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Test[edit]

Test edit -- penubag  (talk) 00:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Nintendo.svg[edit]

It's back! Go ahead. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:209.244.43.122[edit]

Thanks! I did not know we had this template. I will apply it to the other IP addresses. --209.244.43.122 (talk) 18:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No prob. -- penubag  (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

about your image[edit]

i dont know wich font you used in your image but it would seem that svg can not handle it as font. there is an option to "outline" text in order to convert it to graphic. this should help you to make it show correctly. and as for the general quality of the lines i believe that you have too many points in your lines that makes them so "disorted". adobe illustrator tells e your file is damaged since he can not show a "part" of the image. wich is the text. try doing what i told you, and let me know if it works -LadyofHats (talk) 08:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Penu-Bag[edit]

Ok see i want one of those Shoutboxes can you make me one please. -- " The Annihilator 21:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Penubag your so cool the best wikipedian ever make sure to find my userpage check wikia.com to find my userpage and all wikias to will findare like oer one-hundred thats how many wikias there is thats a lot of wikias like Family Guy, Wikia Cloverfield Wikia also check a many wikia that are available ok. -- " Alestorm Rules. 23:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

'My Quest'[edit]

My lust for becoming a administrator has began Through Dangerous Seas, Through Killer Vandals, Over The Seas I Will Become Victorious Forever i Will Win. -- " Alestorm Rules. 23:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
What i am saying is can you help me become an admin. -- " Alestorm Rules. 23:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I Am Sorry[edit]

For Vandalizeing The Advance Wars:Days of Ruin Artical Could you please tell me what i said... i dont remember

anyways please forgive me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.73.96 (talk) 00:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Adoption thing[edit]

What is with the adoption thing if it is a good thing than can you adopt me and how does this type of thing work anyways. -- " Annihilation, Termination and Destruction 00:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The Next Step[edit]

After giving it some thought and having nothing more exciting to do, I cleaned up Advance Wars: Days of Ruin and nominated it for GA status. This is monumental for me, since it was the first article I edited here, and hopefully my work in the article will be made worthwhile by a successful nomination, although if it fails at least it can be improved. All I have to do now is wait (which could be a month or so; the backlog on GAN is massive).  Comandante Talk 04:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.  Comandante Talk 19:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

It's odd. I've been anxiously awaiting this vindication of my effort, and then the moment passes me by. I've been spending the past hour trying to find the Wikipedians against censorship thing, but it has thus far eluded me. I can't remeber the full name of the page, nor can I find the user where I saw the userbox link for it either, and searches on WP turn up nothing. Utterly frustrating. That aside, it's a great feeling to see the article reach this milestone; I know I'm on the right track. At some point in the future I hope to get it to FA, but I'll take my time there. Thanks for pointing it out, I may never have noticed (for a few more hours). -- Comandante {Talk} 01:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Found the censorship thing by looking under WP:Userboxes. Two hours wasted. -- Comandante {Talk} 02:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy easter![edit]

Re: SEWP WikiProject Music Asia[edit]

Thank you. I'll ask you when I need help but I'll try not to bother you too much. [Alexhl] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.68.28 (talk) 16:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Penubag/Sandbox/Article[edit]

I am very new here so I don't understand things. What is the reason for this article: User:Penubag/Sandbox/Article? and most of all, why does it show in the categories: Hymenoptera, bees, pollinators? Polinizador (talk) 02:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:[edit]

Hey, I know, it's been forever! Ya know, I don't really remember. All I know is that yours was the first userpage I'd ever seen ^_^ elisatalk. 12:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Haha yeah elisatalk. 12:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Tell me how to make a navigation bar for other user's[edit]

  • Can you tell me how to make on of tose navigation bar's or sidebar's cause well everything to have done for me has been a very good thing and i will be greatful and make of my own for a user cause i think they deserve it cause well user's should let other user's look through your userpage and find a link to it they should have a navigation bar so that they may look at all page's just from a bar. ---_--- Demon Hunter Rules  {UserTalkPage} 21:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)---_---

Subject not written[edit]

Dear sir,

You have done a very well history of pakistan but the problem is that your history has not mesioned genntajammmul hussain malik who had saved lahore and if u do not believe me, try it to check ur last documents as gen . tajammul hbussain mlikm name is not their http://www.hondacivic08@live.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.47.153 (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

small world,[edit]

Kevin,

I'm at the Dullas airport in WDC waiting for a flight to LAX. I just signed up on this site to learn how it works.. small world note is that I too live in Moorpark, (spell it backwards) ..

