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Happy New Year!

Happy New Year, JJ!
May the new 2022 bring you joy and peace!

Kautilya3 (talk) 00:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

And not too much COVID... Good wishes for you too! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:52, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

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7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Joshua Jonathan,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! LearnIndology (talk) 17:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry

Sorry for accidentally pinging you. JJNito197 (talk) 22:57, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Christ myth theory

Hi. In this edit, you have said to "stick to the term", though the 'term' "Lives of Jesus" doesn't appear to actually be the title of anything, nor is it clear that that plural term is sourced to anything, but instead seems to be an analogy based on a single work with a singular name. Can you confirm whether the plural form is sourced to anything, or otherwise establish why it is necessary to 'stick to the term'? Thanks.--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Copied to Talk:Christ myth theory#"Lives of Jesus". Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Teachings and philosophy of Swami Vivekananda

Hi, I am a new editor on Wikipedia. I have provided a reliable source for my edits. Please your revert your edit back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.48.180 (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

See Talk:Teachings and philosophy of Swami Vivekananda#Unsourced. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:03, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

FYI Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#LTA sockpuppetry, puffery of Karna of Mahabharata (posting here as well for any of your talk page watchers) — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 22:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Tribal religions in India

Template:Tribal religions in India has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nigej (talk) 20:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Buddha-nature

"despite my welcome: incomprehensible" What do you mean by incomprehensible? Too technical? You removed all my edits on the page of Buddha-nature Dharmadhatugarbha (talk) 11:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dharmadhatugarbha: too technical, yes. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:56, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

The Nyingma position is quite distinctive from the other traditions, which requires a considerable amount of technicality in order to avoid some misinterpretations. In my previous edit I added some crucial information in that topic, which I don't think that can be omitted. So I'll make some adjustments in order be more digestible then Dharmadhatugarbha (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Sumadhva Vijaya

Hello, I'm MRRaja001. I noticed that you recently removed content from Sumadhva Vijaya without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please discuss on the talk page before removing content and redirecting like this MRRaja001 ^(talk) 17:03, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022

Hello, I'm MRRaja001. I noticed that you recently removed content from Shankara Vijayam without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. I noticed you removing content and redirecting all Vijayas of Acharyas to Digvijaya. Please discuss about this on talk page before doing this. MRRaja001 ^(talk) 06:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@MRRaja001: one message suffices. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Enlightenment

Hi, thanks for your edit. Not sure what the reasoning behind this revert is? Enlightened has its own dabpage and the inclusion of these titles at Enlightenment is redundant. 162 etc. (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• Per above, I've undone the revert. 162 etc. (talk) 03:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Rakhigarhi

Hey Joshua, In the Rakhigarhi page regarding the ancient DNA this is mentioned

The DNA of a male skeleton (classified as 'I4411') shows affinity with present-day South Indian tribal populations

. For this, it was I who added Supplementary Materials for The formation of human populations in South and Central Asia as citation. However, the term I4411 is not mentioned anywhere that looked. I don’t know whether I made mistake. Do you have any idea which skeleton is I4411, and where exactly is its genetic profile recorded? ChandlerMinh (talk) 08:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@ChandlerMinh: Maybe you got it from newspapers? See here. I guess that the Shinde-paper contains a name for this skeleton. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Not just mainstream media article, but also many right wing media article is acknowledging the male individual I4411. But that is still media. I am looking for research publications about I4411. Shinde’ paper is only dealing with one skeleton (I6113) and it’s title itself is in singular (An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers). Where is the other skeleton’s genetic profile? ChandlerMinh (talk) 08:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@ChandlerMinh: try Narasimhan et al. (2019)? Oh right, that's your reference. Supplementary material:

Results are shown in Table S 5. For the eight groups consistent with having entirely ASI ancestry (Adiyan, Ulladan, Palliyar, Malayan, Yanidi, I4411, Gugavellalar, Pulliyar) and having extremely low or no Steppe pastoralist-related ancestry as shown in Supplementary Materials S5

By the way: On the surprising genetic origins of the Harappan people (Shinde et al. 2019): "And what has become of I4411, the sample which they were originally discussed publishing, with its Irula affinities?" Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: I have copy of the supplementary material. It does not mention I4411 along with those South Indian tribes as you quoted. May be you have the pre-print or an updated version.

