Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa/Archive 12

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WP:Articles for Creation has a new sort tool, you can see all pending relevant drafts here: Wikipedia:AfC sorting/Geography/Regions/Africa

Just in case there are folks here who might be interested in reviewing drafts awaiting article status that are particular to this WikiProject. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@MatthewVanitas: Do I need special permissions to accept or reject a draft? -Indy beetle (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: there are instructions for how to sign up to be an AFC reviewer here, and note once you have permissions they have really nifty automated control panels which make reviewing an absolute breeze. Tons of tedious manual stuff (like I used to do back at AFC back in the day) is automated now, so by all means sign up and use the cool tools: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#How_to_get_involved. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Contradictory claims

The opening of the article along with it's accompanying source claim the kingdom was founded in the 13th century while later on in the article it is claimed that was founded in the 16th — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.231.203.210 (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Which article? This is the talk page for WikiProject Africa, which is not an article. -- Fyrael (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Bono people

The Bono people article is quite poorly-written and has serious problems with it. Would anyone be able to take a look and help reorganize/revise/cite/remove some of the information on it? Thanks. Lingvulo (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

The terms "Aurat", "Arvad", "Avret", and "Awrath" may refer to: Women of Asian religious or cultural descent and identity.

Self nomination for AFD since article copy pasted to Draft:Aurat for incubation because IMHO current article title Aurat (word) is misleading and confusing leading to western systemic bias and stifling the article growth. Please find Detail reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks!

Bookku (talk) 03:31, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

RfC about lack of global coverage in Racial bias on Wikipedia

More opinions are needed at [1]. The issues being discussed are that, despite the title, the coverage relates only to English Wikipedia, and that the coverage is US-centric. NightHeron (talk) 11:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding Ethiopian perspectives to Gondrand massacre article

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Gondrand_massacre#Rebooting_the_conversation:_Unilateral. Generalrelative (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Make WikiProject Ottoman Empire a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries?

Dear users of this WikiProject:

At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Former_countries#Make_WikiProject_Ottoman_Empire_a_task_force_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Former_countries? I have left a proposal to convert Wikipedia:WikiProject Ottoman Empire into a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries. I asked this project (as the Ottoman Empire once controlled parts of northern Africa) and several other projects to get further feedback. Please let me know if you have questions, comments, or objections.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 02:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I am new to this. Working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Cultural_Nigeria and removed several dead links. Can't find any references to this pageant except the pageant's own PR materials and one interview of a contestant that is already linked to the article. What do I do if the information needs citations and verification but there is none? Thanks. Lekarren (talk) 02:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lekarren: it may qualify for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion if there is no WP:SIGCOV.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I wondered about that. I have removed all the dead links and left one link that is just a promotional link. I put "citation needed" on the paragraphs. Please review if you think it should be deleted entirely, or tell me more about that. Thank you! Lekarren (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lekarren: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Cultural Nigeria. I followed these instructions.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you for sharing. I deleted yet another dead link on the page, but will leave the rest to the powers that be. Lekarren (talk) 19:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekarren (talk • contribs) 19:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Assessment - Statistics section, updated

Greetings - For Africa WP statistics, I added progression, pie chart, rainbow & wikilinks "Quality operations" and "Popular pages". JoeNMLC (talk) 13:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Addition of unrelated refs to some articles

Well, a few users (apparently part of an edit-a-thon) added loads of references to some articles on a few Africa-related subjects. However, on inspection some of those references are completely irrelevant, and suspicious enough that I even filed an SPI report on the matter. If some of you could take a look at the contributions of the listed editors and verify how useful they are it would be appreciated. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC) struck comments by banned sock puppet. PKIhistory (talk) 17:56, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Article for creation

Hello,

I have two draft articles that need to be published. I have submitted them for review. Any help in having them published will be highly appreciated.

The articles are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Havoc_of_Choice and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_Bunk_Trust.

Thank you. JW254 (talk) 16:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Pacification of Libya

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pacification of Libya. Note that, as the thread goes on, the conversation switches from discussing "Genocide of Libya" as a possible title to discussing whether to change it to "Second Italo-Senussi War". Generalrelative (talk) 20:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Githeri Man - warrants an article?

I recently read about this Kenyan meme online- and I was almost certain there would have been a Wikipedia article about him, or at least a small mention in 'Githeri' or the '2017 Kenyan General Election'. As far as notability- the page 1 of Google brings up a number of international news sites picking up on the story, and countless Kenyan articles. Because of the publicity, the subject of the meme even met the president, and (unfortunately) there is also a lot of rather sad stuff relating to the aftermath of his fame that is also rather heavily reported in Kenyan news.

I'm not an editor, so I apologize if I'm seriously out of line with my assumptions. I sincerely enjoy reading articles about places outside of my own knowledge sphere and I'm keen to learn about interesting contemporary issues from countries that don't get much coverage in my part of the globe. The Githeri Man is a BLP, and would be best addressed by someone familiar with Kenyan subjects, which is why I'm posting here. (Or perhaps discussions already deemed him not-notable?) Appreciate the attention either way, cheers! 2601:204:4003:B030:2171:2FCC:826E:CD79 (talk) 12:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Gafat People

This draft is mostly incomprehensible, but may be on a notable subject and has a number of good references. Can anyone assist? Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Anthems of Somaliland and Western Sahara

Hello, can anyone link me to (a) reliable source(s) with information on the national anthems of Somaliland and Western Sahara? I am looking for the composers and/or lyricists as well as date of official adoptions so that I can improve List of national anthems. Thanks in advance! MSG17 (talk) 00:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Rova of Antananarivo featured article review

I have nominated Rova of Antananarivo for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 02:38, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

The Months of African Cinema Contest Continues in November!

Greetings,

Thank you very much for participating in the Months of African Cinema global contest/edit-a-thon, and thank you for your contributions so far.

It is already the middle of the contest and a lot have been achieved already! We have been able to get over 1,500 articles created in over fifteen (15) languages! This would not have been possible without your support and we want to thank you. If you have not yet listed your name as a participant in the contest page please do so.

Please make sure to list the articles you have created or improved in the article achievements' section of the contest page, so that they can be easily tracked. To be able to claim prizes, please also ensure to list your articles on the users by articles page. We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

Overall winner
- 1st - $500
- 2nd - $200
- 3rd - $100
Diversity winner - $100
Gender-gap filler - $100
Language Winners - up to $100*

We are very excited about what has been achieved so far, but your contributions are still needed to further exceed all expectations! Let’s create more articles before the end of this contest, which is this November!!!

Thank you once again for being part of this global event! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:30, 06 November 2020 (UTC)

You can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list

This wiki article needs a major overhaul

Anybody that is interested I think Stereotypes of Africa could do with a major rewrite. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review page

Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (Wikipedia:Africa-related regional notice board/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 00:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

FAR for Paul Kagame

I have nominated Paul Kagame for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 04:03, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Eritrean/Ethiopian Ethnicities - Tigrinyas vs Tigrayans

Howdy folks. Is anybody knowledgeable enough about Eritrea to double check this diff? I am a pending changes reviewer and I reverted it once before because of 1) talk page controversy and 2) the edit damages the Tigrayan script that was on the page (ብሄረ ትግራይ). But I am not really knowledgeable in this area so I hesitate to revert again. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

errors in your pages on Otuke District, Uganda

There are multiple errors in the Wikipedia page on Otuke District, including antiquated colonial-era place-names which have not been used for many decades, and the page (and all mention of) 'Otuke Town'- which does not exist. These pages do not permit any edits to the first section of each, which contain the spurious references to 'Otuke Town'. If I am posting this message in the wrong place, please advise. Thanks ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veritasiraptor (talk • contribs) 04:51, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Join the Months of African Cinema Global Contest!

Greetings!

The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.

We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

Overall winner
- 1st - $500
- 2nd - $200
- 3rd - $100
Diversity winner - $100
Gender-gap fillers - $100
Language Winners - up to $100*

We would be adding additional categories as the contest progresses, along with local prizes from affiliates in your countries. For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. Looking forward to your participation.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:22, 22nd September 2020 (UTC)

Ýou can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list

Nigerian women's football / soccer initiative (WP:WOSO-NG)

Hello! We recently started an initiative WP:WOSO-NG to improve articles related to Women's football / soccer in Nigeria. Please consider joining! Any contributions are appreciated. We could also use extra eyes on articles nominated for deletion within this topic. Thank you!

Thank you for your contributions to women's football/soccer articles. I thought I'd let you know about the Women's Football/Soccer Task Force (WP:WOSO), a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of women's football/soccer. If you would like to participate, join by visiting the Members page. Thanks!

Hmlarson (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Batalaunda

Could we please have an expert review and fix this article? Bearian (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hospitals

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals has just completed the List of hospitals in .... for each of the African countries on the English Wikipedia. These lists contain notable hospitals and links to existing hospital articles in WikiPedia. This is the last of the continents to be completed for the Hospitals Project. We have used existing articles on other language Wikipedias and Wiki Commons images to complete this work. There are still some shortcomings in completeness and images of hospitals in some countries. We look forward to any feedback and assistance that the WikiProject Africa participants might give.

WP:HOS -- Talk to G Moore 01:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Edward Thaddeus Barleycorn Barber

I just removed an entire section of this biography because it had no sources at all and I was unable to confirm any of the facts in it online. Specifically, it concerned his career as a doctor in Aba, Nigeria after receiving a medical degree in Edinburgh. If anyone could source any of it, I would be very pleased to see it restored. (There is apparently a 2010 book of African biographies that includes a chapter on him, but since it appears to consist of reprints of Wikipedia articles, that's not a source.) Brianyoumans (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sharif Sheikh Ahmed

Question: I just stumbled on this article. On WP, I would expect him to be referred to as "Ahmed" throughout the article, but it's "Sheikh Sharif" all the time. Is there a WP-good reason for this? Discussion at Talk:Sharif Sheikh Ahmed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Maps of the departments of the Sédhiou Region in Senegal

Hello, I recently started a discussion at WikiProject Senegal (see here) on 30th January, but I've had no reply to it since then. Maybe somebody here could help? Monster Iestyn (talk) 18:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLP Link does point to in 2013 deactivated Bot

Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Unreferenced BLPs does reference to a page generated by DASHBot who was deactivated in 2013 (!) - please correct. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: Abdulhamid Dbeibeh

Hello, I recently created an article on Abdulhamid Dbeibeh, Libya's new Prime Minister. However, the way his name is written in his official Twitter account is 'Abdulhamid Dabaiba'. Is there someone how could tell me which option is preferred? Thank you! --Bespin (talk) 13:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Bespin, I moved the article to its correct place - please be more accurate next time when creating an article. Thanks. CommanderWaterford (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, with all due respect, I find it rude that you question the accuracy of my work. The name I chose was the one contained in the UNSMIL official list of candidates for the Prime Minister position, whereas his Twitter account was created two weeks later, when I had already written the Wikipedia article. --Bespin (talk) 12:34, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Certainly there is no real consensus on how to transliterate his name. Looking at the first 5 results on Google news which gave his name gave 5 different name forms: Abdulhamid Dabaiba, Abdul Hamid Dbeibah, Abdelhamid Debaiba, Abdul Hamid Dabaiba, Abdul Hamid Mohammed Dbeibah. I am not sure where you found 'Abdul Hamid Al-Dabaib' as the page's "correct place", CommanderWaterford, as googling for that string gets no hits independent of WP. Dsp13 (talk) 13:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Dsp13, I do not always use Google in first Place especially in African related topics, I have access to some newspapers DB via Wikimedia and there both names were listed and as the creator requested a move I moved it to the name he thought is correct. In general I would expect that an article creator does know the name of its subject of course :) Not knowing much about Lybias naming conventions but I would expect that there is one single name which is correct. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Well Bespin, you requested the move by yourself if I remember correctly. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

You're absolutely right that Google doesn't index everything! However, I still don't know where you got the name you gave the page. It isn't one of those suggested by User:Bespin, and it isn't one used in the references in the page. Dsp13 (talk) 20:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Women in Africa contest

March is the third and final month of Women in Red's focus on biographies of African women in our Women in Africa contest. Up to now, around a hundred articles have been contributed but with your collaboration, we hope to have many more.--Ipigott (talk) 11:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Demographics of Eritrea has an RFC

Demographics of Eritrea has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Boud (talk) 23:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Embassy articles from non English Wikipedia

Hello, I created some bare bone templates to add an Embassy/High Commission article. It can be in English or other language Wikipedias. For example I created Template:Diplomatic missions in Djibouti which was bare bone yesterday, but now has links to Japanese, Arabic and French wikipedia.

Here are following bare bone templates for missions located in countries in Africa/Caribbeans. Most links from Arabic and Japanes Wikipedia have been made

Shushugah (talk) 11:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah: you mean you want help finding the articles or just help adding them to these templates? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Finding them. I created these, because the countries are large enough to have multiple embassies but had none in English, besides the Holy See. That said...for ALL of these templates listed in Category:Diplomatic missions in by country templates, transcluding the templates on said Wikipedia articles they link to, as well as the List of Diplomatic Missions in X article would be a good and repetitive task. Shushugah (talk) 11:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah: you can use this Wikidata script. The example is for Burundi. Click through all results to see if there are Wikipedia articles in any language. If you want another country, you'll need to edit it (click on "Edit SPARQL" to the right). Replace the Q number with that of the county you want. You can find those by going to the Wikipedia article for that country and click on "Wikidata item" in the sidebar. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tanganyika (disambiguation)#Requested move 22 March 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tanganyika (disambiguation)#Requested move 22 March 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move of Ethnic discrimination in Ethiopia

There's a proposal Talk:Ethnic discrimination in Ethiopia#Requested move 19 March 2021 to change the name of the article from Ethnic discrimination ... to Racism .... Please add Support or Oppose (in bold) or a comment, with arguments. Boud (talk) 15:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Updating the Mfecane

Hello everyone. The current Wikipedia article for the Mfecane, listed as "Top-Importance", is severely outdated and in need of some attention. The main point of contention concerns the origins of this period of political turmoil and consolidation. The article cites Shaka's expansion of the Zulu Kingdom as the cause, but scholarly research indicates that the process pre-dates his reign. More details are on the talk page. Any additional assistance on this would be much appreciated! Pliny the Elderberry (talk) 02:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Subcategories for Category:African-American culture?