Anyway, just wanted to say hi.. and I'm sure that I'll be seeing your work from time to time, now that I'm in the loop. Pat —Preceding unsigned comment added by VOR2 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Kevin[edit]

Please forgive that I do not know how to use the sandbox and so I did push the save button. I know that my tone and the wording could flow much better and any editing you can do is welcome as stated in the information I left. I thought originally that a prior editor of Wikipedia was weird with prejudice possibly towards me and this is another reason I researched and went to court to file for the preclusion of slander and/or prejudice against me in the media. My goal is the same as wikipedia to the the extent that I just want the facts reported as I am sure you do. Thank you for understanding and please do not be offended by my tone (that I again welcome your expertise to for making it flow more properly. God bless you. Feel free to talk to me anytime about this. I am also recruiting and training people in politics and I did not have time to go into everything. Also, I know some of this information should cross over to a personal page about me and to another about the new political party. I hope I got the party platform across better, as it is much like the republican platform, as once ran as a Republican and I have endorsed Mike Huckabee, and can endorse any Republican although I started this new party because the focus is to also end religious prejudice in government, and yet the party supports freedom of religious expression for everyone, regardless of their faith. So although we concentrate on the name "Jewish-Christian National Party" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.121.111.243 (talk) 19:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Images[edit]

I've arranged images on Commons so that both Image:Writer's barnstar.png and Image:Guestbook barnstar.png could exist separately. Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 12:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Fine with me :) -- penubag  (talk) 23:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: User talk:194.152.153.232[edit]

No problem :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.152.153.232 (talk) 10:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

  • I have a question for you, when are you going on break and when are you coming back cause i will be missing you when you are gone so please i can prepare myself so when you you leave i will be prepared.  Demon Hunter Rules  {Kate Beckinsale is hot} 21:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks telling me and thank you for using the B.U.S.Y. but like how i did it i will tell you what it means "Being Under Satan's Yoke" that is really gweird.  Demon Hunter Rules  {{SUBST:Kate Beckinsale is hot}} 20:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Ambox emblem question yellow[edit]

Hey, I noticed you uploaded this image, but the drop shadow was a solid oval (rather than a radial gradient). It looked awesome otherwise. I took the liberty of fixing the shadow and I just thought I would let you know in case you want to revert for some reason. Hope you don't mind! Cheers! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the radial shadow, I was just too lazy to go and fix it myself, although I was thinking about it ...if I knew how. Originally it had a radial shadow, but for some reason it wouldn't upload as one. I've tried Adobe Illustrator and inkscape, so if you don't mind letting me in on your secret, that'd be great! As for converting that clock image into SVG, I really haven't had the time, but I promise I'll get to it soon. Thanks! -- penubag (talk) 02:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
For some reason I'm pretty sure Adobe Illustrator doesn't currently support alpha controls for colour stops in gradients. In Illustrator, you can adjust the master opacity of a layer and that's it. If you open a file (like you did) into Illustrator, it ditches the opacity for some reason. Frustrating. So yeah, I opened your file in Inkscape and selected the shadow oval. Then I went to Object>Fill and Stroke and then clicked Edit... to modify the radial gradient. I just moved the opacity slider down to zero and voila! Hope that helps! Cheers! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 02:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the tip, I'll take note of it. Actually when I recall my inkscape problems, it was actually the blur tool that didn't upload correctly (which was what I tried using). I finished with the clock png->svg process but sadly, the png version looks much, much better when scaled down to 50px. Maybe you have an idea? -- penubag (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Here are the previews:

Honestly I've never really used Inkscape before and I used it yesterday for the second time so I don't know anything about the blur tool. I did find this awesome link that shows you how to add a gaussian blur to the source code—note that you need to be pretty savvy and patient to get this to work properly: http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_filters_gaussian.asp. Essentially just add this:
<defs>
<filter id="Gaussian_Blur">
<feGaussianBlur in="SourceGraphic" stdDeviation="3" />
</filter>
</defs>
... add that near the top (in the same location as on the website, just underneath those XML definitions). Then, whatever your shape is, just add the part in bold: <ellipse cx="200" cy="150" rx="70" ry="40" style="filter:url(#Gaussian_Blur)"/> The XML code typically looks a bit different if you draw your images using Illustrator. I've noticed that generally the stroke and fill colours are defined near the beginning rather than in the style section. Anyways, I won't get into too much detail but look at that site and perhaps play around with it. I've been using gaussian blur with a bunch of my images recently. Also note that Wikimedia's SVG>PNG renderer has a tendency to F up. For example, this image looked perfect in Illustrator:

As you can see the one pixel difference in size drastically changes the look... it's strange, I know. So you can try playing around with that and see if you can get the blur to work. Oooh and another handy tip is Firefox 3.0 (beta) adds SVG functionality and will natively draw gaussian blurs correctly. In Firefox 2.0, the blurs don't show up (if you are looking directly at the .svg file). Anyways, I won't get into anymore detail here because I don't want to flood your talk page. About the clock, perhaps I'll look at it later today and try to fix the trace (by redrawing portions of it that could be simplified with gradients). Hope this helps! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 07:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and be careful with licensing. Never release an image you've created under {{pd-self}} if it was originally something else, like in this case LGPL. I fixed the licensing for you. Cheers! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 07:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Crystal Clear app clock.svg[edit]

I completely drew this from scratch. Cheers! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 02:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I've already replaced the PNG clock with the SVG clock on every template I could find. We should definitely work on the news release template. Perhaps something like this with PR on it... Image:Newspaper Cover.svg. Oh and about the rendering errors, try looking at this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SVG_fonts. You might just be using an unsupported font. When I use fonts, I generally convert them to outlines so that they render correctly—the downside is that the text is no longer editable and it will increase the filesize. -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 17:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Freebodydiagram3_pn.svg[edit]

I noticed Image:Freebodydiagram3_pn.svg. Although the transmissibility principle allows you to move it and get the same result, the diagrams would be more technically correct if normal force was shown acting at the surface of the object, not a point in the middle (being a surface force and not a body force like gravity). It'd also be nice if they were too separate pictures (No reason to group two diagrams into one). I lack the edit capability to fix it myself so thought i'd raise it here.

Noodle snacks (talk) 03:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Newsrelease tag graphic[edit]

Nice job on the graphic for {{newsrelease}}. Thanks! - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it looks great -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 03:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thank you thank you thank you!!! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 05:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The Panda Nullification Award
Thank you so much for the barnstar! You too have made many quality contributions to Wikipedia and we all appreciate it! -- Tkgd2007 (talk) 05:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Re: :Freebody diagram[edit]

The principle of transmissibility lets you put the force in the middle of the object, or on the surface. My point is that the reaction force and shear force should be shown at the surface of the object, like in the image you sent as these forces don't occur in the middle of the object. The force of gravity can be represented as a force downwards at the center of mass of the object however. Make sense? Noodle snacks (talk) 06:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested Move[edit]

Nice home page![edit]