Initial media reportings, however, mentions I4411 and also seems like Niraj rai himself has acknowledged I4411. India Today reports that:

Narasimhan paper's tentative label of 'Indus Valley periphery' for this model is a significant match for I4411 of Rakhigarhi and this genetic cluster should now be recognised as the 'Harappan cline'.

. Niraj Rai has taken a 180-degree spin and is now preaching pro-Hindutva stand. ChandlerMinh (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

c.q.

Beste JJ, ik zie dat je vaak de afkorting "c.q." gebruikt. Ik wilde je laten weten dat deze uitdrukking alleen in het Nederlands voorkomt (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/c.q.) en dus niet in het Engels. Verder vind ik persoonlijk dat het sowieso iets te formeel is voor Wikipedia. Als laatste interesseert het je misschien om te weten dat de oorspronkelijke betekenis "in welk geval" is (https://taaladvies.net/cq/), hoewel het zo vaak in de betekenis van "en"/"of" gebruikt wordt dat dat niet meer fout te noemen is. Groetjes, Storm 213.124.212.249 (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@213.124.212.249: hallo Storm, een Nederlands 'latinisme'. Nooit geweten dat dit alleen in het Nederlands zo gebruikt wordt. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Changes to Vidyaranya's wikipedia page

You've extensively used one source in your article, on the role of Vidyaranya in the founding of the Vijayanagara Empire. You might that's to push the academic point of view. It might be, for some academics, but other academics do think otherwise as well (prominently Prof Nilakantha Shastri's). You would expect that in an article such as this a traditional point of view is more fully represented. But it isn't. You've also added a lot of edits making it quite difficult for a general reader to get an idea on Vidyaranya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RamgopalChandrasekaran (talk • contribs) 04:07, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Vidyaranya#Changes to Vidyaranya's wikipedia page. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham Reg.

There had been a long legal process in the Patna High Court and there has been a clear verdict that there are only four cardinal Amnaya Peethas. Thus they can only use the title Shankaracharya. The title is official and hereditary and is not transferable/ assumable. I have noted that there are attempts to illegally override this clear verdict based on evidences using wikipedia as a proxy. If the content does not explain this, this is a pure contempt of any civilized legal process.Marappagounder (talk) 06:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Marappagounder: Please raise this concern on the article's talk page: Talk:Kanchi_Kamakoti_Peetham, so that other editors can also hop in. WikiLinuz {talk} 🍁 06:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Done Marappagounder (talk) 06:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Who are you

Are you a thervada buddhist 2409:4073:84:B767:66F1:8BBE:D974:89E5 (talk) 04:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Missing cite in Bardo Thodol

In Dec 2014, you added short cite to "Fremantle, Fremantle & Trungpa 2003" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata•3 02:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Renata3: the reference was already there; I just converted it. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Huh? It was added in this edit. It did not exist prior in the article. Renata•3 22:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Notes

What you have conveyed in the notes is probably one of the strongest genetic studies in favor of a new theory that claims that Indo-European ancestors originated in the southern Caucasus and northwestern Iran. Considering that usually no one pays attention to the notes, I think it would be much better to add this content again to the previous section. 188.159.171.172 (talk) 17:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Please discuss at Talk:Proto-Indo-European homeland#Wikipedia Notes, not here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Please note vandalism in this page

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Animal_sacrifice_in_Hinduism&oldid=1091551603

This page is being vandalised by vegans 117.246.213.104 (talk) 11:05, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Hola