Should Wikipedia have subcategories for Category:African-American culture for specific states? Feedback welcome here. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments wanted at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jason Sendwe/archive2

Any comments or a review at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jason Sendwe/archive2 would be much appreciated. -Indy beetle (talk) 01:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Split proposal for Great Migration (Serengeti)

A split proposal is in progress for Serengeti to Draft:Great Migration (Serengeti). Please discuss in at Talk:Serengeti#Split with your thoughts. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring in Eastern Security Network

There's been a bunch of POV edit warring to Eastern Security Network by new users in the past few days. I'm not nearly qualified enough to clean up the mess, or even figure out if there's a change I should revert to, or if any of the new material is worthwhile; it would be great if someone here who has a better idea of the issues could clean up. Gaelan 💬✏️ 07:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

For the interested

I created Africa Food Prize, feel free to improve. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Drafts for Review

Three drafts, Draft:History of East Africa, Draft:History of Central Africa, and Draft:History of Southern Africa, have been submitted to Articles for Creation for review. Your comments are invited. All of them are essentially outlines, consisting largely of links to main articles. The question is whether to accept them into article space. If they are thought to be useful but to need work, they can be accepted, where they will have more attention than in draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The drafts have been declined with comments by User:Zoozaz1. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The drafts have been resubmitted, and need to be commented on here. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Help evaluate article on Gabon Talapoin

Hi I'm a university student editing an article on the Gabon Talapoin and I would appreciate it if anyone could take a look at the article in a few weeks time. Thank you! NoEsPu102 (talk) 07:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Just drop a notice when you're ready. Pliny the Elderberry (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! The article has just been expanded and any feedback or ideas would be appreciated. I will continue to work on it in the meantime. :) NoEsPu102 (talk) 09:33, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

African literature

Please could someone take a look at African literature? Some recent good-faith recent edits might look even better when wikified. Thanks, Certes (talk) 13:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

What do Ethiopians call the Second Italo-Ethiopian War?

The current version of the article Second Italo-Ethiopian War goes out of its way to present the Italian colloquial name for the conflict. I would like to balance this by providing the Ethiopian name as well but cannot find a source. Can anyone here inform me, and possibly suggest a source (in any language)? For context, see the discussion at Talk:Second Italo-Ethiopian War. Many thanks, Generalrelative (talk) 16:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Assessment/Evaluation on 'Music of West Africa'

Hi everyone, I've recently added 1000 words or so to Music of West Africa, could I enlist my fellow WikiProject Africa members to please assess it/provide some feedback if time permits - now that it's not a stub and has more citations? I am planning on adding around another 1000 words, and a big focus throughout this process will be expanding the scope and balance of the page. Thanks! Coop253 (talk) 13:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Most-viewed start article within this Wikiproject

Mansa Musa 145,039 4,834 Start--Coin945 (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Are these articles about different things?

Hello, my geography is terrible. I suspect, but I'm not sure, that these articles refer to the same place/concept - can anyone confirm?

Thanks. Popcornfud (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

They are different things – one is a parliamentary constituency and another is a local government district. The two are often contiguous, particularly in countries that use proportional representation, but are not the same things. Number 5 7 18:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Number 57, thanks. Added to the Jomoro disambiguation page. Popcornfud (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

The 10 most-viewed, worst-quality articles according to this Wikiproject

142 Senhit (singer) 86,181 2,780 Stub Low
327 Thieboudienne 41,355 1,334 Stub Unknown
371 Assimi Goïta 36,590 1,180 Stub High
398 Joseph Elanga 34,242 1,104 Stub Unknown
470 .bf 30,187 973 Stub Low
486 Marc Guéhi 29,256 943 Stub Low
26 Francis Ngannou 180,564 5,824 Start Low
35 Tusse 166,450 5,369 Start Low
36 Edi Gathegi 166,254 5,363 Start Unknown
46 Mount Nyiragongo 151,204 4,877 Start High

Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Popular pages--Coin945 (talk) 06:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 3 of WikiAfrica Hour

Hello everyone!

This year, elections will be held for the Wikimedia Foundation. Have you ever wondered what being a board member involves? Have you thought of putting your name forward? Episode 3 of WikiAfrica Hour will demystify the WMF Board. We will be in discussion with Maria Sefidari (Former WMF Board Chair), Reda Kerbouche (WMF board election candidate), Eliane Dominique Yao (WMF board election candidate), Zita Zage (WMF Board election Facilitation for Sub-Saharan Africa region), Mahuton Possoupe (WMF Board election Facilitation for French language), Mohammed Bachounda (WMF Board election Facilitation for French language and MENA region), and Florence Devouard (Former WMF Board Chair). Join us on 25th June 2021 at 4pm UTC! Details: WikiAfrica Hour.

Cheers!

Ceslause Ogbonnaya — Preceding undated comment added 08:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Help re-evaluate/re-assess the Efik mythology page

Hi everyone, i recently contributed over 4,000 words (maybe more) on the Efik mythology page. I would really appreciate if the page could be re-evaluated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamosamudiame (talk • contribs) 22:40, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Major revision at History of architecture

Hello, there is a major revision going on on the page History of architecture and we need your help, the main contributor is very knowledgeable on the topic, but seems to lack a background in the African front and that is starting to be reflected on the African section which, for me, sounds a bit condescending. Do you mind checking the page and giving your feedback so that we can cover all bases? @Heesxiisolehh: @إيان: @Dhtwiki: Herrikez (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Community Notification: Free Knowledge Africa/Movement Strategy Implementation Plan

Dear all,

I wish to inform Wikiproject Africa of the proposed Free Knowledge Africa/Movement Strategy Implementation Plan; the project seeks to research and document in relation to content initiatives in underrepresented communities. There exists a huge gap about African destinations and travel information on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage without any significant attempt at carrying out a complete overhaul and improvement. The proposal seeks to develop an implementation plan. See the details of the project by using the link to the grant: [2] If you would love to join and participate, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Timmylegend (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Women #SheSaid rapid grants requests in 2021

The Focus Group members initiative is skills transfer and also to raise awareness of and action to counter the lack of representation of women generally, and more specifically on online platforms such as Wikipedia (or Wikiquote).It is aimed at transferring vital skills towards women and men – digital, technical, researching, writing and leadership – that allow them to access information in order to make up their own minds within their cultural specificity. The group will operate through training, mentoring, online learning, peer-to-peer support.The group membership is made of 12 women, the majority of which from Africa.Please kindly endorse the following grants proposals to support the #SheSaid initiative. Shoodho (talk) 12:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:The Gambia#Requested move 20 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Gambia#Requested move 20 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 16:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Northern Chad offensive#Requested move 14 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northern Chad offensive#Requested move 14 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 14:37, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to join or volunteer at AfroCuration Mozambique

The Moleskine Foundation is partnering with Ethale Publishing and others across Africa to implement its WikiAfrica Education initiative and increase the visibility of Africa on Wikipedia with the aim of creating an Emakhuwa Wikipedia. With support from the Wikimedia Foundation, There would be five AfroCuration (edit a thon) events to train young Africans to edit Wikipedia. All events will be united by the theme ‘Who We Are’.

The first AfroCuration event in this series will take place on 1st and 2nd September in Mozambique, when Ethale Publishing will train a group of 60 volunteer Emakhuwa-language creators to pioneer the use of the Emakhuwa language on Wikipedia.

Dear African Wikipedian, would you like to join us in creating more articles about Africa on Wikipedia?

You can add your articles or volunteer to train new editors.

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Aug 23

Hello, where can I find the recent attack in Burkina this month? Thanks! Bokoharamwatch (talk) 21:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bokoharamwatch: If you check the news resources at Wikipedia:WikiProject Burkina Faso#News, I believe that the All Africa site had an article about it. In Wikipedia, there probably isn't an article yet, but all the articles tagged by the project are in Category:WikiProject Burkina Faso articles. --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:35, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Andry Rajoelina

Anyone interested in updating Andry Rajoelina. A GAR has been requested and it is lacking some updates to their presidency. The GA nominator is unfortunately inactive. @Amakuru: as the reviewer. Aircorn (talk) 06:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Terrorist attack redirects

Hello, I have noticed that User:TompaDompa has redirected numerous terrorist attack articles this month, August 2021. Many of the articles are about attacks by Boko Haram. Most of the attacks killed dozens of people or more. If these attacks occurred in Western countries, they certainly would have independent articles. Redirecting the articles furthers a bias towards the West which is rampant on Wikipedia. Thriley (talk) 18:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I actually rather agree with you on the WP:Systemic bias issue (though I don't know if that's on Wikipedia or the sources – i.e. the news media). The reason I redirected these particular attacks is that the articles were stubs and the attacks were covered in other articles in about as much detail (or rather with more or less the same amount of quality content), making the stubs unnecessary WP:Content forks. If the articles can be expanded and reach a higher level of quality, I would of course be in favour of doing so rather than redirecting them, but having a large number of articles that could be summarized in a paragraph on a larger article is not in my opinion helpful – it just makes it more difficult to maintain the content. TompaDompa (talk) 19:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC) Which ones were they? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes and no, I feel like. Where reliable sources are lacking we can't just create more material because "countering systemic bias". If these attacks occurred in Western countries, they certainly would have independent articles is true, but part of that is because a Boko Haram attack would be way more unusual in a Western country than, say, Nigeria. Stuff out of the norm tends to make larger news. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC) Which ones were they? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Alaouite dynasty#Requested move 15 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Alaouite dynasty#Requested move 15 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 02:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Indaba 2021 is here!

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Two useful sources

Rethinking the Mandara political landscape: enslavement, climate and an entry into history in the second millennium AD].What Was the Wandala State, and Who Are the Wandala?].

Definitely RS, author is a full professor and a vice-chancellor of his university. Doug Weller talk 12:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Draft:Zanzibar Utilities Regulatory Authority

Please view and expand the draft. Hope you might have invaluable experience with the local sources. --Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 03:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

African women’s football teams

I was going through the GAR requests at WP:GAR and there are a few for African women’s football teams. The main editor of these articles is no longer here so I was interested if anyone from a related project might be interested in picking them up. They basically need updating as the last substantial verifiable edits were in 2012. There are issues with uncited statements and other general fixes needed too. The ones with GA requests are Rwanda women's national football team, Burundi women's national football team and Central African Republic women's national football team. There are other articles like Gambia women's national football team, Madagascar women's national football team etc (see Category:African women's national association football teams) that have similar issues. I don’t think it would take much effort to update these as they don’t seem to play a lot of games. The issue is finding sources. It would be a shame to delist them so hoping someone is keen to have a look at them. Aircorn (talk) 23:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@Aircorn: I just had a look at the Burundi article. Quite frankly, it's going to need quite a bit of work. Sources don't appear to be very forthcoming. For example, I can find coverage on the status of women's football in general (two years old from IWACU) but nothing specifically about a national team, which appears to be sort of an ad hoc enterprise anyhow. It doesn't help that some of the sources are now dead links, and the somewhat exploratory style in which the article was originally written and passed GA with (which seems more of a variegated discussion about football for women in Africa in general and with a locus in Burundi, but not about this specific team) probably wouldn't have made it through GA now. It's a shame, since WikiProject Burundi has hardly any GAs, but without the requisite sources (or more knowledge on football coverage on my part) I don't think there is much I can do. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. I didn't have much luck either in my short search. It doesn't need a whole lot of info added to keep its status in my opinion, but it should be updated. Maybe a better approach would be to merge these articles with low coverage into a womens football in Africa style article? The WIR wikiproject is looking into them, so maybe they will turn something up. Aircorn (talk) 17:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

I think a Women's football in Burundi article would be best, and there's actually much more forthcoming sourcing on that. The way it looks now "Burundi women's national football team" doesn't even have enough coverage on its own to pass the notability guideline (if you look at the article most of the sources are not about a Burundi women's national team). -Indy beetle (talk) 00:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Cup

More on this topic, like to draw footy lovers to aisha Buhari cup. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 06:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Community Notification: Free Knowledge Leaders Program

Hello everyone,

This is to announce to Wikiproject Africa the proposed Free Knowledge Leaders Program. The Free Knowledge Leaders Program is a capacity-building program that will equip free knowledge enthusiasts and beginners with the skills required to become free and open knowledge advocates. The details of the project can be accessed by using the link to the grant: [3] You can leave a message on my talk page if you would love to be a part of it. Thank you. Timmylegend (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 6 of WikiAfrica Hour

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oct 9

In the past week there has been a military rescue in nigeria, and a severe drowning in the drc. Anything here on the wp? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 12:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Mozambican War of Independence

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Invitation as guest speaker to Episode 7 of WikiAfrica Hour (WikiIndaba 2021 special edition)

Hello everyone! it's a pleasure to invite you to WikiAfrica Hour episode 7 (WikiIndaba 2021 virtual Conference special edition), where we shall be engaging some special guests from WMF Community Resources team on what he recent changes at the Community Resources mean for you, and how the changes affect the work Wikimedians do . Join us tomorrow 4th November 2021, at 4:30pm UTC. Details: WikiAfrica Hour Ceslause (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The Months of African Cinema Contest Continues in November!