I won't be here though...Car race got awry...Trouble with the PD.-- Vintei  Talk  00:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I miss you too buddy! Well, China unblocked a PART of Wiki. Huh. Glass half full. When the text contains "Taiwan", "China", "commie" and "human rights" it shuts you off. Man I f--king want to blow the government up!!! I mean, right now I'm not in China, but hey, a bunch of guys want to edit Wiki from China. Yea and the car race? Partially destroyed a construction yard. Good thing the crane didn't fall on my head. And my car is half busted, engine smashed a bit, 1 blown suspension. That's a 600hp V8 old Lamboghini engine! Man how am I ever going to repair that. Consumes a lot, 15 MPG city, and really loud too, wakes the neighbours up. Their kids really like it though. Well, mm, next race I will be taking on a Porsche 911 Turbo (where the heck did the guy get this car, I mean is he Yakuza or what), winner takes the car of the other guy. So I really need to win!!! And that's pretty much it. Anyway, take care, have fun!-- Vintei  Talk  22:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Concerning Image:Freebodydiagram3 pn.svg and Image:Freebodydiagram PNBG.png[edit]

Hello,

I read your discussion with Jean-Jacques MILAN. I myself had some problems with him (he is a very good mechanician but often rude) and I think I understand what he does not like in these pictures:

  1. instead of the N and F forces, you should put a single force R (reaction of the plane) and show this force can be decomposed in two forces, N and F; R is "real", N end F are only projections of R;
  2. the application point — where the arrow start or end — should be on the plane (same as Noodle snacks message above), and in the case of the slope, not in the middle of the object but on the right so the R vector points towards the center of gravity of the object (thus the torque is zero).

Hope this helps.

cdang|write me 10:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC) (better contact me on fr)

You may look at this picture or this one to see what I considere as a correct picture.
cdang|write me 15:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Why?[edit]

Why do i have a speedy deletion of Jeff Lovingood article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtgarner22 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

what have you done to influence this world? jeff lovingood is known in hendersonville, tennessee it seems to be a good thing to have for people who dont know him and want to her in this city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtgarner22 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

i mean i dont know what you want to provide for you...explain and ill try to add some evidence of his "influence". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtgarner22 (talk • contribs) 05:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

oh external links okay i gotcha just gimma a little bit and ill put some up for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtgarner22 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion[edit]

Hi. I'm sending this to you because you participated in the Centralized discussion on image placeholders that ended on 23 April.

That discussion must produce a conclusion.

We originally asked "Should the addition of this box [example right] be allowed? Does the placeholder system and graphic image need to be improved to satisfy policies and guidelines for inclusion? Is it appropriate to some kinds of biographies, but not to others?" (See introduction).

Conclusions to centralized discussions are either marked as 'policy', 'guideline', 'endorsed', 'rejected', 'no consensus', or 'no change' etc. We should now decide for this discussion.

Please read and approve or disapprove the section here: Conclusion --Kleinzach (talk) 11:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please note this message conforms to WP:CANVASSING and has not been sent to anyone has not already participated in the centralized discussion.

24 WikiProject.[edit]

I'd like to invite you to the 24 Wikiproject. I feel you would make a great addition to our project. If you would like to join, let me know, I'd really appreciate your help. Also, I saw you changed an image, [1], but it's caused an issue, namely with our templates such as [2]. I hope you can help out. Cheers, Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 00:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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I'd leave another one, but It's unneeded. You have a new message on my talk page. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool! I'll go read! Thanks for posting these, because I don't have your page on my watchlist. -- penubag  (talk) 01:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I don't think there's anything else I really need at the moment. Thanks a lot :) You really helped me out. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, I like the new image :D. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 22:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you think you could help me make a Wikiproject barnstar? :D I know there's a 3D looking black barnstar somewhere, I saw it once and I haven't been able to find it again. :S Can you help out? :D Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 23:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

O That's cool :D Could you make the 24 text yellow? Or would it look better as it is right now? :D Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 23:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I might have a play with the image :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 23:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Project image[edit]