Hey JJ. Hoping everything is well. Just catching up on the new user in the Swaminarayan section and their edits are giving a strong feeling of a potential Swamiblue return. I had originally proposed adding the Lekh to the scriptures section and was curb stomped by the pro-baps socks and their consensus stacking. Only user account to vote for its inclusion besides me was AppleButter221. Ultimately that user got blocked as a sock of SwamiBlue and once you arrived and found a better way to include mention of the lekh on the page, a dedicated scriptures section didn't make sense anymore. I walked some of the user history of the new account and AppleButter and these two edits caught my eye. | 1 | 2. only user I can see who ever brought up that news story for inclusion on the page. Just the over all editing tendencies seem to match swamiblue but didn't know if you felt the same way or I'm being paranoid. The new user is for the most part sourcing their edits and some probably make sense. You've caught the unsourced or pov-sourced edits so far as well. Kbhatt22 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Kuru kingdom

Joshua you seem to have some problem with my edits for which i did give my citation I am using a more suitable term which is more relevant and is not under dispute for its authenticity describing videha as an ancient kingdom is more is less disputed than what was mentioned which does not provide any relevant information regarding the subject. I thank you for your time Vordt (talk) 14:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Vordt: thank you for your message; I'll take a look. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:45, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

"Aryan" genes

... were miniscule, according to this work! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: neat map. The main influence was the cultural influence - or should we say the linguistic influence, plus the residue of Vedic culture? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

And the residue of the Harappan culture, as well as horses that allowed them to spread it throughout the subcontinent. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

What is Sidhav 2016?

Sarasvati River where someone just deleted trxt. Doug Weller talk 18:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Found it. Doug Weller talk 19:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Not a reliable source.[1] No citations, it needs to be removed I'm afraid. Doug Weller talk 15:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

The International Journal of Social Impact is unknown to Worldcat libraries [2]. JimRenge (talk) 20:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Swaroopanand Saraswati

Yes, I know. I made a mess of the template. The point is that two different gurus were mentioned. This was not clear before. I found the article for the second one also. Could you please fix? 2.68.224.237 (talk) 07:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Why did you revert the cited text on the Varna (Hinduism) page?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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What bothered you? Riteshmmec (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

what made you think that the edits were off-topic? Did you went through the citations? Riteshmmec (talk) 09:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Riteshmmec: the topic of the article are the social classes, not astrology. The WP:LEAD summarizes the article; astrology isn't even mentioned in the article. At best, you can add a section on astrology, but the sources you provided diff fail WP:RS. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan Excuse me sir, the topic is "Varna (Hinduism) (i.e. वर्ण)".

2. The edits were directly related to वर्ण which is a field in Janam Kundli.

3. Janam kundli in Hindu Astrology is an integral part of Hinduism, where every hindu has a Janam kundli in his name created at the time of their birth.

Therefore, the edits were fully in-sync with the topic.

Hence, I request you to kindly restore the edits.

Regards. Riteshmmec (talk) 10:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Original research

Please keep an eye on the new user HonniVaruna who has been adding WP:OR and removing mass amount of referenced content on various articles related to religious figures. 2409:4073:387:B76D:5955:2533:C010:FBC7 (talk) 08:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

More genes

Indus genes now [3]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Hindu Mythology

You have accused me of violation of copyright when all I have done is include content from sources, which I have also cited. I do not understand your motives here and would encourage you to actually access the sources and see for yourself that all I have done is stated what has already been mentioned by the appropriate references. Chronikhiles (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I dis. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Fulfills wp:rs.

The content removed by you on wp:rs (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_astrology&diff=1105415177&oldid=1105408662&variant=en) fulfills the criteria mentioned therein which is

Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources.

