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Interwiki links

Hello Reckless. I just stumbled upon some Swedish biographical articles you created late 2008. If you create articles on subjects which already exists in Swedish Wikipedia, please remember to add Interwiki links between the articles! In the case you just create a stub, this makes it a lot easier for other people to expand it. But do keep up the good work of adding articles! Regards, Tomas e (talk) 11:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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Malmö FF

Hello Reckless, I saw your request for reassessment of Malmö FF. I'd probably be willing to reassess it from Start-class to C-class. However, an issue with the article is the lack of references, see Wikipedia:Citing sources, so there might be some editors who would object to C-class. If it was properly referenced, there would be a choice between C-class and B-class. Tomas e (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Reverted good faith edit

Happy New Year, i have reverted one of you edits to the article List of Swedish football transfers winter 2009–10 as Svenskafans.com is not a reliable source, Svenskafans itself links to other sites and even sometimes not bother to add any form of source and cant there for be a reliable source, however you can use the sources that Svenskafans uses aslong as they fall under WP:VERIFY. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 16:03, 01 January 2010 (UTC)

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Malmö FF assessment

Hello- I noticed you have been waiting for a while for a fresh assessment for Malmö FF (I'm waiting too, for Håkan Andersson (ice hockey)).

I looked it over briefly and one thing I noticed is the use of numbers such as 15.500. I wondered about this and found Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Decimal_points and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Large_numbers basically say decimals should be used for fractional numbers and commas to break number sequences every three numbers. It appears right now the article uses decimals and commas interchangeably to break large numbers into sections.

Also, there are some general grammar issues such as "The stadium still exist today" which should be "The stadium still exists today" and "The club colours has not always been sky blue" which should be "The club colours have not always been sky blue". Additionally I found one instance of the word "colors" when everywhere else it is spelled "colours" (either is correct but usage must be consistent). I do not consider myself an assessor but I think these are the kind of things that would need to be addressed for the article to move higher than B-class. From what I've seen, once you start trying for Good Article and up, they get really picky. In any case, I think it's a great article, you've done a great job, keep it up and good luck with it. Rejectwater (talk) 16:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Michael Andersson (footballer)

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Peer review of Malmö FF

I'd be glad to. I should be able to do that today or tomorrow. Finetooth (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

The image licenses look fine to me now. I noticed a couple of new things while I was looking at the licenses. Page ranges and date ranges take en dashes instead of hyphens. I fixed them by running a script. I also noticed a couple of one-sentence paragraphs. Once in a while, a one-sentence orphan might be OK, but usually it's best to expand orphans or to merge them with other paragraphs to keep the article from seeming choppy. I think the "attendance average" sentence in the "Supporters" section, for example, could be merged with the paragraph above it. The stadium images look good, but moving things around has created a text sandwich between the two stadium images in the "Stadiums" section. That is another Manual of Style no-no, best avoided. I think you could stack them again on the left or right, and they would fit inside the section if you shortened the second caption to "Swedbank Stadion, home stadium since 2009" or something similar. Hope this helps. Finetooth (talk) 02:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
You are most welcome. Good luck at WP:GAN. Finetooth (talk) 23:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010

Your addition to Undercovers (TV series) has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Episode summaries copied word-for-word from press releases http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/undercovers/listings/ Logical Fuzz (talk) 10:23, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Copa del Sol

Sorry, should've cited. See [1]. Other Norwegian clubs and Norwegian newspapers show the same fixtures, so I'm pretty sure it's correct. :-) Weirdly, copadelsol.org has nothing at all. – Pladask (talk) 19:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

About the season to season template

Thanks for the feedback although I must confess that it is a little disheartening.

I am trying to provide some better coverage for middle and lower tier clubs in Sweden and Finland - the existing standard being generally very poor indeed or non-existent

I made the decision at the outset not to include the template on Allsvenskan club pages. However I feel that your horizontal time-line could work well for such higher tier clubs. With time my season to season template for middle and lower tier clubs may need to be minaturised or placed on a separate page. You will note that season to season templates are provided for clubs in the middle and lower divisions of the Spanish football league system.

There is no hiding from the fact that there is no substitute for a well researched historical section but the preparation of such sections (and I have prepared a few) take an awful lot of time and patience. The role that I have taken on is to provide a presence for middle and lower tier clubs. Something that the club officials or supporters themselves can build on and develop with time. I have tried to provide reasonable standard work but acknowledge that there is always room for improvement.

An area where I would like to develop my skills is the conversion of league tables from the following format ([[2]]) into this format ([[3]]). Do you know of any tools / guides?

Thanks Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 10:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)).


If we use the Spanish football league system as our benchmark you will see that a number of teams playing in La Liga have their own Season to Season section. They include many high profile clubs (but not the highest!). The Spanish second tier (Segunda División) all have Season to Season sections. Thanks for the response on league tables.

Thanks Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 13:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC))

Yago Fernández - Reply

Hi there RECKLESS, VASCO from Portugal,

I am terribly sorry for my manners in the edit summaries, and i apologize for that. Here's "my defense" now:

I think infoboxes should be compressed - as i have explained (although without manners) in my last edit summary - and there is no need for Malmö FF in the box, there is ONLY ONE club named that way in professional football, anyone consulting this (or another) player's page will now he played for the Swedish team Malmö; again, if you notice, the other teams in Yago's article are also compressed.

Again, sorry for any incovenience, keep up the good work, happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

  • There is no consensus, but the discussions have been endless. Some say compression in text and box, others (like me) compression in box, full name in story, and some German users have come up with the idea that the box is the most important thing for the viewer, so German clubs have to be in full EVEN in box (!), a mess...I don't know what's the big deal in this case, as we have MALMÖ FF (your choice) in the storyline, just MALMÖ in box (it suffices very well as information). Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
  • OK i accept MALMO FF in box, you made a good point. Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Article Syrianska FC

Hey, i saw you contributed to the Syrianska FC article, but i have a question. The current Home colors in the infobox are the old one and i dont know how to change them to the new. If you are able to change it, i would be very thankful. I can post a link to a picture so you can see the new shirt. http://www.syrianskafc.com/Default/tabid/61/Id/824546da-589c-44ec-9411-15e5b0aea6aa/Ahmet-Ozdemirok-%22detta-ar-bara-borjan-pa-nagot-riktigt-stort%22.aspx It is 3 stripes instead of 7 stripes in the new one. Thank you, SYRIANIEN (talk) 13:26, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, it looks perfect now! I will continue contributing to the article! SYRIANIEN (talk) 10:50, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, is it possible to add the text "SURYOYE" in the middle of kit? Check the link i sent you earlier. Yeah i just noticed it is a Good Article. Cool :D SYRIANIEN (talk) 10:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Well im not really sure, i dont know it "SURYOYE" is any form of sponsor, but the club are known as Suryoye and also the people. But i dont know if it is any sponsor behind it. I think that maybe it was a few persons who paid to get the "SURYOYE" text on the kit, because the club are known as "SURYOYE" SYRIANIEN (talk) 11:06, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Is it okay if i also put the Clublogo on the kit? a little small clublogo SYRIANIEN (talk) 19:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, i added som new sections into the article. I dont know if my english was good, but it would be nice if you could check it and fix it. English is my third language :p SYRIANIEN (talk) 22:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, ive done everything! :) SYRIANIEN (talk) 22:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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You added the assertion that "These four images are a visual illustration of older logos of the Swedish football club Malmö FF. They provide a valuable addition to the article in question." Could you please explain this? In pretty much any other article, I would remove a gallery of four historical logos on sight. This just feels entirely decorative- why are these logos themselves significant? J Milburn (talk) 18:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
With all due respect, you're just making assertions here. Yes, there is a general consensus that a single non-free logo is fine to lead an article on the organisation represented by the logo- this does not extend to historical logos. Unless the design of those logos is in itself significant to the subject of the article (and you have the reliable sources to prove it) you don't really have a leg to stand on. J Milburn (talk) 18:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
The rationale claims it is being used specifically to illustrate the evolution of the crest, and it is used in a section about the crest. I haven't looked closely, but it's hardly as blantant as this case. Either way, even if that image was problematic, it wouldn't suddenly stop this one from being so. J Milburn (talk) 18:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Adding words to a rationale does not fix a problem. Forget the rationale. Talk to me- why does the reader need to see these four images? J Milburn (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
It's not my job to say why the images shouldn't be in the article- I've already said I can't see why they should be. We'll go with your claim that "The inages explain the evolution of the club crest in much better way than a simple text description does"- where is this sourced discussion of the evolution of the club crest? If it's that important... J Milburn (talk) 19:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
The image should be deleted if it does not meet the non-free content criteria. No other reason is needed. It would be good if we could get this sorted, but, instead, we're bouncing all over the shop, talking about things that aren't really important. To repeat- We'll go with your claim that "The inages explain the evolution of the club crest in much better way than a simple text description does"- where is this sourced discussion of the evolution of the club crest? J Milburn (talk) 20:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Look, we're really not getting anywhere here. Could you please just answer my question? Repeated assertions that an image meets the NFCC does not suddenly make it so. J Milburn (talk) 23:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
NFCC#8. You've still not provided any explanation beyond a vague handwave at how "The inages explain the evolution of the club crest in much better way than a simple text description does"- where is this sourced discussion of the evolution of the club crest? If it's so important that readers see this evolution, it should be discussed... J Milburn (talk) 08:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding. I have deleted the image. J Milburn (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Malmo FF season results table headings and hyphen

I've just systematically gone through all the hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes in the article. I've removed one hyphen (although it wasn't strictly speaking incorrect anyway) and the only outstanding anomaly is the hyphen in "Super-cupen" at the top of the season results table.

I assume the hyphen and the breaking space that follows it are to allow/force the rendered page to move "cupen" onto the next line (which works as intended here). However - is this necessary? What happens on limited-width screens if the hyphen and breaking space are removed? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

FAC

Good work on the speedy responses. I have added a couple more comments to the talk page. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of JMS Mediasystem

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Re: Swedish football champions

I've left comments on the list's talk page. The IP's comments about a lack of Allsvenskan detail between 1982 and 1992 is also a fair one, although I'm not quite sure how you would go about dealing with that. Regads, —WFC— 13:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! Your tireless work on Malmö FF has finally payed off, great work! Tooga - BØRK! 15:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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Yago Fernández

Hi there RECKLESS, VASCO here,

Once again, my sincere apologies for my stupid summary in this player's article. I am bi-polar, and i am not kidding with you, am trying very hard not to let that stuff get me at WP, but it's been very difficult.

Why did i react that way i did? First of all, the edit was anonymous, so i did not know it was you (not saying that it's OK to insult anon users), and it was written in a very non-encyclopedical manner ("After winning the league title together with his new teammates in Malmö FF" - of course he won the title with his (new)mates, not alone), and i reacted poorly. Most anon users tend to come here and write stuff like they are talking in a bar with their friends, not your case i know, and my reaction was horrible, my apologies, it's the only thing i can offer as an excuse, my behaviour is unacceptable overall.

Also, why did you accuse me of hiding behind an anonymous address instead of my account to insult you when you also contributed in Yago's article in the same manner? If i was not answering your message right now, admitting my errors and my personality problems, then i guess you could say i "hide like a coward", not like this i think! Also, you say "This is the second time that you have insulted me like this...", second? The first time, i said that the article was in horrible condition, not an insult at the editor i believe (but again, i admit, a poor summary on my part).

All in all, sorry for any inconvenience, keep up the good work - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your quick and kind reply mate! I apologize for saying you edited anon in YF's article, but your first comments misled me. Regarding your question, i sometimes edit with the anon account for two reasons: 1 - sometimes i have an idea, or ideas, and don't want to waste time logging in, just to avoid forgetting it; 2 - since my anonymous address is standard (meaning it never changes, unlike in some other computers), i am easily traced, and since i have nothing to hide...

Hope that settles the matters, keep up the good work and again sorry for any inconvenience... :) - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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2011 Allsvenskan

Hi Reckless! I've been thinking about what should be included in the 2011 Allsvenskan. Currently there are plenty of tables and stats, but not a lot of prose. Here are some of my suggestions:

  • Pre-season
  • Late start compared to last season, 4 April
  • Some sort of timeline that sums up every five rounds or so?
  • List of referees?
  • Notable talents making their debut?
  • Awards?

While I probably could find sources for all of this and write it, I would like some feedback first. What do you think? Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 23:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! I agree about adding referees in the main Allsvenskan article instead. However, changes in the staff (and I'm not sure that there are any this season) could be added to the season article. The seven first referees in the list you provided should be notable enough, especially considering their FIFA-licenses.
Unfortunately, I've rarely seen awards like player/coach or the month outside newspapers, but maybe this summary from the end of the last season, could be good enough? (http://svenskfotboll.se/allsvenskan/tidigare-ar/resultat-2010/) An elaborate season statistics section is a great idea, and it's something we really should add when the season ends. You're also correct on the difficulty in deciding a citeria for young talents, and as you suggest, that might as well be left to the club specific articles. I'll begin looking for sources for the pre-season and the lead tomorrow. Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 01:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me for my late reply. Great work on the referees, I think your draft pretty much sums it up. But how about an image on one of the referees? Stefan Thylin regularly writes his opinions on svenskfotboll.se, so you're quite right that team might just be his team of the year. But this could be noted in the article that it the team of the year by him, as a representative of the Association. I've never seen a team of the year being featured on fotbollsgalan though. Finding sources for the pre-season that talked about all teams were harder than I thought, but I'll make a more throughout search on fotbolldirekt.se.
Regarding the Svenska Cupen finals, the only source I can think of is Bolletinen (See: http://www.bolletinen.se/), but they only list date, teams, result and attendance. There seems to be no such information online, but there should be some kind match reports in Swedish football literature. Unfortunately, User:Johan Elisson, who has a lot of this kind of literature is no longer active... Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 23:24, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi again. I've written a draft for a pre-season section, however there wasn't much I could find except your link. I included a sentence about transfers, but I'm not sure about the dates for the winter transfer window. Have a look: User:Tooga/sandbox2 Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 10:52, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I've added the Pre-season section to the article now, as a subheading to the Teams-section. Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 23:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I can't think of anything to add right now, though. Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 13:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Great work on creating the manager articles! Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 23:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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Ethnic descent in bios

Hi Reckless182, just to inform you that I did this because of this: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#.22of_X_descent.22. Now, if you see I actually agree with you, but I had to agree that the lead is not the place for it. What now? FkpCascais (talk) 21:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, the main problem is WP:OPENPARA that in the point 3.2 clearly indicates that is wrong, and we can´t argue that is relevant to the notability, since he is notable for being a footballer... Another important aspect is that the user that opened the tread at footy discussion, User:Thumperward is actually an administrator. You are putting me in a delicate situation now, because you failed to participate in the discussion and defend your views on the issue (you still can, or you can open a new tread if you want) but you revert me when I was basically doing what was agreed by consensus and what the policies seem to defend. I am tempted to agree with you because until that discussion I also considered the inclusion of ethnicity in the lede informative and also as a compromise for nationality clarifications that often included edit warring between many editors in several cases, so the clear and complete indication in the lead many times contributed possitively for those cases. However, it does seem to be contrary to the principle mentioned by me earlier, and an admin making the case for it at footy discussion with reached consensus further provide reasons for not tolerating it. We (you) should really seek some better and more definitive solution for this problem than just I would like to have it... See my point? FkpCascais (talk) 23:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I´ll have to leave now for work, but I´ll just respond you this before returning later today: what I basically told you, and touth about using as strong argument for "our case" is that when we have all data correctly inserted in the lede, exemple, "Turkish- born Swedish footballer of Kurdish descent", we basically solve all the edit warring that may happend between the 3 nationalities involved in this case. If we simplify it to any of them, the editors of the other two nationalities will inevitably try to revert or insert their ethnicity somehow in it, many times by edit warring. But this argument seems to not have convinced much, but trouth be said, I said this in some earlier related discussion on this, and not so clearly in this last one.
It is interesting to see that you and me, in oposition to many other mostly anglo-saxon editors, have much more cases of these in "our hands" and we have much more experience in editing this polemical biographies, speacially because in both areas we have many mixed nationalities, both in Sweden and in Serbia/ex-Yugoslavia. For me personally finding the "perfect formula" for each case has been miracolous in stoping edit warring in those articles, and I doubt that being strict over that rule and putting just 1 nationality will solve the issue, but it will rather even complicate more things. Like this exemple where we begin our discussion, I have also done many basic biographies, but in some of them I have made the needed changes of putting one nationality in the lede, and created sections for some further ethnic background in the text. Thumperward said something that I personally think that he is wrong, and that is when he said that visitors and editors of the article mostly dont care about those ethnicities, but from what I see, most editors and IP´s actually edit the article exactly because they belong to some of those ethnicities mentioned in any specific article. Said this, I´ll leave you with the touth that you will basically need to either discuss on footy your vies on this and try to see if we can see some way of solving this, or we really need to go trough what was basically agreed there. Let me know what you decided. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 07:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Yes, sourcing is definitely needed here, as collecting the material from own sources and putting it into articles constitutes original research (take a particular look at WP:SYN). As for the streaks, there are various sites over the net which could provide the data. It is a totally different thing with the "highest/lowest gates" parameters though. The optimal solution for all parameters, of course, would be a source similar to this one for the English Premier League; I doubt that there might be such a reference for the Allsvenskan. Hope this helps, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 16:44, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Yup, Soccerstats should do. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 20:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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regarding this message you sent to this "user" (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Blgeoverlord#Ivo_Pekalski), i tell you this is not the first time he has engaged in such behaviour, replacing referenced and neutral info with his poetic rubbish (in Manuel Agudo Durán, i remember he wrote something like "...dribbles like Andrés Iniesta..." and "...is much of a family man...", etc, etc).

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I have now finished and published the article on swwp, see sv:Malmö FF. Now I only have to fix all the red links. --Fredde (talk) 18:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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In case i fail to get in touch with this compatriot of yours, please have a look at this message i sent him (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:78.70.223.237#Christian_Wilhelmsson), and try to mediate if you can, as i see you have already managed to converse with him in a polite manner. Pretty bizarre hey?

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Using a program called Inkscape, I make new line-up graphics by taking an old one, changing the kit colours if necessary and moving the players around a bit. Easy peasy. – PeeJay 00:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Deleted Infobox

The infobox is an essential navigation device between divisions - please do not delete (it is very unkind of you given my work undertaken on Swedish football) but place on the page in an alternative location if considered unnecessary.

I appreciate that you have undertaken tremendous work on your sections

(Finnish Gas 16:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)).

You must realize that the infobox has nothing to do in the league table section. Placing the infobox under the primary infobox before the lead at the top of the article is fine, you have done this for Svenska Cupen and Division 1 articles as well as for next years Allsvenskan and Superettan, why not do the same for 2011? I realize the huge amount of time you have put down for this and appreciate it. However, I think you have to research notability for some of the articles that you have created to avoid them being nominated for deletion. For example I question the notability for any season article for divisions lower than Division 1, I could stretch it to Division 3 since that is under the management of the Swedish FA, but season for articles for Division 4 and 5 should not be created in my opinion, I'm not going to nominate them for deletion but I wouldn't object if someone did. I think notability here should focus on professional sport leagues, no teams below Division 1 are professional, these are amateur leagues, there is no need for season articles for these. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
This is what Wikipedia:Notability (sports) says on the subject:

Individual seasons

Articles can be created on individual seasons of teams in top professional leagues, as these articles almost always meet the notability requirements.

Team season articles should consist mainly of well-sourced prose, not just statistics and lists of players. Wikipedia is not a stats directory. It is strongly recommended that those articles be redirected to the team page if no sourced prose can be created.

For college sports teams, weigh both the season itself and the sport (for example, if a US collegiate American football team and a US collegiate fencing team enjoy the same level of success, the football team is likely to receive a significantly greater amount of coverage):

A national championship season at the top collegiate level is generally notable. A national championship season at a lower collegiate level might be notable A season including a post-season appearance (or, if there is no post-season competition, a high final ranking) in the top collegiate level is often notable. For programs considered elite in a sport (e.g., Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, in men's basketball; Tennessee and UConn in women's basketball; Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, USC in football, etc.) many or all seasons might be notable regardless of the outcome (the amount written by reliable sources on a weekly basis for some of these programs is enough that almost anything or anyone having any relation to them is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline). In cases where the individual season notability is insufficient for an article, multiple seasons may be grouped together in a single article. This grouping might be based on head coaches, conference affiliation, or any other reasonable standard that results in sufficient coverage for the period to warrant an article.

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I have placed the infobox below the primary infobox as you suggested above. In my view it looked better below the map as previously shown before your deletion.

Thanks for the comments on notability - this is an issue that I have experience with in English non-league. If a club has taken part at some time in the national cup competition (in Sweden's case the Svenska Cup) the club is notable. The lower divisions (4 and 5) of the Swedish League includes former Allsvenskan‎ clubs and many many notable clubs (with historic Svenska Cup entries). The divisions themselves are therefore clearly notable reflecting the numerous notable clubs they contain.

The bottom line is that together in our own way we are making a big difference to Swedish football on Wikipedia - it is much better to work in harmony and not start deleting good work.

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Allsvenskan league tables

Well done!

Just a quick word to say how brilliant the Allsvenskan league tables now look. It is also great to see proper colour coding introduced.

Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 11:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)).

Haha, thanks for the beer! I still have 1996-2004 left to fix. I might upgrade the Superettan tables as well. Infoboxes and lead sections still needs to be added to as well as maps but its starting to look a lot better. I have some thoughts regarding the years between 1982 and 1992, what do you think about the play-offs and mästerskapsserien, these all have seperate articles as of now, should we merge these with the allsvenskan season articles? It might be better to have everything in one place, play-offs and mästerskapsserien articles are very small and wouldn't take up too much space. Whats your opinion? --Reckless182 (talk) 12:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It looks much improved from my version. I would suggest that it would be better to have everything in one place in terms of the play-offs and mästerskapsserien articles. In addition the attendance section could easily be transferred from Swedish Wikipedia. The only thing that we need to look out for is to put one or two standard references with the text in order to avoid the "no references" tag. Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 16:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)).