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Discussion regarding GEONet Names Server (GNS) at RSN

See here. Site is used as a source in about 43,000 articles related to various geographical locations world-wide, including in Africa. FOARP (talk) 09:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Rhodesian mission in Lisbon Featured article review

I have nominated Rhodesian mission in Lisbon for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Malawi Independence Medal

Please rotate the image of the ribbon by 180 degrees at Malawi Independence Medal to bring the colours of the ribbon in correct order as per the royal proclamation. Peter Ormond 💬 19:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Human rights in Togo

This article is severely outdated, with no references from after 2013 until I updated the table. Not even the assessment rating for the article has been updated since November 2012; most of the content was added in January 2013. I will need help updating the article; here are some links to the most recent editions of the sources used.

Freedom House: [4]
Amnesty International: [5]
Oddly, The New Humanitarian doesn't provide a convenient search function for this country.
USCIRF: [6]
United States Department of Labor: [7]
United States Department of State: [8], [9]

The tricky part is that some information in the current article should be kept for historical information. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:24, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 8 of WikiAfrica Hour

Hello everyone! It’s happening today at 4pm UTC. Come hear about the projects/initiatives putting faces to the faceless. Guests include Sherry Antoine from AfroCrowd, Alacool from Les Sans PagEs, and Anna Torres from Concorso Ilustratona. You can join the conversation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq56z1jT7hg Ceslause (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Barthélemy Boganda

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Featured Article Save Award for Barthélemy Boganda

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Barthélemy Boganda/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped save this featured article from demotion. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Assistance Required Gathering Sources for List of indigenous peoples

Please see the discussion at Talk:List of indigenous peoples regarding the absence hundreds of sources in this article. If possible, contribute to discussion and provide input.

List of indigenous peoples is a massive list of which the majority of entries are are without citation. The article is in need of a team of editors to procedurally review each entry and identify reliable sources--or lack thereof.

There is also an ongoing discussion regarding the terms of inclusion in this list, which you are welcome to get involved in.

01:18, 30 December 2021 (UTC), KaerbaqianRen^💬

Potential hoax page Reino de Tigr (Ethiopia)

I tried posting this over at WikiProject Ethiopia but no one's bitten so far: It's been suggested that the page Reino de Tigr, created December 2021, is a hoax, created due to the current conflict in Ethiopia. I don't know enough about the subject to judge, but it's certainly very odd that the article title is not in English (or Tigrayan) but Spanish. I'd like to bring it to the attention of people who might be able to fix the problem if it's not a real thing.--Ermenrich (talk) 19:09, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

A submission

Hello, something very interesting. Edit if you can pls. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC) ps 2 months? Maybe I've made a mistake.

It seems I was proven right. The review occurred sooner than I thought, though, and the rationale mystifies. Have a look. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2022 (UTC) And again. Wanna give up. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 15:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, I've decided to post the reasoning. Here goes.... Bokoharamwatch (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Submission declined on 8 January 2022 by Dan arndt (talk).

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Submission declined on 7 January 2022 by Eagleash (talk).

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Declined by Eagleash 2 years ago.

Don't give up Bokoharamwatch. Keep on monitoring the deterioration of security in West and Central Africa. Your work will be appreciated in the future. Unfortunately there is Western bias in editing on Wiki. Africa is just as important as the USA or Western Europe. Regards. Conlinp (talk) 04:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC) Not giving up like 'that'/'that way'. Thanks, though. I meant on article. I have just pissed off a few by creating several massacre stubs, so I decided to refocus on the insurgencies I used to do. Still, this's still dozens/scores maybe even hundreds of potential articles. Well, this isn't the first time I'm clarifying. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

GAR for Burundi women's national football team

Burundi women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. -Indy beetle (talk) 04:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Requesting input at Talk:Maba people#Maba to Burgu change

I ran into something strange on this page. Two years ago a short-lived SPA changed all incidents of "Maba" to "Burgu". There was no prior discussion, no explanation in the edit summary, and the article Maba people was not renamed. I'm guessing it's a case of a more current name for the same ethnicity rather than article hijacking or vandalism, but it's not my area and the article is not widely followed, so I'm posting here in hopes of getting some knowledgeable input. Thanks Meters (talk) 01:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

From https://books.google.ca/books?id=u9Lq_8Ozf5cC&pg=PA1129 it appears that the original topic of this article may have been the Mabas, of which the Borgu are but one component group. Meters (talk) 01:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire

Hi, Ivory Coast changed officially its name in 1985 to Côte d'Ivoire [10]. By decree dated on October 14, 1985, the Ivoirian government decided to name the country "Côte d’Ivoire" and to no longer accept translations of this French name [11]. Isn't it time to put this official name in the wikipedia pages concerning this country ? [12] [13] A similar example is that of Costa Rica.
Add a request in WikiProject Countries talk page and WikiProject Ivory Coast talk page. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 09:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I added a request move here. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 09:42, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

The official name of a country is irrelevant; we go by the common name – hence why we have North Korea and South Korea. Number 5 7 18:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 9 of WikiAfrica Hour (Offline tech bridge)

Happy new year everyone!

I hope this finds you well.

This is to invite you to the Episode 9 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Offline tech bridge', slated to hold on 28th January 20221, at 4:00 pm UTC. Details:WikiAfrica Hour.

Ceslause — Preceding undated comment added 20:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFPR repurposing of shortcut

I would like to repurpose WP:AFPR for Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/AfrofuturistPeriodRoom if that's ok, since it doesn't seem to be getting any use now.--Pharos (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

We didn't use the shortcut, as we decided to rename to Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/MetAfrofuturist. However, the campaign is running throughout the month of February, and it includes several topics toed to Africa, and you're welcome to participate.--Pharos (talk) 16:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Stereotypes of Africa article needs more nuance

If anybody is willing to help expand on Stereotypes of Africa it would be greatly appreciated. Dwanyewest (talk) 13:14, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 10 of WikiAfrica Hour

Dear Wikimedians,

This is to invite you to episode 10 of WikiAfrica Hour where guests Candy Khohliwe from Wiki Loves Africa Botswana, Sadik Shahadu from Wiki Loves Earth Ghana and Douglas Scott from Wiki Loves Monuments South Africa, share their experience in building communities through organizing photo contests locally. Join us on 25th February 2022, at 4:00 PM UTC. Details:WikiAfrica Hour.Ceslause (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Invitation to Episode 11 of WikiAfrica Hour (Podcasting Wikipedia Women)

Dear all,

This is to invite you to WikiAfrica Hour episode 11, titled Podcasting Wikipedia Women, where we'll be celebrating some Wiki women, and their podcast initiatives. Date: 25th March 2022. Time: 4pm UTC. Details: WikiAfrica Hour Ceslause (talk) 11:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Afro-Pakistanis, can some one adopt it?

Greetings,

Happen to come across a interesting Draft:Afro-Pakistanis which still needs refs and other updates. I suppose, it will be good if some one comes forward to adopt and update the article draft; since the user who created seems to have been blocked for some other reason.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 08:05, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Chad

I have nominated Chad for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 23:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC) I have nominated Shangani Patrol for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 17:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ministry of Environment, Foresty and Tourism (Namibia)#Requested move 24 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ministry of Environment, Foresty and Tourism (Namibia)#Requested move 24 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 17:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Article titles for rulers of the Mali Empire

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility about what conventions should be followed for titling articles on the mansas of Mali. Ornithopsis (talk) 04:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Content dispute at Ethiopia

There is a content dispute at the main article Ethiopia (Talk:Ethiopia#April 2022) that would benefit from input from knowledgeable editors.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Paragon D Flowkiller

Udochukwu Emeka Ekpe known as Paragon D Flowkiller is a fast raising Nigerian singer Jimeen (talk) 07:00, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 12 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled, "Who is Maryana Iskander?"

Dear all,

This is to invite you to the episode 12 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled, "Who is Maryana Iskander?", where Maryana Iskander will be sharing her plans, aspirations for the Wikimedia Foundation, and her approach towards solving the movement-related problems. Date:22nd April 2022, Time:4pm UTC. Come prepared with questions you would like to ask her, or better still drop the questions via https://w.wiki/55Fs for us to ask on your behalf. Ceslause (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to Episode 12 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled, "Who is Maryana Iskander?"

Hello everyone! It promises to be an interesting conversation on community diversity, Annual planning, motivations, aspirations, as we sit with the CEO of Wikimedia Foundation, w:Maryana Iskander. Date: 22nd April 2022. Time:4pm UTC. You can drop questions via https://w.wiki/55Fs or ask them Live during the session. Ceslause (talk) 10:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Merge Poverty in Africa with main Africa page

I would like to propose that this page be merged into the Africa page. I do not make this proposition lightly or without deep thought.

Here's why I am proposing this change. I teach an undergraduate information literacy course to undergraduate students, mostly freshmen. They arrive at university with a false impression that Africa is 1 place with 1 set of problems which can be solved by the UN or some NGOs. They then try to write a 3-5 page paper on something relating to a UNSDG. Often with research questions such as "How can the UN reduce poverty in Africa." When I tell them this is too broad for a 3-5 page paper and that Africa is too big and diverse to have 1 problem with poverty etc...They then say but Wikipedia does that and they are correct. However, this article and others like it are very misleading to my students here in Florida and I bet in other US states who have a weak grasp of geography.

I also noticed while looking into this issue that Wikipedia has articles for poverty in individual western countries and Asian countries with no over arching "Poverty in Europe," "Poverty in North America," or "Poverty in Asia" articles, there is one for Africa and one for South America. This is very problematic. It reinforces, pejorative, colonial views that those giant diverse land masses can be addressed as whole places with so much in common that 1 article is acceptable. It reinforces the opinion of many in the US that Africa is 1 country, with massive problems which needs "our" help.

I find it very distressing that Wikipedia, a resource I contribute to, continues to reinforce such antiquated views of Africa. I know that news organizations, NGOs, the UN, and other governments discuss Africa as a whole but that is no excuse for Wikipedia to continue to breathe life into centuries old colonial views.

In summation, please consider eliminating all the articles which address Africa as a singularity and add to or create entries which deal with Africa in a similar way to other continents (other than those for South America). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kierstyc (talk • contribs) 22:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I know that news organizations, NGOs, the UN, and other governments discuss Africa as a whole - and that is precisely why we have an article on it, even if the article quite bad and needs improvement. It's considered a valid category for study (Brookings Institute World Bank), whether we like it or not. The African Union, somewhat by its very nature, looks at poverty on a continent wide basis ([14]). It is not our job to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. If anything, it seems like we are potentially missing the "poverty in Europe" and so on articles (example). -Indy beetle (talk) 00:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining the rational. I understand that but my students and I bet many other students and non-students don't understand. Could there be a sentence or 2 in the introduction which say something like;

While the African Union, the UN and other organizations look at poverty in Africa as a whole, the efficacy is questionable. Africa is a large, diverse continent, with multiple conflicting and confounding reasons why African nations typically fall toward the bottom of any list measuring small size economic activity, such as income per capita or GDP per capita, despite a wealth of natural resources.

I have 2 more weeks of intense grading but after that I can help fix and source this article more appropriately if that would help. I am a senior instructor at the University of South Florida with an MLIS and an MA in International Affairs. I've only ever done a tiny bit of editing in the past. So I would need and appreciate a lot of help making sure I get things in Wikipedia style. Kierstyc (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

- Per WP:NODISCLAIMERS, we can't just go around adding statements because we find something unfortunate or disagree with its logic. We would need sources, particularly scholarly ones, which openly criticize an attempt to analyze poverty in Africa on a continental basis for us to have a reason to add such a statement. I have, however, seen scholarly & good news sources which make note of the stereotypes of poverty in Africa and poverty porn media coverage, so we could probably create a section in the article like "Public perception" or "Media depictions" which discuss the phenomenon. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
  I can help work on that in a couple of weeks. I've seen similar articles such as that and ones addressing my suggested sentence. I just didn't want to spend time finding sources if there wasn't a possiblity of the suggestions being accepted. I really appreciate all your feedback. Kierstyc (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Notability of Abu-Abdullah Adelabu

I was looking over the page on the Ghana Empire, which brought the page on Abu-Abdullah Adelabu to my attention. Back in 2011–2012, Johnjofe added mentions of this person to several pages, including Ghana Empire. However, many of the claims on these pages seem to fail verification: for instance, I have not been able to find any references to a work by Adelabu titled The Ghana World: A Pride For The Continent prior to its mention on the Ghana Empire page in 2012, and the citations in the paragraph in question appear largely irrelevant to the topic at hand. The article on Adelabu himself is poorly sourced, and most of the sources are seemingly either self-published webpages or don't mention him at all. I am not convinced Abu Abdullah Adelabu is notable; if he is, his article needs serious revision to line up with WP:BLP. The paragraph on his comments about the historiography of the Ghana Empire also needs better sourcing or should be deleted. I suspect several of Johnjofe's other contributions also need review. BLPs are out of my wheelhouse, so I figured I'd take my concerns here rather than going straight to AfD. Ornithopsis (talk) 01:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Having looked at some of the sources, I say take it to AfD. -Indy beetle (talk) 09:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Metamizole (Dipyrone) medication availability in African countries

Hello,

I have recently worked on the Metamizole (Dipyrone) article, and I have tried to improve the availability map as much as I could.

I would like to ask help in knowing in which countries it is available OTC, if it needs prescription, or if it is not available/banned.

If you have information and don't want to edit the map yourself, you can comment at the File Talk page c:File_talk:Metamizole_(Dipyrone)_Availability_World_Map.svg and that would be enormously helpful. There are some countries that it is not available at the drug store, and only for hospitalized patients (Kuwait and Bangladesh), so asking a pharmacist could help clear any doubt.