Would you have interest in creating a signature image for this purpose? Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 08:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
Thank you for your picture help. Rhanyeia♥♫ 18:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)        
Thank you!-- penubag  (talk) 00:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

help[edit]

i noticed that you are a fellow inclusionist.....can you remove the speedy deletion tag on ice nine kills? thanks Guitardude3600 (talk) 17:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that it got deleted. You can ask an administrator to restore it and then I can possibly help. -- penubag  (talk) 03:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the awesome tip about expanding the watch list at the village pump. I hadn't been keeping track of all those options, but maybe I should take a closer look! --Eliyak T·C 00:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! Glad to be of service! -- penubag  (talk) 03:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

WMF[edit]

Did you see the discussion on my talk page re the disclaimer - yes, I know it's obvious but it's taking a page from the Wikinews book and adding a standard disclaimer that we're writing about ourselves. I've re-added it for now -- Tawker (talk) 03:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Smile![edit]

Hello Penubag/Archives, ShakespearesZombie has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Reply to "General svg note"[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robertcathles#General_svg_note

Ah yes, the SVG picture. I realised this a while ago, the SVg was not correct. I tried to delete it from Wikpedia but found out that it would only be deleted if it broke copyright or ad administrator looked at it. I request its deletion.

Thank you for bringing this up, I've been waiting some time for someone to ask me about it.

Cheers and all the best; --rjcuk (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for the reply. Unfortunately the PNG version was deleted and it wasn't originally mine so this version might need to be converted back! --rjcuk (talk) 22:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I was gonna convert it myself but you went ahead and did it for me! Thanks again, --rjcuk (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Secret page[edit]

Ha ha! I found your secret page!--LAAFan 22:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I blanked the page because it was causing problems -- penubag  (talk) 00:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ray Tracing[edit]

You redirected Ray tracing to a non-standard disambig page with a comment that you "believe the physics article is more looked up". The article now called Ray tracing (graphics) was accessed a rough average of 800 times a day this month whereas Ray tracing (physics) was accessed roughly 35 times per day this month. Please consider undoing your changes. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Alt History[edit]

Well, for starters, I can definitely say that my favorite alternate history scenario is if the South won the Civil War. The other big one is, of course, the obligatory Nazi-won WWII, but I prefer the first scenario in that the world could have ended up so different. Would there have even been a WWII, or a WWI? Anyway, since I'm assuming you can make do with fiction, some of the best novels on the matter are Bring the Jubilee, The Guns of the South, and How Few Remain. The first two are less rooted in reality, with things like time travel being major parts of the plot, but the third book is the first an a longer saga (timeline-191), which describes a much more probable world.

If you would prefer the Nazi victory timeline, however, look into The Man in the High Castle; there are likely other good stories in this line, but I've only really read one, since the others are short stories and only available in many cases as anthologies. If possible, look for The Best Alternate History Stories of the 20th Century, a very good collection edited by Harry Turtledove and Martin H. Greenburg.

If you need anything else, then let me know. I'm no expert, but alternate history is one of my favorite hobbies. -- Comandante {Talk} 21:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

My favorite alternate history scenario is when the New World is discovered, the native race there is an intelligent species of velociraptor, who capture the explorers, eat some of them, and start copying their ships. It is then up to the surviving prisoners to escape and warn Europe so it can prepare for the forthcoming invasion by the New Worlders. The Transhumanist 02:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

?[edit]

When you sign your prsts with four tidles how do you get your name colorful like that?--RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 00:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

the userboxes[edit]

copyright, images, inclusionist, hacker Machete97 (talk) 22:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

ta muchly my good man! why dont you release your userboxes ? Machete97 (talk) 00:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm Partially Back.[edit]

Well.. Here I am.. again.. Hope you missed me =] I saw my page.. and I noticed that you helped clean some of the vandalism in my page... twice... like 2 months ago.. Thanks for keeping my page clean even when I was away. Anyways, your new page looks kinda weird.. I liked your old one better. Uchiha23 01:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Awards[edit]

Hello, i was wondering if you would mind sharing the code for the awards section on your user page. Thanks in advance.
munchman | talk; 07:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. And thankjs for the quick reply. munchman | talk; 07:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite image[edit]