Allsvenskan 2012

Hi mate, is it better to give the exact reference to the date of relegation play-offs? --81.109.153.239 (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

It hasn't been done before, the future match reports are references enough. But I get your point, maybe we you can add a sentence somewhere and use this pdf as a reference? --Reckless182 (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I think it's better to add, and reference should be quoted for the fixture in the article 2012_Malmö_FF_season aswell.--81.109.153.239 (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
You are free to add the reference to the Allsvenskan article in a suitable spot. However, it's not WP norm/praxis to add references to fixtures in a club season article, check out 2011-12 FC Barcelona season and 2011-12 A.C. Milan season for examples. Cheers! --Reckless182 (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
The reference to the 2012 Allsvenskan from 2012 Malmö FF season is reference enough for the fixture as long as a reference is linked for the fixtures from the 2012 Allsvenskan article. --Reckless182 (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

listas and defaultsort

FYI... Listas and DEFAULTSORT only accepts the "standard" 26 letter latin alphabet. It can't handle Ǿ, Ö or other letters with umlauts, ogonek, tildas, etc. Also, it looks like you have been using a template for talk pages because you have been adding another name for the listas value. I'd give you a hard time about that, but I'm guilty of doing that too. Bgwhite (talk) 07:33, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Yes I'm aware of that, So sorry for forgetting that detail and screwing up the listas. Thanks a lot for fixing it! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm bugging you again about it as you have been doing it for the past couple of days. Better watch out or I'll send my wife after you as she does a wonderful job of nitpicking nagging loving me. Bgwhite (talk) 06:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
This is true for defaultsort and listas, but in {{Persondata}} it's perfectly fine to use diacritics. Jared Preston (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Simon Hollyhead

Re. Simon Hollyhead, I wasn't making any claim about whether or not he was notable. I only said that BLPPROD was not appropriate. BLPPROD does not apply if there is any source at all in the article, even if the source is unreliable or formatted as an external link, as is the case here. It would certainly be reasonable to PROD the article for other reasons (e.g. Hollyhead is not notable) or to take it to AfD for discussion. Best, Sparthorse (talk) 19:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Malmö FF in Europe

All done! Great list. Have done a bit of work to push it over the line in terms of quality and meeting of criteria, should now be no problems. Keep up the good work. —Cliftonian (talk) 01:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for a quick yet brilliant copyedit by you! I'm hoping to improve more lists concerning Malmö FF. Thanks a lot! --Reckless182 (talk) 01:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Anytime china, always glad to help. Keep it up! :) —Cliftonian (talk) 01:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm planning to look at the list tomorrow. Keep an eye on FLC during the day, as I should be able to do a complete review. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks man! --Reckless182 (talk) 19:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Erik Friberg

Hey, mate! I just have a question! Why do you want the full club name in the infobox, in the article about Erik Friberg? For example, in the article about Lionel Messi is it "Barcelona" and not "FC Barcelona". And in the article about Cristiano Ronaldo is it "Real Madrid" and "Manchester United" and not "Real Madrid C.F." and "Manchester United F.C." // 78.70.223.237 (talk) 17:44, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, After some discussion, me, Johan Elisson and Finnish Gas are in the process of changing the fb team templates for the Swedish teams to include the full club names, we concluded that the full club name should be used in tables and statistics while the club name could be shortened in prose. See User_talk:Johan_Elisson#Fb_team_templates. This is for Swedish club names, for other club names we should refer to the name used in the fb team templates. I hope you understand our reasoning behind this. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) "F.C." and "C.F." each just mean "Football Club", so including it is superfluous, unless it serves to disambiguate as part of the club's name (for example Seattle Sounders FC—to differentiate from other clubs called Seattle Sounders—F.C. Halifax Town rather than Halifax Town, AFC Wimbledon rather than Wimbledon – I could go on). To call the club "Real Madrid" or "Manchester United" is not to abbreviate it; to call AFC Wimbledon "Wimbledon", on the other hand, would be perhaps be acceptable as an abbreviation but not as an explicit initial reference. I am sorry if this is a little confusing; I am trying to be as clear as I can.
Scandinavian clubs are generally named in full in Anglophone media. Let's look at some news stories like this, this or this. In each the Scandinavian club is named in full with its prefix or suffix intact. That's why we do the same in the infoboxes on Wikipedia. —Cliftonian (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the input! I think its perfectly clear. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Nickname

It did say "Suryoye (Arameans)" in the first line, which implies that the whole thing would be a nickname, which would be very strange. They sure have "Suryoye" on their shirts to show that they are Syriacs, and it would be the same if the article said "the Syriacs...", which is again makes it something else than a nickname for the club. Have you ever seen the "Suryoye (Arameans)" instead of Syrianska FC/SFC in any newspaper? Or heard it on TV? Well probably no, because it's not the nickname of the club. Secondly, I can't see why you called it vandalism, see WP:Vandalism please. And the re-add of the cathegory was strange too? About Saleh, just read that his loan was just over 2011, my bad. Shmayo (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Just saw your second edit, if you think "Suryoye" would be good as a listed nickname, then why add the other in brackets? Shmayo (talk) 00:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Again, it means "Syriacs" and is added in the article only for political reason (in the "Suryoye (Arameans)") way. Any place you can find where the club is actually called that? Would be like if Dalkurd's nickname was "kurder"? Shmayo (talk) 00:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
As I don't have any previous knowledge regarding the term I wouldn't know, however, the fact that club finds it neceassary to use the entire term including (Arameans) on their official website tells me that they find important. Since the club's own website clearly is a reliable source in this case it is enough to establish the importance of adding (Arameans). There have been many disputes in the article in the past regarding the term, therefore I have informed Wikipedia:Football of the dispute on their talk page, hopefully we will see some suggestions as how to solve the problems by other editors. You clearly have a position on this as you have been involved in edit wars regarding the term in the past so it is possible that you are not seeing things objectively. --Reckless182 (talk) 00:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I do understand what you mean with "the official website is a reliable source", and of course it is that way, but what I mean is that it really doesn't say that "Suryoye (Arameans)" would be any nickname for the club Syrianska FC? If Malmö FF once wrote "Med NN tillbaka från skada, ställde skåningarna (politiskt tillägg i parantes) upp med 4-4-2" Would "skåningarna (...)" be a nickname for the club you think? The article Malmö FF got this opening "Malmö Fotbollförening, also known simply as Malmö FF,...", the same should should go for Syrianska FC. And you added the cat again. It clearly says on that cat-page that "This category is for the ancient people.". Shmayo (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The category is definitely misplaced, I'll give you that. I think it is fairly obvious that the team is called "Suryoye" looking at different sources and the fact that the club was actually founded as "Suryoyo SK". Adding (Arameans) to the term might be stretching it but should still be important considering the clubs mentioning of it. The term itself is without a doubt involved in a bigger dispute regarding the translation of it into other languages. I'm hoping for constructive suggestion on WP:Football. --Reckless182 (talk) 00:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure they (haven't seen it anywhere else though) do mention "Suryoye" often, but as I told you it would be as if Dalkurd's website sometime wrote the Kurdish word for "Kurds" instead (Malmö FF = "skåningarna", maybe hard to compare, but still). Saw it here too, though without the "(Arameans)". My suggestion is to leave it out in the first line (just like Juventus' (and other football clubs like Milan, Roma, etc.) nicknames aren't mentioned in the first lines), but to leave "Suryoye" (note: without "Aramean", that is their free translation, which, as you said too, is to controversial) in the box. Shmayo (talk) 01:01, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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Adama Guira

Hi, please be more careful when updating player articles - on this one you removed valid information (playing position and all mention of DIF, as well as a reference) from the main body of the text. GiantSnowman 15:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for notifying me. It wasn't my intention to remove the reference. I'll be more careful in the future. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:17, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! GiantSnowman 15:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Christian Kouakou (footballer born 1995)

Reckless, could you take a look at this player. From Google Translate, I can't see where he has played a match on the senior team. But, I wanted to double check with you and see you work your voodoo. Bgwhite (talk) 06:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

He played one match for AIK in the 2011 Allsvenskan according to the Swedish FA, see this. The Swedish FA are very thorough with updating player stats so this is trustworthy. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 18:38, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Glad to help! --Reckless182 (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Help

Can you please help me with creating articles to notable players in Allsvenskan? I have already fixed that in the articles about Helsingborg, AIK, Elfsborg, GAIS and IFK Göteborg. // Mattias321 (talk) 11:40, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll help you later today/tonight! --Reckless182 (talk) 12:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! //78.70.223.237 (talk) 13:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Sources

Hey, here are the sources! [4] and [5] for current U19 players. [6], [7] and [8] for current U17 players. [9] for earlier U19/U17 teams and [10] for U21 players.

(NOTE: Matches until 31 July for "P17-players" counts as U17 matches and from 1 August the matches counts as U19) // Mattias321 (talk) 17:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

PROD and AfD

Hi Reckless. I just want inform you that if a PROD note on an article is removed, then the next step to deletion is through WP:AFD. See: Wikipedia:PROD#Objecting. Great work cleaning up everything related to Swedish football by the way. Cheers Tooga - BØRK! 18:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

My mistake, thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 18:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Well done on all of the Swedish football articles, particularly the Malmo FF ones. Keep up the good work! —Cliftonian (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks man! I will, working on List of Malmö FF seasons right now. Thanks for feedback and your help with the FLC. Reckless182 (talk) 16:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Be sure to tell me if/when you nominate it for FLC and I'll do all I can to help you there too. —Cliftonian (talk) 18:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
That's very kind of you, I will do so! Reckless182 (talk) 21:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Malmö FF line up prior to a match against FC Metalist Kharkiv

Malmö FF are a Swedish professional football club based in Malmö. The club play their home matches at Swedbank Stadion. Formed on 24 February 1910, the club have won sixteen national championship titles and fourteen national cup titles, making them the most successful club in Sweden in terms of total trophies won. Malmö FF have also won the top tier league, Allsvenskan, on three occasions when the title of Swedish champions was not decided by the outcome of that league. They were the runners-up in the 1978–79 European Cup final, which they lost 1–0 to English club Nottingham Forest. This feat makes them the only Scandinavian club to have made it to the final of the most prestigious club competition in European football, presently named the UEFA Champions League. The club are currently playing in Allsvenskan, where the season lasts from April to October in contrast to a majority of other European national football leagues where the season lasts from August to May the following year. The club first won Allsvenskan in 1944 and most recently for the club's centennial anniversary in 2010. Malmö FF were most successful during the 1970s, when they won five Swedish championships and four Svenska Cupen titles. (more...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! You deserve it. —Cliftonian (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm really excited. I've worked hard to get it to its current status. Do you think that the article needs 24 hour page protection for February 24? The page currently gets around 300 views per day, the main page gets around 4 million views per day so I bet that the probability of vandalism will be increased during the TFA. Can a request for this be done in advance or should I just wait for the day before requesting page protection? Thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 23:21, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The great collective "they" should handle it (24 hour protection) for you without you asking. They do it as part of standard procedure. However, if I were you I'd arrange to be able to keep an eye on your watchlist all day on the day. There will be lots of vandalism edits, but also quite a few good faith edits which actually take away from the article. It'll be a bit of a pain but be prepared to revert lots of good faith edits, especially if you have written anything controversial in there (which I doubt, seeing as how it's about a soccer team, but I thought I should mention it anyway). I'm happy to help or provide advice, as always. Well done again. —Cliftonian (talk) 00:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Alright! I'll be sure to keep an eye on it for the day. Thanks. --Reckless182 (talk) 00:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Edits by Reviewers

Thanks re. comments about the new navbox - it took me a while to find a solution. Some of my Finnish work got deleted last night so I had a rather big incentive!

It does lead on to further point as to whether a Reviewer with possibly little or no knowledge of the country in question should be able to assert their own interpretations and views so easily, particularly when editors like ourselves have developed our own "house-style" over a period of time.

Reviewers are advised "When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here." Why then was your 2012–13 Svenska Cupen page changed to this the other week?. In turn as an example my 2012 Suomen Cup page is now back to plain old 2012 Finnish Cup.

The point I am really making is whether our Swedish Task Force (and Finnish Task Force if I set one up) is in a position to oppose or take a stronger line against such indiscriminate changes?

Finally you will have noticed that I have been taking a little break from Swedish football but I will be back!! I have trying to upgrade Finnish football on WP - which is currently in a poor state. I have also produced a series of 15 articles on my home village - Lawshall (disambiguation) - quite a lot of pages for a parish of less than 900 people!

Kind regards (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 12:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi man. It's an interesting point that you bring up regarding the reviewers edits. I was a bit surprised regarding the edit you are referring to but I accepted it for the time being. However, I have significantly extended the article now as new information has emerged, I'm hoping that my edits stay the way they are. It's indeed a valid question to pose, the purpose of the taskforce should be to gather editors who have a special interest and knowledge about the subject at hand and use this to improve the articles and lists under the scope of the project. Any obvious mistakes should be corrected by the reviewers but I would support discussion regarding edits such as the one the reviewer made within the taskforce instead of swift action.
I'm impressed with your article on Lawshall! Efforts such as this makes me inspired to improve the article on the small village where I spend my summers, Arild. It's nice to work with another editor who has connections both with Scandinavia and the UK, I'm born in Sweden but I have lived in the UK for different periods of my life and I have English relatives. --Reckless182 (talk) 13:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your informed comments. In most cases Reviewers are unsung heroes who are doing a brilliant job behind the scenes. However, where the Reviewer's edit appears inappropriate, the most appropriate action in my opinion is to revert the change made by the Reviewer and politely ask him/her to discuss/justify the proposed change with the Task Force for their endorsement. I think this action on our part would be democratic but at at the same time reminds Reviewers that they cannot always act autocratically without having to justify their actions.
An article on Arild in the summer would probably do you good - I find it is easy to become very stale repeating similar WP tasks month after month. I am toying with the idea of doing in-depth articles on Jokela and Heinävesi, my bases in Finland, after my summer break.
I almost forgot - would you mind if I use the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Sweden task force basic template for setting up a Finland task force article? Is there any advice you would give in setting up a task force? Things that you would now do differently?
(Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 20:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)).
I agree with your opinion regarding the reviewers. A Finland task force is an excellent proposition, go ahead and use the basic template from the Sweden task force. I started by setting up a proposal here to determine if there was interest. I posted notices at the major talk pages relevant to Swedish football and to the talk pages of the most active editors when it comes to Swedish football. I believe that the Sweden task force still has a long way to go before working ideally, at the moment the editors are fairly independent. Perhaps a good idea for the Finland task force is to set up an early project for the task force to work on? Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:14, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 09:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)).

WikiProject Football Task forces

Hi. First of all many many congratulations for Malmö FF being Today's featured article. Well done!!!

I have decided to adopt a slightly different approach to launch Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Finland task force. Hardly anyone is making regular contributions to Finnish football - just three of us to be honest!

However I still think that it is worthwhile launching the task force if I can get a few people to sign up. In this respect I was wondering if it would be possible for you to add your name to the participants in an advisory (Nordic linkage) capacity. I have contacted 25 people but feel that Editors will only take the plunge if others are on the list.

In preparing the Project Page there are three elements that I feel could benefit the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Sweden task force and I will make a suitable submission on the Talk Page. They are basically:

1. Expansion of the To do list

Basic tasks

  • Review importance and quality of existing articles.
  • Identify articles for creation.
  • Identify articles for improvement.
  • Recruit interested Wikipedians.
  • Determine way forward for the task force.

More specific tasks

  • Establish unified titles for league and cup articles.
  • Find non-copyrighted pictures for articles covered by the task force.
  • Include appropriate categories and a suitable infobox in new articles.
  • Include a suitable navbox in league and cup articles.
  • Expand the lower divisions articles.
  • Provide comprehensive league tables back to 1924.
  • Keep current squads up to date.
  • Keep club managers and chairmen details up to date.
  • Ensure that the correct teams are included in the league articles, templates and list of football clubs for the start of each season.
  • Add references to unreferenced articles as appropriate.

Swedish sources

  • Add some dimension to the English language articles by visiting corresponding Swedish language articles and using the best material from them.
2. Provide an Information Resources Library

This would cover the best links etc.

Promote the Library to Editors as a means to increase membership and improve the quality of articles. SFS is an example - a wonderful resource but I only discovered it a few months ago!

3. Establish a proper Naming Convention for League and Cup articles

With reference to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) and Wikipedia:Article titles there are some problems at the moment e.g. Division 2 1952–53 - year should be first and consideration might be given to including Sweden/Swedish in the title.

I am trying to tackle this same issue in Finland at the Talk Page. Amazingly I have a debate going. If you are able to provide some comments within it - that would be brilliant. It has certainly made me think about the way Article Titles should be structured.

Just a few ideas! Malmö FF WP's featured article - an amazing achievement!!!

Kind regards - (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 14:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC)).

Thank you! It's been a long process but it was definitely worth it. Malmö FF actually observed the TFA as well and did a small interview with me as the main contributor to the article.
I'll sign up for the task force as an advisor. The points you bring up are very much relevant and in need of attention. Especially establishing a naming convention, we should work together and try to create a discussion somewhere. The debate you got going is a great start, I'll see if I can provide anything to the discussion. --Reckless182 (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
It has been a really big day for you - one to remember! Thanks for joining the group as an advisor and your comments - much appreciated! Pyhäinhäväistys (talk) has also joined. I will be in touch. (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 19:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC)).

Malmö FF

I saw an interview with you on mff.se, congratulations! And by the way, Malmö FF will probably be Featured on svwp tomorrow. One day too late, would have been perfect today. --Fredde (talk) 16:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it's been an eventful day! It's admirable how good the communication is between the club and the fans, I sent an email about the article being featured and received a phone call a couple of hours later where they wanted me to do a small interview. I'm glad to hear that the article will be featured on swp as well, you have done an excellent job with the translation! --Reckless182 (talk) 16:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Singular vs. plural

Hi Reckless, First of all congrats on today's featured article. Just wanted to tell you that the noun "club" in British English can be either singular or plural depending on what you want to say. If you see the club as a collection of individual players you use plural - "Malmö FF are a Swedish professional football club". If you look at the club as one thing you use singular - "Malmö FF is a Swedish professional football club".

In this article I suggest you use singular. I kindly ask you to please change all the words that are now reflecting plural form to reflect singular. My eyes bleed every time I read something like "Malmö FF are a Swedish professional football club", "The club play their home matches", "the club have won", "making them the most successful club in Sweden", "Malmö FF have also won", "This feat makes them the only Scandinavian club", "The club currently play in Allsvenskan" etc. All the above sentences are reflecting the team as a collection of individual players and not just as an entity. If you don't believe me, please look for an article about any British football club here on Wikipedia and you will see that the singular form is used all over where the noun "club" or the name of the club are used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idolmaster (talk • contribs) 22:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for writing to me here instead of changing the article without discussion as a few other editors have done. I decided on the current format after the first peer review of the article where this issue was discussed. The bottom line for my decision is that any Swedish news source would refer to the club to as a collection of individual players, thus "Malmö FF are a Swedish professional football club". Sincerely --Reckless182 (talk) 22:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Domestic association football league seasons by year

You have been very busy! All of this type of football page should also be including a reference to the Category:Domestic association football league seasons by year. Do you know how to get a bot to do this task? I have only recently discovered these category listings. Kind regards (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 13:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)).

Yup, I've been moving all seasons of "X Division Y" to "X Swedish football Division Y" to avoid confusion. I've also moved all seasons of "X Supercupen" to "X Svenska Supercupen" which is the more formal name of the cup to avoid confusion with other super cups. Alright, thanks for informing me about the category, I don't have any experience of bots, do you have any ideas? --Reckless182 (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I have no experience with bots either I am afraid. It would be useful to recruit someone to the Swedish task force that has an interest in bots / design solutions. I did make contact with a bloke called [Ralphmeister] on Swedish Wikipedia who was designing football tables (in Swedish). Shame he is not active at the moment. (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 18:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)).

A few thoughts

I like the navbox template for 2012 - clever stuff! An issue to consider is the title of the template (Template:2012 in Swedish football) as with reference to "Template:2012 in Norwegian football", this might be the title of a detailed template (with the club season articles) at the bottom of the page.

I would suggest using the title "Template:2012 football in Sweden" for the navbox. What do you think? (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 09:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)).

Good point, go ahead and change the title if you want to, I can create the more advanced template later today. In the lack of other Wiki things to do while waiting for my FLC to finish I think I might go ahead and create some missing seasons of Svenska Cupen as well later tonight. The two templates (below infobox and bottom navbox) will link together all the competitions very nicely. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Fine. I will convert all infoboxes to navbox templates that accord with MOS - it will take a little while. It would be great to see some additions to the Svenska Cupen seasons - people really do look at them, even the 1940s seasons. (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 10:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)).

Malmö FF seasons promoted to FL!

Congratulations!
Another featured list promotion! If Wikipedians were soccer teams, you certainly would be aptly described as "Real Malmö" at the moment. Keep up the good work. —Cliftonian (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot man! You've done a great deal to help me on the way! I think I've solved all of the issues at List of Malmö FF managers, including removing the WDL error. Would you take a look? Again, I really appreciate all your help! --Reckless182 (talk) 21:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I've had another quick look. It looks pretty good now: ready for FLC, I think. I'll be happy to give you a hand there too if you need it. —Cliftonian (talk) 22:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Yup, I'll just wait until the other FLC is closed. Thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 22:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Any time. And thanks for the really rather nice barnstar! I like it much better than my other ones. —Cliftonian (talk) 22:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
You deserve it! I've nominated the list of managers for FLC now, The list of seasons is listed at WP:FL and removed from WP:FLC so I think it can be considered closed. I'm not sure what's taking the bot so long to close the nom. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:57, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry about it boet, sometimes they just take a while to work... I'll certainly contribute to the managers FLC too at some point – I have no doubt you will have another success here too. —Cliftonian (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Swedbank Stadion

Gave this a thorough copy-edit today, brought the prose up to GA standard, and passed it. I reasoned it didn't constitute conflict of interest as all I did was rephrase your writing: all of the information, references and so forth were already there. Well done (again!), and keep it up. —Cliftonian (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man! Looks great. Just one minor error, Daniel, Patrik and Roy Andersson are all related. Roy is the father of Daniel and Patrik, a true football family, I'll fix that. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:55, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about that! I presumed it would have been already mentioned if they were related, after all I know Andersson is a very common Swedish name, like "Smith" in English... —Cliftonian (talk) 16:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, easy mistake to make! Thanks again! --Reckless182 (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
No problem. Talk soon. :) —Cliftonian (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
If you get the time to have a quick look, I have an FLC of my own going here that's been sitting idle for a while. —Cliftonian (talk) 03:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Gave this my support after reading it. Certainly fulfils the FL criteria. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Woo. —Cliftonian (talk) 10:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The proposed formation of a Finland task force

Hi. There is a current debate on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football that is taking an interesting turn. I personally would not have any qualms about becoming a Nordic task force but a this would impact on the Sweden task force. I will hold back on my response until you have had time to consider. (Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 13:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)).

Hey man. I suppose merging the two would attract more participators and encourage more activity in writing and improving other areas in Nordic football, for examples both Denmark and Norway lack a task force at the moment. The Swedish task force has eight members at present so it is still fairly small, I don't think the amount of participator for the Swedish task force will increase dramatically for the next couple of months so perhaps a Nordic task force is a good idea. I'll support the merger if you do! --Reckless182 (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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There was a discussion about the fb template system here and i just wanted to test out how deleting unused one would work. Were you still planning on using them? -Koppapa (talk) 22:00, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah i see, the 12 in the name is for 2012 and you wanna use it for the 2012 article. Well i'll remove the tag then. :-) -Koppapa (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, It's currently unused but will be in use when the league season starts in two weeks so I would be thankful if you remove them. Thanks. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. Apologies, I was running my deletions from database queries as opposed to CSD taggings. I'm done with the deletions now though, so if you give me the names of the templates that you would like to be restored, I would be happy to restore them for you. The Helpful One 22:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
No worries, as long as they are restored. Could you please restore all "fb Superettan12 X" templates, all "fb Division1 12 X", as well as all "fb SwedenW12 X". These will all be used in 2012 Superettan, 2012 Swedish football Division 1 and 2012 Damallsvenskan. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
While we're talking. Would you mind helping me with something? I manually moved Gamla Ullevi (2008) to Gamla Ullevi. The history is still left at the redirect page, could you perhaps move the history from the redirect page to the article? --Reckless182 (talk) 22:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I completed the history merge for Gamla Ullevi, I'll look through those templates and their respective talk pages tomorrow. The Helpful One 23:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks man! --Reckless182 (talk) 08:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Smile!