Thanks! :)

—Arthurfragoso (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Months of African Cinema Global Contest!

Greetings!

The AfroCine Project core team is happy to inform you that the Months of African Cinema Contest is happening again this year in October and November. We invite Wikipedians all over the world to join in improving content related to African cinema on Wikipedia!

Please list your username under the participants’ section of the contest page to indicate your interest in participating in this contest. The term "African" in the context of this contest, includes people of African descent from all over the world, which includes the diaspora and the Caribbean.

The following prizes would be recognized at the end of the contest:

Overall winner
- 1st - $500
- 2nd - $200
- 3rd - $100
Diversity winner - $100
Gender-gap fillers - $100
Language Winners - up to $100*

Also look out for local prizes from affiliates in your countries or communities! For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. We look forward to your participation.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:20, 30th September 2021 (UTC)

Ýou can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list

Invitation to episode 13 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled "AfroGLAM"

Dear wikimedians,

This is to invite you to the episode 13 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled AfroGLAM.

The episode aims to celebrate some of the GLAM initiatives happening in Africa.

Guests include:

Dr. Nkem Osuigwe, Director of Training, African Library and Information Associations (AfLIA)
Arch. Nassima Chahboun, Chair and Co-founder, Wiki World Heritage User Group
Dr. Ngozi Osadebe, Organizer, Art+Feminism
Nina Yeboah, Program Manager, Art+Feminism

Date: 3rd June 2022 Time: 4pm UTC

Details:https://w.wiki/3E6L

Ceslause (talk) 21:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 14 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled WikiGovernance "On Board"

Dear wikimedians,

This is to invite you to the episode 14 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled WikiGovernance "On Board".

The episode aims to provide a platform for the community to meet the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election candidates from Africa, to learn their motivations and aspirations for joining the race.

Guests include:

Tobechukwu Precious Friday, WMF Board of Trustees 2022 election candidate
Gilbert Ndihokubwayo, WMF Board of Trustees 2022 election candidate
Abderamane Abakar Brahim, WMF Board of Trustees 2022 election candidate
Joris Darlington Quarshie, WMF Board of Trustees 2022 election candidate
Egbe Eugene Agbor, WMF Board of Trustees 2022 election candidate

Date: 24th June 2022 Time: 4pm UTC

Details:https://w.wiki/3E6L

Ceslause (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Ethiopian deaths

The recent massacre has been nominated. Pls see in the news section. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 04:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

What can this WP tell us about any similar massacres, especially those that might've been missed? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 04:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Notice of Good Article reassessment

Hi there! This is a notice that I have opened an individual Good Article reassessment on the article Guinea-Bissau women's national football team, which falls under the domain of this WikiProject. The review can be seen at this link (Talk:Guinea-Bissau women's national football team/GA2) and any editor is welcome to help fix it up so that it can maintain GA status. Thanks! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:15, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, I have opened the following reassessments as well. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

FYI some possibly relevant past discussions Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Africa/Archive_12#Nigerian_women's_football_/_soccer_initiative_(WP:WOSO-NG), Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Africa/Archive_12#African_women’s_football_teams. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 04:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Several issues

I've several issues. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 21:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Three, in fact, at least. An article, firstly and secondly, on Cameroun and Nigeria apiece have been moved to drafts (July 2015 Adamawa and Borno States attacks, August 2021 Cameroon clashes) but a similar article on Chad wasn't (2005 Chad attacks). Also the kidnap attempt I discussed earlier was also denied. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 21:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

More, pls see below. (Ethiopia discussion). Bokoharamwatch (talk) 04:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

More still, see below. Missed massacres. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 20:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Missed massacres

Where do I start? How does one begin? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 20:50, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Well the section above. Almost certainly too late for nominations. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Mali, B Faso (2ce each), Ethiopia. All (practically) too late. Chad and Congo (last year) may not still even exist. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Notice of Good Article reassessments

Hi there! This is a notice that I have opened several individual Good Article reassessments on articles which fall under the domain of this WikiProject. These reviews can be seen at the following links:

Any editor is welcome to help fix up these articles so that they can maintain GA status. Thanks! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:44, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Africa 2022-Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos Campaign

Dear Wikimedians,

We wish to notify you that Wiki Loves Africa 2022-Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos Campaign has started

Use images collected from Wiki Loves Africa to improve Wikipedia articles and win prizes!!!

Apart from the Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos international campaign prizes, WIki Loves Africa is offering some prizes too!

Deadline: 31st August 2022

To learn how to participate, visit https://w.wiki/5TEy Ceslause (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

GAR notices

Madagascar women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

Mauritius women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 14 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled WikiGovernance "On Board"

WikiAfrica Hour episode 14 is back & better! What has the Wikimedia Foundation elections committee been up to? What planing and processes are involved in WMF 2022 Board elections? Don't miss the answers to these questions and more as we engage Abhishek Suryawanshi from Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, and the Top 6 2022 Wikimedia Foundation Board elections candidates like Tobechukwu Precious Friday, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Mike Peel, Kunal Mehta & Farah Jack Mustaklem, as they share their experiences so far, and aspirations if elected! Come prepared with your questions!

Date: 5th August 2022
Time: 4pm UTC

Details:https://w.wiki/4NCj Ceslause (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Charles Atangana Featured article review

I have nominated Charles Atangana for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Jews of Color

Please contribute to this new article draft on Jews of Color.--Coin945 (talk) 20:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 15 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Wikimedians In Residence

Dear Wikimedians,

I'm delighted to invite you to episode 15 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Wikimedians In Residence.

The session is focused on shining light on the marriage between Wikimedia and some host organisations and its members who are interested in a productive relationship with the encyclopedia and its community.

To make the experience a fun and memorable one, we have invited the following guest speakers:

Bobby Shabangu - WiR, United Nations Development Programme, South Africa
Florence Devouard - WiR, World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
Nicolas Vigneron - WiR, Clermont Auvergne University
Alice Kibombo - WiR, African Library and Information Associations (AfLIA)
Daniel Obiokeke - WiR, The Africa Narrative

Date: 2nd September 2022
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: https://w.wiki/5dft Ceslause (talk) 16:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 16 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Wiki Identity

Dear Wikimedians,

It is my pleasure to invite you to episode 16 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Wiki Identity.

The session is focused on sharing details about how branding happens around the movement, choices, modifications, etc.

Guest speakers include:

Zack McCune - Director of Brand, Wikimedia Foundation
Erina Mukuta - Wikimedia Sound Logo community liaison

Date: 23rd September 2022
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 11:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Eritrea under Isaias Afwerki

There is currently a discussion about what to do with this page; any input would be appreciated! Felix QW (talk) 10:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 17 of WikiAfrica Hour, title Wiki Loves Africa 2022: Winners

Dear all,

It's my pleasure to invite you to episode 17 of WIkiAfrica Hour, titled "Wiki Loves Africa 2022: Winners".

It's an episode focused on hearing from the winners of the Wiki Loves Africa 2022 International prizes, to understand their photography journeys, their conviction around using photos and videos to tell stories, documentary photography, etc, and the selection process carried out by the Wiki Loves Africa 2022 International jury.

Guests include:

Miriam Nwosah, Member - Wiki Loves Africa 2022 Int'l jury
Anas Adam, Member - Wiki Loves Africa 2022 Int'l jury
Summer Kamal - 1st prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2022
Mohamed Hozyen - 2nd prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2022
Ayorinde Ogundele - 3rd prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2022
Green Wilfred Somoni - Best video prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2022
Mohammed Yousry, Special Collection prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2022

Date: 28th October 2022
Time: 4:00 PM UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 21:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Djibouti (city)#Requested move 28 October 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Djibouti (city)#Requested move 28 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Job opening

m:Wiki In Africa is looking for a « Community Facilitator » part time. Distance. Flexible hours. To work on exciting projects such as Wiki Loves Africa. Timeline to apply extended till Feb 6th.
Check out :https://www.wikiinafrica.org/2022/01/17/wiki-in-africa-is-expanding-community-facilitator-2022/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthere (talk • contribs) 23:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Paul Kruger

I have nominated Paul Kruger for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 02:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 18 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled How user groups are run

Dear all,

I wish to invite you to the episode 18 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled How user groups are run.

This episode is focused of shining light on what is takes to run a user group, how defunct communities are revived, how communities obtain recognition at Affiliations Committee, and lots more!

Guests include:

Tochiprecious - Co-founder, Igbo Wikimedians User Group
Candy Khohliwe - Program Coordinator, Wikimedia Community User Group Botswana
Manavpreet Kaur - Staff liaison, Affiliations Committee
Dumisani Ndubane Former Staff liaison, Affiliations Committee

Date:25th November 2022
Time: 4pm UTC
Details:http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 20:23, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello,
Please note that Medjed, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
_{Delivered by — MusikBot ^talk 00:05, 28 November 2022 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team}

Sources need: Lucy Kayiwa

I have created a draft for Lucy Kayiwa but it needs more sources for notability. I'm hoping that someone with better access to sources emanating from Africa could fill in what this needs. Thanks, 19:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC) Lamona (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 19 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Free, Open & Cool!

Dear all,

I'm glad to invite you to the episode 19 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Free, Open & Cool!.

This episode is focused on learning the criteria that a tool must meet before being adopted in the movement. We'll also learn more about what makes a tool cool, as the second part of the episode will feature a watch party of the 2022 Wikimedia Coolest Tool Award.

Guest is:

Egbe Eugene Agbor - Volunteer Wikimedia Developer

Date:16th December 2022
Time: 4:30 pm UTC
Details:http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

History of Africa

The section on post-1950 history, including decolonisation, is extremely thin. Very little on apartheid. No mention of the Suez crisis. Since it's such an important article I expect people will want to boost it up a bit. The historiography section at the end is also problematic. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Proposed split for South Africa article

Good tidings to you all. I proposed a split for the South Africa article to be split into one for the Apartheid era and the modern era on Talk:South_Africa#Splitting_this_article_into_South_Africa_and_Republic_of_South_Africa_, I of course need this project's opinion. Thank you.

HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 17:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Featured article review for Nafanan language

I have nominated Nafanan language for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 17:23, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Songhai people has multiple issues

Hello,

I noticed that the article about the Songhai people has more issues than I could possibly explain. I think it may benefit from a full rewrite, but I am by no means an expert in any of the relevant areas of study so I thought it'd be better to leave a message at WikiProject Ethnic groups and WikiProject Africa to bring it to the attention of people more qualified to help.

Thank you,

Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Recipients of the National Order of the Lion, Category:Recipients of Order of the Star of Ethiopia, etc

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Recipients of the National Order of the Lion and other similar Ethiopian order of merits. You might want to participate in the deletion review. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:09, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

International reactions to Algeria-South Africa and Algeria-South Sudan relations

I am pointing out this open discussion in case anyone is interested. 37.163.204.139 (talk) 13:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Burkinabè/Burkinabé

Please see this discussion regarding the correct demonym for the country of Burkina Faso. Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 20 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Open gatherings: One movement

Dear all,

I am delighted to invite you to episode 20 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, Open gatherings: One movement.

The episode is dedicated to understanding the new dynamics around conferences within the Wikimedia movement and experiences by former Core Organizing Team members of some conferences.

Guests include:

Ndahiro Derrick - Planning and Organising lead, WikiIndaba 2022
Euphemia Uwandu - Lead organiser, Wikimedia Youth Conference 2023 by The WikiVibrance Project
Butch Bustria - Event lead + Chair of Program subcommittee, 2023 Wikimania
Gnangarra Lake - Chair, 2023 Wikimania Scholarship sub-committee
Vanj Padilla - Co-lead, 2023 Wikimania Documentation & Event Communication Subcommittee
Emmanuelle KAKOU - Member, 2023 WikiConvention francophone Core Organizing Team

Date: 27th January 2023
Time:4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

GA nomination for Albert Luthuli

Hello all, I just want to inform everyone that I've nominated the article Albert Luthuli for GA and ask for your help reviewing it. Thanks. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 15:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Africa Office Hours : February 2023

Hello Everyone,

There will be Wiki Loves Africa Office Hours on Friday 3rd and Saturday 4th, February 2023. Below are the details:

French: Friday February 3, 2023 (18:00 PM UTC)

English: Friday February 3, 2023 (17:00 PM UTC)

:Saturday February 4, 2023 (13:00 PM UTC)

Come prepared with your questions, suggestions and concerns.

Details can be found here

Best Wilson O (talk) 09:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kusasi language#Requested move 1 February 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kusasi language#Requested move 1 February 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 18:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

WikiFocus on Climate in March

The m:African Knowledge Initiative (AKI) is a project that emerged from the partnership between the Wikimedia Foundation and the African Union to address the challenge of encouraging the creation of climate-related content in Africa through Wikimedia projects.

We are looking for volunteers to organize micro-events, edits on Wikipedia and Wikidata, who would like to organize contribution, training or translation events throughout the month of March, as part of the m:Africa Environment project.

These contributions should greatly increase and enrich the knowledge of climate, climate change and environmental threats in Africa in Wikimedia projects. A background in climate and environmental issues would be an asset.

Micro-grants of up to US$1500 will be awarded per project.

The call for proposals is open until February 28, 2023

Apply now!

Anthere (talk) 11:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

RfC: Name of the small country nestled within Senegal

NO CONSENSUS

In this discussion editors can be roughly divided into two groups; those that favor C and those than favor D (A and B). In numbers, these groups are evenly split, but consensus is not determined by voting but through the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue, as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy.

