User talk:Liam Gash

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

Your article submission has been declined, and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research was not created. Please do not recreate this article, as it was composed mainly of copyrighted information. Thank you. sonia♫ 07:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

Your article submission has been declined, and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research was not created. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer, and please feel free to resubmit once the issues have been addressed. (You can do this by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article.) Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! N419 BH 00:25, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

Your article submission has been declined, and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research was not created. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer, and please feel free to resubmit once the issues have been addressed. (You can do this by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article.) Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! ➜Gƒoley Four (GSV) 22:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Getting unblocked[edit]

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I have been trying for days to upload a simple page describing the organisation I work for. It is a reputable organisation that is a joint venture between the University of Tasmania and a government department. For an unknown reason I've been blocked. Given Wikipedia's bizaar rules and the reems of useless "help" menus I find it incredible that there are any entries. Can someone please help me to get unblocked so I can get this page up? --Liam Gash (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't been blocked directly. If your IP address has been blocked then please follow the instructions on the block message to post an unblock request here. Have you read any of the advice given in your repeated article creation requests? It seems you need more third-part references about your organisation. Have you had a look at WP:ORG about what we require for an article about an organisation? Have you read WP:COI about writing about your own organisation, and why it should be left to others? --Step hen 00:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Conflict of interest"!! I work for this organisation as Communications Manager. I'm just trying to put up a simple description of it on Wikipedia. After that, anybody can have a go. What conflict? I don't get anything out of this I'm just doing my job -- or trying to. I didn't think one had to spend months learning some arcane language and rules just to add an item to this site. Having "volunteers" as doorkeepers is all very nice but just means that people you don't know, who have no training or knowledge of a subject, have complete control over what gets added to Wikipedia. Hardly democratic or open source. Its more like the Masonic Lodge than a virtual community. --Liam Gash (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC) As you can probably tell I am somewhat frustrated. I am a very experience PC user and I've designed websites for many years as part of my job. However, I find this system overly complicated, arbitrary and one-size-fits-all. I can send the page I've put together to someone else, a 'third party', to put up but that wouldn't change the content. All this structure seems stuck in the days of DOS. I have a new version of my page on TIAR with a few external references and can't seem to be able to upload it. --Liam Gash (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"I work for this organisation as Communications Manager. I'm just trying to put up a simple description of it on Wikipedia. After that, anybody can have a go. What conflict? I don't get anything out of this I'm just doing my job" Presumably you're getting paid for this. That's where the conflict of interest comes into to play. OSborn^arf_{contributionatoration} 22:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest[edit]

Please read the following. Editing articles as a 'communications manager' is clearly against wikipedia policy

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
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Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Clovis Sangrail (talk) 03:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research[edit]

The article Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

All sorts of issues here, notability is a concern, however the article's main contributor has a massive COI, see User_talk:Liam_Gash#Conflict_of_interest, potential copyright violation problems (see copy paste tag), promotional tone.

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Suggestion[edit]

Hi. It is possible to contribute to wikipedia, in a positive way, even if you have a conflict of interest. But to do so, one must put in the time and effort to learn about wikipedia. There are indeed complicated policies and guidelines. May I suggest you take a step back and pause for a bit. What is most important then is to study and learn about copyright violation and reliable sources. Wikipedia has a strong guideline about not biting newcomers, but you have, sorry to say, worn out your newcomer status by trying to get this article online multiple times without first studying and fixing the problems many have pointed out to you. It may be that the subject you are writing about is notable, and it may be that it is not notable. The community of wikipedia decides notablity, via consensus. The best way to help the community decide is by providing a neutral small starter article that is backed up by multiple secondary sources. Eclipsed (talk) (code of ethics) 04:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have written an entry for the Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research. I work for this organisation but I have been painstaking in writing the content in a neutral tone. I have provided a number of external links and the copy is all original. If any copying and pasting has taken place it is because I prefer to work off-line and then paste into Wikipedia.

To just delete this entry because it is an employee of TIAR that is writing it seems to me to be completely artbitrary and vindictive. Surely this entry can be judged on the content and not on who wrote it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.217.6.8 (talk) 04:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of an article is not really a worry. If the subject is notable, then it will be possible to find good reliable sources that could support recreation. But the current article has many problems. You had the right idea to go through the articles for creation system, but it was a very bad idea to go against the multiple reviews given to the article by neutral parties. This is why you find yourself in this 'situation'. Better would be to continue working on the article within articles-for-creation, and find independent sources to support notability. Start small, and grow gradually. With all due respect: You're trying to run before you have learned to walk. Eclipsed (talk) (code of ethics) 04:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of File:TIAR logo.jpg[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

Thank you for submitting an article to Wikipedia. Your submission has been reviewed and has been put on hold pending clarification or improvements from you or other editors. Please take a look and respond if possible. You can find it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research. If there is no response within twenty-four hours the request may be declined; if this happens feel free to continue to work on the article. You can resubmit it (by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article) when you believe the concerns have been addressed. Thank you. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

Your article submission has been declined, and Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Tasmanian Institute of Agricultural Research was not created. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer, and please feel free to resubmit once the issues have been addressed. (You can do this by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article.) Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! mono 04:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:TIAR logo.jpg[edit]

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I give up[edit]

You've got me. You've won. I have tried earnestly to provide some information about TIAR for Wikipedia but at every turn the unseen "editors" have knocked me back. Well, I give up. Now I know how Wikipedia was built. If you have no relation at all to a subject and know nothing about it, fine, put up your rantings. But if you actually know about a subject because you are part of it, oh no, conflict of interest. Well you win. I give up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.216.210 (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]