A Barnstar!
A smile for you
You’ve just received a random act of kindness! 66.87.2.110 (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you :) --Reckless182 (talk) 19:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Notable players

Can you please help with with creating articles about notable players in Superettan? I have already linked them. Thanks in advance! // Mattias321 (talk) 17:45, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll do it when I have time, perhaps later tonight. I have a lot of things to do at uni right now. Thanks for linking the names! --Reckless182 (talk) 10:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
When will you help me? // Mattias321 (talk) 19:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
As I told you, I'll do it when I have time. I'm prioritizing other things at the moment but I will do it. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Har du tid nu? :) / Mattias321 (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Absolut, du får ursäkta att det har tagit sin tid. --Reckless182 (talk) 12:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Det är lungt! Sen får du gärna hjälpa mig med att skapa artiklarna om Mahmut Özen, Andreas Blomqvist (footballer), Modou Barrow och David Nilsson (footballer). / Mattias321 (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Färdig med Superettan nu, kör på ovanstående spelare imorn antagligen. Är det samtliga notable players i Division 1 eller finns det fler? --Reckless182 (talk) 22:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Sådär, allt färdigt. Säg till om du behöver mer hjälp. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Malmo FF managers

Well done on another FL promotion. (thumbs up) —Cliftonian (talk) 19:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Quite a nice collection of them now :) --Reckless182 (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Indeed! A short period resting on laurels is now entirely justified. —Cliftonian (talk) 20:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Absolutely! I have a ton to do at uni at the moment so I won't have too much time for a couple of weeks anyway. I'll talk to you again soon! --Reckless182 (talk) 20:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Malmo FF league record

Sorry it took a while for me to get around to this! It looks good to me now, very well done. —Cliftonian (talk) 21:44, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I'm on vacation at the moment but I'll keep on improving it when I get back. Talk to you later. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Great stuff. Have a nice vacation. —Cliftonian (talk) 18:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The Book

Hello! Im from the Swedish Wikipedia and have a question to you. What is this book called? I need it to a project I'll try to start at the Swedish Wikipedia but can't find any good sources, so this book would be great use for me. And by the way, great work with the articles about Malmö FF! (Not the best English but I hope you'll understand) --Hastaro (talk) 21:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi! No worries, It's the Swedish Football Association's 100th anniversary book from 2004, here's a link, It's awfully expensive though, I bought it from http://www.sportboken.com/ for a reduced price but it looks like it is sold out over there, try contacting them and see if they have any new ones on the way in. Good luck with the book and your project! --Reckless182 (talk) 22:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Ouch, that was'nt cheap... But thanks anyway, let's see if I'll buy it or not...--Hastaro (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Superstar
Thank you for fixing the layout of references on the Eurovision Song Contest 2013 article. Much appreciated! Wesley☀Mouse 13:39, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all! --Reckless182 (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm very impressed with the improvements to the venue map on Eurovision Song Contest 2013. Got me thinking if it would be possible to do a similar style for the venue maps on the 2011 and 2012 articles? Wesley☀Mouse 19:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! It can absolutely be done for 2011, all we need is to use File:Germany location map.svg instead of the Sweden one and add the coordinates of the bidding cities, I'm not sure if there is a location map for Baku. I'm short on time for the moment but I can spend some time later tonight to change the maps. EDIT, We can actually use the current map for Baku that is already there, we just need the coordinates for the different venues. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Wonderful stuff. So as long as I copy the HTML code used on the 2013 map, and edit the details in accordance to 2011 and 2012 respectively, then it should be quite simple for myself to do? Wesley☀Mouse 19:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Yup! You might need the {{Clear}} template after the map as I did for 2013, otherwise it might override the next section. Good luck and just ask me if you have any questions. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

OK I've managed to do a similar map for 2011, but 2012 is a little harder as its Baku, and like you pointed out, there is no map for that. Wesley☀Mouse 20:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Good job! I tried using the Baku map that was already in place but it didn't work as there was no template for it, unfortunately I'm not experienced in creating location map templates. Perhaps we can ask someone with more experience? --Reckless182 (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. As for the Baku map, sounds like a good plan. Now where do we go for such a request? Help desk, village pump, or template for creation? Wesley☀Mouse 22:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Alright, I've put in a request at WP:Requested templates. Hopefully we'll get a response. I tried to do it myself but the task proved to be more difficult than I thought. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The Baku template has now been created and used in the article, looks great I think! --Reckless182 (talk) 17:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I'm quite impressed with it too. Thank you for submitting the request for it. I think the barnstar needs to be upgraded to superstar. Wesley☀Mouse 17:48, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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Promotion of Malmö FF all-time record to FL

Well done, keep up the good work —Cliftonian (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Branimir Hrgota

I've declined the CSD on Branimir Hrgota; his caps certainly claim significance. Whether he'll pass at AfD or PROD is down to WP:FOOTBALL, obviously. Ironholds (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I've nominated the article for AfD. The player clearly fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. The apperances he has for Jönköpings Södra IF are in Superettan, a non professional league according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. His caps for Sweden national under-19 football team alone does not make him notable. Also he has not yet made any appearances for Borussia Mönchengladbach. Thus the article should be deleted and not recreated until the player is notable. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:15, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Make your pitch to the AfD crowd, dude :). Ironholds (talk) 14:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I already did, and it's not a pitch, it's facts in accordance with Wikipedia's principles, nothing else. --Reckless182 (talk) 14:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
My point was more "it's an argument as to why it should be deleted under AfD. I have no interest in what happens at AfD. Why are you telling me these things? Tell them these things". Ironholds (talk) 15:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
As I said, I already expressed these things for the AfD. I wanted to tell you these things so that you don't have to consume your time declining CSD's that are correctly placed and where an AfD only will slow down the process of deleting the article. I find it strange that you decline an CSD for an article and then have no interest in the AfD process. I was just showing you how your motivation for declining the CSD, "his caps certainly claim significance", was incorrect so that you wouldn't make the mistake in the future. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Then you should've said that directly :). Your argument was nothing of the sort - significance is deliberately and expressly a lower standard than notability. His caps are evidence of significance; his caps are not evidence of notability. I knew this distinction and that he may not meet notability when I declined the tag (otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned that PROD or AfD were alternate venues with a less unambiguous outcome). I would suggest that you read Wikipedia:CSD#Articles, particularly A7, "An article about a real person, individual animal(s), organization or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant, with the exception of educational institutions. This is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability" (the bolding is mine). Ironholds (talk) 19:38, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are implying here. Just because the article might seem significant and fail A7 (a subjective opinion compared to notability which is rather objective) does not mean that the article fails any of the other criteria for CSD, an article does not have meet all criteria to be open for CSD. I fail to see the point in declining the CSD as you did when you must have realised that the article surely would be deleted under AfD? --Reckless182 (talk) 19:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
No, AfD is subjective as heck, most of the time; what makes a source "reliable"? What counts as "significant" coverage? And I declined the CSD because it didn't meet the test for significance. If you want to take the line of "if it passes CSD but would fail AfD, it should be deleted under CSD", you're welcome to - but no admin worth their salt will, and any admin who deletes on those grounds needs to be trouted. They are completely different tests; you cannot justifiably complain that I applied the right test and didn't choose to unilaterally ignore policy and apply the wrong one. Ironholds (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't saying that AfD is objective. I was saying that the criteria for notability is objective compared to the criteria for your significance test. I'm not saying what you're proposing but rather that you should've let the CSD be since the article would obviously fail AfD. The article will be deleted now anyway, it just seems like a waste of time to go through the AfD procedure as well. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Ironholds asked me to have a look. His handling of the CSD was fine. We cannot expect admins to enforce WP:NFOOTY at the level of making calls over A7 taggings. There's also a sound reason to stick to the rules in cases like this: it puts admins and editors on a different level. When someone turns up at RfA, we rightly excoriate them if they have a record of shitty CSD taggings, but then they pass RfA and we tell them "enforce CSD, except when you think you know better than community consensus, then do what you like". If you want to argue for wider latitude for admins at CSD, WT:CSD exists (I have argued in the past for adding "Unambiguous WP:NOT violation" as a new CSD criteria) but without community approval, I don't think it's reasonable to expect admins to not enforce how they think an AfD would go down. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


IF Elfsborg

Wow! You are obviosly concerned about Elfsborg, shouldn´t you worry about your own team Malmö? Or should i start to contribute to them too? I get your point. But please, it teases me with the knowledge of your sympathies to a team I disgust - going around and being some sort of "dictator police" deciding what should be on Swedish football history and what shouldn´t. Further more, be a bit more objective in your assesments.

Sincerely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.20.202.237 (talk) 23:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Please keep a civilized tone, there is no need for you to speak to me in that manner or to speak of any team with "disgust". There is no need to "worry" about Malmö FF, I myself have contributed enough to make that article a featured article. Furthermore I very much appreciate your contributions to the IF Elfsborg article as I work for the improvement of ALL articles on Wikipedia regarding Swedish football. Still, as you say to me, you yourself need to be more objective in your assessments. I am no "dictator police", neither you or I decide what should be considered Swedish football history, the titles of the teams speak by their own merit. The statement I removed was false and very much influenced by subjective opinion, you cannot reasonably debate that it is otherwise. If you want to you can state that IF Elfsborg have won the 8th most Swedish championships and the 8th most Svenska Cupen titles, but to call them one of the most sucessful team in terms of total titles is preposterous as several other Swedish clubs have far more titles than IF Elfsborg, that's a fact. --Reckless182 (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Actually, IFK Göteborg, Malmö FF, IFK Norrköping, Örgryte IS, AIK, Djurgårdens IF and Helsingborgs IF all have more titles in Swedish football than IF Elfsborg. The phrase "one of the most successful football clubs in Sweden according to total trophies won should perhaps concern the top three clubs or pehaps even four, in this case IFK Göteborg, Malmö FF and IFK Norrköping and perhaps Örgryte IS. --Reckless182 (talk) 00:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Reckless,

Just a quickie to let you know the logo type on ESC 2013 article is in the incorrect PNG format, when it should be SVG (vector image) apparently. All the other Eurovision by year articles all use SVG formats. I have notified AxG (talk · contribs) so that he can get the new SVG version created and uploaded asap. I had already informed one user about using the PNG version, so I would appreciate if you could be a little patient and allow AxG the time to create the new image version. Thanks, Wesley☀Mouse 09:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I should have checked beforehand. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Its quite alright, an easy mistake to make. I'm not quite sure why we have to use svg images for logos, probably some hidden policy regarding them. And I don't even know how a png version has managed to slip through the net either, that will probably need a speedy nominated on it at some stage. Wesley☀Mouse 09:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Figured out why png's cannot be used. It is because png versions are difficult to prove if they are original versions or breaching copyright violations. Whereas svg vector versions are not in breach of copyright. Also png images would show a unsightly white background in the infoboxes, whereas the svg's don't. I've amazed myself at learning something new regarding these today. Wesley☀Mouse 09:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Alright thanks! I've always wondered that myself. It makes perfect sense. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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I will gladly accept your invitation. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Splendid! So pleased that you have accepted the invite. Welcome aboard! Wesley☀Mouse 12:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! You'll notice that I have been working on improving the article on Malmö Arena, the venue for ESC 2013. The article was (and still is) rather short and of poor quality so I have started the process to increase the length and quality of the article. Hopefully I can promote the article to GA status in time. I will most likely also try to do my best to contribute to the main article for the 2013 contest as well. See you around. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar
It is with great pleasure and honour, that I award you with this Writer's Barnstar in recognition of the outstanding work in expanding the article Malmö Arena. Keep up the good work! Wesley Mouse 13:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thoroughly deserved, well done Jakob. —Cliftonian (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks guys! --Reckless182 (talk) 14:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

A most-deserved award

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For you diligent efforts in crafting a brilliant coverage of Malmö FF . Arsenikk (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Arsenikk (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this kindness of yours! I'm just getting started, my goal is to make it a featured topic in the future :) --Reckless182 (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Malmö Arena

Reckless, what the heck are you doing buddy? You've just reverted one of my edits, and reinstated a template that is now obsolete and is getting deleted. Also the succession boxes are not suppose to use "to be decided", we're suppose to use TBD in them - project consensuses once more. Tsk! Wesley Mouse 09:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Ignore that, I posted this at the same time you noticed what you had done. I need a strong coffee, first shift volunteering yesterday, and I was absolutely knackered and stressed out. My next shift in 6 hours time. Wesley Mouse 09:28, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Hey man I was on my iPad scrolling through my watchlist and happened to click on "rollback" instead of the article name, I undid my edit as soon as I could. So Sorry for any inconvenience that I may have caused. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Its quite alright. I noticed the revert and posted this, and then noticed afterwards that you too spotted the error and reverted yourself. I tell ya, I'm going to be needing caffeine injections to keep my head screwed on at this rate lol - I never expected Olympic volunteering would be this stressing. Wesley Mouse 09:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
That is awesome though, what are you volunteering with? --Reckless182 (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Accreditation Team Leader at the media centre. Wesley Mouse 10:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Sounds fun, but I understand the stress involved. It must be fun to be in London at the moment, I envy you. Drink a cup of coffee (or two) and take a deep breath and I'm sure you'll do fine! --Reckless182 (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Helllo, did my first shift yesterday and got really stressed out and almost had a panic attack. I went today thinking I had another shift, but got my rota mixed up - d'oh. I have today and tomorrow off. So I am going to use the time wisely to work on some stuff around here. Wesley Mouse 19:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, see how the work has got to me. I've just repeated myself from something I said earlier today. The coffee isn't helping. There's a debate going on though at Talk:London regarding Eurovision. Did you know that the article doesn't have any mention to London's 4 times of being the host city to Eurovision? And the reason being given is the contest is "trivial" and a "joke" and doesn't warrant an inclusion. Pathetic eh!? Wesley Mouse 19:41, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
No problem mate! Perhaps you should get get some sleep ;) Such a shame that Eurovision is not taken seriously by the majority of British people. I would love to see Eurovision back in the UK once again. It should definitely be mentioned somewhere in the article!

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - August 2012

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Help

Kan du hjälpa mig med att skapa artiklarna om...

  • Martin Strömberg i Norrby IF, tidigare i IF Elfsborg // Mattias321 (talk) 17:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Not to be rude but why don't you create them yourself when you find them? Wikipedia:Be bold. It will only take you approximately 5 minutes or less per article. I'll gladly help but I have a lot of other things on my plate both on here and IRL that is higher prioritized. I'm just saying, I hope that doesn't offend you, I just wanted to explain why it's taking so long.--Reckless182 (talk) 16:28, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Sport Club Corinthians Paulista

Hi Reckless182, I have admired your work on Malmö FF & have utilized your notable players & coaches scheme in the article I consistently edit. Rurthermore, I have noticed that you are a member of WikiProject Football. I wonder if you have any tips on how I may edit Corinthians in order to achieve the quality of Malmö FF. I have made many, many, changes to the article & why I hoping WikiProject Football can give the article an assessment.

Corinthians, founded 1910, has the second largest fan base in the Americas, 25+Million fans. Timao became the first team to win the FIFA Club World Cup, is the most winning team of Sao Paulo, the only team in the Americas worth over (R$1Billion/ €400Million), & is the current Copa Libertadores Champion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.23.240.232 (talk) 07:03, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for kind remarks! I would love to help you. I'm off today for an away game but I will take a proper look at your article later tonight and tomorrow and get back to you. --Reckless182 (talk) 07:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Alright man, here are some quick remarks.
  • Lenght: The length of the article is an issue. The article is currently 145kB, this can be compared to Malmö FF which is currently 58kB. I would suggest trying to shortening down the article to below 60 kB. The best suggestions for this is to try to write the sections in Summary style. For example, Parts of the history section could be moved to History of Sport Club Corinthians Paulista and parts of the Facilities section could be move to the respective articles. For the club culture section I would write the entire section in summary style and create article for the supporter groups that are notable according to Wikipedia:GNG. I would also remove Oração do São Jorge and the anthem, I don't think it is notable enough to be featured in the article.
  • Sourcing: There should be a reference for at least every paragraph and for each factual statement, for example: Corinthians was a founding member of the Clube dos 13 group of leading Brazilian football clubs. Pretty much every section of the article needs more references to support them. I see some sub sections that lack references altogether (such as symbols).
  • Media and layout: Some minor fixes are needed for the images in the text, you need to make sure that the images does not disturb the layout of the page, for example: two images are forcing the subsection titles to the right in the history section, this can be fixed by putting the images elsewhere or using the {{Clear}} template at the end of the section where the image is located. Also look at the layout and make sure that you don't have any sections that are too long or too short, for example, in the history sections there is a mix between long and short sections. There are some images that I'm not sure about. I'm not sure that the use of multiple old crest images in the kit section is allowed under copyright, I had a long discussion for the same issue for the Malmö FF article and removed the old crests in the end, I believe that the only justifiable use of the crest image is in the infobox in the top of the article. For the facilities section I would make the images smaller and perhaps remove one or two since one image should be enough of the new stadium.
I would remove the infobox for Pacaembu Stadium to the right since this belongs to the article about the stadium. I would also remove the kit images for the kits of the 2012 season and put this in the 2012 Sport Club Corinthians Paulista season article instead. Finally there are some examples of where you should try to explain the use of colours and abbreviations such as in the rivalry section, the table in that section needs to be explained. The table also needs another layout so that it can be fitted on the page without scrolling to the right. You also need to add a image caption or similar to the illustration in the First team squad section. There are som more examples of tables in the article where the colours need to be explained.
  • Neutrality: You need to make sure that section titles and all of the prose is neutral and factual. I can see some issues regarding this. A couple of examples are "Foundation & Humble Beginnings (1910–1912)" and "Becoming Great (1922–1939)" in the section titles. Large parts of the history section is also full of sentences that should be rewritten to be more neutral, for example:
The club's situation in early 2004 was among the most difficult in their history. Bad administration, lack of money and terrible campaigns both in the 2003 Brazilian Championship and in the 2004 São Paulo State Championship caused their millions of supporters to worry. Fortunately, some young players and a new manager Tite helped the team to improve from their terrible start. At the end of the championship, Corinthians finished in 5th place and gained entry to the Copa Sudamericana (a minor continental championship).

Fixing all of these issues will take time but it is in no way impossible. With some work this article can definitely reach GA and eventually FA status in the future. I would recommend trying to fix these general issues and then proceed to opening a Peer review, I'm open to review the article more fully in a peer review after you have fixed the bigger issues. Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 13:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm ecstatic to receive a review of the Corinthians, cannot thank you enough for the critique. I'll get to editing it right away! 1dayFloripa (talk) 17:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

No problems! Are you the same editor as above? Just ask me if you need more help and a more thorough peer review later. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Project help

Hi Reckless,

I was wondering if you fancy helping me out with a bit of a task? I have a couple of days off my volunteering shifts at London (prep work for Paralympics are next, starting this Thursday). Anyhow, as you probable know WP:EURO is undergoing a revamp of article layouts on ESC and JESC by year articles. I've made a start ESC 1956 and got as far as ESC 1975 (with 2001, 2011 - 2013 already in the new format). But with one thing and another have got myself delayed in finishing the rest off. Do you fancy giving me a hand on this mammoth task? Wesley Mouse 23:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I would love to help. I have a fair bit on my table at the moment so I might not begin immediatly but I'll look to it when I find the time! I hope you're enjoying the Olympics and Paralympics, what a fantastic show.--Reckless182 (talk) 07:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh that's fantastic news - thank you Reckless, the help means a lot to me. I've been using my sandbox to assist in reformatting the articles so that I avoid edit conflicts. User:Wesley Mouse/sandbox/4 contains the ESC template, User:Wesley Mouse/sandbox/8 contains the JESC template, and User:Wesley Mouse/sandbox/9 contains the location maps. Hope that helps. Wesley Mouse 12:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Reckless, per chance are you familiar with Project Mechanisms, and the detailed ins and outs etc. E.g. if a project needs to hold a talk page discussion to !vote on whether an article should/should not be included to the list of articles covered by a project. Wesley Mouse 16:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe that voting is discouraged in project discussion and that any decisions should be based on consensus instead if the matter is controversial. The best idea would be to start a talk page and discuss the different alternatives. May I ask what matter this concerns?--Reckless182 (talk) 18:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Of course you may ask. Its is regarding ABU Song Festivals 2012, which is a contest of the same genre as Eurovision Song Contest (the Asia=Pacific equivalent) however the Asian version may have the same concept as ESC the format structure is completely different. WP:ESC's scope has the ABU Festival within its scope, even the first ever project discussion back in September 2003 states that the project, despite its name being Eurovision, wouldn't deal primarily with Eurovision-only articles. It would cover articles of the same genre too. Now logically in 2003 we wouldn't have known the ABU would create a music festival 9 years later, nor could we have predicted the Eurovision Dance Contest which followed 5 years after the first ever project debate. I know we also had the RfC debate regarding article layout May/July 2012; but even then we didn't know the ABU were planning a contest. I then found sources about the festival and asked CT Cooper if we need to create an article, to which he said yes. I also asked if it would come under WP:ESC and if we would need to use the same layout style as discussed at the RfC. Again he said yes, but with the odd adjustment here and there if required. Now on Talk:ABU Song Festivals 2012 another user is trying to force the project away from the article as if to try and claim ownership of it. The same user has been told by myself, two other editors, and even WikiProject Council that the decision to place a project banner is up to any individual member of that project, and no consensus and/or !vote is required. But the user is still stomping their cyber-feet stating that I have solely placed a project banner despite that I was advised to do it. Would you be kind to have a look at the article talk page and put your views across? As at the moment I feel like I am dealing with this on my own now. Thanks, Wesley Mouse 18:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I quickly scrolled through the discussion at Talk:ABU Song Festivals 2012 and I believe that you are right in your reasoning and your interpretation of WP:PROJGUIDE. I believe that Ruslanovich should join the project if wishes to discuss the scope of the project. As he is not a member I don't believe he has the right to force the scope of the project away from this particular article.--Reckless182 (talk) 21:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for having a look into that for me. I just feel like I'm smacking my head against a brick wall with it though. No matter how many times I or anyone else interprets Projguide to him, he still insists that WP:ESC shouldn't have any dealings with the article. He has said once that as long as the article is with ESC then he cannot join the project. Yet, if the project remove the banner then he will join. What is all that about? It needs someone else I think from the project to explain to him why the article is within ESC scope, and thus a part of ESC project. Because he doesn't seem to want to hear it from me. Wesley Mouse 23:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:Eurovision Newsletter (September 2012)

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Jan Hansson

Hi there. I've recently made an article your fellow countryman, Patrik Hansson, and then I figured out that both him and his father have been assistant coach at SK Brann. That is kinda rare, so I was thinking about nominating it for DYK. The problem is that I don't know if the father (Jan Hansson) is notable - my google-searching found out that he has been assistant coach at Brann in the early 90's and Molde when Odd Berg was head coach (2003), he has also been head coach of Växjö Norra and coach at Östers IF. If he were 20 years younger, we would probably have enough online sources to make an article, but do you know about any sources that can be used to write an article about this guy, if he even is notable? Do you know if he ever played for Östers in Allsvenskan during his player-career (if he had any? Mentoz86 (talk) 20:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I have a reference book for all Allsvenskan players pre 2004 and I can't find that a Jan Hansson has ever played for Öster. Is there any chance that he might have played for another Allsvenskan club? --Reckless182 (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply, even though I didn't respond at once I read it and realized that finding out if this guy is notable could be very tricky. What I know about this guy is only that he have lived most of his life in Växjö and been assistant coach at Östers, Brann and Molde. When I don't even know his date of birth, if would be very difficult to find out anything more about him (especially if Jan Hansson is as common in Sweden as Jan Hansen is in Norway). It might be probably that he played for another Swedish club, but I'm going to leave him without an article until I find something that could justice an article based on GNG. But again, thank you for your help. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:28, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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List of Swedish football transfers

Hi, just wanted to leave 2 small notes regarding your edits to the list. 1. dont forget the http:// part when you add the url, otherwise the links wont function properly. 2. If you add a transfer from or to Malmö FF from another club in Allsvenskan or Superettan, please add the transfer to that club to, just not Malmö. Best regards.Halmstad (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - October 2012

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re: Sweden vs Qatar U23

It's not a full international since it was against an under-23 team. If it was against a Senior team, then it's a different story. At the same time, I've started a discussion on WT:FOOTY about this. – Michael (talk) 18:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - November 2012

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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - December 2012

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Malmö and Djorgarden

I think I made a mistake. I edit in persian wikipedia. Talk pages of minor sports clubs like Malmö and Djurgårdens IF in persian wikipedia is empty and nobody contribute in this talk pages. I did not know that Malmö and Djurgårdens IF articles talk pages in english wikipedia is active and do not expected that somebody leave a message for me. thank you about your message. I did not know about Djorgarden website. Now I think that I made a mistake and You are right.
But I think the pages of departments of sports club like Malmö and Djurgårdens IF should be separated. In malmo case the name page of football department of IFK Malmo had not "fotboll" word that is strongly incorrect. "IFK Malmo Fotboll" is a department of "IFK Malmo" and I separated this articles. My info account (talk) 12:41, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. I am busy now in another persian article and I confused here so please move the pages again. And I strongly agree with you about "IFK Malmo fotboll"
But I have a question my english writing is good or bad? thanks a lot My info account (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Tack så mycket!