To support their position both sides relied on the same policies; WP:THE and MOS:CAPS. For the latter, those in favor of D presented ngrams showing that a substantial majority of sources did not use "The Gambia", and those in favor of C showed that a shallow analysis of a broader array of different sources showed that a substantial majority of sources did use "The Gambia".

This analysis was partially rebutted, with editors noting that it did not properly consider the use of "Gambia". However, this rebuttal was in favor of option A, not option B or D, and as no policy-based arguments were presented for that option this rebuttal could not have a significant impact on this discussion, as to find in favor of option A would require a super vote.

In regards to MOS:CAPS no side presented the stronger argument.

For the former those in favor of C made a stronger argument as to its applicability; "The Gambia" is listed as one of two countries where "The" is sometimes used at the start of its name.

Editors also raised issues with the forum that the discussion was held; some argued that this discussion should have been held at WP:THE per the result of a recent RM at The Gambia recommending that further discussion be taken to WP:THE, and others objected to the discussion being held at a WikiProject rather than at Talk:The Gambia. These objections have some merit; while local consensuses can decide which guideline is controlling in a given instance they cannot override a guideline globally, which a result in favor of A, B, or D would in reference to WP:THE.

Considering this discussion through the lens of policy a consensus in favor of D can not be found, but even if it could such a consensus would be in violation of policy and thus required to be set aside. ~~Through this lens a rough consensus in favor of C can be found, although common sense exceptions do apply.~~ Through this lens a consensus in favor of D cannot be found, as while the arguments in favor are slightly stronger the strength of these arguments are insufficient to establish a consensus.

However, the arguments for this position are only stronger due to an aspect of a guideline that has been challenged and so a discussion proposing to change that guideline may produce a different result - in such circumstances the guideline cannot be cited to support the continued existence of the guideline as such an argument would be circular. Editors wishing to pursue this path are advised to open further discussions at WP:THE proposing to modify or remove the sentence related to the small country nestled within Senegal under #Other proper names. Editors wishing to further explore the naming of the the small country nestled within Senegal are advised to open a discussion in WP:THE; before opening such a discussion they are also advised to gather stronger evidence in support of their position as to the applicability of MOS:CAPS, and they may wish to consider option A in more depth, including through the use of the generalized version of the ngrams presented by SMcCandlish. BilledMammal (talk) 12:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC) Updated BilledMammal (talk) 23:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Based on usage in independent, reliable sources, how should this country be named in Wikipedia articles?

Gambia (no definite article)
the Gambia (lowercase the)
The Gambia (capital The)
Either A or B
Either A or C
Either B or C
No preference

Current usage on Wikipedia varies by article, and sometimes even within the same article: for example, Gambia–Senegal border and Gambia–Spain relations use only A, the main article and most page titles use B exclusively, and Politics of the Gambia and The Gambia at the 2016 Summer Olympics use only C; Yahya Jammeh inconsistently mixes B and C. Two RfC's at Talk:The Gambia failed to reach consensus. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

The small country nestled within Senegal should be written as the Gambia (option B), just like the small country bordering the North Sea is written as the Netherlands. See here: Netherlands Sanderling~nlwiki (talk) 20:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

The AP, which we usually default to for unclear MOS, refers to it as "Gambia" [15]. WP:THE briefly touches on it, putting it in the same category as articles like The Hague and The Bahamas (for the latter, this seems to be a similar inconsistency). Curbon7 (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Curbon7, The AP also uses "President Hassan" instead of "President Samia" for Tanzania's president. I would not consider AP a reliable source on African proper nouns. Bigger issue for wikipedia is that anyone can edit, which is not an issue for the AP. By using anything other the common name everyone uses, you are making an eternity of headaches for future editors to maintain.

@LaundryPizza03, I am most familiar with C (The Gambia), but everyone I know from Senegal uses B (the Gambia). For example they always say, " ... for Senegalese, and the Gambians ... ". So I do not have a good answer, sorry. BevoLJ (talk) 07:15, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

In this RfC, you ask "how should this country be named in Wikipedia articles", which I assume refers to both article titles and article text. Using articles such as The Gambia at the 2016 Summer Olympics for examples is confusing, however, for determining capitalization of titles and text because The would always be capitalized at the beginning of that title even if not in the article text. Maybe a minor point, but... — AjaxSmack 01:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

C: The country's constitution & the UN both use this form. Also, I think this is the wrong forum for this question: 'The Gambia' is already recognised as a common form in WP:THE, which is a Wikipedia guideline. Pathawi (talk) 09:13, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
B (the Gambia). Per MOS:THECAPS, we don't capitalize "The" in names unless the overwhelming majority of sources do. I don't put particular value over the UN or the country's preference here. Popcornfud (talk) 11:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
C or F, per Pathawi. Above all though, this is not the right place for this discussion which should be at Talk:The Gambia. I note there is a longstanding local consensus there. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Furthermore, an admin on 28 December of this year closed a discussion on that page, directing any further discussion to the guideline WP:THE. This RfC should probably be closed. Pathawi (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Close The close at Talk:The Gambia#Requested move 20 December 2022 noted that Further discussion may need to take place at WT:THE, being the guideline behind "The". Alternatively, WT:AT, since WP:AT is the overarching policy. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:53, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
C - The Gambia is clearly the proper name (in line with the section in the naming convention WP:THE, regardless of it already being listed there) based on their domestic policy, various key international organisations, and other nations' governments, and I also understand it to be the WP:COMMONNAME. These together meet the second point outlined in WP:THE/the first point mentioned in the policy WP:DEFINITE. Regarding it being the common name - while other forms are sometimes used in reliable sources, these can easily be attributed to misguided attempts by these sources to follow their own style guides or to lack of awareness, and this still doesn't override it being the proper name. --Xurizuri (talk) 06:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
If these reliable sources use the lowercase, we can't simply disregard these as misguided or wrong. The entire point of the common-use policy is that we follow common use rather than making the judgement ourselves, which is what you're doing by dismissing those sources. Popcornfud (talk) 06:29, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
B. Not commonly capitalised in running text per WP:THE. The "official name" is completely irrelevant per WP:OFFICIAL. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:00, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
D per WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:THECAPS. To be specific, "the Gambia" (lowercase the) should be the noun form, but "Gambia" should be the attributive noun. Thus, Politics of the Gambia, but China–Gambia relations. (Exceptions should be made for e.g. Miss Gambia, Trans-Gambia Highway &c.) — AjaxSmack 01:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
I lean towards C, based on this source[16] by a historian who specializes in this country. The book's preface says that the official name of the nation that exists straddling the lower portion of western Africa's Gambia River is The Republic of The Gambia. For this reason, it is properly referred to as The Gambia, with both words capitalized. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Either A or B, not a huge fan of capital The for this country of all countries, and useage seems to be mixed.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
BC: We should make a decision based on Wikipedia's Manual of Style, which says "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia". It is a question of whether the is "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources". Last time I looked it was not a majority, let alone a substantial majority. If I can find the time (probably the beginning of next week), I'll do a new search of Google Books, Google Scholar and some other sources. If anyone else has time before me, please go ahead. If I find something different when I check this time, I will change my response. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 23:16, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I struck my previous choice and changed to C. I was wrong above, or things have changed since last time I looked. Common use definitely supports The Gambia. Based on the survey I did and posted below, that form is used "in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources". I still don't like the way it looks in a sentence, but we are used to it for The Hague and we can get used to it for The Gambia.

I'm happy to answer questions about the survey below. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 02:09, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

D (either A or B) depending on sentence structure. Just referred to alone, it is "the Gambia"; in a combinatory construction like "a Gambia–Senegal trade deal" it is without "the" unless the sentence structure calls for it to be there ("along the Gambia–Senegal border", but not "along the Senegal–the Gambia border"). Option C is wrong because sources do not consistently capitalize "The", so Wikipedia should not either (see first paragraph of MOS:CAPS). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish: "sources do not consistently capitalize 'The'" Did you see the #Survey of web sources I posted below? It surprised me, and it made me change my !vote. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 03:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
@SchreiberBike: Yes, and no it doesn't change anything. A cherry-picked list favoring capitalization does nothing to overturn the Ngram results which show nearly neck-and-neck usage of "the" and "The" [17]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:51, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish:, I'm in favor of following Wikipedia style and that generally means lower case when a lot of people want to capitalize. Going back to WP:BIRDCON, I've agreed with you the vast majority of the time. In the past I've argued for lower case the for The Gambia. The difference is that the list below is not cherry picked and when I saw new data, I changed my mind. The methodology is described in the first paragraph; the second paragraph invites other editors to double check my results. If the Google Ngram results were all we had, I'd find them convincing, but we have other data which indicates that in the top results from Google Scholar, Google Books, DuckDuckGo web search, Bing News, and sources in The Gambia, The is "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources". SchreiberBike | ⌨ 03:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
I would certainly not describe SchreiberBike's sample as "cherry picked" but there is always an inherent issue with small samples leading to sample bias. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Exactly. The N-grams don't lie. It's very likely that the online sources picked have been directly influenced by over-capitalization on Wikipedia itself. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
It is a small sample (50 examples), but it reflects the top results provided by the search engines. The examples from Google Scholar, Google Books and Bing News would be based on whatever style is used for those journal articles, books and news sources. Wikipedia is mixed, but article titles use lower case the in all but two cases. The ngram results for "in (T)the Gambia" don't lie, the last 40 years show the capitalized form in the majority (but not a substatial majority) all but three years.
I could expand the survey, but I doubt it would change any minds and it's time consuming. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 02:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
@SchreiberBike: Your statistics collection seems a bit questionable. Looking at your Bing News list, I see five articles that have "Gambia" in their headlines without being preceded by either "the" or "The". Those are all marked either as "no examples" or "the", but in my opinion the headlines of those are evidence for option A (i.e. no "T/the"). The Reuters via Yahoo News article is marked as "no examples", but it has no "the" or "The" in the headline, its first sentence is "Gambia charged eight soldiers with treason and conspiracy ...", and a later sentence says "Coup attempts are not uncommon in Gambia", which are clear evidence for option A. In my past experience I noticed that sports articles often seem to omit "the". Presumably, sources produced by the Gambian government and its affiliates should be somewhat discounted. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
@BarrelProof: You are correct that option A is not considered in that survey. It only addresses options B and C, "the Gambia" vs. "The Gambia". I couldn't come up with a fair way of comparing all three options. As a separate observation, the country has a long history of asking everyone to use "the". When I looked a few years ago, Gambian government sources were inconsistent, but this time they universally used "The".
All the results include the phrase "the gambia" in some form, but those marked no examples do not match the "General rules" in the first paragraph following #Survey of web sources. For your example above, the use of "the Gambia" is inside a quote, not in Reuters' voice. I'm happy to answer more questions. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 22:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
So was that list resulting from a search for "Gambia" or a search for "the Gambia"? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:51, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
It was searches for "the gambia" in quote marks from each of those search engines. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 01:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

About "All the results include the phrase 'the gambia' in some form", when I look at the Reuters article, I found only "Gambia" by itself and phrases in which that word is part of a longer compound noun rather than the being the subject itself. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
In the Reuters article, "Gambia charges eight soldiers over foiled coup", on Yahoo! News, the third paragraph reads:

"The Gambia government this afternoon charged eight soldiers of the Gambia Armed Forces with two counts of Treason and Felony Conspiracy to Commit Treason," the statement said.

The phrase "the gambia" was used in the article, so it turned up in the search results on Bing News. The only uses of the phrase "the gambia" were in a quote, rather than in Reuters' voice, so I marked it as no examples because I wanted to include edited text in the voice of news organizations rather than quotes from the Gambian government or others. (Even if those phrases had been in Reuters' voice, they wouldn't have counted because the first is at the beginning of a sentence, so it wouldn't have indicated how "the" should be capitalized, and the second was for the Gambia Armed Forces, not the country.)
If you think that's a mistake in the General rules I used, that's a reasonable thing to discuss. If necessary, we could change one or more rules and reanalyze. Let me know what you think or I'm happy to discuss anything else. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 02:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I guess I'm not necessarily asking for more searches. I'm just trying to clearly understand and make it clear to others what was done, and I suppose I'm trying to point out that "Gambia" is sometimes used by independent reliable sources without either "the" or "The", regardless of whether the Gambian government likes that or not. That choice was intentionally excluded in your search – you could have searched for "Gambia", but you didn't. Notice that in the phrases "The Gambia government" and "the Gambia Armed Forces", those are references to the government and the Armed Forces, not the country. In those phrases, "Gambia" could be substituted for "Gambian" and it would still mean the same thing, so the presence of "the" in those phrases does not indicate how that source refers to the country – both references to the country in that article say simply "Gambia" without "the" or "The". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I've had The Gambia on my watchlist for almost six years. There have been numerous edits and debates about capitalizing the, but I don't recall any serious proposal to drop the, though I know some publications use that style. As I said before, I also couldn't figure out a way to do a web survey fairly comparing all three. That's why I only worked on what seemed to me to be the likely question. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
A. "Ukraine" used to be commonly "the Ukraine". Same for "the Sudan". It was a hangover from "the X territory", which modern residents of these countries object to as colonial. And for heaven's sake, mid-sentence "the", please, if you really must use the article. So I say "Gambia". Tony (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
A - assuming there's no other countries named Gambia. GoodDay (talk) 06:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
A, B, and C all have their place. Mid-sentence, we don't cap "The", so B often. There are probably times when including the article would be awkward (e.g. "Go to the the Gambia embassy." or "a the Gambia official"), so A where needed. Dicklyon (talk) 10:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
D (A or B) While the issue is specifically capitalisation within the article, WP:P&G related to the article title are nonetheless relevant, at least to the extent that WP:THE is being cited. MOS:THECAPS is quite clear that we would not cap the in prose except where this is the title of a work (where the name is italicised). The guidance is unequivocal, with examples of the Bahamas and the Hague. WP:DEFINITE at the policy, WP:AT states: Do not place definite or indefinite articles (the, a, and an) at the beginning of titles unless they are part of a proper name. It then refers to the guideline at WP:THE: the default rule is to exclude them unless certain specific conditions are met, usually where they are integral to the article subject's name. Further: article[s] should be included at the beginning of the title of a Wikipedia article only if at least one of the following conditions is met: 1. If a term with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same term without the article ... [or] 2. If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text ... While The Gambia is specifically mentioned therein, the question is whether it meets the criteria in order to be an exception.

