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Hasty Pudding Theatricals[edit]

Please don't delete content saying "Can't find anything on this." (NOTE: link corrected) without at least reading the article and making a perfunctory search. For the "cross-dressing" part, the text in the body of the article says "the cast has been constructed without taking gender into account". The "musical" part is well-documented. The "burlesque" part is a self-definition. [1] --Macrakis (talk) 21:20, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, when I did my "perfunctory search", I could not find any sources saying they were "known for crossdressing". I don't think the book you cited carries enough weight for this, especially because the book isn't focused on the Hasty Pudding group solely. I agree that my removal of "burlesque" may have been too much, but I think including "crossdressing" in the opening sentence is a bit too much. Of course, being a historically male-only club, students would dress and perform the female parts, but I wouldn't consider this to be notable enough for the opening sentence. Many theatrical productions crossdressed, as many only had a male cast. I understand that the club is now open to all, and that they still use the ""the cast has been constructed without taking gender into account", but I'd still be hesitant to include that they were "known for crossdressing" in the opening sentence. When I first read this article, I was reminded more of drag than people playing a certain theatrical role, regardless of their actual gender. Unlike drag, Hasty Pudding is not focused on crossdressing in their performances, it is merely a side effect. I don't doubt others had the same confusion as me.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's still important that we mention that casting doesn't take into account the actor's gender, but I think as of now, the opening sentence gives a different impression of what Hasty Pudding actually is. JungleEntity (talk) 21:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Hasty Pudding's own website, I think a better opening would be "is known for its burlesque performances, often including contemporary social and political topics." "touching on" might sound better than "including", but I think the social commentary is present enough in their performances to warrant "including". JungleEntity (talk) 21:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first result for the Google search [hasty pudding cross-dressing] brings up a 2019 article from the Harvard Crimson saying "We usually don't talk about our cross-dressing as 'drag'". The second result is a 2015 article from the public TV station WGBH titled "Harvard Women Attempt To Make Cross-Dressing Hasty Pudding Show Co-ed". The organization's self-description says "Our show is full of puns, cross-dressing, ridiculous plot twists, and it culminates in a kick line!". Sounds pretty salient to me. --Macrakis (talk) 01:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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