Tack för att du hjälper mig med artiklar som Djurgårdens IF Fotboll, Hammarby IF och Landskrona BoIS vad det gäller att spelare inte lämnar/tillkommer förrän 1 januari 2013! Ha en riktig God Jul! // Mattias321 (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Inga problem! Jag gillar inte heller kaoset som skapas. Du skulle inte kunna hålla ett extra öga på Malmö FF och sektionen med spelartruppen mellan 28e och 1 januari? Jag kommer nämligen att befinna mig utomlands och utan tillgång till internet. Hade varit skönt om någon som jag litar på håller koll på sidan. Lägg gärna till/ta bort spelare den 1e om du har lust. Ha en god jul du med! --Reckless182 (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Inga problem, det fixar jag! Den 1 januari kommer jag att lägga till och ta bort spelare i alla lag i Allsvenskan och Superettan. PS. Ska Malmö FF-spelaren Egzon Sekiraca (nyligen utlånad till Trelleborgs FF) stå under "Out on loan"-sektionen eller inte efter 1 januari? // Mattias321 (talk) 14:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Tackar! Egzon Sekiraca har inte A-lags eller lärlingskontrakt så han ska inte finnas med i lån-sektionen i och med att det handlar om en utlåning från U19 laget. Jag har lagt till en hel del osynliga länkar i sektionerna så det är bara att göra dom synliga genom att ta bort det som är runt omkring. Det är en hel drös spelare som har fått lärlingskontrakt också :) Återstår att se om vi fortfarande leder maratontabellen nästa år i och med att det ser lite ut som en budgetlösning inför 2013 ;) God jul och gott nytt år! --Reckless182 (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Jag tror och hoppas att mitt kära IFK Göteborg återtar förstaplatsen i Maratontabellen nästa år! ;) Ha det bra! // Mattias321 (talk) 14:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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2013 Allsvenskan league table

I haven't discussed it with anybody. But it makes logical sense to have such a template until at least the end of the season. The whole purpose of a template like this is to cut down the number of edits needed. The league table was already on multiple tables. This is currently being done for te German league tables and UEFA Champions League tables. Kingjeff (talk) 01:51, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright. Would you mind creating similar templates for 2013 Superettan and 2013 Swedish football Division 1 so that they can all be included at 2013 in Swedish football? I do agree with the practical advantages with such templates but I was just worried about the overall consensus on WP. Wasn't the templates for the Champions League groups deleted? Or perhaps that was after the end of the group stage. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:06, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The Champions League temmplates went up for deletion and they ended up being kept. At least until they're redundant at the end of the season. Kingjeff (talk) 16:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Ties in positions per round

Hi! Do you have a guideline for this? The official website has no indicator to whether or not teams are tied for a position. The order of the teams is purely alphabetical and has no other meaning than that. The official competition rules state these rules for classification: 1) points, 2) goal difference, 3) number of goals scored, 4) head-to-head results. In the cases of championship, playoff and relegation positions, a deciding game shall be played. In other cases, there are no further rules. – Elisson • T • C • 18:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. In fact SvFF's "tävlingsbestämmelser" states that away goals scored is the deciding factor when teams are level after head-tohead results. This puts some teams in front of others after the first and second round results. After that it is a deciding game to determine the positions. I've used the positions listed by SvFF after the first round, the fact that they didn't specifically display tied positions indicate that we shouldn't either. I don't think it's adivsable for us to assume that the teams are tied in the position when we have no sources that specifically tells us this. Also I've never seen tied positions being used in a similar table on the other league articles on WP. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
No, away goals in head-to-head results are counted, not away goals in total. And we have a source, the SvFF competition rules. They state that only when the mentioned cases occur should a deciding game be played, in all other situations there are no further tie breaking rules. No mention of sorting alphabetically. I find it hard to believe that this can be interpreted as anything else than a tie in position. It is just so unnatural to not use tied positions. No one would in their right mind claim that Kalmar FF was in third position after the first round, just because their team name started with a K, while the teams in position one and two started with H and I, or is it H and G? If one takes a look in the official yearbooks of Swedish football, one will notice that IFK Göteborg would be sorted before Helsingborgs IF (and for example BK Häcken would be sorted after Djurgårdens IF, and so on) in the tables in case of a tie. This just makes it even more ridiculous. The only real argument here is consistency, that no other league articles use it. And that isn't really an argument. I won't fight for this, I just wanted to point out the absurdity in it. – Elisson • T • C • 13:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for correcting me about the rules. I agree, no use fighting over such a small issue. Since there seems to be a WP praxis of not using tied positions for these types of tables I think that maybe you should bring it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to see if there is consensus for a change in the broader community. I'll gladly changed the tables to tied positions if there is a consensus for change.--Reckless182 (talk) 09:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Dahlin

Hi.

Source: His Malmö profile, Soccerway, Altomfotball, Football Database.eu, do you need some more?

I Have never experienced someone reacting to a small change such as a change in a table layout before – so please don't make an issue out of nothing. Also; if we need to have a discussion for making small changes like this, things are going to take a lot of time here at Wikipedia! Regards – Terje Christiansen (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Sorry for coming on hard but you provided me with no sources and reverted my edits without giving me enough reasons. Go ahead and corerct the stats but please don't change the layout of the table, it is not a minor change but a rather big one. Also this layout is the most used and also the one I've used for every other Malmö FF player so please don't change it again.--Reckless182 (talk) 18:28, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hello again, hopefully you can help

Hello Reckless182-

I have recently nominated List of Detroit Red Wings draft picks as a Featured List Candidate and it is in need of additional reviews. If you could take the time to review the page and offer your comments at the FLC review page that would be a great help.

Cheers, Rejectwater (talk) 23:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey! I've added my comments to the FLC page. Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the input. Cheers, Rejectwater (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Happy to help! --Reckless182 (talk) 17:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
If you're down for it I have a peer review request for List of Detroit Red Wings seasons. Thanks and cheers, Rejectwater (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - July 2013

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Hi

I could really need some help from a Swedish Wikipedian. I have made an article on Elisabet Höglund whichI have nominated for DYK, I could need some help with additional copy-editing and translation of some of the words that perhaps was lost in translation from Swedish to English and links that are without proper redirect. Any help is welcome. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I'll take a look later today or tonight.--Reckless182 (talk) 10:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Just drop a note at my talk page when you are done. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:14, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
If you got the time please review my article on Jasmine Kara. Much appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I have created an article about Musikhjälpen. Take a look. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I have created an article about Lexbase.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey! I'm real sorry for the late reply. I'm currently writing my master thesis at university so I'm currently a bit overwhelmed by work. I'll take a look later tonight! --Reckless182 (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Some help creating articles

Hej Reckless182!

Jag under den senaste tiden uppdaterat alla lags trupper i Allsvenskan och Superettan efter årets två transferfönster. Nu tänkte jag börja skapa artiklar om relevanta spelare som inte har en artikel. Det skulle uppskattas om du skulle kunna hjälpa mig skapa lite artiklar. En lista på spelare som behöver en artikel hittar du här på min profil. // Mattias321 (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hej! Gött att du har lagt upp en lista. Jag ska göra vad jag kan när jag har tid. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Inga problem, jag försöker uppdatera den efter varje Allsvensk omgång! Tackar! // Mattias321 (talk) 10:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Tjäna grabbar. As a friendly advise, would you try to add {{Sweden-footy-bio-stub}} at the end of the articles when creating these articles, when lurking through those articles about Swedish footballers (who are mostly created by the two of you) I often notice that this is missing. If you also add the relevant project-banners to the talk page (WP BIO, WP Footy and WP Sweden, like it is done here) it would reduce the need of work that needs to be done by gnomes like me. I would also encourage you to try to write a little more about these footballers when you create the articles, instead of simply stating "Johan Persson (born 1 January 1995) is a Swedish footballer who plays as a midfielder for Kalmar FF in Allsvenskan". Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 11:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Meral Tasbas

When you got time please check out Meral Tasbas article. I would appreciate any help like spell checks etc...--BabbaQ (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the delay. I will take a look! --Reckless182 (talk) 17:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I did some minor copyedits and one major with the death threats since the ref differed entirely from the previous sentence.--Reckless182 (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Malmö FF players in Norwegian

Hi, I'm happy to let you know that I've requested a peer-review process for the Norwegian version of List of Malmö FF players (Liste over spillere i Malmö FF). The list itself is translated from English, and all links are now blue in the Norwegian article. If the peer-review looks ok, the article will be nominated as a featured list. Grrahnbahr (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Thats awesome! Great work with the translation! --Reckless182 (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

2013 Allsvenskan top goalkeepers, etc.

Hello, nice work on the Allsvenskan article. I took the liberty of making some changes - editing the statistic of most clean sheets out of the top table and instead listing the top goalkeepers by save percentage in the article. I borrowed the design from the 2012 Superettan article. I feel like this way of displaying goalkeepers stats shows more relevant info than just showing the number of clean sheets. Also, the Superettan article had a minimum of 10 games played by the end of the season, should a lower limit be set for present day? All of this can be reverted if you feel that is justified...

Also, an unrelated question that has been on my mind, feel free to ignore it... assume that Falkenberg qualifies for the 2014 Allsvenskan - would their arena be the smallest (capacity-wise) in Allsvenskan in recent years? Ho-ju-96 (talk) 13:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey. First I'm sorry that I haven't gotten back to you earlier than this, university has been keeping me quite busy. The changes you've made to the goalkeepers table are very welcomed, I agree with you that this is a much better format than the previous one, albeit a bit more time consuming to update. About Falkenberg, I'm pretty sure that IF Brommapojkarna's Grimsta IP had a capacity closer to 4,000 before they renovated it for the current Allsvenskan spell.I'm still unsure if they will actually be able to play at Falkenbergs IP given that the stadium doesn't even pass the Superettan criteria, they have been given an exception for the current season. (Ref in Swedish). --Reckless182 (talk) 14:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hildegard Björck

If you could take a look at my article for Hildegard Björck for grammar mistakes etc it would be appreciated. Thank you.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sweden national team captains

Hej!

Jag har gjort en lista över lagkaptener i svenska landslaget som antingen har gjort 30 matcher som lagkapten eller varit lagkapten i ett stort mästerskap. Jag undrar i fall du har några synpunkter på hur jag skulle kunna förbättra den. Jag tänkte ha med en lista över alla som varit lagkapten i landslaget, men jag kände att det blir nog lite långt, så jag tänker göra en egen artikel, likt denna lite senare. // Mattias321 (talk) 13:41, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Hej
Snyggt! Det första du bör göra är att lägga till en eller flera referenser. Zlatans period bör väl också markeras som "2013–Present" i och med att han fortfarande är kapten. Du kan också specifiera i inledningen att listan är sorterad efter antalet matcher som kapten så att inte läsaren blir förvirrad, vissa på Wikipedia föredrar att sortera listor över personer i alfabetisk ordning men här tycker jag att det går bra att sortera som du har gjort. En separat lista över samtliga kaptener låter som en mycket bra idé. Bra jobbat! --Reckless182 (talk) 15:36, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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I will, hopefully at the end of this week I will have enough time to update the charts for all the teams. Vadjag (talk) 15:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

It's no hurry! I'm just happy that you are up for the task, it's quite a massive one. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
No problem, they've all been updated now! Vadjag (talk) 01:30, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Great job! Thanks. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Sweden national youth teams

Under den senaste tiden har jag skapat artiklar om det svenska U23-landslaget, U18-landslaget och U16-landslaget. Alla dessa landslag är numera nedlagda på grund av åldersregleringar från UEFA (förutom att U23-landslaget spelar eventuella OS). Vad tycker du hittills? Du kan också ta en titt på mina artiklar om det svenska U19-landslaget och det svenska U17-landslaget. // Mattias321 (talk) 10:24, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey. Jag märkte att nånting är fel med tabellerna över kvalstatistiken, kanten i slutet av tabellen saknas till höger på många av tabellerna, har försökt att fixa det men jag hittar inte riktigt problemet. Sen angående spelarna i U23 landslaget från 1992, är Moberg och Lilius "notable" eller bör vi kanske ta bort dom röda länkarna? Annars är det mycket bra :) --Reckless182 (talk) 10:04, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Hej. Vad konstigt. För mig syns kanten i slutet av tabellerna. Det kanske är olika för olika datorer? Själv använder jag en MacBook. Vad det gäller Moberg och Lilius så har båda spelat i Allsvenskan för Öster respektive HIF, så dom är "notable". // Mattias321 (talk) 14:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, skumt. Sitter på min laptop nu, får se hur det se ut på min andra dator som har större skärm. Alright, bra att du har kollat upp det, ville bara kolla.--Reckless182 (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Template:2013 Allsvenskan table

Have you replaced it on all pages that it was on? If so, there is currently no ligitimate objections to having it deleted. Kingjeff (talk) 01:41, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yup, it's done! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:49, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Swedish transfers winter 2014

Hur ska vi göra 1 januari då det internationella transferfönstret öppnar? Det svenska öppnar ju inte förrän 10 januari, så spelare som Martin Smedberg-Dalence och Mahmut Özen bör inte skrivas in i IFK Göteborgs respektive Malmö FF:s trupp förrän 10 januari. Men hur gör vi med spelare som Jiloan Hamad, Erlend Hanstveit, Joackim Jörgensen och James Keene som lämnar sina klubbar för att spela i utlandet? Bör de tas bort från trupperna 10 januari eller det datumet som deras nya transferfönster öppnar? Till exempel så lämnar ju Hamad för spel i TSG 1899 Hoffenheim. Ska han tas bort 10 januari då det svenska transferfönstret öppnar eller 1 januari då det tyska transferfönstret öppnar?

// Mattias321 (talk) 10:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey, snyggt jobbat med att se till att hålla ordning på trupperna. Spelare som Hamad som lämnar för utlandet där fönstret öppnas den 1e bör tas bort den 1e och sen kan vi fixa alla inrikes transfers den 10e, ser egentligen inga problem med det förutom att anonyma användare kanske kommer ha svårt att förstå, fast det har dom iförsig redan. Jag kommer vara bortrest över nyår likt förra året så du för jättegärna hålla ett öga på trupperna och se till att det sköts på ett bra sätt :) --Reckless182 (talk) 13:25, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Tack så mycket! Jag tycker det låter bra att fixa alla inrikes den 10 januari, men det lär som sagt bli rätt så mycket kaos. ;) Jag ska göra vad jag kan över nyår för att uppdatera och hålla ordning, men jag orkar nog inte uppdatera alla spelares egna artiklar, det blir nog mest "bara" trupperna i klubbartiklarna och truppmallarna.
God Jul och Gott Nytt År! :)
// Mattias321 (talk) 22:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Gör du så! Jag kan fixa några av spelarartiklarna när jag är tillbaka. God Jul och Gott Nytt År till dig också! --Reckless182 (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

FC Rosengård

I have fixed your WP:COPYANDPASTEMOVE - you cannot simply transfer content from one page title to another, you need to move the history as well! GiantSnowman 11:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry! I should have asked an administrator such as yourself to help me with the history section. I forgot about that detail. Thank you! --Reckless182 (talk) 11:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Johan Dahlin

For example; if a player had got injured in his team and did not play any match with his team during a year. Then we ignore that team just because of he did not play a game with his team?

No but with transfers this is the common practice all across wikipedia. I will start a discussion over at WP:FOOTBALL, please participate in this discussion. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you then.

Player names

Hej!

Enligt SvFF:s och Gais officiella hemsidor stavas August Gustavsson Lohaprasret och Oliver Gustavsson såhär. Men spelarna själva stavar sina namn "August Gustafsson Lohaprasert" (Twitter, Facebook, Hitta) och "Oliver Gustafsson" (Twitter).

Så bör man följa officiella hemsidor eller hur spelarna själva stavar sina namn? // Mattias321 (talk) 14:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Jag hittade nu extra stöd för att han heter "August Gustafsson Lohaprasert" och inte "August Gustavsson Lohaprasret". Enligt SCB:s namnsök finns det ingen person i Sverige med efternamnet "Lohaprasret", men det finns 3 stycken med efternamnet "Lohaprasert". // Mattias321 (talk) 16:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Du får ursäkta mig att jag har tagit så lång tid på mig att svara. Jag har fullt upp med lite andra saker. Knepigt problem som du har hittat, jag har sett ett par exempel förr och då har jag följt SvFF, jag är dock inte helt 100 på att det är det rätta att göra. Jag skulle rekommendera dig att fråga på WP:FOOTBALL. Jag kollade runt lite för att se om jag kunde hitta några guidelines, dock utan framgång. Lycka till! --Reckless182 (talk) 15:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Articles that should be deleted

Hej!

Jag skulle behöva lite hjälp. Tom Siwe, Erik Figueroa, Christophe Lallet, Adnan Maric och Fredrik Jonsson har aldrig spelat en match i en professionell liga och borde därför inte ha en artikel på Wikipedia. Jag vet inte hur man föreslår att en artikel ska tas bort, men det kanske du vet? // Mattias321 (talk) 12:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for bumping in here, but I've proposed deletion for all the mentioned articles. Grrahnbahr (talk) 12:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Mathias: Det finns tre olika sätt, Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion och Articles for deletion. Om en artikel utan tvekan bryter mot de kritier som finns så räcker det med att du använder speedy deletion, proposed deletion är dock ett bättre alternativ även om det är uppenbart att artikeln borde tas bort (T.ex om en spelare saknar matcher i en professionell liga). Om det finns några tvivel överhuvudtaget eller om någon överklagat en speedy deletion eller proposed deletion så ska AfD användas. T.ex. om du lägger en PROD (proposed deletion) på en artikel och den tas bort av en användare så ska du inte reverta detta utan lägga dit en AfD (article for deletion) istället. Jag brukar alltid lägga en PROD på en artikel som jag anser bör tas bort, om den ligger kvar efter en vecka så tas artikeln automatiskt bort, överklagas detta av någon så går det vidare till AfD där man diskuterar hurvida den bör tas bort eller inte. Hoppas att detta gjorde saken lite mer tydlig. Du gör allt detta genom fliken uppe till höger (Under TW). --Reckless182 (talk) 15:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Malmö IP

Some more thoughts on this:

  • There are a few places where you need citations—this will detail a GA nomination so fix this beforehand
  • Why not put it in the Category:Malmö FF? This goes for Malmö Stadion also

Really well done on this! Very well written and very thorough. I really enjoyed looking it over and lending a hand where I could. Anyway, I hope you're well, have a great week. =) —Cliftonian (talk) 17:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

PS If there is any way I can help with the stadium plan or anything else please don't hesitate to say. Cheers! —Cliftonian (talk) 17:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks man! The quality of your contributions have been very high as always. I'll do the refwork as soon as possible, I might not have time until the weekend. Uni is taking up a lot of time at the moment. I think I can manage a stadium plan similar to the one I drew for Swedbank Stadion. I'll get back to you when I've done the refwork! --Reckless182 (talk) 08:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Career tables

Hej igen!

Jag tänkte börja göra karriärtabeller till IFK Göteborgs spelare, likt du har gjort med Malmö FF:s spelare. Och jag undrar följande... Ska Supercup-matcher ingå i "Cup" eller är det bara det den största nationella cupturneringen som ska stå med där? Och ska Royal League och UEFA Intertoto Cup ingå i "Continental" eller är det bara UEFA Champions League och UEFA Europa League / UEFA Cup som ska ingå där? På de tabellerna jag hittills gjort har jag tagit med Supercup-matcher och Intertoto-matcher, men struntat i Royal League då det mer var en försäsongsturnering och ingen officiell UEFA-tävling. // Mattias321 (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Tja!
Jag har kört på samma format och praxis som jag har sett andra göra. Jag har enbart inkluderat den nationella cupen, inga supercuper eller ligacuper. Samma sak gäller Europeiska turneringar, enbart UEFA tävlingar. Gött att höra att du också jobbar på det. Lär inte finnas någon större tvekan till vilka två svenska lag som har bäst täckning på Wikipedia va? :) --Reckless182 (talk) 18:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
OK! Betyder det att du inkluderar 1995 till 2008 års Intertoto Cup, eftersom cupen under dessa år var en UEFA-turnering?
Och ja, det två mest framgångsrika klubbarna i Sverige har verkligen bäst täckning på Wikipedia! Efter att jag har snyggat upp alla spelarartiklar tänker jag försöka snygga upp själva artikeln om IFK Göteborg och sedan skapa lite Blåvitt-relaterade artiklar. // Mattias321 (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Ja, det låter rimligt att inkludera det. Som du ser har jag använt Soccerway som källa. Egentligen borde man kanske ha en till, typ profilsidan på SvFF för Allsvenska spelare. Det låter bra du! Jag tror att det var ett tag sen IFK Göteborgs huvudartikel blev en FA, det har nog blivit en hel del förändringar i kriterierna sedan dess så den hade nog mått bra av det. Bara säg till om du behöver min hjälp med något så hjälper jag gärna till. Håller just nu på att skriva mitt examensarbete så det betyder att jag har mindre tid att vara aktiv under veckorna, men jag gör mitt bästa ändå :) --Reckless182 (talk) 18:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Hur tycker du jag ska göra med kvalmatcher? Ska kvalmatcher till Allsvenskan, Superettan, Premier League mm räknas till "Cup" eller ska man strunta i att inkludera dom? Likadant med Europa-playoff, mästerskapsserier och mästerskaps-playoff, som det är i tex. Belgien, Grekland, Holland & USA, och var i Sverige mellan 1982–1992. Ska de också räknas till "Cup"? // Mattias321 (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Jag har inte inkluderat några typer av kvalmatcher i statistiken förutom kval till UEFA turnerningar. Om man till exempel kollar på SvFFs statistik från play-off åren på 80 talet så inkluderas inte dessa matcher i spelarstatistiken som Allsvenska matcher. Det kanske hade varit värt att ta upp frågan på WP:FOOTBALL. --Reckless182 (talk) 16:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok, jag kanske ta upp frågan på WP:FOOTBALL senare, men för att sammanfatta hur du har gjort i alla fall. League – Bara grundsäsongen. Cup – Bara den nationella cupen, inga supercuper eller slutspel. Continental – Bara officiella UEFA/CONCACAF/AFC/etc-turneringar. // Mattias321 (talk) 17:09, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Stämmer mycket bra! --Reckless182 (talk) 17:14, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Questions about season articles

Hej!

Jag har lite frågor angående säsongsartiklar.

  • Ska träningsmatcher ingå i spelarstatistiken eller är det bara tävlingsmatcher som gäller där? Jag ser att du har gjort lite olika här. Från 2007–2012 så hade du med alla MFF:s matcher i statistiken, men från förra året har du bara tävlingsmatcher. Själv tycker jag det kan vara relevant att ta med träningsmatcher då dessa är matcher som spelades under säsongen.
  • Ska det bara vara transferhändelser som ska vara med i "Key events" eller ska man ta med datum när titlar vanns och rekord slogs osv?
  • Vilket år ska man börja räkna från under "Squad information"? Robin Söder debuterade i IFK Göteborgs a-lag säsongen 2008, men fick ett a-lagskontrakt först inför 2009. Hampus Zackrisson gjorde a-lagsdebut 2012, allsvensk debut 2013 and fick a-lagskontrakt inför 2014. Gustav Engvall debuterade 2013, men fick a-lagskontrakt 2014 osv.