Ngram searches can be contexturalised to indicate usage in prose (eliminating uses in headings that would use title case). While less common without the, it is nonetheless used without the to a significant extent. It does not satisfy the first condition.[18] When used with T|the it is only capitalised a little more than half the time. In the case of inconsistency between WP:P&G, we defer to the superior guidance. The in The Gambia is not consistently capitalised in sources. It does not meet the guidance at MOS:CAPS to be considered a term that would be capped in full. It does not meet the condition 2. The article title The Gambia is not supported by the evidence assessed against guidance. While we might commonly use the Gambia within the article, the should not be capitalised IAW evidence and prevailing WP:P&G.

The Gambia is not the official name but the WP:COMMONNAME. The official name is T|the Republic of T|the Gambia. It does not follow to capitalise the in the shortened name. However, the ngram evidence would also give reason not to capitalise either the in the official name.[19] Cinderella157 (talk) 04:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

C (2nd choice F). This seems to be an end-run around the various RMs that have found consensus to name the article "The Gambia". Honor the title used by the article by default, unless there are common name reasons that suggest something else (e.g. I can see certain circumstances where "Gambia" alone might be proper due to abbreviation or awkwardness, e.g. the "Gambia-XYZ relations" type article). SnowFire (talk) 20:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Survey of web sources

General rules: This is the usage within the search results in the order they were given. I looked at each source until I found 10 with a clear conclusion (5 on the last two). I only looked at usage in the middle of sentences. I excluded quotations, titles, and the names of organizations and programs. I excluded the phrases "Gambian", "Gambia River" and "Republic of The Gambia". I excluded Wikipedia and copies of Wikipedia. I excluded links that only went to abstracts or small portions of a document, but they are listed and marked no access (abstracts may use the style of the abstracting service). Some pages mix both styles and are marked mixed use. Some pages have no examples that meet these criteria and are marked no examples.

Feel free to double check. Search results may vary from person to person and from day to day. I've summarized the results in the form The:the at the beginning of each section and there is an overall summary at the bottom.

Google Scholar

("the gambia", 2023-01-06) 9:1

A Political History of the Gambia, 1816–1994. (2006). "The".
"Strengthening health management: experience of district teams in The Gambia". (1996). "The".
"Economics and Politics in the Gambia". (1990). "The".
"Women entrepreneurs in the Gambia: challenges and opportunities". (2006). no access.
"Cancer in The Gambia: 1988–97". (2001). "The".
"The Gambia Hepatitis Intervention Study". (1987). "The".
"Tourism and employment in the Gambia". (1984). no access.
"Farm Household Production Efficiency: Evidence from The Gambia". (2005). no access.
"Therapeutic landscapes of the Jola, The Gambia, West Africa". (1998). "The".
"Stroke Presentation and Outcome in Developing Countries". (2005). "The".
"Segmentation by motivation for rural tourism activities in The Gambia". (2014). no access.
"Peasant Women and Economic Transformation in The Gambia". (1992). no access.
"A prospective survey of the outcome of pregnancy in a rural area of the Gambia". (1987). "the".
"Mortality and morbidity from malaria among children in a rural area of The Gambia, West Africa". (1987). no access.
"Seasonal variation of paediatric diseases in The Gambia, West Africa". (2016). no access.
"Radio Promotion of Family Planning in The Gambia". (1994). "The".
"Antenatal care in The Gambia: Missed opportunity for information, education and communication". (2008). "The".

Google Books

("the gambia", 2023-01-07) 6:4

One Plastic Bag. (2015). "the".
The Gambia. (1988). "The".
A History of the Gambia. (1940). "the".
The Rough Guide to The Gambia. (2003). "The".
The Gambia: The Bradt Travel Guide. (2018). "The".
The Gambia: The Untold Dictator Yahya Jammeh's Story. (2012). "the".
The Gambia-Senegal Border: Issues in Regional Integration. (2019). "The".
Birds of Senegal and The Gambia. (2012). "The". (The text can not be viewed but the image of the front cover shows "The Gambia" while "and" is lower case.)
The Gambia Colony and Protectorate: An Official Handbook. (1906 reprinted 1967). "the".
The Gambia and Its People: Ethnic Identities and Cultural Integration in Africa. (2010). "The".

DuckDuckGo

("the gambia", 2023-01-08) 9:1

"The Gambia" Britannica. (2022). "The".
"Gambia, The" The World Factbook (US CIA). (2022). "The".
"Gambia" US Department of State. (2022). "The".
"Welcome to The Gambia" Gambia Tourism Board. (2023). mixed use.
"The Gambia" Travel.State.Gov (US Department of State). (2022). "The".
"The Gambia" Lonely Planet. (2023). "The".
"The Gambia: Former minister released after alleged coup" Deutsche Welle. (2022). "the".
"The Gambia details plan of alleged coup plotters" Africanews. (2022). "The".
"The Gambia" NASA Earth Observatory. (2020). "The".
Ministry of Finance and Economic Affairs (The Gambia). (2023). "The".
"Alex Haley's Grandson, Son of Chief Gambian Technical Adviser for Book 'Roots' To Visit The Gambia" Black Enterprise. (2023). "The".

Bing News

("the gambia", 2023-01-08) 8:2

"Alex Haley's Grandson, Son of Chief Gambian Technical Adviser for Book 'Roots' To Visit The Gambia" Black Enterprise. (2023). "The".
"The Gambia". BBC. (2023). "The".
"The Gambia sets up investigative panel to examine coup attempt" Africanews. (2022). no examples.
"Gambia charges eight soldiers over foiled coup" Reuters via Yahoo! News. (2023). no examples.
"President Touray visits some government officials as part of his mission to The Gambia" Modern Ghana. (2022). "The".
"The Gambia details plan of alleged coup plotters" Africanews. (2022). "The".
"Gambia Charges Two Civilians, Police Officer In Coup Bid" Barron's. (2023). no examples.
"President Barrow receives 40,021 bags of rice from China" Devdiscourse. (2023). "The".
"The Gambia to Host 17th Africa Security Watch Awards, Conference in November" ThisDayLive. (2022). "The".
"Saidy Janko: From Old Trafford to The Gambia and Africa Cup of Nations" BBC Sport. (2021). "The".
"Gambia Releases Opposition Figure After Coup Bid" Agence France Presse via Barron's. (2022). no examples.
"Gambia Says Coup Bid Sought Hostages, Army Restructure" Agence France Presse via Barron's. (2022). "the".
"Gambia Probes Coup Bid And Arrests More Soldiers" Agence France Presse via Barron's. (2022). no examples.
"Turkish Cooperation and Coordination Agency (TİKA) Supports Children Being Treated for Clubfoot in the Gambia" Zawya. (2022). "the".
"Uzbekistan links deaths of at least 18 children to India-made syrup" The Independent. (2022). "The". (full article available through 12ft)

Google Search for Gambian top-level domain

("the gambia" site:.gm excluding .gov.gm, 2023-01-08) 5:0

Gambia Tourism Board. (2023). mixed use.
The Point. (2023). no examples.
The Standard. (2023). "The".
The University of The Gambia. no examples.
"Gambia" UNHCR. mixed use.
MRC Unit The Gambia at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. (2020). "The".
"The Constitution of the Republic of The Gambia". (1997). "The".
Central Bank of The Gambia. (2023). "The".
"Evolution of Currency in The Gambia" Central Bank of The Gambia. (2023). "The".

Google Search for Gambian government top-level domain

("the gambia" site:.gov.gm, 2023-01-09) 5:0

Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). "The".
Ministry of Health, The Gambia. no examples.
"Latest News" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). "The".
"Cabinet" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). no examples.
"Office of The President: H.E. Adama Barrow" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). no examples.
"Welcome to Meccnar" Ministry of Environment, Climate Change & Natural Resources Republic of the Gambia. (2021). mixed use.
"Contact" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). no examples.
Judiciary of The Republic of The Gambia. (2020). mixed use.
THREE BROWSERS MARKED THE Ministry of Finance and Economic Affairs AS NOT SECURE.
"Constitution of The Gambia" Judiciary of The Republic of The Gambia. (1997). "The". (downloaded document)
"Videos" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). no examples.
"Welcome to MOTC" The Ministry of Tourism & Culture Republic of The Gambia. no examples.
"Speeches and Statements" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). no examples.
"Welcome to MECCNAR" Ministry of Environment, Climate Change & Natural Resources Republic of The Gambia. (2022). "The".
"Office of the First Lady" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). no examples.
"The Gambia Assumes ECOWAS Commission Presidency" Office of the President: Republic of The Gambia. (2022). "The".

Summary

Out of a total of 50, 42:8 or 84% capitalized The. There were also five which used both. If they are counted as both, there were 60, 47:13 or 78% capitalized The. These are not the results I expected and I plan to change my !vote above. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 01:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Closure

@LaundryPizza03: The RFC template was recently removed. This has been a festering issue for years and I'd love to see it resolved one way or another. What needs to happen next for this to be formally closed? Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Is there any objection if I go to Wikipedia:Closure requests and make a request for this to be formally closed? Is there anything special I should add to the request? Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 04:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Closure requested. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 03:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Post close

Hi BilledMammal, I would seek some clarification regarding your close please. If I am reading you correctly, in almost all respects of the discussion, you would see that there is no consensus. The substantive reason for concluding a rough consensus for C (capped) is that The Gambia is listed as an exception at WP:THE? Cinderella157 (talk) 10:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you read that correctly. BilledMammal (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

BilledMammal, while there are multiple references to WP:THE and whether the criteria therein are satisfied, I am seeing only one case made which relies on The Gambia being listed as an exception at WP:THE? Noting that in all other respects, there is no consensus, there would appear to be no consensus as to whether it meets the criteria of WP:THE? There would appear to be an inconsistency within WP:THE that is not reconciled by the discussion. But there does not appear to be an inconsistency between the criteria at WP:THE and MOS:CAPS - it is perhaps, more a matter of evidence? If there is an inconsistency in guidance, the overarching P&G prevails. This is WP:AT, which was mentioned in the discussion but not the close. There is also the matter of venue that is acknowledged in the close: These objections have some merit. This would point to how and when The Gambia was added to WP:THE. Can I suggest that the lens of P&G has been too narrowly focussed in this instance? Cinderella157 (talk) 13:01, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Because of the example I find that there is a consensus that it meets the requirements of WP:THE, as the example makes the arguments in favor of that position stronger. I also believe that three editors, not one, made arguments supported by that example; Pathawi, Brigade Piron, and Xurizuri.

The venue argument only applies to the positions that would violate WP:LOCALCONSENSUS; I cannot reject D on the basis of venue as it does not violate that policy.

When a WP:BOLD edit to policy becomes the status quo is undefined, and that makes the when and how the example was added potentially relevant, but insufficient for me to overturn the close; the change went unchallenged for at least six months, enough time for an argument to be made that it is now the status quo, and that means I have to close based on the current text of the guideline.

However, if you can convince the community that it is not yet the status quo and revert it on that basis then this closure would need to be overturned to no consensus, but I do not know whether such an attempt would be successful or advisable. BilledMammal (talk) 14:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Cinderella here, the outcome should have been no consensus. The close clearly notes that there is equal merit in both positions when considering the available evidence in sources (which is ultimately what determines these questions), and given that the whole point of this discussion was to attempt to settle the debate across the project, citing "policy" from some other page in the project doesn't constitute a binding reason to find in one direction or the other. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Agreeing with Amakuru, my impression is that the only reason this topic was included in the list of exceptions in WP:THE is that it was trying to document important exceptions that exist, not that it was saying that such an exception has been agreed upon as some higher-priority guidance that should prescribe the outcome of an RfC about that specific question. Depending on it to justify the outcome of the RfC seems like a circular effect. I have had difficulty following the argument laid out in the closing rationale. I note that in the period before this recent edit, which was marked as "minor" and had no edit summary and was from an SPA with no edit history, the article about the country had used lowercase "the" consistently. The only two edits made by that SPA were on the same day and were both for that purpose. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all for your input. On that basis, I've overturned the close to "no consensus". BilledMammal (talk) 23:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 21 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Commons: Inside out

Dear Wikimedians,

I wish to invite you to episode 21 of WikiAfrica Hour, title Commons: Inside out, where we shall be discussing Wikimedia Commons user experience, where the images on Commons come from and many other interesting details.

Guests include:

Wilson Oluoha - Community facilitator, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Ziko Van Dijk - Wiki expert, Netherlands/Germany
Fiona Romeo - Member, 2022 Image Description Week Working group

Date: 24th February 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

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Discussion at Science

You are invited to join the discussion at Science, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. In particular, there are concerns that this article downplays African origins of science. — Freoh 01:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Burkina Feb 2023

What's the name of the attack that killed 70 soldiers? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bokoharamwatch: The 2023 Oudalan attacks.[20] (Plural, because if you're thinking of an article, I think the same article could cover the attack in Tin-Akoff a couple days before.) [21] Larataguera (talk) 21:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Edielu Silas

Edielu silas aka silent burner is one of the prominent music makers in the ugandan musical platform. He is marked by his melodic voice that impress than unimpress his fans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.210.147.250 (talk) 13:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Publicizing RM on Somali Civil War

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Invitation to episode 23 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Gender Focus

Dear all,

It is my pleasure to invite you to commemorate the International Women's Rights Month 2023 with us on episode 23 of WikiAfrica Hour titled Gender Focus.