'Times of India' is a reliable source and all the sources mentioned therein are published ones. Riteshmmec (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Please use the talkpage of the article. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Matha

Hi Joshua Jonathan, Don't know why you're reverting my edits. But the lead section of the article should be overview of the article not just a particular section. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 04:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

You also removed info - essential info. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:54, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll not remove it. Please don't revert my edits on this article. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 04:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I've already reinserted your info. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I've rearranged the content and added a note to Jyotir Math. The other two mathas which I removed are not famous and influential. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 05:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of Buddhism

Guess you have spotted it. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:52, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

No; I'll take a look. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:34, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Hopeless. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Recommended Reading

Hi Joshua! I must say, thank you for all of your contributions on Buddhist Wikipedia! I am a new Buddhist and have greatly appreciated what you have done. I must ask, do you have any recommended books regarding Buddhism, especially those made for people new to the faith or those that give a good outline of the various schools and vehicles? Honestly anything is fine :) Thanks! JungleEntity (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@JungleEntity: John Snelling, The Buddhist Handbook, is my favorite in this regard. As for my personal specific favorites:

• Peda Chodron, When Things Fall Apart
• Joko Beck, Everyday Zen
• Ton Lathouwers, More Than Anyone Can Do
• Keith Dowman (translator), The Flight of the Garuda
• Talks with Ramana Maharshi
• Etty Hillesum, Het verstoorde leven (I don't know if there's a translation). Synopsis: a Jewish woman who faced the fact that the Nazi's were going to kill all Jews, but choose to go on transport, and stay focussed on compassion with all the others unto the end. A deeply terrifying stance with regard to really stand for what matters.

And if, at some point, you'd like to dive into the specifics: early Buddhism and dhyana. Gombtich, Vetter, Bronkhorst, Wynne, Carole Lein, Gethin, and Gzegor Polak: what did the Buddha mean with dhyana? Not concentration meditation, as the Theravada tradition beliefs. Hint: anapanasati, which does not say to regulate the breath and focus on it, but says to cut down your life to what really matters, and then sit down and watch the breath, short breath, long breath, whatever: just see what's there. Polak, Reexamining Jhana, gives a good overview. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! These are great recommendations and I'll be bookmarking this reply! Also, I understand from your userpage that you aren't religious, so I don't know how much you've practiced anapanasati, but I must ask, how does one watch the breath without regulating it? I feel that once I am aware of my breath, I can't help regulate it. Do you use or know of any tips to stop this? Once again, many thanks! JungleEntity (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@JungleEntity: don't stop the regulating; just watch it. The breath regulates itself. Or not. In that case, you see what's happening: unrest, thoughts, associations, memories. You're also observing If you keep to this watsching, you may realize that there is breathing, cognition, etc., and the "you," the responses, summed up in "you," the regulator. When 'you' let go of regulating the breath, you also let go of this 'you'. There's watching; what is watching? A "who? Or is thre just watsching?

I don't know if I'm not religious; actually, probably the opposite: deeply religious. But not into metaphysics. And that's exactly where the wonder opens. I started practicing Zen-meditation over 30 years ago, but with a hiatus: somehow I'm not convinced that it's essential. My strongest convictions regarding Buddhism came before I started practicing, and were not due to "meditation." The realisation that 'sitting' is not about regulating the breath, but just watching it, watching this whole apparatus of responses, fits with those convictions.

Did you read Krishnamurti? He rejected each and every "method," and said "just observe." He also said that you don't have to sit down to do so; you can do it any time. That aligns with Vipassanna instructions, with Zen cautions (search Mazu tile polish) and shikantaza, and with Dogzchen's rigpa and trekcho.

It's not about peace for yourself; it's about seeing and understading how this mind works, and then apply it for a better cause. This world is in agony; that's where the real relevance is: if you can feel your own agony, you can also feel another's agony, and stay with it, instead of "changing" or belittling it. Back to square one, but now with compassion: stay with what is, without 'numbing' yourself. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:02, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

PS: actually, regarding Gombrich, Vetter, etc., the question drove me was what the Buddha's enlightenment, or liberation, did entail. There's surprisingly little on this in the sutras, and what's there is internally contradictionary. But that's my question; you have to follow your own questions/pain/doubt. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I've looked into what you've linked and recommended, and greatly appreciate it. It's given me a push into the right direction :)

I agree that Zen-meditation might not be essential. I've held skeptical views on a lot of Zen stuff, probably due to western movements that say they use Zen but turn out to be just crackpots or scammers. I am, however, trying to change that view. Krishnamurti is next on my reading list, and I've began to just observe my breath instead of actively controlling it (emphasis on began!).