// Mattias321 (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Tja!
Sorry för sent svar. Som du ser så ändrade jag mig från att inkludera träningsmatcherna i statistiken i dom senare säsongerna. Praxis och consensus på resten av engelska Wiki verkar vara att inte inkludera någon typ av vänskapsmatch i all typ av statistik.
När det gäller transferhändelserna så ser det lite olika ut på olika klubbars säsongsartiklar. Änsålänge har jag tagit med transfers och manager-avhopp och rekryteringar. Jag antar att det vore relevant att även ta med datum då titlar säkrades. Men som sagt, det är upp till dig!
Jag börjar med att räkna "since" från det året spelaren blev uppflyttad till A-lags truppen, dvs när en spelare gick från att ha ungdomskontrakt till att ha lärlings eller A-lags kontrakt.
Lycka till! --Reckless182 (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

English Wiki

But please watch this at Swedish Wiki https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fotbollsallsvenskan_1937/1938 - "Lilla silvret" , and that's the best result ever for BoIS !!! Boeing720 (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2014 (UTC) Alright I think I understand why You assume BoIS was runner's up 1937/38 - same goal difference as HIF and more goals scored. But sadly (for us "BoIS:are") at that time the goal ratio was the decider if two teams got the same points. And HIF's 36/27 = 1.3333, while BoIS goal ratio was 40/31 = 1.2903. You didn't knew that, did You ? And by the way - your self rating of English language seems extremely high. I've never seen a 5 before. Any explanation ? Boeing720 (talk) 20:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me, I didn't know that in fact. You could stop right now with the attitude though, I really don't think it is necessary. As you said yourself, its a self rating, are you bothered by it? I lived in the UK for several years and spent my entire upper secondary school education in an English speaking program. I'm practically a native speaker, so I'm not sure why you would object. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
First of all, I admit to being unnecessary sharp in my tone, specially since You did reply "Thank you for informing me, I didn't know that in fact...". But I simply didn't notice that reply when I wrote my previous comment. Please believe me, I really didn't. I didn't know at which time goal ratio was abandoned in favor of goal difference though. But now we do know that both, and that is good, I presume and hope. (Every season prior of 1940/41 needs a change, and the goal difference column ought to be changed into goal ratio, or by very least removed). Further, Allsvenskan was the first and only national league (until "Superettan" was created 2000), "Svenska Serien" was divided into a north and a south league. "Allsvenskan" was created by the 6 best teams from both leagues, or this was the original intention. But Djurgården and Landskrona both came 7th in the north and the south league. But SFF wanted them in Allsvenskan instead of Fässberg (dispite of the fact that they won the SM-title) and Västerås IK. Hence all qualified teams should pay a rather high amount of money to SFF, if they should participate. The amount was too much for Fässberg, however not for Västerås IK. This was how Landskrona BoIS qualified for the first season ever of Allsvenskan. The money was payed back to the clubs soon afterwards. The main reason why Fässberg wasn't welcome in Allsvenskan was that the club lacked dressing rooms and showers for the visitors. I'm less familiar with reasons why Västerås IK also wasn't welcome. A plausible reason may be that SFF simply wanted two teams from Stockholm (AIK was qualified). Also of interest, is, like I wrote, that Allsvenskan has run for a sequence of almost 90 years, I don't think the Swiss league exceeds this. Which other national league may have been played for such a long sequence ? (Portugal ?, but not Spain due to the civil war 36-39) Also how the season shifted from autumn to spring into spring to autumn is worth mentioning, and the "Maratonallsvenskan" 1957-58 (it explain f.i. howcome Motala has played one season and 33 games in the all time table. You just removed a lot of this true facts. (no less sourced than most of the article). And back to "your" page and our unnecessary strong words, It was your comment "they were runner's up in 1937-38" - although I had explained that I'm a supporter of Landskrona BoIS - that got me really furious. But I am indeed sorry, especially since I didn't notice Your reply. Reguarding the level of English, I had or have no intention of compete with You, but there was a lot of Swedish here at your talk page, that I happened to notice during my first visit here (And like I stated, I had never seen any user with higher ranking than native before, but I've now noticed that You are far from alone). Reply to your last comment - I have certainly not made any complaints on your "academical style". I might be a bit worried though, when a user that has made hundreds of edits in an article, stands by a notable error, like "Landskrona BoIS was runner's up 1937/38" (dispite what I wrote from scratch), then there actually is a severe hazard for lots of other errors. Especially since the article is almost free of references and other sources. You have to agree with me in that argumentaion, I hope. However I don't believe that it's the case here. But I fail to see need of the aggregated city vs city table (that's why I added also teams with no gold), doubt if such comparission exist in other article of leagues. But I am truely sorry if You have You felt Yourself offended by my previous answer, and I can understand if that has been the case. I think I changed the "Big silver" to the correct "Little silver" three or four times (including refs). So I hope You can understand some of my frustration aswell. Is my largely appology accepted ? Boeing720 (talk) 05:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

You have made 100's of edits in Allsvenskan - whithout knowing basic facts !

Goal Ratio was in use in Allsvenskan until 1939/40

I strongly suggest that You begin read Swedish Football history for a year, prior to any further changes. With Your hard line academical style (in combination with a silly barnstar collection and a 5 - proffessional level - in english self rating) Have You written any novel in the English language ? Or do you work as a journalist at Fleet Street ? I stongly doubt that ! And hence You fall far more heavier than other users. You cannot be trusted with the subject of Swedish football until You have learned to adapt manors or knowledge! Almost nothing in the Allsvenskan article is sourcered, yet You state "Landskrona BoIS became runner's up 1937/38" You were wrong !!! And do learn from this in the future ! Boeing720 (talk) 11:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually not sure whether I should laugh or cry :) What's wrong with my academical style? I'm very proud of my achievements. Where is all this attitude coming from? Now I'm interested. I find it a bit odd for someone your age to behave in this way. Also I find it a bit strong for you to criticize my linguistic skills when you yourself are clearly lacking in the same department. I never claimed that I wasn't wrong, so why are you pushing the point? I know that I probably shouldn't feed the troll, but now I'm interested. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Good morning ;) I'm the person who did most of the copyediting of Reckless182's major contribution on the English Wikipedia. That article is now a featured article. (Also thanks to several other people who improved it further when my skills ran out.) I'm also a native speaker of English. To me, the 5 rating seems entirely reasonable. He could function as a professional in a role where English was the only language used; I've had managers with worse written English. Also, the language rating someone chooses to give themselves doesn't really mean much or matter a lot.
Finally, Boeing720, your English seems markedly inferior to that of Reckless182. To "adapt manors" would mean to take an English country house and then change it to suit other purposes, as was done to a limited extent at (for example) Bletchley Park. (User:Giano or one of his entourage might be able to provide a better example.) "Adopt manners" might be closer to what you intend, but that too could have different meanings in English.
Reckless182, if your opponent here is youthful as you imply, you may wish to disengage or just not bother with them, rather than arguing. I'm sure they are very enthusiastic about their editing, and may merely have become carried away. Struck that as I don't want to appear sarcastic - hadn't seen that the person claims to be as old as in their 40's on their userpage. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks man! I know I really shouldn't bother. Loved your example. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
First of all, I admit to being unnecessary sharp in my tone, specially since You did reply "Thank you for informing me, I didn't know that in fact...". But I simply didn't notice that reply when I wrote my previous comment. Please believe me, I really didn't. I didn't know at which time goal ratio was abandoned in favor of goal difference though. But now we do know that both, and that is good, I presume and hope. (Every season prior of 1940/41 needs a change, and the goal difference column ought to be changed into goal ratio, or by very least removed). Further, Allsvenskan was the first and only national league (until "Superettan" was created 2000), "Svenska Serien" was divided into a north and a south league. "Allsvenskan" was created by the 6 best teams from both leagues, or this was the original intention. But Djurgården and Landskrona both came 7th in the north and the south league. But SFF wanted them in Allsvenskan instead of Fässberg (dispite of the fact that they won the SM-title) and Västerås IK. Hence all qualified teams should pay a rather high amount of money to SFF, if they should participate. The amount was too much for Fässberg, however not for Västerås IK. This was how Landskrona BoIS qualified for the first season ever of Allsvenskan. The money was payed back to the clubs soon afterwards. The main reason why Fässberg wasn't welcome in Allsvenskan was that the club lacked dressing rooms and showers for the visitors. I'm less familiar with reasons why Västerås IK also wasn't welcome. A plausible reason may be that SFF simply wanted two teams from Stockholm (AIK was qualified). Also of interest, is, like I wrote, that Allsvenskan has run for a sequence of almost 90 years, I don't think the Swiss league exceeds this. Which other national league may have been played for such a long sequence ? (Portugal ?, but not Spain due to the civil war 36-39) Also how the season shifted from autumn to spring into spring to autumn is worth mentioning, and the "Maratonallsvenskan" 1957-58 (it explain f.i. howcome Motala has played one season and 33 games in the all time table. You just removed a lot of this true facts. (no less sourced than most of the article). And back to "your" page and our unnecessary strong words, It was your comment "they were runner's up in 1937-38" - although I had explained that I'm a supporter of Landskrona BoIS - that got me really furious. But I am indeed sorry, especially since I didn't notice Your reply. Reguarding the level of English, I had or have no intention of compete with You, but there was a lot of Swedish here at your talk page, that I happened to notice during my first visit here (And like I stated, I had never seen any user with higher ranking than native before, but I've now noticed that You are far from alone). Reply to your last comment - I have certainly not made any complaints on your "academical style". I might be a bit worried though, when a user that has made hundreds of edits in an article, stands by a notable error, like "Landskrona BoIS was runner's up 1937/38" (dispite what I wrote from scratch), then there actually is a severe hazard for lots of other errors. Especially since the article is almost free of references and other sources. You have to agree with me in that argumentaion, I hope. However I don't believe that it's the case here. But I fail to see need of the aggregated city vs city table (that's why I added also teams with no gold), doubt if such comparission exist in other article of leagues. But I am truely sorry if You have You felt Yourself offended by my previous answer, and I can understand if that has been the case. I think I changed the "Big silver" to the correct "Little silver" three or four times (including refs). So I hope You can understand some of my frustration aswell. Is my largely appology accepted ? Boeing720 (talk) 05:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

(Sorry for putting this reply at wrong location) Boeing720 (talk) 05:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

About "academical style" - I'm once again a bit sorry. But the centance was related to how You rejected first my edits in the history file, not to Your way of editing, but of cource I see now that that one was easy to misunderstand. I have written some suggestions in the talk page of the article by the way. They are in no way related to You - but they do include some of my history part, that You rejected. But please do not take the proposals as some kind of offence. I really think that issues like when f.i. goal ratio was in use, and all other changes of rules (on paper or at the pitch) is called for. Boeing720 (talk) 07:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I too admit that I was a bit harsh with my first response to your edit, I was 99% sure I was right but unfortunately I wasn't, and I'm sorry for being harsh. However you continuously started to "attack" me and crossed the line and made things personal, I did not appreciate that. However, I accept you apology and I hope that it won't happen again. I noticed that you made some edits to the Allsvenskan article, some which were reverted. Don't take this the wrong way, however I would advise you to bring up and discuss your proposed changes (like you did at first at the talk page) and reach a consensus before reinforcing the changes. Also make sure that you always use proper references when you are making a claim, such as Allsvenskan being the longest running league. You seem to have a lot of information to share, I think you could become an important and appreciated editor if you just followed the editing process. Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 00:28, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm really sorry for have crossed the border, at where You felt it personal. But to have gone that far I really didn't intend to do. I was frustrated in general (of the extreme late awarding of the Big silver to Landskrona BoIS :) ). Then the minor stuff kind of "grew up" in my mind aswell. I've noticed before that this things happens once in a while all over Wikipedia - but wouldn't if the same subjects had been discussed over the telephone instead. I really thought that I had understood that part, and therefore NOT should have acted as I did. And as it seems that I'm the older one of us, which makes it even more embarrassing for me. I have to take the larger blame of this stupid incident, and I am glad to see that You accept my appology. All the best, and sorry once again. Boeing720 (talk) 06:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC) Post Scriptum. I've commented the 90 year long intermission free sequence at the talk page, including "investigations" of possible leagues.
Great! Let's put this behind us and move on. The Allsvenskan article really needs improvements overall so I appreciate your effort in suggesting changes! I currently do not have the time for a project that large, also I am committed to other projects when I do get the time off. But I'll be sure to keep an eye on the article and see if I can find some time to improve it further down the road. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:41, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

2013–14 Svenska Cupen

Hi, I just read a bit about 2013–14 Svenska Cupen and I think we need to clarify how the gualifiation for European competitions work. As it is now it does not say anything about the difference of the winner already being qualified for CL or EL and it seems to be a difference according to [11]. The reason I am asking you is both that I am tired (perhaps I have read the article or the rules wrong) and I am having a hard time trying to form new sentences explaining the qualification. Do you think it needs clarifying? QED237 (talk) 22:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey
The article currently says: "The winners of the competition will earn a place in the second qualifying round of the 2014–15 UEFA Europa League, if they have not already qualified for European competition; if so then the runners-up will instead qualify for the first qualifying round of the competition and the team having finished third in the 2013 Allsvenskan will enter the second qualifying round instead of the first qualifying round and their respective berth will be passed down to the fourth team in the league.". Isn't this enough? :) --Reckless182 (talk) 22:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Is it true or am Imissing something? Only if the winner has qualified for CL the runner-up goes to EL and if the winner has qualified for EL then the place goes to team from 2013 Allsvenskan, now it says the place will always go to the runners-up which is not the case if the winner has qualified for EL. QED237 (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
That's true! It's fairly complicated. Should I do something about it or do you want to? --Reckless182 (talk) 23:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I am to tired to make such "complicated" procedure in writing tonight, it would only be a mess, so if you want to do it feel free. Otherwise I would have to do it tomorrow if I haven't forgotten it by then. QED237 (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Alright! I added a paragraph from the Svenska Cupen article and changed it slightly. I'm not sure if it's suitable to have the entire qualification explanation in the lead though. It might serve the reader better to have a smaller version of it in the 2013–14 article and then refer to the Svenska Cupen article or a subsection for the entire explanation. Something like "The winners of the competition will earn a place in the second qualifying round of the 2014–15 UEFA Europa League, if they have not already qualified for European competition; if so the qualification spot will go to another team depending on a number of factors." You could link "a number of factors" to the full explanation. What do you think? --Reckless182 (talk) 23:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
That sounds really good, I think we should try and keep the lead short so eplanation at an other place sounds great. Perhaps a subsection is better than referring to another article, especially sine the number of teams in different rounds can change. As it is now Sweden has CW, and 2nd in second round and 3rd in first round. Just a final question sine we have second place in seond round isn't it a bit wrong in and the runner-up of Allsvenskan will go into the second qualifying (should be third plaed team?) and qualified for the first qualifying round of the Europa League by finishing as runner-up or third place in Allsvenskan (should only be third?). QED237 (talk) 00:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Alright. I'm fairly sure I got it right now. I made the changes that you suggested. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Now it sounds great, good job. Sorry if I have been a bit "demanding" :). QED237 (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
No worries. The demands for more and better understanding are what makes us better at what we do! --Reckless182 (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Lagerbäck

When you got the time please take a look at Filippa Lagerbäcks article that I created today.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:14, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

==Heberlein==

Hi, take a look at Ann Heberlein. A article I created a few days ago. Thanks--BabbaQ (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Rubén Palazuelos

Hi there R182, AL "here",

congratulations on that masters degree! Now, for a small favour if you can: don't know how's your Finnish, but i've contacted already two users and they seem to either have abandoned WP or have gone on a (very) extended wikibreak.

In this player's article, could you check references #3 through #5 and provide a translation for the Finnish references? It'll only take you a minute or so. I'm leaving WP for good in July, would like to see this "business" taken care of.

All the best, thank you in advance --AL (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey AL!
I would like to help you, but unfortunately I don't speak Finnish. I would recommend talking to League Octopus. Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Will do so ;) thanks a million! --AL (talk) 19:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

You left no meaasge

After Your allegation of POV at article Landskrona BoIS (one of quite a few that I currently am improving. To a certain limit, I could agree with You. References should be made at time of editing. But when it becomes revealed that a small town club have a capital of -10.000.000 SEK at an approx. annual turnover of perhaps 15-20 million , that really is a disaster. Also two relegations in a row as a result of the economy is disastrous. What label would You prefer ? But I have now changed that headline. And there are now references to all parts of the article that "I'm responsable for" (my edits). Attempting to improve the prosa doesn't equal POV. Many sport related articles tend to mainly use tables and diagrams combined with very dry statement stacking. Although I'm indeed very interested of statistics myself, a good written football club article must contain parts of (NPOW, well sourced, of couce) stories, rather than stack data only. Infact this is a demand in featured articles, and in line with what for instance Jimmy Wales stated at the Scandinavian talk-show Skavlan. (He called for more female editors, just because he wanted less of statement stacking and more of prosa, which he believed that women often do better) Anyway, if You (still) can exemplify Your POV allegations, please do so at the talk page of Landskrona BoIS. I'm sorry to have dropped this here, but You wrote nothing at the talk page. And hence here I am, so to speak. Best reg. Boeing720 (talk) 15:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I've written several featured pieces of work, so I am quite aware of the recommendations. There are still numerous examples of POV in the article (certainly enough to grant a POV template at the top of the article to warn readers). If I would choose a few examples of the many there are:
  • You changed "Return of the king" to "Return of "Kung Sune"", don't you see how POV this is? Even though that was his nickname we shouldn't use it in a section title.
  • "Financial disaster" is POV, it may have been a disaster for the club and its supporter, but certainly not for everyone else. I would put "Financial troubles" or "Financial difficulties" instead since it is more neutral and more factual instead of an opinion.
  • Small stuff like "The biggest star in BoIS at this point was", "this time they had their first real manager", "The transfer caused a little trouble", "A successful period", "In autumn of 1978, the club got into problems", "At this time, whithin Swedish football, a dissmissal of a manager in the middle of a season was a rare event.", "Landskrona BoIS was back at a "decent" tier"....I could go on for ages, but you get the point. These are all opinions, and opinions don't belong in an encyclopaedic text. Statements like these should be as neutral as possible and factual.
I'm re-inserting the POV template until sentences like these are removed. I'm only trying to what is best in this case. Since I don't have time to edit the article myself I'm warning the reader that the article is POV at the same time as I am encouraging other editors to step in and fix these problems. Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 16:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Admin help requested for Boeing720's behavior

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding User:Boeing720's repeated reverts to our edits. The thread is Behavior of Boeing720 at Landskrona BoIS. Thank you. — Swedishpenguin | Talk 14:42, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

New contributions

I have made further comments as the administorial page. Boeing720 (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry (truely ment) Your ref tags causes errors. Cannot solve it. Please read.

[1] Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).: 47–48 </ref>

Please note - I could have thrown them away, but appriciate there is some time behind. Sorry that I cannot get them right.
I've used both Swedish and English text to the sources. I understand that there are advantages (but not which) with ::this for me unfamiliar way of dealing with sources. I really have tried to maintain them, but I could not get rid of ::the ref-tag-error. For this i am truely Sorry.
But this I don't get 1. Why keep on with [citation needed] - only due to Your own added conclutions. In combination with
statements like 2. "Trust me, and I will make the article feutered".
But above good prosa , stands always the sources. You are also talking about you thesis. If there is a connection between this article and your thesis (in any sence, like the sources or whatever). If so, please remember that I'm not in it for the "glory" (credentials and barnstars etc). But I assume it's something else. Something I had forgotten by now. That about changing the best result ever for Landskrona BoIS between no 2 and no 3 four or five times. Then I really did miss Your appology, and wrote something I soon regretted. (even if I was right) And I am still sorry for that. I really am. Can't we put that behind us now ? I'm rather sure of that other articles about Swedish football will increase, if not at once, so after it reaches f.i. AIK (their article isn't much). My intentions (concerning Sweden-related articles) are to make them better here than at Swedish Wikipedia. I do not tell You to stay away from the article about BoIS, but wonder what to say to not annoy You any further. (if so I wouldn't have given You the complicated sources back, would I ?) Please keep in mind that I care nothing for credentials, but more for the article contence. And I think that it is quite stupid to fight over details. The other user has not been benefitial for our relationship (or what to call it) , but I would prefer peace. Boeing720 (talk) 23:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
As I've said multiple times before, I was simply restoring Swedishpenguin's version. He was the one that added the "citation needed" tags from the start, something which I supported. So I don't see why you're so angry with me when it comes to those tags? The problem I have, is that any time I edit the LandskronaBoIS article you revert my edits. From my standpoint it seems like you have a very hard time admitting when you are wrong, even now you had to include the and wrote something I soon regretted. (even if I was right), do you see what I mean? You need to let me help you work with the article, instead of just reverting any edits I make to the article, raise the issue at the talk page. I also find it quite odd that raise the issue with the "citation needed" tags since I've noticed that you yourself have used them in the past on other articles (Malmö Redhawks and Allmänna Idrottsklubben). I will not "stay away" from the Landskrona BoIS article, I will continue to try to improve it. I surely hope that we can come to an understanding here. And please, stop trying to make this personal, with my thesis I was only trying to explain why I didn't have the proper time to edit the article from the beginning, that's its, don't bring it up against me. --Reckless182 (talk) 07:21, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Boeing. Some genuine suggestions, for reference work I use a tool called "Prove it", go to preferences -> gadgets and cross the box with "Prove it" under "Editing". That tool would perhaps help you when you work with references. I worked for approximately two years to make Malmö FF a featured article, so you can see some of the reference work over there. The main problem I see with the references in the Landskrona BoIS article is that you include full text from the reference, we can't do that due to WP:COPYVIO. Lets work together to make the article better? --Reckless182 (talk) 07:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. First though, some time ago I got a suggestion to save the entire souce text - somehow. This was recommended due to the fact that extern sources moves or even vanishes. I think that was another tool. But I'm beginning to understand what You state about the "Proove it" tool, and will have a good look at it.
And indeed the MFF article is feutered. I also had a brief look at the history file, and indeed You are one heavy contibuter. May I congratulate You to this achievement ?(!!) I have just recived three photos that can be used in the article - I'm just waiting for a reply how the author want's it. But two of the shots are in my mind of a plasible commercial value. Sonny Johansson socres in the qualification game against Sandviken in 1970, and when the team at Nya Ullevi in 1978 rolled out a slogan whith the text "Rädda varven"/"Save the Shipyards" (It could indeed have been in use also in Malmö at the time, but it only works once.) The latter cased a debate "Weather sport and politics should mix ?" (The upcomming World Cup in Argentina was debated in similar way, not least by MFF's Roland Andersson) But I had mostly in mind to write a line about the IFK Götebotg home crowd gave applause to the away team. Nothing much. Objections ? Boeing720 (talk) 18:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
We are not allowed to use the entire source text, since as I explained, it violates WP:COPYVIO. A solution to dead links is simple, we can use references that refers back to an archived web page, see this for an explanation of how to do this. What do you mean by if I have any objections? I obviously have no objections to you adding perfectly free use photographs if that is what you are asking. And thank you for congratulating me on the featured article (if you are being genuine and not sarcastic), I put down a lot of hard work to get it to where it is today. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
No I'm not the least sarcastic. As I have stated, we got a very bad start. And I'm truely sorry that we have "collided". Let's forget the past. My first impression of You was not good, and I got annoyed. But I now have understood better and am sorry. You are serious, you master the English language better than me - and indeed You know the "inside" of Wikipedia. A contributing factor to the rather long time it took me to realize that, partly depended on an other user. He still seems angy with me, but has far less reason than You might have had to be angry. But as I have stated, only 0.1 % of all articles are feutered. And the history file doesn't lie. So my congratulations are indeed genuine. But I realize that I have to earn your trust.
About the pictures that I have recieved (from Landskrona Museum), the instructions were a bit unclear. I must await answer of who that is the author Landskrona Museum or photographer Anders Hilding. Bertil Persson still lives here around I got the donation goahead from himself, but Björn G Chebrell, Arkivet ("Arbetarrörelsens Arkiv" originally) chose the pictures (and added some public domain photos aswell). I don't think the Museum pictures from the 1970's will become public domain, but will be uploaded with intact copywright. Now I will probably have to wait until after Easter.I thought that I then write a long picture text, that You can rephrase, shorten down or prolong the text as You wan't, and then You can remove most of the image text. Only the main intention is importaint to me. Sources can I put at the talk page. Now I'm just about to prepare myself for the game BoIS - Syrianska. BoIS-Ljungskile 0-0 was "Oh, so very funny to watch" (:. Genuine regards Boeing720 (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
And after yet a good game by BoIS (: [this was sarcastic] unlike my [genuine] congratulations, I'm home again. A stupid question I was looking for the "Proove it" tool, but cannot even find "Preferences". (I have both "Interaction" and "Tools" expanded) I have found the "Wayback mashine" though. I'm greatful for Your help and hints. Boeing720 (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, and sorry about the game, Allsvenskan could surely benefit from a third club from Skåne, but I guess that will have to wait. You'll find "preferences" in the top right menu when you are logged in, I can send you a screenshot if you still can't find it. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh! I looked in the left column only. Thanks ! A question, that I have asked others before. And - Please do not take offence, it's a strict grammatical question, but taken from the excellent MFF-article. "The club are an open member association" - I've seen this regarding North American teams or "franchise teams". Some examples taken from Wikipedia articles "Rangers F.C. is", "Queens Park Rangers is" but "The New York Rangers are". In the case of MFF, both "The club" and "an open member association" are 3rd person singular, not ? So shouldn't the sentence be "The club is an open member association" ? In British English atleast. Again this question has bothered me for a while I have asked it before elsewhere, but without getting any replies. (reg. BoIS as of today, it's more likely that BoIS gets relegated, based on what I've seen. I'm glad it's going better for MFF, and by the way , I was at Olympia in September. I thougt at a neutral section, but I was in the middle of the MFF-support. [a bit scary, but of two evil things , one chooses the less evil... (joke)] The third goal, could I watch from a very good angle, as the ball coming right in my direction) Honnest regards Boeing720 (talk) 04:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Good that you found it. The question whether to use "is" or "are" was debated quite heavily in the featured article process. If I remember correctly now, you should use "is" when referring simply to the club as a singular entity, but "are" when referring to the club as a collection of players, thus plural. It's quite a difficult question. Perhaps I can find the debate, If I have time today I'll look for it. On the topic of BoIS, it feels like the appointment of Jörgen Pettersson might not have been the best choice? He had the position as "Anfallstränare" at Malmö FF in the 2012 season (I think?), and I had the personal impression that our offensive skills decreased during that year. But perhaps I am mistaken and BoIS problems are bigger than just a manager issue? It's quite easy being a Malmö FF supporter at the moment as you can imagine, I am very much looking forward to the cup semi-final especially. I was on the same stand that night (last year against Helsingborg) so we might have crossed paths after all. --Reckless182 (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I think I found the best example to the "is" or "are" debate. See here, look under the resolved comments from Struway2. About halfway down in the comments there is a good explanation. The best summary would be "The thing to remember, is when we look at them as a collection of individuals, we would normally use a plural noun, and if we want to look at them as a unified institution we use the singular." --Reckless182 (talk) 09:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Yet again - thanks ! Boeing720 (talk) 20:34, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
It took me some time to find the location, but You gave me good instructions. discretionary plural. But Your own (shorter) explination was enough in itself. I much appriciate Your efforts in explaining things like this. I have also read Your POV-issues regarding the headlines. As You may have noticed I split up the article into certain epochs, rather than in fixed decades. And after studied Your opinions - Yes "Return of the King" was "at the border" I thought even at original writing time. The degree of financial wasn't anything I thought of though. And the same regarding "The third Millenium". It was so to speak the endpoint of my indended contributions, at that time. (Far more are aware of the recent 15 years than a hundered years ago, and I intended to save that part to later). "A good start" (of 3rd Millenium , I have little more difficulties in understanding how You think. By BoIS-standards the first Superettan ever , in 2000, the team did well. But while chasing MFF and Djurgården in the top, Mjällby instead came from behind and "stole" the qualification. But in 2001 BoIS was/were (?) promoted, and after day 8 (after first game after the World Cup) in 2002, BoIS was in top of the table with 5 won and 3 draws after 8 games. And a crowd of 10.000+ attended the game against AIK. But OK they finished 11th. And againd 11th 2003 and 2004. Five rather goot years, in BoIS context. But in general, I see Your point. Later we perhaps can find solutions that are not POV or POVish (if it was POV, it was't deliberate). Page is still locked due to warring, of others. But is the splitting in epoches a bad thing ? I'm very willing to listen to You and in the future.
It's funny You mention that Jörgen Pettersson was "Anfallstränare" and that this seems to have been a difficult task at the time for him. But the overall problem, as I see things, the former chairman Kenneth Håkansson is the root of current general problems. When he began, in 1998, Landskrona Town council and "Fritidsnämnden" intended to cover the north stand. But he has since put a stop to all further developments of Landskrona IP as some kind of a stadium. Any step by step improvements has been out of the question. And in 2011 he and the board ignored a member bill to the annual meeting, and removed the wastern stand. And a combined VIP-resturant/auction/and other stuff-building. For people that pay ground admittance (terraces) only, good weather often means heat without shadow (it actually gets extra hot on the white concrete), and in rain there is no shelter either. He simply couldn't comprahend that worsening the spectator-facilities and atmoshpere eventually leads to lower attendances, and lower attendances leads to fewer sponsors. Between 2006 and 2013 the equity capital almost has vanished, and cutting corners have become necessary. As late as before Christmas (at a special membership meeting) , he declared that "We need an arena with 7000 seats only" (priced to 170 million SEK, of which supposedly 70% would be spent on "hospitality areas"). I believe that would been the end of BoIS, but we actually have a potential of attrahend atleast 15.000 spectators f.i. in Allsvenskan games against MFF and HIF, and an average of 7000-8000. IF we had a perfect stadium. When Bosse Larsson, Staffan Tapper, Thomas Sjöberg, Krister Kristensson and similar indeed very unpleasent persons :) [joke] MFF-players defeated BoIS at IP in 1975, 0-5 ! The attendance was 17500. If results improves, the crowds will return. And the new board have already made improvements for the attenders, and if BoIS survives this season, I think we have reached the bottom. BoIS isn't a Trelleborg FF or Falkenberg FF. Happy Easter Boeing720 (talk) 22:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Apropos the discretionary plurals: I'd just like to warn of a difference that exists between American and British English, that being that British English is far more likely to see singular nouns as plural when conjugating the verb.
  • The club is/are…: In American English, this is always "The club is". In British English, this can sometimes be "The club are". But on Liverpool F.C. and Chelsea F.C., both seem to be using "the club" with singular verbs "is/was/has"
  • The Malmö Redhaws are…: This is always plural.
  • Liverpool is/are… / Miami is/are… / Landskrona is/are…: In American English, this would pretty much always be "Landskrona is/was", though in British English, it can sometimes be. Interestingly, the article for Liverpool F.C. seems to be using singular forms ("Liverpool is/was"), and the article for Chelsea F.C. seems to use plural forms for ("Chelsea are/were").
Swedish sports articles are inconsistent regarding which form of English they use...though the football articles usually use British, especially football articles.
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Hope you find it interesting. — Swedishpenguin | Talk 09:01, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it was interesting - in the British/American sence. But "Malmö RedhawKs are" is American style because of the name "Redhawks", I suppose. Reg Chelsea F.C. , Wikipedia article states "Chelsea FC is" in the lead. Boeing720 (talk) 04:47, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it says "Chelsea Football Club is…" and then continues with "Chelsea have…", "Chelsea are…". Other articles state "Aberdeen Football Club are…" and "Dundee United Football Club is…". It's very inconsistent and doesn't seem to be based on any particular logic.
  1. ^ Andersson, Torbjörn. "Landskrona - Sveriges starkaste fotbollsfäste?" (PDF). Sveriges idrottshistoriska föreningen.