We will be spotlighting the achievements, challenges, lessons and prospects of gender gap initiatives.

Guests include:

Sunshine Fionah Komusana - Coordinator, #VisibleWikiWomen campaign by Whose Knowledge?
User:Ciell - Volunteer, WikiProject GenderGap
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Darina - Volunteer, #SheSaid campaign, Ukraine
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Date: 31st March 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
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Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:40, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Mount Kenya

Mount Kenya has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

African Queens (docu-series)

I started an article on the documentary series produced by Jada Pinkett Smith. Harizotoh9 (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 24 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Tech Ops

Fellow Wikimedians,

I'm delighted to invite you all to episode 24 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled "Tech Ops".

We will be discussing the work of the product and technology teams of Wikimedia Foundation, how the Wikimedia Foundation plans to achieve its technological goals of the 2030 Movement Strategy, the annual plan of the product team, among other interesting points.

Guest:

Selena Deckelmann - Chief Product & Technology Officer, Wikimedia Foundation

Date:28th April 2023

Time: 3pm UTC

Details: http://w.wiki/5dft Ceslause (talk) 18:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 25 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards

Fellow Wikimedians,

I'm delighted to invite you all to episode 25 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled "Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards".

We will be discussing the Wikimedia Foundation's Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards...the categories, nomination process, timeline and many other details around the prospects.

Guests:

Daniel Anyorigya - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group
Romeo Lomora - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group
Olaniyan Olushola - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group
Winnie Kabintie - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group
Gwadamirai Majange - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group

Date: 03/05/2023
Time: 4pm UTC

Details: http://w.wiki/5dft Ceslause (talk) 12:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Biledulgerid

Eh... there's a stub article on this imaginary place that someone knowledgeable in NW Africa really should clean up when they have the time. We shouldn't completely delete it since it does show up on many many period maps, but we should make it clear that it wasn't a real thing, who the actual people in the area were, and what the actual states were during the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s when Europeans just handwaved the region with this mangled Arabic name. — LlywelynII 13:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

North Africans are invaders myth

Hello, I have come to ask for help on a topic that I lack knowledge in. Recently I have been seeing claims that the modern-day inhabitants of North Africa are the descendants of invaders and that the indigenous people of North Africa are actually "Black Africans" that were forcibly removed, and that all of the accomplishments of North Africa before the spread of Islam were made by said "Black Africans". I know that these claims are untrue, but the frequency of these claims appearing before me is high enough for me to see if there was already a Wikipedia article on it. Is this topic notable enough to make into an article, especially with the recent backlash these claims have made in Egypt with Kevin Hart's show being cancelled and Netflix being sued for its portrayal of Cleopatra as a Black woman? Also, is there something I'm wrong about in this post, I'm not too knowledgeable in this subject. – Treetoes023 (talk) 05:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

It is interesting. I don't know if the US black power movement's pseudohistorical fringes has a single article since it's so nebulous and comes from so many different directions at once. I know the racist Reddit &c. meme form is "we was kings" but that only redirects to "List of symbols designated by the Anti-Defamation League as hate symbols", which only links to the Ancient Egyptian race controversy. It probably would be useful to have one place to redirect to, rather than having separate well-sourced debunkings at every place this pops up... but there's just tons of them. For what it's worth, though, yeah, there absolutely was an Arabicization of the entire region where leaders everywhere from the Berbers to the Somalis pretended to be Arab and have lineages tying them into Muhammad, playing down their own origins to fit into the major faith and power in the region post-invasion. That spilled over into client states and trading partners who were never even invaded themselves. Similarly, yeah, the area's early major power Carthage had a leadership and culture pulled from Tyre and the Middle East but a polity made of a mix of local people plus extensive trading ties with southern Africa even if you don't believe the legends about them rounding the entire continent by galley. — LlywelynII 13:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: I would support the creation of an article about the US black power movement's pseudohistorical fringes. Regarding the information you've brought up about the North Africans are invaders myth; I do know that North Africa was Arabicized heavily, but the ethnic groups there are still the same they were before Arabicization. The myth claims that before the Arabicization the people that lived there were "Black Africans" and that those people were removed during the Arabicization and replaced with the people that exist there today. Having researched this topic further, I am now certain that this is a myth. The best evidence we have that this claim is a myth is ancient DNA that was sequenced in Morocco, this DNA is so ancient that it is the oldest DNA sequenced in Africa. This ancient DNA is almost identical to the DNA of the modern inhabitants of North Africa, which supports that the modern inhabitants have always been here, even before Arabicization. It is important to note that the ancient DNA does have more "sub-Saharan African" DNA than its modern counterparts, but the decrease of "sub-Saharan African" DNA was not caused by Arabicization and instead was caused by the isolation of the two groups of people due to the increase of the size of the Sahara. The increase in size of the Sahara caused reproductive isolation and in turn genetic drift. The level of "sub-Saharan African" DNA present in North Africans reached about the same level it is now before civilizations had emerged in the world. – Treetoes023 (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Eh, that's obviously untrue. You can have many genes remaining as a statistical matter (especially mitochondrial), but the "ethnic groups" in north Africa today are only "the same" in the vaguest possible sense. Phoenicians built cities and hired mercs from across the Mediterranean, Roman legionaries were settled there, the Vandals ran an entire kingdom in the area and faced a Byzantine reconquest, Arabs intermixed for centuries, trade across the Sahara was ongoing, there were Arab occupations of Sicily and Catholic Crusades in Tunis, Ottoman pirate kings and white slave raiding, 19th-century imperialism, &c. The whole time local tribes were forming their own alliances and crushing enemies as best they could. No, Carthage wasn't majority black African but, no, the Berbers haven't been untouched by the ages either.

Oversimplifying to serve modern psychological and social purposes is where the pseudoscience is coming from on the other side. Opposing that with a new competing oversimplification isn't a decent answer. — LlywelynII 15:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: My apologies, I clearly have more to learn about this subject. I don't really know the history of Africa, let alone North Africa (no thanks to the American school system), and generalizing people based purely on genetic similarity and disregarding the history of those people and the area they live in is surely to lead to misinformation on my part. – Treetoes023 (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I know, I know. The baseline is always WP:AGF. Still, I'm sometimes I'm blown away by how good some Wikipedians are. Please do keep on being a mensch, keep learning, and keep helping out the project. Thank you for cheering me up today. =) — LlywelynII 16:00, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: Thank you! It made my day knowing that I cheered you up! – Treetoes023 (talk) 16:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 26 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Africa & Movement Charter

Fellow Wikimedians,

It is my pleasure to invite you to episode 26 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled, Africa & Movement Charter.

This session aims to explain in detail the concept, offerings and steps of the Movement Charter, and its relevance to the African community.

Guests:

Anass Sedrati - Member, Movement Charter Drafting Committee
Georges Fodouop - Member, Movement Charter Drafting Committee

Date: 26th May 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

NB: This episode will be in both English and French! Ceslause (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Lofa County districts and map update

I just updated Kolahun District, and found out that two districts split from Kolahun, meaning the map on that article is no longer accurate. Does anyone know how to make a more accurate one? (These articles could also use quite a bit of improvement, but they seem serviceable for now. I'll clean up some more stuff once I get around to actually pulling up the 2008 census so I can work with it properly.)

(Side note: is the 2022 census reliable? Liberian Observer is not convinced, but like I said, I know nothing about Liberia. Would like to not have to re-update a bunch of numbers with 2022 if it turns out that the data is reliable.) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 23:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Maasai shúkà

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Talk:Maasai people#Shúkà. The gist is that we have a section on clothing at that article, and a section on the same cloting/material at Tartan#Maasai shúkà, so we probably either need to do some merging or even have a separate article at Shúkà. I'm not sure exactly which is preferable. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

What next for capital "T" in The Gambia?

I'm starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#What next for The Gambia? about how to followup on the RfC which changed Wikipedia style to use a capital "T" for The Gambia mid-sentence and mid-article title. Please participate in the discussion there. Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 04:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Is this missing a link or some context? The discussion here and at MOS both came to no consensus, which they would have to do since—no—mid-sentence capitalized The isn't ever going to be standard English for any country. Even if some single vote in a single place got a local consensus for it (which doesn't seem to have happened), it'd be overturned in time as more readers and editors noticed the weirdness and started reacting to it.

If you were just confused by the bad research above, someone did a % analysis of the capitalizations without considering that most of the (limited) items they were counting were already in title case. You'd need to rerun the thing with normal sentences to get anything useful. — LlywelynII 13:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: Yes, there's missing context. I've spent years on Wikipedia knocking down excessive capitalization following the Manual of Style, the general rule of which is "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia."

I've been monitoring the article on the Gambia for years and have tried and failed to establish consistency because there is no consensus on Wikipedia one way or another. There have been many discussions and LaundryPizza03 started this one which started to gain some attention. As part of that discussion I completed a survey of reliable sources which showed that "out of a total of 50, 42:8 or 84% capitalized The." The rules I used for gathering that data are described there and only include the middle of sentences. I provided links so anyone could check my work. I was surprised by what I'd leaned and changed my !vote based on 84% clearly being a "substantial majority".

After further discussion BilledMammal closed the discussion as "Rough consensus for C". A few days after that, I posted on the talk page for the Manual of Style What next for The Gambia? I posted links to that discussion here and elsewhere.

Later BilledMammal reversed their decision and I posted on the talk page for the Manual of Style that reversal and stuck out what was then above. I did not go back to the other pages where I had posted links to that discussion. I should have.

For now there is no consensus and I and Wikipedia will live with the inconsistency, but it seems that usage in reliable sources is changing and I suspect we will change our guidance in the future. I do note that capitalized The is standard for The Hague and though it looks wrong to me and others, we live with that just fine.

Sorry I missed your note above when it was posted. This has given me a chance to look back at the process and post my conclusions. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

You listed your examples. You're still misrepresenting them. It wasn't 80+% because most of your examples were already in title case, not sentence case. Some had the as the first word in a title. That's not any support for its use in running text sentences at all.

Similarly, I don't know who you're speaking for with the Hague. It's common but wrong; just an overliteral use of Dutch orthography which overcapitalizes from proximity to Germany. See also the mistaken use of IJ as an initial "capital" following Dutch orthography too closely. It's the same mistake that makes some people add tones to Chinese names in English running text and that makes all of Wiktionary force Cantonese names into lower case.

That said, there's at least WP:RS for those and more or less a WP:CONSENSUS there. I know Trump has popularized just claiming what you'd like to be true as true, but let's not. Your comment just now walks back what you were saying before. Good. There wasn't a consensus at all and it was wrong for you to claim there was. Your list of examples contradicted the statistic you keep claiming and supported the other side of the argument. Something to keep in mind is that it also seems like it might be a UK/US division, with Brits sources more likely to randomly capitalize the in official names within their own government like The Heritage Trust. — LlywelynII 01:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll respond in individual paragraphs.

"You listed your examples." I did not list examples. I listed short linked references to the web pages where I found the examples. This is explained at the top of that section where it says that titles were excluded. You may click on those links and search their text for "the gambia" to see how capitalization is handled on those pages. If I got any wrong, please let me know.

"Similarly, I don't know who you're speaking for with the Hague."

At The Hague, The is capitalized every one of the 161 times it is used preceding Hague.
In our Manual of Style, at MOS:THECAPS The Hague is listed as a correct exception and has been been there since 2012 when the section on The was introduced.
A web search for capitalization of The Hague shows that The is recommended by all style guides I found, but some use lowercase for phrases like the Hague Conference.

"There wasn't a consensus at all and it was wrong for you to claim there was." Above I described and linked the edit in which the RfC was closed as "Rough consensus for C" and was not challenged for several days.

I've seen no sign that there is an MOS:ENGVAR issue on capitalization of the Gambia.

Comparing my statements to Trump's statements is an insult I've never received before. Despite what you've written I see no significant errors in what I've done. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 17:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Comparing to Trump is the new "comparing to Nazis". GregRetro (talk) 05:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Mali government maps

Are there any maps released by the Mali government which show accurate borders for the new regions of Mali and cercles of Mali? There are some maps but I can't figure out if they are accurate because they lack sources. Any map released from 2016 should work. Any additional publications (government or otherwise) with statistics about each region should be helpful too. Among other things, I don't know which sources are considered reliable for Mali. I'm also not sure why the name "Taoudénit" is used instead of "Taoudenni" or "Taoudeni". —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 19:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey there Lights... In 2020-21 I did some extensive OSM mapping of placenames and région/cercle boundaries for Mali, mainly in the four central régions. It was frankly complete chaos. The country's "GIS Portal" essentially was a link back to OSM, and there were no digital copies of ANY official maps since the French IGN 1:200,000 series in the 60's. The best maps that gave a clue about modern boundaries actually came from the 2016 DNH Series (Direction Nationale de l'Hydraulique) from the Ministère de l'Énergie et de l'Eau. They were awful and unsourced but it was testament to just how little official data there was. I notice that they don't show the Taoudeni région either. Not surprising.

Maybe things are better now? I hope to go back and finish what I started - but the amount of contradictory data became too much for me. You can literally tell where I gave up in different cercles when presented with a wall of data-chaos: orderly placenames for every village and then nothingness... scrawls of dirt roads joining at unnamed settlements.