Your words on agony are very well thought. Thank you for taking the time to answer my inquiries! JungleEntity (talk) 23:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Ānāpānasati Sutta

Hi Joshua Jonathan. You recently added text to Ānāpānasati Sutta in regard to Seven factors of awakening with the short form reference Bodhi 2006. However there is no Bodhi 2006 cite for the SFR to link with. Could you add the cite or let me know which work this refers to? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 14:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: Bikkhu Bodhi's translation of the Anapanasati Sutta, at SuttaCentral (probably). "2006" is a mistake; I used it because it was used for another web-reference. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I think there's a mix up here, the specific quote of "clear knowing" and release seems to come from Ananda Sutta (see here). I can't find "clear knowing" in regards to seven factors of awakening by Bikkhu Bodhi. Would it be valid to switch the reference to the one linked above? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: gotcha: Thanissaro (2006) link. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Corrected as per that link -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Reverts

Hi why are you reverting my edits. I am only adding information publicly available on national news websites.
1) On the page of "Shankaracharya" you removed information about Kanchi Peeth head Acharya using title of Shankaracharya apart from Four Mathas head. This title is used by only the head of these peeths others who use it have been called out by Indian courts.
2) Adi Shankara is believed to have founded the Four Amnaya Mathas. It's religious tradition and core belief of Hindus so I added it to his Page. And in body of Adi Shankara page there is only one scholar giving his opinion that they may have been established by Vidyaranya. Please let me know what I did wrong. hindustanam (talk) 05:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Includents.h: you are presenting beliefs as ghistorical facts. That's not uncommon, but here at Wikipedia we present what WP:RS state about a subject; news websites typically fail WP:RS. And it's not only one scholar who argues that those mathas were not established by Adi Shankara;

Vidyaranya founded a matha, proclaiming that it was established by Shankara himself.

References

As is quite obvious from the descriptions at the Adi Shankara page, the pr-eminence of Shankara only arose in the 15-16th century. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:59, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay I understood. Thanks for clearing up. So the fact that almost all practising Hindus believe him to be founder can be presented on top of Adi Shankara by stating its a "belief" only. I was very surprised to see this in the body section where as any common Hindu who knows Adi Shankara knows about his founding of Four Mathas as main contribution of him to Hindus. So I am saying is Can we atleast mention this in top of Adi Shankara Page "He is believed by Hindus to be founder of four Amnaya Mathas". If not tell me why because I think its most important thing he is "religiously" known for apart from Advaita Vendanta hindustanam (talk) 06:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Includents.h: it's a fascinating topic, precisely because these 'beliefs' about Adi Shankara are so deeply ingrained. The mathas are already mentioned in the lead: "These hagiographies portray him as founding four mathas ("monasteries")." The lead also mentions that Adi Shankara has an unparalleled status. NB: in case you're interested in the incongruencies of the protrayal of Shankara: try to find ...removing a powder dissolved in water by means of another powder counteracting with it. The powder liquidates the other powder and disappears itself. It's attributed to Adi Shankara, but actually comes from Mandana Misra; the tradition has attributed a lot of texts and teachings to Adi Shankara whic actually don't come from him. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing this up. I see its mentioned in the lead 4th paragraph itself I ony wished to add the "belief" into Infobox Template. If you can add about Mathas in 'Infobox Template' under proper heading as you can think of, it would be very useful. I am refraining myself from editing his page so if you can, please consider my proposal. hindustanam (talk) 06:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Exemplary edits on Kriya Yoga (Yoga school)

Thank you Joshua for your exemplary edits on the Kriya Yoga page! It is much easier to read now. Also thanks for taking care of the attack.Red Rose 13 (talk) 17:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC) Here is a barnstar for you!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Excellent job on the Kriya pages! Red Rose 13 (talk) 20:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Red Rose 13: thank you; you're welcome! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

My recent edits, sorry for the possible inconvenience

I see you have reverted my recent additions on Buddhism. I am not sure if I understand why, but I accept. Sorry for the inconvenience and possible trouble. My intention is to highlight the variation within Buddhism and the "not precise" view on these respective themes (just like the paragraphs I included). But anyway, you are an far longer editor in this topic, and if you think the article is good as it is, than I will refrain from making further additions of this kind. Thank you anyway and stay safe. :) BaiulyQz (talk) 18:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@BaiulyQz: thank you; I'll try to clarify my reverts. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Religion?