IFK Göteborg kit

Hej!

Jag skulle vilja be om en tjänst. Skulle du kunna uppdatera IFK Göteborgs hemmatröja? I år har en krage tillkommit och jag är osäker på hur man ändrar det. Här finns en bild.

// Mattias321 (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Hej! Ska kolla på det under dagen om jag får tid. Filerna ligger på Wikipedia Commons och är indelade under left arm, body, right arm, shorts och socks. Här ligger bilden. Om du har tid så skulle du bara kunna pröva dig fram på paint. Jag brukar klippa och klistra från andra tröjor med liknande layots för att sedan jobba lite mer med detaljerna så att det ser perfekt ut. Svårare än så brukare inte jag göra det :) --Reckless182 (talk) 08:41, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Sådär, fixat! Vad tycks? Lite småjobbigt med ärmarna, du får säga till om du vill ändra på det. Jag kan maila över paint filerna om det skulle vara så att du vill göra det själv. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Det blir skitbra! Tack! // Mattias321 (talk) 14:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit Warring at 2014 Malmö FF season

Hi Reckless182. First, let me start with saying thank you for all your great contributions to Wikipedia. Next, let me warn you that you have violated the three revert rule at 2014 Malmö FF season. While you may be attempting to enforce the flag policy, that is not an exception to 3RR. Please cease reverting, and move to the talk page to discuss the aesthetics of the article. I've given the same warning to the IP. Best, Tiptoety talk 01:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I missed your warning to 90.231.59.159 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), and seeing as they have continued after being warned I have blocked them. Tiptoety talk 01:20, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
First, excuse me, I stepped over the line there. Thank you for your help! I tried reasoning with him in the edit summaries but received some personal attacks. I'll try discussing with him on the talk page when he comes back, which I'm sure he will since he jumped IPs several times last night. But I highly doubt that he will listen to reason based on his behaviour, I'll give it a try though. Can I revert the article to its original condition now that he's been blocked or what do you suggest I should do? --Reckless182 (talk) 07:20, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd suggest not reverting, at least for now. I'd suggest posting to the Flag userproject talk page (or community portal, or whatever) asking for another set of eyes, or posting at WP:3O. It would be preferable to get a second opinion and form consensus to support your preferred version. Being that the article is not destroyed if the edit stands, I would wait at least another 24 hours before you consider reverting the IP yourself. Tiptoety talk 12:18, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Alas, inconsistent advice (like, whether 3O is a good course of action). A bane we sometimes see on WP. Well, I hope the ANI is helpful to you. Otherwise you might keep WP:EWN in mind. And if User:DenSportgladeSkåningen is using IPs for the editing, then WP:SPI may help. Thanks to @Tiptoety: for the help! – S. Rich (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Srich32977, sure no problem. Might I ask what advice you found inconsistent? Tiptoety talk
To bring up the problem on 3O (where I came across the issue). That feature wants discussion where the disagreement is laid-out and the third person can come in to help resolve. In this case we had the IPs just reverting w/out discussion. (Perhaps inconsistent was the wrong adjective.) In any event, thanks for doing the indef. More importantly, thanks for your patience with Reckless, who can now move on (hopefully without IP nterference) and continue to help on the Project. – S. Rich (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Ukjent Malmö FF-spiller?

Hei, er en norsk Malmö FF-spiller, Ståle Andersen, som mangler artikkel på engelsk. Det er en på norsk og italiensk, men har problemer med å finne gode kilder til den. Jeg kan ikke finne bevis for at han har spilt kamper for Malmö FF, men han er relevant (spilt i norsk toppserie), og ser ut til å ha vært knyttet til Malmö FF fra 1988 til 1990. Grrahnbahr (talk) 23:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look in my books during the weekend! --Reckless182 (talk) 07:32, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey. After checking my references, I can say for sure that he has at least never played a league match for Malmö FF. Unfortunataly I don't have the yearbooks from 1988 to 1990 so I can't say if did appear in any other matches. Good luck! --Reckless182 (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

A user have suggested my use of a non-English laguage is breaking the take page guidelines, so following is a translation of the headline and my first post: "Unknown Malmö FF-player: Hi, there is a Norwegian Malmö FF-player, Ståle Andersen, who do not have his own article at [wikipedia in] English. There are one in Norwegian and one in Italian, but do ahve problems finding adequate sources for it. I can't find proves for him having played any matches for Malmö FF, but he is notable ([he's] played in the Norwegian PL)m and seems to have been attached to Malmö FF between 1988 through 1990."

Thank you for having digged into it anyway. Grrahnbahr (talk) 22:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I had no problem understanding your Norwegian :) It does seem weird that he was at the club for two seasons without ever playing a league match though. Give me a shout if you actually find some references for him. Good luck again. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I've listed som links here:

Kosovo players

Hej!

Vilket land tycker du att spelare som Loret Sadiku och Ardian Gashi ska stå listade som? Både har ju representerat Kosovo i officiella landskamper, så på så sätt borde det vara listade som spelare för Kosovo, men samtidigt är de ju inte "låsta" till Kosovo eftersom de inte spelar tävlingsfotboll. Detta göra att Gashi lätt kan spela för Norge igen och Sadiku för Sverige. // Mattias321 (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Jag skulle lista dom under Kosovo så länge det är FIFA landskamper (för det är det väl?). Lite av samma dilemma för spelare som representerar ett landslag som ungdom och sedan ett annat som senior, ett exempel är Pawel Cibicki som har representerat Polen som ungdom, han kan potentiellt byta till Sverige i framtiden, där har jag listat honom som Polsk i och med att det var det senaste landslaget han representerade. --Reckless182 (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, tack! Men spelare som till exempel William Atashkadeh som har varit uttagen i Irans landslag, men inte spelat för dem än. Den senaste landslagsmatchen han gjorde var för Sveriges U19. Då ska väl han stå listad som svensk och inte som iranier? // Mattias321 (talk) 21:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Ja det stämmer. --Reckless182 (talk) 21:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

M.Sc.

Congratulations on your M.Sc.
, --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
How kind of you, thank you very much! --Reckless182 (talk) 21:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Cristina Scuccia

Could you please take a look at the article Cristina Scuccia for me. For structure, spelling etc. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Kiese Thelin in 2014 season?

Hej igen!

Jag är lite fundersam till varför du lade till Isaac Kiese Thelin i listan över spelare som anslöt till MFF under 2014 års säsong. Borde man inte vänta med att lägga till honom i artikeln om MFF:s säsong 2015? Han ansluter ju till Malmö FF inför säsongen 2015, även om värvningen skedde nu i sommar. Jag funderade lite hur jag skulle göra med Ludwig Augustinsson som blev klar för FCK i dagarna, men ansluter först i vinter. Jag har valt att strunta i att lägga till hans övergång i artikeln om IFK Göteborgs säsong 2014, utan väntar till 2015 istället. // Mattias321 (talk) 18:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Kom att tänka på det nu också faktiskt. Om han ansluter till vintern så har du helt rätt att han tillhör han 2015 artikeln. Nu verkar det som att man jobbar på att genomföra övergången redan till sommaren, så tills vidare låter jag övergången ligga där. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Ok, då förstår jag! // Mattias321 (talk) 09:48, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Gynning

Please take a look at the Carolina Gynning article when you got time for it! Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:53, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

A few things

Hej!

Idag åker jag iväg och kommer tillbaka om två och en halv vecka, närmare bestämt 29 juli. Jag skulle uppskatta ifall du kunde hålla ordning på övergångarna i Allsvenskan och kanske även i Superettan (om du har tid såklart) medan jag är borta och se till så att folk inte ändrar förrän 15 juli då transferfönstret öppnar osv. Trevlig sommar! // Mattias321 (talk) 13:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Alright! Jag håller koll och gör ändringar i den mån som jag hinner med. Ha en trevlig semester! --Reckless182 (talk) 13:34, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Fb rbr t pos Sweden11/c

I hope you realize that by changing Template:Fb rbr t pos Sweden11/c you have changed the colouring in 2010 Allsvenskan, 2011 Allsvenskan, 2012 Allsvenskan, 2013 Allsvenskan, and 2014 Allsvenskan. not just 2014 Allsvenskan. Frietjes (talk) 16:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I didn't think of that, thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll take a look and see if I can find a proper solution later. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Fixed now --Reckless182 (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Question about Malick Mané

Do you have a source on his signing for the Central Coast Mariners? 144.137.39.104 (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Here is an official source from IFK Göteborg, unfortunately in Swedish. It's a season long loan until the summer of 2015, not a permanent signing. --Reckless182 (talk) 13:33, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Your edit has caused quite a stir in Australia on twitter, the club was planning on a big announcement in the morning (it is midnight here) but you putting the news on Wikipedia has made all the fans and press in on the big secret! 144.137.39.104 (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Haha wow! Sorry to spill the beans. IFK Göteborg actually released that piece of news yesterday (23th of July), but since I didn't have the time to be on Wikipedia at the time I didn't update the article until now. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

History of MFF

Hi Reckless! Dispite of the weather have I made a contribution to the History of Malmö FF-article. You better have a correcting look at it someday (aswell as of an article of Jan-Ove Kinnvall). It's entirely about the only event when I really have had strong feelings for MFF. The 1978-79 European Cup. Hope You have a nice summer Boeing720 (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the addition. I'll take a look later tonight. Jan-Olov Kinnvall already has an article (I'm aware that there are different view on how to spell his name). I hope you are having a nice and relaxing summer as well. --Reckless182 (talk) 16:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh! Sorry, I actually remebered Kinnvall as "Jan-Ove".(and UEFA just stated "Kinnvall"). I expected You would remove what Tommy Engstand said, but is was something very close to that. I didn't really cared to mention the name of the newspaper. At television (SVT and TV4) they so often refer to "DN-debatt", that it strongly disturb me. All the best 83.249.160.125 (talk) 01:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Oh! Sorry Boeing720 (talk) 01:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
It would be perfectly fine to mention Engstrands commentary, but for something so specific we would definitely need a proper reference. If you can find a source I would want to include it in the text as it added "something extra". You probably also noticed that I toned down the language somewhat so that it was more neutral and encyclopaedic. For example, "After a 1-2 defeat away, a very memorable return match began bad as the Polish side scored in the 58:th minute.", in this sentence it is difficult to provide references for the fact that the match was "memorable", it probably was from many of the spectators standpoint, but it is very hard to find any references that it was indeed "memorable". And even though "began bad" is true from a Malmö FF standpoint, it isn't true from the standpoint of a Wisla supporter or a neutral fan, so those examples should be avoided. I was a little bit unsure of "After an unusually cold winter", this would probably benefit from a supporting reference, do you think you can find one? Other than that I think that the text is perfectly fine. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:15, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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History of MFF , 1931 to 1943

Hello again Reckless! I've written about the 1930's (the scope You (?) have done). I've attempted to avoid thing You obviously dislike (though You may dislike some of it anyhow), but apart from lacking sources I hope it's of help. I think references regarding Eric Persson and his antipathy towards IFK Malmö can be found. It must be so, it was very common knowledge at the end of his time (which I remember). I've also found a very good photo for the next section. However I'm not quite sure of how to get this nice colour photo. But it exists at Danish Wikipedia, and seems stored there. https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6_FF#mediaviewer/Fil:Malm%C3%B6_FF_1944.jpg Just copy it ? I think You know better how to do. It would fit in very well somewhere I think. Cheers - and best luck, in the return against Sparta Prag Boeing720 (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Perrelli

I have worked to improve the Charlotte Perrelli article today. If you can find any further improvements, that would be appreciated! :)--BabbaQ (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I'm really sorry for the way I've been neglecting your requests for the past months. I wrote my master thesis in the spring and I have been working during the summer. I've basically just had time to do regular maintenance work on here (such as updating football stats etc.). The article looks very good, I'll see if I can come up with some suggestions for further improvements later today. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Landskrona BoIS

Hello, I need some help with the Landskrona BoIS article, which the user Boeing720 seems to be vandalizing again. He is using poor English, seems unable to take criticism and is claiming that I'm the one who is vandalizing the article. The user is blocked from the Swedish wikipedia under several different nicknames. --Gryf (talk) 09:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

What word may I have spelled wrong ? What criticism do You refer to ? You have not written anything at the talk-page. The depth of English Wikipedia is about 10-12 times of the Swedish one. You simply have to begin to use talk-pages, Gryf. Regarding Landskrona BoIS I have some hopes that this article sometime someday will pass a "good reading" status. This requieres help, but not quite of the kind You keep on adding. Just filling on with list after list that lackes encyclopedical value isn't what the article needs. And You only focus is on the period after 2000. Please compare with other similar articles before You make complaints. And, since You mention it, my relation to a certain administrator in Stockholm has nothing to do with this issue and it goes as far back as 2009. You have not contacted me once, nore responded at the talk-page (or Your own, Gryf. I have given You some suggestions). Boeing720 (talk) 04:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys. I just need some time to get a clearer picture of the disagreement you're in. What is the major source of disagreement, the list of players and seasons? For those two I can clarify that a list of notable players needs clear criteria, see here for an example. Of course the criteria needs to be adjusted for the level of the club, but generally a certain number of matches and some sort of "hall of fame" inclusion are good criteria. Also remember that for a player to be included in such lists he needs to be notable for a Wikipedia article in the first place, thus fulfilling the WP:NFOOTBALL criteria. A full list of seasons is also not appropriate for the club article, that should be moved to a separate list, see List of Malmö FF seasons for a good example of a sourced season list. Please tell me if you have any other disagreements. If I have some time I can generate a complete report on the issues of the Landskrona BoIS article if you would like? --Reckless182 (talk) 10:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I've written an extensive review on all the issues concerning the article here. --Reckless182 (talk) 13:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I've answered under the talk-page. Agree in most parts aswell as in general. For avoidance of further possible warring, I again urge contibutors to use the talk-page. Just using the edit summary isn't always enough. The "Player and goal of the year" list, has after its added reference become even more hesitant to me, since Sabola appears to be a gentlemens club "herrklubb". Anyone can start up a such assembly, and awarding whoever whatever. Has Sabola given some kind of medals to the awarded players ? I've frankly never heared about them. Black and White has been the supporter club of BoIS since -94 (unformally since -93). In the so called "VIP-bar" at IP the following is accepted (according to a fairly large sign). 1. Sponsors, 2. Members, 3. Black&White members and 4. persons with annual ticket subscriptions. Nothing is mentioned about Sabola. Boeing720 (talk) 23:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the season-list, we have (so far) - I , Gryf and possibly someother come so far that we have a complete list from 1924/25. It's not yet presented as good as MFF's. Only details for the division 3 season in 1985 is lacking. Some comments are located after the list, but after I had a look at the MFF-season list, I can see the advantages by beginning with comments as a lead. (But we're a long way from a featured article...) I'm currently working with articles of notable players. I have a strong (but somewhat natural) feeling that older stars becommes forgotten, and more recent ones much easily becomes "awarded" notability. Boeing720 (talk) 23:28, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

After a sleepless night

Like I've stated before, we got a very bad start. But I though all that was behind us. I wrote two minor contributions on the History of Malmö FF page. After the second one, You never gave me any response at all. I thought nothing about it then. Did I offend You by mentioning that Malmö FF colour photo stored at Danish Wikipedia ? Or what ? You did change your tune towards me again. But if it's about an other contributor, then we (You and I) are almost in agreement. And You are even in lesser agreement with that other user, than what I am. You very suddenly almost came storming in at the talk-page of Landskrona BoIS article, and began to give me hard criticism, although I wanted to get rid of uncyclopedical stuff, i.o.w. the listings. An other user that never ever had used the talk-page but still began warring over changes, then "came running to You". After that You have began pick on me alone. Why ? "I'm supposedly difficult", and "had called for Your input - after all" (which though was fine, I'm just saying I didn't call for it).