Oh... and the placenames themselves? Yeah. More chaos. You usually have the original French spelling (Taoudénit) used in official documents, the "Malified" French spelling and variants (Taoudenni, Taoudeni), as well as the local lingua franca-influenced versions (Tawdenni, Taudeni, Tudini). More than once I found myself stubbornly trying to site a placename with another one in the way before realizing that they were different spellings of the same place.

I wish you the best of luck - would love to know if you find anything official. GregRetro (talk) 07:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

lbrahim inyass (1900_1975)

sheehu lbrahim inyass dayyado liyde saanagal a yauba hakkude lisde gambeeya suyti yalde (1975 )laandañ engla sheehu lbrahim ardujo tinjaniyaa 105.112.47.169 (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 2013 CECAFA Cup

2013 CECAFA Cup has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Africa Growth Project Pilot: Invitation for Input

Apologies for cross-posting.

Dear Wikipedians, in response to expressed needs of the communities in sub-Saharan Africa to help achieve growth of the editing communities in the region, the Wikimedia Foundation is working on an experiment-based project dubbed the Africa Growth Project. The project seeks to enhance already existing community efforts by creating a more effective online learning component, which would allow in-person efforts to focus on already-engaged newbies who have obtained a solid foundation in Wikipedia policies and collaboration norms, maximizing the return on investment of human volunteer effort. The hypothesis guiding this experiment is that providing high-quality training to new and existing Wikipedians covering the basics of contribution to Wikipedia (including introducing the many ways to contribute beyond article writing) can double the retention rates of active editors in the region.

For the pilot, we will be developing four modules, and we are inviting you to share feedback on outlines for these training modules, which are:

We hope to benefit from your experience as Wikipedians in sharing your input on these module outlines, to ensure that they capture what is needed to support the community's understanding of those policies. We are interested to hear your thoughts on what's missing, what's good, what could be improved, and any suggestions on the modules' and sections' order and pace, great illustrative examples and helpful exercises that would be useful to incorporate.

We will take your input into consideration as we develop the full modules based on these outlines (including whatever change suggestions we accept). We will also be publishing the complete modules on the WikiLearn platform when they are ready.

See the details of the pilot and the modules in the Africa Growth Pilot Page on Meta-Wiki. Kindly share your comments on the talk page by July 21st, 2023.

Thank you, from the Africa Growth Pilot team @DNdubane (WMF), @VThamaini (WMF) and @Asaf (WMF). VThamaini (WMF) (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Content assessment

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment#Proposal: Reclassification of Current & Future-Classes as time parameter, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. This WikiProject received this message because it currently uses "Current" and/or "Future" class(es). There is a proposal to split these two article "classes" into a new parameter "time", in order to standardise article-rating across Wikipedia (per RfC), while also allowing simultaneous usage of quality criteria and time for interest projects. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Witchcraft

There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Witchcraft#Ridiculous! about changing the content of the lead and core definitions at Witchcraft. As the article has content about practices in African cultures, members might want to check it out. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 18:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 28 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled The state of diversity, equity & inclusion

Fellow Wikimedians,

It's my pleasure to invite you to the episode 28 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, "The state of diversity, equity & inclusion."

This episode is aimed at engaging some amazing wikimedians working in the diversity, equity & inclusion space in one way or another, as they share their thoughts on the current state of things and prospects, and also learning more about the WikiWomenCamp 2023.

Guests include:

Camelia Boban - Coordinator, 2030 Movement Strategy Diversity Working Group
Z. Blace - Media researcher, curator and co-organizer of QW2023
Ciell - Member, Movement Charter drafting committee & Central notice admin
Manav Kaur - Co-lead, WikiWomenCamp 2023

Date: 14th July 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 13:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

UN charges over Darfur incident

Plz see here. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 18:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Request for an article to be created if anyone is interested

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I left a request for an article to be created at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Social sciences/History, the article is about Africa so I'm leaving a message for anyone who might be interested in creating the article. The article I am requesting the creation of is "Territorial evolution of Africa", there are plenty of articles about the territorial evolution of other places and there is more than enough content for an article about Africa's territorial evolution. – Treetoes023 (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 29 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, Wiki work on the heritage space

Dear Wikimedians,

It's my pleasure to invite you to the episode 29 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, Wiki work on the heritage space.

This episode is dedicated to understanding the place of wiki with regards to heritage, and how our collective approach could have a global impact on the heritage space among other things.

Guests include:

Iolanda Pensa - Founder & Manager, Italian cultural heritage on Wikipedia, the Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap projects
Sadik Shahadu - Communications manager, Wiki Loves Living Heritage
Susanna Ånäs - Partner liaison, Wiki Loves Living Heritage
Isaac Chabota Kanguya - Organizer, Wiki Loves Monuments 2023 Zambia

Date: 28th July 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 07:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Credibility bot

As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 18:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:1969 Libyan coup d'état#Requested move 7 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:1969 Libyan coup d'état#Requested move 7 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 16:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Witchcraft#RFC on Lede Section on Witchcraft

The article has sections on African cultures. There has been conflict around the meanings of the words "traditional" and "witchcraft". - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Kabo District

Does this pass inclusion criteria? Basically the draft author wrote 'it exists' and provided a reference. I'm a draft reviewer without expertise in this area and would appreciate your feedback. Many thanks. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 16:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:MENA#Requested move 12 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:MENA#Requested move 12 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Task force proposal

It may make sense to create an African cities task force, in collaboration with WikiProject Cities. According to geonames.org (which is a publicly editable source, and most likely has some duplicates), there are 509,779 settlements in Africa. I think a task force that could assist with the creation and improvement of African settlement entries would be useful. CROIX^talk 03:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Notability question about City People Awards in Nigeria

Hello, we've seen a few articles come up in Articles for Deletion (AfD), where a certain musical act has won or been nominated for a City People Entertainment Awards in Nigeria; can someone comment on the notability of these awards? Are they compared to the Grammy Awards or the American Music Awards, being the highest award for musical performers in the country? How well known are the awards in Nigeria or Africa? Feel free to comment here or ping my on my talk page. Thank you. Oaktree b (talk) 18:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Oaktree b, you could compare the award to iHeartRadio Music Awards or People's Choice Award. There are reliable sources that supports the award itself. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Chandesi#Requested move 25 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chandesi#Requested move 25 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 17:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Libyan civil war (2011)#Requested move 16 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Libyan civil war (2011)#Requested move 16 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Usernamekiran_(AWB) (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Battle of Khartoum (2023)#Requested move 21 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Battle of Khartoum (2023)#Requested move 21 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Witchcraft in Africa

Anybody here knowledgeable about Pre-Colonial African witchcraft? Or about the introduction of beliefs about witchcraft in colonial times? Head on over to Witchcraft in Africa. They desperately need your help! Skyerise (talk) 23:41, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Fall of the Derg

An article which may be of interest to members of this project—Fall of the Derg—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. XTheBedrockX (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 30 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Echoes from Wikimania 2023

Fellow Wikimedians,

It's my pleasure to invite you to the episode 30 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, "Echoes from Wikimania 2023."

This episode is aimed at engaging some Wikimedians who attended the in-person Wikimania in Singapore, as they share their experiences through out the conference and make possible recommendations on how best we could support first-time attendees of various Wikimedia conferences.

Guests include:

Pellagia Njau - Member, Wikimedia Community User Group Tanzania
Carol Mwaura - Co-founder, Wikimedia Community User Group Kenya

Date: 8th September 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 13:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Inclusive representation

Updating the demographic representation of the people of ekiti south west local government people of ekiti state, south west nigeria. 2600:1700:D200:D60:E18D:6549:68E2:BC64 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Are these sources enough for an article?

I wish to create White slaves of Molepolole are these sources enough to create an article. (PDF) "THE WHITE SLAVES OF MOLEPOLOLE" -BLACK PERIL TALES AND THE AMBIGUITIES OF RACIAL AUTHORITY IN COLONIAL BOTSWANA by JEFF RAMSAY 1 (researchgate.net) , The Jazz King (11): Sebele's "White Slaves" :: Mmegi Online , Historical Dictionary of Botswana - Google Books Dwanyewest (talk) 22:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Dwanyewest - On the whole I would say not. First, the issue itself could be covered in the history section of Molepolole and that even before having an article on this issue, an WP:OKFORK would be more appropriate with History of Molepolole. Second, in terms of the sources, researchgate.net is considered generally unreliable (see WP:RSP), material there is self-published; Mmegi Online I cannot access the full article, so difficult to comment. In terms of the Historical Dictionary, that is a reliable source, but the entry is very small and implies that these were exaggerations, press reporting for the purposes of reinforcing white supremacy and white (British) rule. My understanding of this issue is that essentially the descendents of Boer settlers were intermixing with local populations and that colonial authorities were "concerned" there was too much equality. Nevertheless, a redirect to History of Molepolole probably could be justified once that article appeared covering this issue. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Africa:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 31 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled Wiki Loves Africa 2023: Meet the winners

Fellow Wikimedians,

It's my pleasure to invite you to the episode 31 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, "Wiki Loves Africa 2023: Meet the winners."

This episode is dedicated to celebrating the 2023 winners of the Wiki Loves Africa International media contest as they share their creative journey as Africans leading up to the point of winning Wiki Loves Africa 2023 international prizes. We also will learn from the jury what the selection process entailed.

Guests include:

Sani Maikatanga - 1st prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Mohamed Nasr - 2nd prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Mohamed Osman - 3rd prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Abdullahi Tanimu Abubakar - Best audio prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Green Wilfred Somoni - Best video prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Alamin Mohammed - Africa Environment video prize winner, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Bouba Kam's - Representative for Africa Environment Special collection prize winners, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
Eric Chidom - Member, Wiki Loves Africa 2023 Int'l jury

Date: 29th September 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 10:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to episode 32 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, Echoes from the gender space

Dear Wikimedians,

It's my pleasure to invite you to the episode 32 of WikiAfrica Hour titled, Echoes from the gender space.

This episode is aimed at highlighting how the #SheSaid campaign has fared over the years, how it is impacting the gender space and the community, and the experience of a WikiWomenCamp 2023 scholar at the just concluded conference.

Guests include:

Johnson Sewedo - Co-founder, Wikimedians of Lagos User Group
Florence Devouard - Co-founder, Wiki In Africa
Stella Agbley - Scholar, WikiWomenCamp 2023

Date: 27th October 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft

Ceslause (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Rwanda

User:buidhe has nominated Rwanda for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Remove the Zouar Airport Article

The Zouar Airport article, linked here (Zouar Airport), unfortunately does not exist. When searched on Google Maps, no results appear. When you click any of the references, they do not work. One links to a non-existent page on Landings.com and one links to random coordinates on Google Maps. I recommend removing this article to not risk misinforming people. It also does not meet the Wikipedia article criteria 2604:2D80:C02B:0:C8E5:6A2C:FB68:8B95 (talk) 00:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Early life of Jan Smuts

Early life of Jan Smuts has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 08:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present)#Requested move 9 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present)#Requested move 9 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Formal variety of English in Burundi?

Hi! I'm setting ENGVAR templates for articles related to African countries which use English as an official language. Normally I see "British English" but assume/use the tag is a proxy for the formal, standardized English used in that particular country (with the exception of Liberia, which has a US English tag, as it was colonized by Americans).

However I notice Burundi (previously colonized by Belgium, so no previous Anglophone influence) has an ENGVAR tag set for the United States, because the editor who had improved the article had used US English. I am not sure if this is closest to the formal standardized English used in Burundi? This government website uses MDY date format, but otherwise I'm not sure what is the best option in the case for Burundi... WhisperToMe (talk) 04:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Also I notice Talk:Zimbabwe states to use South African English (which isn't exactly the same as the formal English used in Zimbabwe). I checked the article history: at some point a user added a tag for UK English, then another changed it to SA English. I wonder which tag (UK or South Africa) is closest to the formal variety of English used in Zimbabwe? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

For "major" former British colonies that have a long tradition of Anglophonics (?) I've noticed most have their own English sub-variety standard such as South Africa and India. The application of language categories to other countries is a bit of a crapshoot. It might be worth researching what the Zimbabwean idea of high/proper English is (wonder what "napkin" means to them). From the standpoint of utility, there's no point in assigning a language variety to an article if there's not enough editors who understand how to write in that language. I always use British as a default for non-American stuff unless there's a good reason to, like the Liberia example. But that's just personal preference. As an American I assume most people with formal educations in areas outside of the US learn British English and not American English. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:National Public Health Laboratory#Requested move 19 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:National Public Health Laboratory#Requested move 19 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Empire of Great Fulo#Requested move 4 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Empire of Great Fulo#Requested move 4 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Western Saharan clashes (2020–present)#Requested move 6 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Western Saharan clashes (2020–present)#Requested move 6 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Lolekek (talk) 05:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

v t e List of hospitals in Africa
Sovereign states	Algeria Angola Benin Botswana Burkina Faso Burundi Cameroon Cape Verde Central African Republic Chad Comoros Democratic Republic of the Congo Republic of the Congo Djibouti Egypt Equatorial Guinea Eritrea Eswatini Ethiopia Gabon The Gambia Ghana Guinea Guinea-Bissau Ivory Coast Kenya Lesotho Liberia Libya Madagascar Malawi Mali Mauritania Mauritius Morocco Mozambique Namibia Niger Nigeria Rwanda São Tomé and Príncipe Senegal Seychelles Sierra Leone Somalia South Africa South Sudan Sudan Tanzania Togo Tunisia Uganda Zambia Zimbabwe
States with limited recognition	Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic Somaliland
Dependencies and other territories	Canary Islands / Ceuta / Melilla (Spain) Madeira (Portugal) Mayotte / Réunion (France) Saint Helena / Ascension Island / Tristan da Cunha (United Kingdom)