The sources in Rajaraja I, Rajadhiraja Chola, Rajendra Chola I, Rajendra Chola II says they were Shaivites, but it is being hijacked by some editors' POV. Please take a look into it. 2409:4073:40E:15FC:F98B:D4EC:3F3D:4BC (talk) 09:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Integral Theory

Agree to nominate for deletion. Bio page distinct from an organization (e.g., Jack Kornfield and Insight_Meditation_Society) makes sense, but if its only a theory and not widely recognized by researchers, let's just leave its content on the bio page. Any notability from outside sources? Martindo (talk) 10:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Martindo: I'd suggest merging it to the Wilber-page. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I generally dislike that method, which has been incorrectly used for Diamond Approach and Arica School. In the latter case, the bio page has almost zero bio info, partly due to fussiness about third-party sources. Martindo (talk) 04:56, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Zen Lineage Mel Weitsman

Template:Zen Lineage Mel Weitsman has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Template:Dhyana

Hi Joshua Jonathan. You new template isn't going to work as it is, unfortunately short form refs and transclusion don't work together. You'll need to copy the required cites to each article where you use the template, or convert the references to be inline. At the moment it just causes a lot of no target errors. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 17:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: I know; I hadn't copied the sources yet. I'll do it tomorrow. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:05, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello again Joshua Jonathan. In Template:Dhyana you've used Abdel 2016, but haven't defined any such work. Did you mean Arbel 2016? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:17, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: yes, indeed! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Note errors at The Buddha

Hey! This diff introduced some note group errors. Looks like a note copied from somewhere (I guess you know where) with cite links that now go nowhere. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:56, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Iskandar323: thanks; I hadn't noticed them, but solved them now. Thanks again. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

vijayanagara empire Official Name is karnata empire..

vijayanagara empire Official Name is karnata empire.. mentioned in inscriptions by kings in 14th -17th century on empire administration

vijayanagara term used as an empire by 20th century historians . so now we had as inscriptional source Pruthv 2345 (talk) 12:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Budha was not an avatar

hey Joshua Budha told himself he is not a god and as Hinduism Budha is not a god every Avatara came from the establishment of dharma hence Budha did not did such things . here we are talking about avatars of Vishnu they all are divine beings, not any sages. It's about Hindu mythology and the supreme god's incretion they did not born as human as Budha only exception is Krishna was a born human with many divine abilities. 007Ranjeet (talk) 15:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

i expect a reply Joshua 007Ranjeet (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@007Ranjeet: hi there! Your beliefs may be different from other people, but... simple fact is that the Buddha, at some point, came to be regarded, by quite a number of Hindus, as an avatar of Vishnu. You may not like it, or disagree with it, but this is an historical fact. And, as a good advice: stop removing what you don't like; otherwise, you'll surely be blocked. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

it is for making Buddhism popular in the name of Vishnu history is vandalized by some people 007Ranjeet (talk) 02:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Page views spike

Hi, JJ (okay if I call you that?),

Was just wondering if you have any insight into what caused the recent spike in page views?