Hello, could you please change image on {{Cleanup-rewrite}}? When I saw it my first reaction was tampax!... Even from a closer look it's quite hard to tell what it supposed to be, and I think prior image was so much better. Renata (talk) 07:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Renata (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Smashball image[edit]

Thanks for adding that SVG template. I am a cheapstake and edit using Paint.NET. Therefore, I do not have the resources for converting it into a vector image. Your commons userpage says you will convert any upon request? So could you do so, please? Thanks. ([3]) --haha169 (talk) 08:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. However, I have a couple concerns. Why did you make the transparent lines white? They are transparent in all games so far I see, so it would be nice to make it transparent again. Other than that, great! --haha169 (talk) 19:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, its no problem at all! I'm planning on using this image for a Featured Topic, but that nomination won’t be happening for a while. You’ve got a few months to spend on that! (lol) And also, could you link to the original PNG image in the description or source section of the image? Thanks. --haha169 (talk) 04:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Email[edit]

Check your email :) - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 15:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Just sent you another email. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 22:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

#$%^&*()*!!![edit]

Augajigabug loogidube shilifrimpazoidalnagafrackilous mogomogo dimfry quan!

The Transhumanist 22:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Kaa chu-pika-pika-ka piikaa pikapi pi pika-chu Ka chu Pipi Chu Pi piikachu! pi Pi Piikachu kaa pika-chu-chu! piii'pi pikaa! chu pii chu'Pi Pipi Pipi ka Kaa pikachu. piii'pi Kachu! pi'chu Chu chu Pi chuu Pi-i kaaa, chu kaa! [4] -- penubag  (talk) 03:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S...[edit]

You said above to feel fee to leave a message of any sort.  :) The Transhumanist 22:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:-D Figure out what I wrote. heh, heh, heh -- penubag  (talk) 03:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Your report to AIV[edit]

Hi. Thanks for reporting a vandal. Generally, admins are reluctant to block users, which is why we look for lots of recent disruptive activity before we block. This is especially true of shared IP addresses (and even more true of school/college/library IPs). The address you reported has just one incident of vandalism on its track record and lots of other constructive edits too. Check it out. I'm afraid that therefore I removed your report from AIV but please do continue to keep an eye out for vandals. --Dweller (talk) 15:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

NB What you should have done was warn the IP. If you install WP:TWINKLE, it will revert and warn for you in one fell swoop. --Dweller (talk) 15:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
That's fine. I well remember that AIV can be a bit frustrating at times - especially at first. --Dweller (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Dweller! Fancy meeting you here.  :) The Transhumanist 23:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
It really is a small world :) -- penubag  (talk) 04:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


Email[edit]

Check your email. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 22:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again[edit]

Heheh, I don't remember if I already thanked you, but thanks again for that barnstar from a while back :) Powerslave (talk|cont.) 02:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Warning flag images[edit]

Hello, Penubag/Archives ...

FYI, I spent a lot of time a few months ago regularizing the flag images on the CSD warning templates and Prod-related templates to give them a common 3D appearance ...

  • - Nuvola apps important blue.svg
  • - Nuvola apps important yellow.svg
  • - Nuvola apps important

Please don't replace them with different icons ... Happy Editing! — 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) 20:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done OK, I have replaced the Nuvola apps icons with Ambox icons in the {{Flag-article}} and {{Flag-editor}} templates ... thnx fer the heads up on the change in consensus. :-) — 151.200.237.53 (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Icon change on Template:Uw-Recreated[edit]

I reverted your change to {{uw-Recreated}} for two reasons. First, the change should be discussed at WT:UTM (I doubt there will be opposition). Once consensus is determined, the change should be made on all the uw-* templates using that image for consistency (I would probably end up compiling a list, and then either getting someone with AWB to do the search-and-replace or just plowing through it myself). Anomie⚔ 21:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Blog[edit]

Have you been reading the WikiPolitics blog at all? - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 21:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

User:Diligent Terrier/Barnstar

Image:Imbox content.png[edit]

Is there any way you could make Image:Imbox content.png an SVG or a larger, clearer PNG? Thanks. MBisanz talk 08:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Graphics[edit]

The collaboration/competition is independent from the AWC, and can be hosted at any number of places. Wherever we have it will probably be an improvement over the current AWC. So it's good news, not bad.

