User talk:Truthwanted
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Your edits to Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]
Please check your email or read this. - CobaltBlueTony 14:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Please discuss before making significant changes. Thank you. - CobaltBlueTony 19:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- The material you are trying to reintroduce was thoroughly reviewed by other editors here. Please review carefully all information before continuing with this dead-end. - CobaltBlueTony 19:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on a page. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. - CobaltBlueTony 19:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
July 11, 2006 edits[edit]
- Penton's opinions are highly charged and should not be inserted into Wikipedia as simple facts. His opinion CAN, however, be inserted as his opinion, holding weight due to his scholarly background and approach. Penton states that Witness leaders often make the claim that they stood against the Nazi regime, but all Witnesses will assert the same, especially those wohse personal experiences validate that claim.
- I think I understand the nature of your viewpoint, or at least, what aspect of Witnesses does not make sense to you, and why you thus wish to join yourself to the notion that the Watch Tower Society tried to curry favor with the Nazi government. One word: neutrality. Witnesses will do their utmost to remain separate from the politics of this world, citing Jesus, command to remain 'separate,' 'without spot', from the world. When some of the Jews tried to make him king, he refused, stating that his kingsom was heavenly. History shows that first-century Chrisstians likewise stayed out of Judean and Roman politics, even to the point of subjecting themselves to torture and sadistic deaths in the Roman games.
- Similarly, Witnesses in Rwanda, who were from both the Hutu and Tutsi tribes, remained neutral as to the cause(s) of the violence there in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and because of this, they were subjected to horrific acts of unspeakable violence by their own respective ethnic brothers. Witnesses of one tribe would hide their spiritual brethren, even baing injured or killed themselves to keep the locations of their brethren hidden. In any land where the safety or the preaching work of the Witnesses is in jeopardy, Witness "leadership" sends letters to political leaders and diplomats, appealing to human rights and religious freedom. This type of public action is in line with Paul's admonition to "defend and legally establish the good news." Witnesses do not turn a blind eye to the suffering of their brethren, but never EVER use violence, coersion or other unethical and unscriptural means to speak out on their behalf. This would damage their relationship with their God and irreparably hinder their prayers.
- So while the language of the Declaration of Facts seems easy to manipulate, and doesn't escape the misinterpretation of otherwise well-meaning scholars, only those without an agenda can see that the Witnesses never intended to take part in any unpeakable acts in which the Nazis later fomented. Political neutrality kept them from standing with any human government; indeed, the Soviets called them capitalists, the Americans called them communist, and Hitler called them "quacks" who would never survive his administration. Every last one of them was wrong. Christian neutrality keeps us loyal to the only rightful ruler of mankind. - CobaltBlueTony 17:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
July 13, 2006 edit(s)[edit]
- Thank you for recognizing your error in deleting the link to the English translation of the Declaration of Facts, and correcting it. However, you still seem to miss the point. Especially with this particular article, reproducing text ad nauseum 1) appears to be original research, even though it's not; 2) is POV (point-of-view) pushing, that is, adding weight to your opinion by expanding the amount of material beyond what is academically expected (seeing that only Penton presents this, while others do not, nor appear to accept it); and 3) is rude to other editors besides the Witness editors because you ignore their inferred opinions as well (inferred by their support of its reversion to the previous presentation of the material in question). Please read carefully all the comments. You were presented with an option to more efficiently present your point, yet not necessarily the exact text again and again, but you persist in edit warring with us instead. Please understand that everyone here, including the Witness editors, are interested in an academically sound approach. By being more cooperative and even "editing for the other side" as it were, you will help to preserve the peace and support the neutral point-of-view guiding policy of Wikipedia. Thanks. - CobaltBlueTony 19:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
User notice: temporary 3RR block[edit]
Regarding reversions[1] made on July 6 2006 (UTC) to Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]
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You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. |
User notice: temporary 3RR block[edit]
Regarding reversions[2] made on July 12 2006 (UTC) to Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses [edit]
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You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. |
Re: Need mediation[edit]
Hello! Thank you for your request. If you would like to request mediation, please do so at WP:RfM. Unfortunately, I've been swamped lately and will most likely not have time to take any new cases for the next week or so, but I'm sure another mediator will be happy to take a look at your case once you have requested it. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 04:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
3rr warning[edit]
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. Due to the established connection (Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Truthwanted) between your account and your IP the next edit from either will bring you in violation of WP:3RR. Agathoclea 23:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
User notice: temporary 3RR block[edit]
Regarding reversions[3] made on July 16 2006 (UTC) to Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]
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You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. |
Your edit to Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]
Are we back to this again? We require mediation, so let's engage in that before more edit wars. - CobaltBlueTony 18:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Truthwanted are you willing to engage in mediation on this subject? Benon 22:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Blocked for edit warring on Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]
I've blocked you and your IP address for one week for repeated 3rr violations, and for using a sockpuppet to edit war. When you come back, please use the talk page to work toward compromise and consensus. Tom Harrison Talk 23:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
In reply to your email, I blocked you for violating the three-revert rule on Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses. This is your fourth block for that on the same article. Whether logged in or not, the reverts are yours. If you persist in this behavior, it will not be possible for you to edit here. Tom Harrison Talk 12:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
There is no question that your earlier blocks happened because you voilated the three-revert rule. After your block is up you can seek mediation. Wikipedia operates by consensus. You can't just keep reverting, you have to convince the other editors with reasoned argument. Tom Harrison Talk 15:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Our articles are edited by whoever wants to edit them. If you want to bring a different mix of users to a page, you can try a request for comment. Tom Harrison Talk 13:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)