Regarding Landskrona BoIS I think it ought to be stripped from "notable players", "last ten seasons" and all lists that begin in year 2000, including "Saibo" and attendances. However IF "notable players" remain, it has to be well balanced through history. But I really think it should go, it's an impossible task to get a short, encyklopedical and un-biased such list. Boeing720 (talk) 08:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Boeing. I have absolutely nothing against you personally. Regarding your second addition to the History of Malmö FF article I first didn't have the time, then I ended up forgetting it for a while. I do lots of stuff on Wikipedia and I've had a very hectic work schedule. I thank you for addition to that article and I will take a look at it sooner or later. Regarding the Landskrona BoIS article, I've wholeheartedly done my best to give you my suggestions for the improvement of the article. I've also given my honest opinion regarding your work and I can say it again if you want to. You work very hard to increase the length of the Landskrona BoIS, you make a lot of additions that are valuable and could be rewritten into something good. But the quality of your work is lacking in language, grammar and as I've stated before, lacking a neutral point of view. You also seem to make up your own rules for inclusion instead of what Wikipedia advices us to do. However, what disappoints me the most is that you seem to be unable to take criticism, instead you take it on a personal level as your post above again indicates. That's what I meant when I said that you are acting in a difficult manner. You need to let go of your own prestige and let other people help you. Otherwise the article is never going to improve. I believe that your are in the danger zone for administrative action if you continue to "defend" the article as your own as you've been doing. My one and only goal on Wikipedia is to improve the articles, Landskrona BoIS included. At the moment you are behaving in a way that makes it very difficult for me and other editors to improve the article. The question stand as such, are you willing to help us or do you want to continue your fight against us? --Reckless182 (talk) 08:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for Your reply. After our first tragic meetings, I have always concidered You as a very good contibuter, which I have respect for. Also regarding Landskrona BoIS. Recently have I not made any major contributions to the article text, and not for a long time either. I have though aimed to prepare the article for a future possible "good reading" review. And I've written a few stubbish articles about notable players. However, in general, I do not think there is a call for all the lists (within the scope of the main article). At talk-pages I do not always use dictionary help. In articles I'm more careful. I'm not a master of ideomatic English, to that I can agree. I also can take criticism that is correct, but I must reject Your statement about "changing rules". I've never made any such rules. OK I added "Exceptional achievements", since IF a "notable players list" must exist, I feel we have to acknowledge a player like Leif Carlsen. And also former World Cup players that even I havn't heared about. I didn't create the list nor it's criteria. Just making up criteria seem unencyklopedical to me. I do not understand your accusation about "defending" the article. Nor that it belongs to me. It's especially difficult to understand this if You refer to the last week or so. And I do agree to the guidelines to which You have contibuted very well. What puzzles me, is that You are picking on me but not the other contributer, who protect his own contributions by default, it seems to me. The "herrklubb" Saibo list(the link clearly shows that Saibo themselves label themselves as "herrklubb"), the notable player list (and Rasmus Lindgren whithin that perticular scope, remember I'm against the list), latest year list (I cut it down to "last ten years" - but would rather removed it entirelly.) etc. I have not made any changes to the text. But if I can get Landskrona Museum agree to some kind of copyleft licence there is the "Nya Ullevi - Rädda Varven" to wright about. (It can be done anyway, but can also wait). I appriciate You having lot of other things to do, and please do not believe that I'm not listening to Your advices. However the criticism the other user has given me, is in general disregarded from my part, I could take some details but I presume You understand anyway. He is obviously angry, have had many articles removed (not by me or at my request), I petty him, and I wanted to cheer him up with a task (I assumed he had access to "SvFF årsböcker"). This he got all wrong, sadly. Is he a personal friend of Yours ? I think he is an article-guard if any. Atleast regarding the parts he has contributed to. But which we both appear to find unencyklopedical. I've compared with both MFF and some English club articles (with atleast "good reading" status). Finally - it has never been a secret that I'm banned at Swedish Wikipedia. (Then I had chosen a different alias here, wouldn't I ?) By 2009 the ceiling was extremely low at the Swedish Wikipedia, and changing "Berlins pendeltåg" to "Berlins S-Bahn" in the Berlin article was quite sufficient to be labeled as a "vandal". At this Wikipedia I have edited under my name, and from a Commons accont like "Aviator Pontus", some IP's and from January 2012 under current alias. I've never been a "sock-puppet" by using two alias in the same article. Here is my e-mail, by the way pontus.eriksson4@comhem.se. All the best - and I am listening to Your advices aswell as others. I think Steua Bukarest or Apoel Nicisia (Cypriotic football has improved a lot lately) would have been difficult, the Belarus or Bulgarian possibly easier. However Good Luck with Salzburg, it's a very pleasant and interesting city, by the way. Boeing720 (talk) 21:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but

did You somehow Thank me for contributions to the Landskrona BoIS article at that article or at my talk-page ? The notification indicates this. Perhaps I'm stupid, but I cannot find it. Except by pressing the notification button. If it was unintentional, please just disregard from this message. No problem. But if it was intentional not then I'm puzzeled (but glad and honnoured), I just don't know yet. Sorry for this Boeing720 (talk) 01:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I thanked you for the edit. Why are you surprised? I have stated in the past that I wanted to remove the section. As I've stated before, Wikipedia is nothing personal for me, I judge the edits, not the editors behind them. --Reckless182 (talk) 03:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Please don't missunderstand me. But there is no registed entry from You at either the talk-page of BoIS or my own (history files). Of course, without doubts I'm very certain that You are fair in your "judgements" such as this. I'm truely honnoured, It would be nice to read it though. Or is it a kind of thanks, that only becomes visible under the notification button ? I almost missed it. Please excuse me, I'm not aware of all "technical stuff" at Wikipedia. Sorry for this inconvenience. And thanks again. Boeing720 (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
You are correct, it essentially is only visible under the Notifications button, it does not appear on a talk page anywhere. The software feature involved is described at WP:THANK. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:36, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the explination, sorry for my question and every possible inconvenience this may have caused. Like I wrote I almost missed it, since I got 2 new notifications. And I'm of cource glad. Boeing720 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Update on Landskrona BoIS' homes.

Hi Reckless! I've cerated an article about "Banan", and shortened down in BoIS-article. However when I tied to do the same with Landskrona IP (in BoIS article) suddenly I see everything (almost) as related to the club, an exception is the apperance of the Crown Prince. You put this talk on Your review. Could You possibly spare some time, to see what can be done about it ? When You are up to it and have the time ofcource. Boeing720 (talk) 01:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles to create

Tjena!

Jag har de sista två veckorna börjat skapa artiklar till "notable" spelare i de allsvenska klubbarna och jag har hittills hunnit med 17 stycken. De skulle dock vara bra om du kunde hjälpa till lite (om du har tid förstås). Här finns en lista på alla de spelare som behöver en artikel. Fortsatt trevlig helg! // Mattias321 (talk) 21:58, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

PS. Vet du förresten vad som egentligen krävs för att en liga ska räknas som "fully professional" och där spelarna alltså blir "notable"? Gränsen känns lite luddig och det känns lite konstigt att Irlands och Bosniens höstaligor inte är "fully professional", medan till exempel Sydafrikas och Albaniens två högsta ligor är det. Bör inte Superettan också betraktas som "fully professional" då, och i så fall från när? Enligt SvFF:s representationsbestämmelser 2014 så måste spelare från Allsvenskan ner till Division 2 ha ett registrerat gällande spelaravtal, men nog bör väl inte Division 1 och 2 betraktas som proffsligor? Och när ska man egentligen börja betrakta Allsvenskan som en proffsliga?

Hej! Jag har haft ganska mycket att göra dom senaste veckorna (månaderna egentligen). När jag får tid över så ska jag se vad jag kan göra. När det gäller "fully professional" så handlar det om att klubben har heltidskontrakt med spelarna i A laget. Samtliga lag i Superettan har inte det vad jag vet, tror bara att det är runt hälften, resten kör på deltidsavtal, dvs. spelarna har andra jobb vid sidan om fotbollen. Detsamma gäller Irlands och Bosniens ligor. Allsvenskan förbjud professionella betalda spelare fram till 1960 talet någon gång (exakt år finns i någon av MFF artiklarna), så egentligen var inte ligan professionell innan dess. Jag är osäker på vad reglerna säger om notability där. Däremot var inte Engelska ligan heller professionell i början, och det finns ändå massvis med spelartiklar från dom tidigare åren. Luddiga regler minst sagt. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Absolut! Känn ingen stress i att du måste skapa några artiklar, gör det bara om du har tid över. Bra att du förklarar lite närmare vad "fully professional" egentligen innebär. Dock känns det fortfarande ganska luddigt som sagt. Varför har som jag tidigare skrev ex. Albaniens och Sydafrikas näst högsta ligor status som de? Jag betvivlar starkt att alla lag där har heltidskontrakt med sina spelare. Man kanske borde slänga iväg en fråga på WikiProject Football? Trevlig helg! // Mattias321 (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Schysst, jag har haft en hel del att göra arbetsmässigt och privat, har till och med haft svårt att hinna med det som jag faktiskt brukar göra, dvs uppdatera MFF artiklar och Allsvenskan artikeln, har inte haft tid alls att skriva på andra artiklar som jag verkligen vill förbättra. Ja det hela låter väldigt tveksamt, kan inte tänka mig att det stämmer. Gör du så! Vidarebefodra gärna om du får något svar. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:19, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi

If you find time for it please take a look at the article Långholmens spinnhus. That I created some time ago. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I hope the link I just put in to my edit of the Malmö Stadion page helps. Also, the link now before mine (#30) shows that the venue used was the Malmö Stadion.HoldenV8 (talk) 09:04, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Halmstads BK

Hej

Ser att du tagit bort ändringar/tillägg som jag gjort på Halmstads BK:s engelska wikisida. Hur kommer sig detta? Att du tar bort tredjedivisionens framgångar köper jag, efter din förklaring. Men varför ta bort alla ändringar? Varför ta bort länksidorna till de olika säsongerna i andradivisionen? Varför ta bort en förstaplacering i andradivisionen? Varför ta bort andraplaceringarna i nämnda division? Varför ta bort finalplatsen i Intertotocupen 1997? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrChairman1914 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Hej! Du får ursäkta mig, att jag tog bort en eventuell förstaplats och/eller andraplats i en andra/tredje division är självklart felaktigt av mig, de är meriter som bör stå listade. Tredjeplatser av all sort ska dock inte stå med. Lägg gärna till förstaplatser och andraplatser igen så går jag isåfall in och ändrar manuellt om jag upptäcker fel. Ursäkta min snabbhet! --Reckless182 (talk) 11:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Således så var det endast två tredjeplatser, 1/8-final i CWC och 3:e kvalrundan i CL som skulle bort men istället tog du bort allt.
Inklusive alla transferändringar som du hade genomfört för tidigt. Ibland går det lite för fort helt enkelt. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Nu ser det bra ut :) Tack för gott samarbete MrChairman1914 — Preceding undated comment added 14:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Försöker få till det så att Mikael Kaller kommer med som Sport Director i inforuten men får inte med han? Samma sak på den svenska sidan. Han är inte sportchef men det är det enda som går för att han ska vara med. MrChairman1914 (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Det beror nog på att i princip inga fotbollsartiklar brukar inkludera sportchefen i infoboxen. Det kan finnas undantag, men i princip alla artiklar har enbart ordförande och tränare i infoboxen då de anses var de två mest betydande ledarna för klubben. Jag såg också att du lagt till "Member owned, 100%" under "Owner" vilket kanske kan missuppfattas. Jag hade nog hellre skrivit en mening i den inledande sektionen om att Halmstads BK är en medlemsstyrd (inte medlemsägd) förening. Se isåfall till att du infogar en källa från HBKs stadgar eller liknande också då det är viktigt att det går att verifiera. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

2014 Svenska Supercupen

I apologise for my actions and misunderstanding yesterday regarding the article, not so sure what my mind was going through. Arbero (talk) 11:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

No need to apologize! It's easy to make mistakes, certainly on Wikipedia :) --Reckless182 (talk) 11:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Säsongsartiklar och Supercupen

Tjena! Diskussionen om höst-vår i säsongsartiklar osv verkar ha stannar av helt, men för att summera så är det alltså detta som blev resultatet?

  • 2014 in ... football – Året som finalen spelades.
  • List of ... seasons – Året som turneringen började.
  • 2014 ... season – Året som klubben åkte ut samt ge extra information i början av texten.

Dessutom är jag lite nyfiken på hur du tänker kring Supercup-matcher vara eller icke-vara i det "Career tables"-formatet som vi använder oss av. Efter Malmö–Elfsborg uppdaterade du karriärtabeller för Malmö-spelarna, men 2 februari i år, verkade du vara av en annan uppfattning. Då skrev du nämligen att inga Supercuper, ligacuper, slutspel, mästerskapsserier, kvalspel osv skulle inkluderas. // Mattias321 (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Hej. Ojsan, det är jag som har blivit helt förvirrad. Antagligen uppdaterade jag tabellerna i spelarartiklarna för att jag inkluderar Supercupen statistiken i samma kolumn på klubbsäsongsartikeln. Good catch! Jag ska se till att fixa det senare.
När det gäller säsongsformatet så tycks intresset inte vara särskilt mycket större än vad debatten blev. Jag föreslår att vi kör på ovanstående format i och med att vi är hyfsat överens (?) + att vi hade minst en annan användare som höll med oss. Möter vi motstånd på vägen så får vi initiera en ny debatt helt enkelt. Så länge vi ändrar från formatet vi har nu.
Jag vet inte om du märkte, men jag la till Allsvenskan templates igen på BP och Mjällby, detta i och med att lagen står under former teams, därmed bör också templatet finnas kvar? Hela syftet med ett template är att underlätta navigering mellan artiklar så därmed vore det logiskt att alla artiklarna i ett template har en genväg till samma template? Samma sak bör gälla för föredetta Superettan och Division 1 lag. Keep up the good work :) --Reckless182 (talk) 15:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

List of Swedish football champions

Borde man inte lista de allsvenska mästarna åren 1926-1930, trots att de inte blev Svenska Mästare? Självklart med en förklaring att de inte korades som Svenska Mästare, utan endast som Allsvenska Mästare. MrChairman1914 (talk) 12:21, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Nej det tycker jag inte. Artikeln handlar om Svenska Mästare. Det du talar om går att hitta under Allsvenskan#Previous winners. List of Swedish football champions är dock i behov av att förbättras ytterliggare. Men jag tycker att man ska skilja på Allsvenska titlar och SM titlar.--Reckless182 (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Ändra namn på sidan till Swedish champions in football? Blir ju mer korrekt isf MrChairman1914 (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Det nuvarande artikelnamnet är den korrekta engelska översättningen för "Svenska mästare i fotboll". Jag kan inte se hur det skulle gå att missförstå syftet med artikeln. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Nog bara jag som vill vara övertydlig. MrChairman1914 (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Både Allsvenskan#Previous winners och List of Swedish football champions kan nog förtydligas så att en läsare som inte har tidigare kunskap om svensk fotboll och dess tidvis märkliga titelsystem kan förstå. Just detta har varit mitt syfte med fotnoten som du kan hitta t.ex. under Malmö FF#Footnotes (men även i andra artiklar) där jag försökt förklara hur titeln "Svenska Mästare i Fotboll" har delats ut genom åren.--Reckless182 (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Nationality

Tjena! Jag undrar hur du tycker att man se göra med nationalitetsflaggor under "Current squad"-sektioner? Om en spelare har representerat ett FIFA-landslag på någon nivå känns det väldigt självklart, men med spelare som inte spelat landslagsfotboll på någon nivå känns det väldigt diffust. Om man tar Djurgårdens Haris Radetinac som exempel, så är han född i nuvarande Serbien, men han är också bosnisk och svensk medborgare. Ricardinho är född i Brasilien och Kennedy Igboananike och Lawal Ismail i Nigeria, men alla tre är också svenska medborgare. Robin Olsen är född i Sverige, men är bara dansk medborgare. Moestafa El Kabir är född i Marocko, men är också holländsk medborgare.

Hur tycker du också man ska göra med sådana som har spelat för ett "icke-FIFA-landslag". Jag kan tycka att landslag som ändå är med i någon kontinental fotbollsfederation borde få det landets flaggan, typ som att Gibraltar bara är med i UEFA. Men med ett landslag som Kosovo känns det lite mer osäkert. Samir Ujkani har gjort 20 landskamper för Albanien, men har nu spelat 4 landskamper för Kosovo. Eftersom Kosovo inte är med i UEFA eller FIFA är han således inte "låst" till Kosovo, utan skulle kunna spela för Albanien igen. Samma med Loret Sadiku och Dardan Rexhepi har gjort U21-landskamper för Sverige, men spelar nu för Kosovo. // Mattias321 (talk) 10:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Hej När det gäller spelare som Radetinac, El Kabir och Ricardinho så är praxis att flaggan ska vara från landet där spelaren är född tills han eventuellt representerar sitt andra land i en landskamp. Vad det gäller spelare som Robin Olsen så blir det svårare, i hans fall hade han bara Dansk pass fram tills nu i veckan då han skaffade svenskt pass för att spela för Sverige, så för mig så gäller det att gå efter logik och vad källorna säger. När det gäller icke-FIFA landslag så är jag faktiskt ganska osäker på vad praxis säger. Logiskt sätt kan jag hålla med dig om att UEFA medlemmars landslags flagga ska användas. Du bör nog fråga på WP:Football ifall du är osäker. --Reckless182 (talk) 15:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, tackar! Hur tycker du att göra med spelare som till exempel Amadou Jawo? Född i Gambia och kom till Sverige när han var 5 år, men har aldrig representerat något landslag på någon nivå. Jag vet att han är svensk medborgare, men är osäker om han också är gambiansk. Om man ska följa praxis så ska han alltså han en gambiansk flagga eftersom det är hans födelseland, men på alla källor jag hittar så hittar jag bara att han är svensk. // Mattias321 (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Om du bara hittar källor över svensk nationalitet så bör du gå efter det. Källor kommer alltid före :) --Reckless182 (talk) 09:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Lite frågor om lån

Tjena! Jag har lite frågor angående lån här.

  • Hur tänker du hur man ska ska i spelar-infoboxar vad det gäller utlåningar? Om man tar Pär Ericsson som exempel, så var han utlånad från Blåvitt till Mjällby under hösten 2011, återvände sedan till Blåvitt och spelade några träningsmatcher vintern 2012 innan han på nytt blev utlånad till Mjällby där han stannade till 2013 utan att återvända till Blåvitt någon gång. Bör de då stå 2011 → Mjällby AIF (loan) och 2012–2013 → Mjällby AIF (loan) under två separata eftersom han var en sväng i Blåvitt vintern 2012 eller bör det stå 2011–2013 → Mjällby AIF (loan) eftersom han inte spelade några tävlingsmatcher för Blåvitt under tiden han var tillbaka.
  • Sedan undrar jag hur du tänker kring lån i säsongsartiklar. I 2015 Malmö FF season så har du med både Malm och Thelin under "In", även om de i själva verket aldrig återvände till MFF innan de lämnade klubben. Jag har i mina säsongsartiklar bara med "Loan returns" om spelaren verkligen återvänder och inte lämnar klubben samt om spelaren lånas ut till en annan klubb direkt. Hur tänker du också kring lån i "Key events"? Jag har med in/utlåningar och eventuella förlängningar av dessa. Men tycker du att jag också ska ha med Loan returns här?
  • Om vi går tillbaka till infoboxar, så har jag ingen jättebra lösning på hur man ska göra när en spelare som är utlånad till en klubb spelar i sin nya klubbs reservlag. Tex Emir Bajrami var under 2012–13 utlånad från Twente till Monaco, men han spelade också 5 matcher för Monacos reservlag i franska fjärdedivisionen våren 2013. Med det nuvarande formatet så kan det tolkas som att Bajrami först var utlånad från Twente till Monaco och sedan från Twente till Monaco B, men han i själva verket var "utlånad" från Monaco till Monaco B.

Vad tycker du förresten om det nya formatet för ligatabeller som har introducerats på hela Wikipedia? Jag är själv lite tveksam, jag såg inga direkta nackdelar med det förra formatet, men man kanske vänjer sig. Jag tycker hur som helst att 2014 Allsvenskan och 2015 Allsvenskan ska ha samma text som tex 2014–15 Bundesliga och 2014–15 Premier League. Alltså Qualification to UEFA Champions League second qualifying round istället för 2016–17 UEFA Champions League Second qualifying round, Relegation to Superettan istället för 2016 Superettan osv. Dessutom bör väl alla tidigare tabeller för Allsvenskan, Superettan och SvC-gruppspelet göras om till "rätt" format, men det får väl bli en annan gång. Ha en fortsatt trevlig adventstid! // Mattias321 (talk) 18:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Hej. Angående Ericsson så hade jag sammanfattat hela låneperioden 2011-2013 med tanke på att han inte var tillbaka i IFK under en längre period och speciellt med tanke på att han inte representerade IFK i ligamatcher däremellan.
När det gäller lånen så är det tekniskt så att spelare återkommer till klubben i och med att lånet avslutas. Jag har med det i och med att det ser väldigt rörigt ut om det står att spelare går ut utan han för tillfället finns i klubben, dvs. för att kunna gå från klubben måste man först tillhöra klubben. Vad det gäller "Key events" så försöker jag enbart att hålla mig till transfers, lån in och kontraktsförlängningar, samt annat som är uppmärksammat. Saker som inte ens uppmärksammas på klubbens officiella hemsida brukar jag undvika att skriva in i key events.
Vad det gäller situationer som Bajrami så kan jag hålla med dig om att det möjligtvis kan missuppfattas. Samtidigt tycker jag att det är den bästa lösningen. Att t.ex. infoga en högerpil, dvs ännu längre till höger, dvs. utlånad från en utlånad klubb känns betydligt mer förvirrande än den nuvarande lösningen.
Jag är generellt positiv till de nya tabellerna i och med att det är enklare för oerfarna användare att uppdatera. När det gäller utformningen så gillar jag dock inte alls bokstavsförklarningarna i tabellerna, såsom i 2014–15 UEFA Champions League. Där tycker jag att det har gått till att vara ganska förvirrat. Vad det gäller texten i tabellerna som du tar upp så vet jag att de resonerade så att det behövs ytterligare förklaring för de ligor som går i motsatt säsong som de Europeiska tävlingarna. Jag föreslår att du kommenterar på WP:FOOTBALL om du vill försöka påverka detta, jag vet att de fortfarande tar emot en hel del kritik och konstruktiva förslag kring den nya designen. God jul och gott nytt år! --Reckless182 (talk) 15:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Hej! Hur tycker du jag ska göra med Nordin Gerzić då? Han var utlånad från Blåvitt till ÖSK hösten 2013, men återvände sedan till Blåvitt och spelade flera matcher på försäsongen samt två matcher i Svenska Cupens gruppspel. "2013" och "2014" eller "2013–2014"?
Jag håller med dig i att det är lättare att uppdatera de nya tabellerna än de gamla. Jag tycker dock att man kan strunta i de bokstavsförklarningarna som du säger och köra med färgkoder istället som förut. Grönt = Kvalificerat, Gult = Kan bara kvalificera sig till EL, Röd = Utslaget. // Mattias321 (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Jag håller med dig, efter att ha sett det nya systemet "in action". --Reckless182 (talk) 09:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Lite mer frågor

Hej igen! Jag har lite fler frågor angående vissa saker som jag undrar och som jag hoppas att du kan komma med dina åsikter. Hoppas du står ut med dem! ;)

  • Vad är egentligen skillnaden mellan manager och head coach? Jag har uppfattat det som att en manager är en som både tränar laget och tar hand om värvningar osv. Alltså sköter den både sportchefens och tränarens uppdrag, medan en head coach bara tar hand om träningar och laguttagningar och att en sportchef sköter värvningarna. I vissa engelska och franska klubbar och bland annat Syrianska FC i Sverige, så finns det dock en sportchef men tränaren kallas ändå för manager. I Allsvenskan så kallas Henke Larsson, Magnus Haglund och Janne Andersson för manager för sina respektive klubbar, medan övriga 13 kallas för huvudtränare/head coach.
Din uppfattning om tränare vs manager är helt korrekt. Jag håller med om att det är förvirrande när det finns både sportchef och manager i en klubb.
Good catch! Jag har alltid haft uppfattningen att praxis var att ha mellanrum mellan siffrorna. Antingen så har jag haft fel uppfattning under hela tiden eller så har praxis förändrats. Jag har inte tid att kolla upp det just nu, men jag tycker definitivt att det är något som vi borde undersöka. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Vad tycker du? Bör vi ändra till 0–0 istället för 0 – 0 i svenska artiklar eller ska vi ta det vidare till WP:FOOTBALL? // Mattias321 (talk) 12:08, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Efter mer närmare eftertanke så tycker jag att vi ska ändra till 0–0, främst baserat på, att som du påpekar, att det finns praxis att göra så i andra fotbollsartiklar. Det finns egentligen ingen skillnad, utan jag tror snarare att det är en smaksak, och då kanske man ska gå efter den lösningen som tar minst plats, därmed 0–0 istället för 0 – 0. Det kan vara så folk har tänkt. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Jakob my friend—a very Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones, and a Happy New Year! Have a really great one. Peace on Earth and goodwill to all men. Love from all the Asher household. —  Cliftonian (talk)  21:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much my friend! I hope you and your entire family are doing well. I trust Thomas enjoyed his first Christmas and Hanukkah? --Reckless182 (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Lennart Nilsson

Hej på dig Reckless!

