the genres from the article based on the source given from National News. An artist self-prescribing their genre isn't a reliable source so hip-hop was taken out. Genres have to be based on reliable sources and critical opinion - not personal opinion, original research or WP:SYTHENSIS. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 09:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Even when one prfers using reviews from music critics, I don't understand why artists talking about their own work couldn't be trusted in regards to genres. It doesn't seem any worse than the common and perfectly valid practices of using their descriptions of lyrics, inspriations, or how look they took to record something. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Born Pink/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 20:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I'll take this on for review, as part of Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon. Apologies that it has taken so long for a review to materialise. Per my usual review style, I'll leave section-by-section comments followed by a check against the GA criteria.

Comments

Background

• "Blackpink had been working on a new comeback" A comeback usually implies a period of absence, hiatus or critical/commercial failure. What are they coming back from?
• [11] Rolling Stone citation should credit its authors (Tomás Mier & Kat Bouza) and provide a date of publication (August 19, 2022). The url is also still alive, so its status should be tagged as such.
• Spotcheck: [12] "making them the first female K-pop group in history to do so." This doesn't appear to be supported by the source.
• Spotcheck: [14] Verified.
• [16] As before, Tomás Mier should be credited as author.

Recording and development

• Quote box should be aligned to the right.
• [17] needs a language tag.
• Spotcheck: [18][19] Verified. But as you're quoting from different articles here, citations [18] and [19] should be moved inline with the specific quotes that they're cited from. So the Harper's Bazaar citation should go after "over a long period of time".
• Spotcheck: [22] Verified.
• "conjured" Very fanciful word to use here. Consider a different word.
• Spotcheck: [26] Can't find anything about "The Girls" or "Blackpink: The Game" in here.

Composition

• Spotcheck: [28] Verified.
• Spotcheck: [33] Verified, although it's "emotionally charged" not "emotional charged". Also Abbie Aitken should be credited in the citation as the author.
• Spotcheck: [41][43] Verified in [43], but not in [41]. Also, all of "telling their haters and doubters to take a seat" should be in quotation marks, not just "to take a seat". Right now it reads like we're using the terms "haters" and "doubters" in wikivoice.
• Spotcheck: [34][33] Can't find these quotes in either source.
• Spotcheck: [29] Verified, although closely paraphrased.
• No need to link to vintage, as that article is talking about wine.
• There's some fanciful descriptors in this section. Give it another look over to make sure you're not dipping over into non-neutrality.

Promotion and release

• Spotcheck: [54] Nothing in here about the MTV VMAs.
• "All two singles" Sounds a bit funny. Replace with "Both singles".
• Spotcheck: [58] Verified.
• "where attendees had the opportunity to enjoy photographic moments selected by the members, buy exclusive Blackpink products directly in-store and receive an exclusive gift from Spotify and Blackpink." This reads like an advertisement... Either rewrite this or cut it.
• "a reality show on YouTube" "reality show" has connotations I'm not sure this meets. Think "YouTube show" would be fine.
• "and conclude" Should be "concluded".
• Any source for the tour's conclusion date? It's over now.

Artwork and packaging

• There's quite a lot of primary sources in this section. See if you can find any secondary sources to supplement it. I worry bits like how eco-friendly the album is can seem like puffery when it's coming straight from the publisher's press releases.

Critical reception

• "called the album as" The "as" can be dropped.
• Spotcheck: [34] Verified.
• Spotcheck: [41] Verified.

Awards and nominations

• Think this section could be integrated into the Critical reception section.

Commercial performance

• The image of Destiny's Child is a weird choice. It makes sense in context, but it's a bit confusing when scrolling down through the article.
• Spotcheck: [4] Verified for the first sentence, but I'm not sure where the second sentence is coming from.
• Spotcheck: [113] Verified.

Track listing

• No notes.

Personnel

• No notes.

Charts

• No notes.

Certifications and sales

• No notes.

Release history

• No notes.

Lead and infobox

• "English-heavy sound" Reads a bit odd. I understand that the lyrics are English-heavy, not the sound?

Checklist

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   Some spelling and grammar issues. Nothing that can't be easily fixed.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   Largely complies with the Manual of Style.

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   Some references are incomplete. Be sure to go over and make sure all details are filled out.

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   Cases of sources appearing to be incorrectly placed, some in which quotes aren't cited inline.

   C. It contains no original research:

   Appears to be examples of novel interpretations or synthesis, where the text doesn't align with the source.

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

   Earwig flags a few cases of copying, outside of direct and attributed quotes.[1] These should be looked at and rewritten.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   Everything's covered thoroughly.

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

   Very focused, with no real deviations.

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

   A couple cases of apparent non-neutral statements in Wikivoice.

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

   No major issues since nomination for GA. There have been some reversions, but nothing problematic.

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   Album cover is valid fair use rationale, photos of band members are licensed under creative commons.

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   Destiny's Child image is a bit odd on first glance, but is relevant. Images are appropriately captioned and most have alt text.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Most of this article is very well-put together, but there are some key issues that are holding it back from passing GA right now. I think they're fixable, but the problems with some of the prose and cases of text not aligning with the sources need to be fixed before I can look at passing this. @Lililolol: Ping me when you feel you've addressed my comments and I'll be happy to give this another look over. --Grnrchst (talk) 20:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grnrchst Hi, and sorry for the delayed response. I believe that I've addressed the concerns you mentioned. It's worth noting that all sentences are enclosed in quotation marks, although for some reason they might not show up when checked using the Copyvios tool. Lililolol (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

About spelling and grammar, I used Languagetool.org to check for any spelling and grammar errors, but it didn't detect anything needing correction. If I'm mistaken, please feel free to point it out. Lililolol (talk) 19:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Lililolol: Thanks for seeing to everything! I'm happy to pass this now. --Grnrchst (talk) 19:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)