Note that typical viewership is around 10 – 20 per day until 10/18, when it started to spike, and is now around 6,000. That's over two orders of magnitude. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 05:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Because the article wasn't at that title until 10/20, which tracks. Before that date you'd need to track the previous title for accurate pageviews of the topic, rather than the exact title. - Aoidh (talk) 05:42, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! I guess I must've thought redirects were included in the views, but I guess not. Mathglot (talk) 06:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot: "JJ" is fine; many editors call me so. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:32, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Mathglot (talk) 07:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Did someone change a bunch of the redirects on the 27th or did a bot just fix the double redirects? There's a dramatic reversal in the flow of the traffic. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:15, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

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Query

I have provided infos with RM. Then why it is reverted? জাবিরটটক (talk) 00:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Bhagavad Gita

Sir, Can you explain me, how a simple info with reference can be regarded as disruptive content? "Gita" / Authorship জাবিরটটক (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@জাবিরটটক: I've explained this at the talkpage. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:17, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Joshua Jonathan, I come here in hope of getting some advice. I recently came to look at Koli rebellions for the usual reference-gnoming reasons, and having read some of the article proposed it for deletion: you can see my rationale here. Basically I think it's a pile of PoV pushing synthesised mostly by a blocked sockpuppet. The prod was removed by an IP editor (who seemed to conflate WP:PROD and WP:CSD, but that's beside the point). Before I take it to AfD and ask for it to be deleted per WP:TNT, though, I would like the opinion of somebody who knows a bit more about Indian history than I do. Is the topic notable? If so, is the article neutral and well enough sourced that it can be left in place? I'd be grateful for your thoughts, even if they are "I don't know and you should ask X instead"! Thanks, Wham2001 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wham2001: the topic seems notable to me - it's already covered in Kol uprising... So, keep and merge. Maybe bring it to the attention of a wider audience at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics? Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Wham2001: I'd second Joshua's advice to open a discussion at either WT:INB or at the article tlkpage. And when you do, ping some editors from this previous discussion such as Sajaypal007 and NitinMlk etc who may be able to weigh in on the content. In the meantime. I'll ECP the article, since this whole topic area is constantly disrupted of a prolific sockmaster. Abecedare (talk) 05:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the page history more carefully, I see that all substantial edits (and the prod-tag removal) were by sock accounts/IPs of the above-mentioned master. So I have gone ahead and speedy-deleted the page under WP:G5. The subject is notable but your and other good-faith editors' time would be better spent expanding and improving Kol uprising rather than cleaning up after a long-term abuser. Thanks for spotting this problematic creation! Abecedare (talk) 06:07, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank-you both for the swift answer and action! I did wonder whether the IPs were connected to the sock farm – having read the linked discussion, now I know... Best, Wham2001 (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding SHAKYA Caste Wikipage

Hinduism is right PawanShakya1 (talk) 15:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@PawanShakya1: the Shakyas were non-Vedic, and Hinduism did not exist at that time. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:09, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Hinduism is another name of Sanatan Dharma PawanShakya1 (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you belong to Shakya Clan ? PawanShakya1 (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you from Indian Subcontinent? PawanShakya1 (talk) 18:15, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit?

Why did you revert my edit? Sri lankan sinhala (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sri lankan sinhala: the "infobox religion" is a disputed infobox, and inferior to the Buddhism infobox. If you think it's worthwhile to add it, you should first discuss this at the talkpage. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Buddhism#Info-dump

FYI: [4]. This sockmaster has always been fond of creating personae, though somewhat unexpected in this topic range, isn't it? But then, for some pretending to come from a region where folk Buddhist traditions prevail, his arguments looked very bookish, very much what you'd expect from someone who learns about Buddhism from the literature alone, without personal experience and immersion. Austronesier (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Burial and empty tomb of Jesus and Resurrection of Jesus

Hi Joshua Jonathan. Could you add the required cite for "Evans 2005" to Burial and empty tomb of Jesus? It's also missing at Resurrection of Jesus, were "McCane 2003" is also needs to be defined. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:05, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: sure! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello - I made some edits to empty tomb and noticed that you have been editing there recently. Some of the material in the lead seemed to be quite pointy rather than summarize the the topic. I have moved those out of the lead and have provided a citation for my minor rewording. I hope you can see where I am coming from. Enjoy the holidays, desmay (talk) 21:06, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Bultmann 1968 needs defining at Resurrection of Jesus and Empty tomb. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 21:31, 26 December 2022 (UTC)