I just created this article, and since you are a well-experienced editor when it comes to Swedish-related football articles, do you think you could lend me a helping hand? I need to know what his birth name is (most Swedish footballers I have stumbled on tend to have long birth names) and secondly, I would like to know which town/city he was born in. Also, I'm not sure if my league statistics for IF Elfsborg (do play-offs count as league games?) and IFK Göteborg are correct. (League statistics are from National-Football-Teams, so I'm not sure if its a reliable source.) Thanks. Arbero (talk) 14:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I see that you made a few late edits yesterday, and I don't want to push you, but I was wondering why you haven't responded to my message? Arbero (talk) 11:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi.I don't have my source material with me right now so I can't really check until sometime next week. I will be able to verify the number of league games but I don't think I have a way of finding out his entire birth name and/or the city he was born in unfortunately. As for play-off games, these are almost never counted as league games as far as I know. When it comes to answering my messages, I'm fairly busy in real life and even if I find some time to do some editing I don't always check and/or answer my messages every day.--Reckless182 (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I'll remove the play-off caps and goals for now and eagerly await for you to do your research. Arbero (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
@Arbero:, here's a link to his Ratsit profile, he's the only one found born 1 january 1959 named Lennart Nilsson. [14]--Hastaro (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi again. I've now checked. Lennart Nilsson played 171 league matches for IF Elfsborg and scored 42 (not 51 as it currently says in the article) goals between 1978 and 1986. He played 47 league matches and scored 12 goals for IFK Göteborg between 1987 and 1990. I hope this is helpful. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Possible FLC review

Hey there! I was taking a look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Detroit Red Wings draft picks/archive1 and noticed you reviewed that list. I recently nominated a similar list over at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Islanders draft picks/archive1 and was wondering if you would be interested at all in reviewing it? If you could, I'd appreciate it a lot! Gloss 02:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I'll take a look later tonight. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Career tables

Hej!

Jag har lite olika funderingar kring karriärtabellerna. Hur tycker du att man ska göra när det inte är helt säkert hur många matcher eller mål en spelare gjort i en viss tävling? Ska man, som jag provade i artikeln om Nordin Gerzić, skriva hur många mål och matcher man vet att han minst har gjort? 2001 gjorde han minst 1 mål på minst 1 match, 2004 gjorde han minst 6 mål på 5 matcher osv. Det är bara 2003 som man vet att han gjorde exakt 2 mål på 10 matcher. Isåfall bör man kanske lägga till ett ">-tecken" för att visa att han egentligen gjorde fler mål och matcher, för annars ger det en något felaktig bild när det står 28 mål 33 matcher, när det i själva verket var betydligt mer. Eller ska man välja det lite enklare alternativet, som jag gjort med till exempel Mikael Boman, att bara lägga in de säsonger där man, i alla fall vad det gäller ligaspelet, vet exakt antal matcher och mål? Sedan finns det ju varianter där man vet exakt antal mål, men inte matcher och vice versa. Man vet att Haitam Aleesami gjorde 3 mål under sin tid i Skeid, men man vet inte på hur många matcher. Ska man ta med i karriärtabellen eller ska man nöja sig med att ta med det i infoboxen? Eller strunta i båda?

Sedan undrar jag hur du tänkte vad det gäller Yoshimar Yotún's infobox. Där står det att han bara gjorde 23 matcher för Vasco da Gama, men i karriärtabellen har du 27. Ska man inte vara konsekvent där? // Mattias321 (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hej.När det gäller karriärtabellerna så ska de vara noggrant refererade med källor. Om du inte är säker på hur många matcher/mål en spelare har gjort så hade jag nog lämnat rutan med ett (–) eller ett (?) med en fotnot som förklarar att det är känt enligt Källa X och Y att spelaren spelat åtminstone så och så många matcher. Om man bara anger 1 match när det är möjligt att spelaren gjorde fler matcher känns som att man missleder läsaren även om det inte är meningen. Fotnot känns som den bästa lösningen hursomhelst. När det gäller Yotun så var det så att han spelade 4 matcher i det som dom i Brasilien kallar statsligor. Det är ligaspel inom staten, men inte inom landets officiella ligasystem, jag har anmärkt detta med en fotnot. När det gäller infoboxen så ska den enbart gälla matcher i det nationella ligasystemet vad jag vet. För Brasilianska spelare så är det vanligare med att ha en speciell kolumn för detta i karriärtabellen, men det kändes inte lämpligt i och med att Yotun bara gjorde en säsong i Brasilien. Hursomhelst ska det bli väldigt spännande att se vad han går för :) Spännande säsong som väntar även om jag är aningen oroad över att vi inte tänker ersätta Kiese Thelin. Jag misstänker att Blåvitt har ett par värvningar kvar att göra? --Reckless182 (talk) 21:29, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Hej! Tack för snabbt svar! Ett (—) med fotnot kanske hade varit det bästa, med tycker du då att jag ska lägga till de säsonger för exemplevis Emil Salomonsson, Haitam Aleesami och Mikael Boman där man inte vet exakt antal matcher och mål? Med Gerzić gick jag in på Rynninge IK på SvFF:s hemsida och räknade matcherna manuellt. I SvFF:s spelarprofiler finns det ju bara statistik från Allsvenskan och Superettan (från 2001) och vad det gäller Div 1–Div 3 så finns det laguppställningar och målskyttar listade från och med 2008 som man kan räkna manuellt. Innan 2008 så är det bara målskyttar listade och inbland inte ens det, detta gör att statistik från lägre divisioner innan 2008 blir väldigt svår att hitta. Ibland har man ju tur att någon sida som Elite Prospects, Fotbolltransfers eller Soccerway eller någon lokaltidning har med matcher och mål, men med Gerzić fanns det bara från 2003 av någon anledning. Säsongerna 2004–2006 räknade jag alltså hur många gånger Gerzić var listad som målskytt och i hur många matcher.
Men hur tycker du att jag ska göra med infoboxen? Ska man strunta i att skriva in matcher och mål eller ska man lämna en fotnot som i karriärtabellerna? Sedan har jag märkt att du brukar göra ett (—) i cupkolumnen när det inte finns info om matcher, men är det inte bättre att skriva 0 matcher, 0 mål med ett fotnot för ett (—) kan ju misstolkas som att klubben inte spelade i någon cupturnering den säsongen.
Ja, 2015 års Allsvenska känns som den bästa på många år såhär på förhand. Många bra lag som drar mycket publik och mycket profilvärvningar. MFF har gjort många bra värvningar och visst gjorde det lite ont när Sana blev klar. Men jag undrar också hur ni ska ersätta Kiese Thelin, 4-2-3-1 med Rosenberg ensam på topp kanske? Och, ja, förhoppningsvis ska Gren få in lite spelare snart. En offensiv innermittfältare och en ytter ska väl in, och så man ju hoppas att Vibe stannar... // Mattias321 (talk) 22:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Personligen hade jag valt att helt enkelt skippa att inkludera dessa säsonger i karriärtabellen då det kan se väldigt underligt ut med ett par säsonger med enbart streck. Är det bara en säsong så ser det möjligtvis lite bättre ut. Jag tycker dock definitivt att oavsett hur du gör så bör du klargöra att det saknas statistik via fotnoter. Vad det gäller infoboxen så bör all statistik som inte är "komplett" inte inkluderas. Med avsaknad av information i cupmatcherna har jag kört (-) då jag har ansett att det skapar mindre förvirring än att skriva (0,0) då det kan missuppfattas som att det är 100% fakta att spelaren inte spelade alls, vilket inte stämmer. Möjligtvis kanske man borde införa N/A eller liknande för när information saknas, den lösningen har jag dock aldrig sett någonstans. Det finns absolut rum för förbättring där. Om du tycker att det låter som en bra idé hade vi kunnat föreslå det på WP:FOOTBALL?
Jag tror att vi kommer att variera friskt mellan 4-4-2 (med antingen Gische eller Berget bredvid Rosenberg), 4-3-3 (med Gische och Berget bredvid Rosenberg och Lewicki och Adu som defensiva ankare) och 4-5-1 med Rosenberg som ensam forward. Åge lyckades väldigt bra med att byta taktik mellan matcher och ofta till och med under matcher förra året. Med tanke på att både Tinnerholm och Yotun är väldigt offensiva ytterbackar så kommer väldigt mycket att hänga på att Lewicki och Adu gör det defensiva jobbet. Oerhört spännande hur det än går. Jag gissar på att vi värvar en stark forward lik Thelin i sommarfönstret innan CL kvalet. Ska bli spännande att se om ni får igång Sebastian Eriksson. Med Engvall och Vibe därtill så har ni definitivt tillräckligt med spets för att hota oss. Dock kan jag tycka att er trupp ser lite tunn ut bakom spetsen, men det svenska fönstret stänger inte förrän lång tid ännu. --Reckless182 (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, det kanske är bäst att skippa säsongerna. Men hur tycker du att man ska göra i infoboxen om man vet en spelares statistik från bara en säsong. Om vi tar Elfsborgs Viktor Prodell som exempel så spelade han i Eskilstunas a-lag 2007–2008, men det är bara från 2008 man har statistik. Ska man strunta i att ta med statistik över huvud taget eller ska man ta med 2008-statistiken med en fotnot kanske? // Mattias321 (talk) 12:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Hej. Sorry för sent svar. Den är betydligt mer klurig, statistik med fotnot låter klokare. Känns som en 50/50 situation, jag hade nog frågat på WP:FOOTBALL. --Reckless182 (talk) 21:33, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Oscar Lewicki

I think that the question is whether he was intended to play for the first team of for the second team. I was under the impression that Lewicki came up through the youth teams and did not really make it to the first squad, so I think it is wrong to list him as player of the first team loaned out to the second team. There are other players, usually older ones (for example Thomas Linke), who were specifically contracted for the second team to provide some experience and guidance for the young players. Listing them as first team player loaned out to the second team also gives a wrong impression. So I would a consider it only as a loan to the second team if the player mainly plays for the first team. --Jaellee (talk) 13:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

The problem still remains, the reader could still be confused. How could he or she possibly follow your reasoning above if they don't have a special interest in Bayern Munich? Moreover, for such a reasoning you would need to present references that specifically says that Lewicki was never meant to play for the first team. We need to adhere to the established facts and try to present them as simply and understandable as we can. I believe that the easiest way to do that is my solution. The fact is that both Lewicki and Linke were contracted to Bayern Munich, they may have played for the reserve team and even had contracts that were formally administrated by Bayern Munich II, but they still belonged to Bayern Munich since Bayern Munich II is the reserve team and therefore officially under the jurisdiction of Bayern Munich. Therefore they should both be listed as Bayern Munich players, both to avoid any confusion and as well for the indisputable fact that they were contracted to Bayern Munich. --Reckless182 (talk) 13:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
At the moment I have no source for Lewicki, but I could provide sources for Linke [15] [16]. Your proposal would mean that regardless whether a footballer played for the first or the second team, he would always be listed as first team player in the infobox even if he never was even on the bench for the first team and there are sources that show that this was never intended. I think that we should not bend the facts in such a way. Additionally, Lewicki is currently [17] only listed in the Category:FC Bayern Munich II players, but not in Category:FC Bayern Munich footballers. So in the infobox Lewicki is shown as a first team player but not in the categories. This is at least confusing for me. --Jaellee (talk) 15:28, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry me for bumping in here. An article about the Norwegian player Martin Ødegaard is currently nominated as a "Good article". May User:Jaellee would be kind to inform the reviewer for the nomination's article, because Ødegaard never have played for Real Madrid, neither been listed as a substitute, he should not be listed as a player for Real Madrid? I don't think Ødegaard went to Madrid to play for Castilla, the same way I don't think Lewicki went to Bayern to play for their recruit team, but that's just my opinion. Grrahnbahr (talk) 15:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
We would have to change the categories yes. You have understood me correctly in stating that the first team should always be listed even if the player in question never makes an appearance for the first team. I'm sorry but you can't deny the fact players like Lewicki and Ødegaard are officially contracted by the first team. --Reckless182 (talk) 16:35, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I think that this should be discussed on a bigger scale and I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#First and second teams. Please add your input there. --Jaellee (talk) 19:10, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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Celso Borges is on loan

All the news, info and stuff you found in Google or any sports news say Celso Borges (AIK football player) signed a "on loan" contract. See this examples:

The link you posted (http://www.aikfotboll.se/Article.aspx?contentID=9005) says both parts (AIK and Deportivo) signed the transfer, but it doesn't say he was sold to Deportivo.

This is correct, right? By the way, I'm Costa Rican :).

-- wjuarezq (talk), 20 February 2015. — Preceding undated comment added 16:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I can see now that you are correct. Good job. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Christian Wilhelmsson

Hi there RECKLESS, this is (formerly known as) ALWAYSLEARNING, remember me? All well with you?

Can you please help out and provide an English translation for this player's reference #11? My Swedish is not very good... oh who am I kidding, it's rubbish :)

Best regards, continue the good work --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

  • I think I got it right with my attempt, but of course you know best, please correct me if need be! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi! The current translation is correct. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

"Fika" or "Kaffe"

Hello again Reckless ! It's difficult to say it's spring in the air, but it isn't winter atleast. The grass is green and Danish Superligaen begins very soon.
Three points in CL wasn't disappointing, really. I hope MFF will win also this year, and yet again qualify for CL. With experience follows better play against the very top teams. I hardly could tell wich league which actually is "Division 1 Södra" or "Superettan" (Frej, Athletic, Utsikten etc). I really think the third league should be national ("Supertvåan"), and in order to get in to the three highest Swedish leagues, a "behovskrav" should be added to "elitlicensen".
So to the matter - If possible could You help me defending the Scanian interest in article Fika (culture) - I have never been invited for "fika" by any Scanian person. I argue we simply say "Kaffe" (which most certainly not exclude possibilities of other hot or cold drinks). But a user from Stockholm is attempting to impose "fika" for entire Sweden. If You agree with me, this would be much appriciated. Boeing720 (talk) 01:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi! Yes I will personally keep a much more interested eye on Söderettan instead of Superettan, the competition will be quite deadly this year. As for its composition I think that it might be a good idea to ensure the introduction of a license before making any changes, as the financial problem generally for teams in the third level is the long distance travel but without the TV money and other commercial benefits that Allsvenskan and Superettan teams are provided with.
As for the matter at hand. I almost exclusively use the term Fika but tend to use Kaffe at times. I do agree with you that the term Kafee does not exclude other possibilities. Perhaps there are differences between generations on which term is the most popular one. But there is no question to me that both terms are used in Southern Sweden. I hope this can be of some help to you. --Reckless182 (talk) 17:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Måns

Please take a look at the article about Måns Zelmerlöw. I have done several edits to improve the article ahead of his likely Melodifestivalen winning next weekend. Any further improvements are appreciated. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for the late reply, I'll take a look this weekend. --Reckless182 (talk) 08:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I made some minor tweaks. You can just revert if you don't agree that they make the article better. Great job on the article! --Reckless182 (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

YCFC FLC

Hi, I hope you're well. When you have a moment would you mind reviewing this York City list at FLC? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 21:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I'm sorry for the late reply, I'll take a look this weekend. --Reckless182 (talk) 08:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Missing article

Hi, I would like to notify you any article about the notable former Malmö FF player, Christer Persson (active 1963), does not exist in English. There is though one in Norwegian, at Christer Persson (fotballspiller for Malmö FF). Please remember to add a language link if starting one. Grrahnbahr (talk) 17:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm that's a bit weird. I have created articles for every single Malmö FF player who have played in Allsvenskan, the rest should not be notable. But it is of course possible that I may have missed this guy. I'll have a look when I can find the time to go through my sources.--Reckless182 (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah looks like I have missed to create an article for the guy since there was already another footballer with the same name with an existing article. I'll create an article later. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:38, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Article has been created and a Norwegian language link has been added to it. Thanks again. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. My English is not perfect, so I found it better to let you make the article. It is a pretty nice collection of Malmö FF-related articles in Norwegian now, thanks to your effort at English wikipedia. If you like producing content related to Swedish association football in general, you'll may find Kategori:Fotballspillere for Råå IF to be of interest, a collection articles in Norwegian including all players who have played Allsvenskan football for Råå IF. Grrahnbahr (talk) 10:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Indirect request

Hello Reckless, as the spring appear to be early, I'm looking forward to the 2015 season. Both for MFF (a tiny bit for HIF), and of cource also for BoIS. I believe the annual meeting tidied up some persons who has failed, but still wanted to steer the ship, so to speak. I hop BoIS will return to Superettan at once and we only "tar sats" in the third tier.
Now to main issue, I have got a request from User:SergeWoodzing, who is British or American (or whatever). But he is interested in Scandinavia. He want some Swedish comments on this article Jacob Truedson Demitz, and he wonders if the article (possibly shortened down) could be used on Swedish Wikipedia. Since Swedish Wikipedia is out of bonds for me, I wonder if You believe this Demitz guy ought to be mentioned at Swedish Wikipedia ? (Personally can I not see any reason to why not, although it's not my cup of tea, this article. :User:SergeWoodzing appear to be very keen to have Swedish opinions on the subject. I hope this isn't too tiresome. But if so, just disregard from this "indirect request". All the best Boeing720 (talk) 15:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Boeing720 (talk) 15:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Please feel free to reply here or to me in private by e-mail! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi. I'll get back to you guys this weekend.--Reckless182 (talk) 08:56, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I have responded at the requested talk page. --Reckless182 (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

List of Malmö FF managers

Hi, I've added a comment about the sources used in List of Malmö FF managers, at the article's talkpage. Grrahnbahr (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

League table dispute

Hi.

There is a league table dispute at Template:2015 Allsvenskan table making it full protected, which is not good with matches today and upcoming days. I give you this message since you have edited the table, so please join discussion at Template talk:2015 Allsvenskan table#Table position. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 09:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello!

Hejsan! Jag ska bara informera dig om att eftersom det är rätt mycket för mig i skolan både nu och i höst så kommer jag att släppa fokuset på Superettan och inte uppdatera trupper där mm. Jag kommer nu bara fokusera på Allsvenskan och framförallt IFK Göteborg och även landslagen! Ha det gött! // Mattias321 (talk) 11:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Tjena, Bra att du informerar. Tyvärr så kommer jag nog också behöva ta ett längre uppehåll härifrån snart. Jag hinner inte med lika mycket som jag brukar. Jag kommer nog fortsätta med den uppdateringen jag hinner med fram till det Allsvenska sommaruppehållet, sen kommer det nog att bli mindre och mindre på ett tag tills jag har mer tid. Ibland får man prioritera viktigare saker helt enkelt :) --Reckless182 (talk) 19:44, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Sweden national youth teams

Hej! Hoppas du har en skön sommar! Jag har ju tidigare skapat artiklar om Sveriges U18-landslag och Sveriges U16-landslag som existerade fram till sommaren 2001 då UEFA ändrade till U19 och U17. Jag börjar nu fundera på om det blir aningen rörigt och överflödigt att ha en artikel om U19 och U17 och en om U18 och U16. Detta eftersom inga spelare får U18- eller U16-landskamper i Sverige längre och eftersom de landslagen egentligen bara bytte namn till U17 och U19 utan att någon riktigt förändring ägde rum. Jag vet att bland annat England fortfarande har U18- och U16-landskamper, medan vi istället har ett yngre och ett äldre U17-landslag och ett yngre och ett äldre U19-landslag, så därför är det relevant för dem att ha artiklar. Vad tycker du? Jag ska väl tillägga att jag isåfall skulle göra likadant med artikeln om U23-landslaget och U21-landslaget och då skapa en ny artikel som heter "Sweden Olympic football team" och handlar om OS från 1992 och framåt, alternativt ha allt i U21-artikeln. // Mattias321 (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

List of York City F.C. players (fewer than 25 appearances)

Hi, when you have a spare moment would you mind reviewing List of York City F.C. players (fewer than 25 appearances) at FLC? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

IFK Göteborg away kit and third kit

Hej, Reckless182! Hoppas att du har en bra sommar! Det är så att jag inte är så bra att lägga in olika matchtröjor här på Wikipedia så jag tänkte fråga om din hjälp angående IFK Göteborgs bortaställ samt tredjeställ (bortaställ i Europa). Du behöver absolut inte göra det om du inte hinner med, men om du finner lite tid hade det varit bra! Jag lägger in bilder på ställen här nere.

Bortastället: ifkgoteborg.se, blavittshopen.se
Tredjestället: ifkgoteborg.se, blavittshoppen.se, imgur.com

Ha det bra! // Mattias321 (talk) 13:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

New Swedish loan system

Hej, Reckless182! Hoppas du har haft en skön sommar!

Sedan i år är ju det utlåningssystem som fanns till och med 2011 tillbaka i svensk fotboll. För att citera SvFF:s föreskrifter: "En förening (ordinarie förening) har möjlighet att, utan sedvanlig övergångsanmälan, vid varje givet tillfälle låta högst sex utespelare och därutöver två målvakter representera annan förening/föreningar (tillfällig förening) i lägre serienivå". Det ska tilläggas att spelaren som lånas ut inte får vara äldre än 22 år. Ett väldigt bra utlåningssystem i min mening, men för oss på Wikipedia blir det lite klurig hur vi ska göra med den klassiska "Out on loan"-sektionen. Nu har jag löst det på följande sätt med en fotnot med texten "Club 1 have a cooperation with Club 2 and might temporarily loan out players to them during the season". Detta medför ju också vissa problem med t.ex. Marcus Johansson och Malkolm Nilsson i Halmstads BK som är med på en sådan här utlåningslista till samarbetsklubben Östers IF. Dock så brukar båda två nästan alltid finnas med i HBK:s matchtrupp och figurerar oftare där än i Östers matchtrupp. Samma sak gäller Emil Bellander som är "utlånad" från Gefle IF till IF Brommapojkarna. Då blir det ju lite missvisande att ha med dem i "Out on loan"-sektionen istället för "First-team squad"-sektionen när de i själva verket är mer i laget än utlånad. Ganska lurig situation helt enkelt.

Sedan är det lite oklart om den här utlåningsregeln gäller alla spelare under 22 år som lånas ut till en förening i lägre division, jag vet t.ex. inte om MFF kan kalla tillbaka Alexander Blomqvist, Piotr Johansson och Benjamin Fadi. Det känns lite dumt att ta upp det här på WP:Football då vi i Sverige är ganska unika med det här, men jag kanske ska lyfta frågan på Sweden task force? // Mattias321 (talk) 19:21, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Mattias PLEASE, this is Wikipedia in English. Strange as it may feel Swedish countymen together, I must put it to You Mattias, please use English also at talk-pages. That way every contributer can share the information. You fail to mention which article Your comment refers to. (the upper part) Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 16:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Boeing720! I get what you mean, but at the same time i really don't see the problem. Me and Reckless182 have previously discussed things in Swedish without any other complains. I mean, it's not like everyone reads a user's talk page and if I write something in WP:Football, for example, I will of course use English. And what do you mean by "You fail to mention which article Your comment refers to (the upper part)"? Have a nice weekend! // Mattias321 (talk) 22:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Some people stalk others' talk pages, and your use of this foreign tongue foils my efforts ... !!אולי עכשיו אתה תבין איך זה כשהכל כתוב בשפה זרה ;) —  Cliftonian (talk)  05:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Take a look

..at the article about Ester Claesson and Lo Kauppi. Thank you.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations !!!

I must congratulate You for once again reaching Champions League ! Let's hope for some teams which are not Juventus or/and Athletico Madrid. And an advance to the 1/8-finals. And of cource also that BoIS manages to reach qualification to Superettan. We had an attendance of 4000+ against ÖIS, dispite only one earlier victory came at home. But congratulations to You and MFFF ! Boeing720 (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Reply to all

Hi guys!

I am sorry I have not been replying to your messages. My life is quite hectic at the moment and so I have decided to cut down on some activities to a minimum, Wikipedia included. I am currently only updating 2015 Malmö FF season and 2015–16 Malmö Redhawks season. I will not take on any more tasks at the moment. I will most likely take a longer hiatus from Wikipedia, starting this December. I might be back, but at the moment I feel like I have to prioritize more important events in my life. Keep up the good work you all are doing!

All the best! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

TAFI

If you want to you can please review my noms at TAFI. I need some more input. Thanks. Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Nominations.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Bootham Crescent

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Please read, current status

Re-post of a previous message regarding my current status on Wikipedia. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:34, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys!

I am sorry I have not been replying to your messages. My life is quite hectic at the moment and so I have decided to cut down on some activities to a minimum, Wikipedia included. I am currently only updating 2015 Malmö FF season and 2015–16 Malmö Redhawks season. I will not take on any more tasks at the moment. I will most likely take a longer hiatus from Wikipedia, starting this December. I might be back, but at the moment I feel like I have to prioritize more important events in my life. Keep up the good work you all are doing!

All the best! --Reckless182 (talk) 09:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)''

Allegra Versace

If you want to, you can take a look at the article about Allegra Versace. That article is this weeks TAFI.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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