I still need your help completing the graphics.

Thank you for the heads up. The Transhumanist 22:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

AWC[edit]

You probably don't know who I am, but I am a user who also supports the AWC. Because it's most likely going to be deleted, I have begun to work on a new page, the Challenge Center (I didn't add the link because writing my username is repetitive. If you want to see it, it's on the top of my userpage.) Anyway, looking at the MFD for AWC, I saw the deletionists want updaters. Therefore, I intend to have three overseers of the site. I would be one, but I am looking for two others. I also saw you are a good graphics person, so, if you accept, any updates to the page (graphically or content) would be more than welcome. Please reply back. --LAAFan 04:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. I deleted the page.--LAAFan 18:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Question[edit]

I noticed that you had updated the budgerigar page repeatedly, and was wondering if you could answer a question of mine. I have had my budgie for over a year and a half now, and the cere still remains resolutely pink. What gender is my budgie? Thanks,ISmellDonuts (talk) 03:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Budgie Cere[edit]

The cere is entirely pink form a distance, but there are various tints of purple and blue when you look closely. Its coloring is almost entirely white with black speckles, although there is a small, very dark blue patch which is usuallly concealed by its wings. It has no iris. I thought it was male initially, hence the name "Earl". It is currently early summer where I live. Also, do you have any tips on shyness? The budgie in question is not aggresive, just very shy. He will do anything to avoid being handled. I suspect that this may arise from the fact that he has lived alone for over a year now. He originally had a cagemate, but his friend was killed in an unfortunate run in wth my little dog. The poor guy's wings were freshly clipped, and of course, he stood no chance of escaping. The scary thing is that I was downstairs at the time (the incident occured in my bedroom, and I did not hear anything. Will my remaining bird ever consent to be handled again? And i thought dogs did well with birds. I've seen several photos of budgies sitting atop dog's heads. Even sleeping with them. It's a double-tragedy, because you can never quite see your dog in the same light after he has done something like that. ISmellDonuts (talk) 18:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Graphics design project[edit]

Geography award[edit]

Good start. Can you change the globe to one where you can discern the continents? The award needs to be impressive, so the globe should be a really nice one, and I'd like to retain the brass stand from the provided image. Can you find a cool globe, superimpose the puzzle lines over it, then place it in the brass stand, then place the passport on the surface beneath the stand? The Transhumanist 07:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


I used the Gimp to erase the globe and barnstar from the image, but I can't figure out how to turn the background transparent. File:Globe stand.png I know there's a way, but I couldn't understand the Gimp's instructions on how to do it.

Maybe it will make more sense to you.

Once transparent, a new globe could be inserted in the stand.  :)

The Transhumanist 09:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Globe in stand[edit]

Good start. Can you change the globe to one where you can discern the continents? The award needs to be impressive, so the globe should be a really nice one, and I'd like to retain the brass stand from the provided image. Can you find a cool globe, superimpose the puzzle lines over it, then place it in the brass stand, then place the passport on the surface beneath the stand? The Transhumanist 07:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


I used the Gimp to erase the globe and barnstar from the image, but I can't figure out how to turn the background transparent. File:Globe stand.png I know there's a way, but I couldn't understand the Gimp's instructions on how to do it.

Maybe it will make more sense to you.

Once transparent, a new globe could be inserted in the stand.  :)

The Transhumanist 09:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


Transparency[edit]

OK, I figured it out - it was easier than I thought. It only took several clicks in the Gimp. Here's the globe stand with a transparent background:

File:Globe stand with transparent background.png

This is the base I'd like to work with.

What is needed now is a decent globe. None of those listed under "globe" on Commons are good enough, nor are the globe icons. The original globe would be great, but it's ruined by that overlapping barnstar. Please help find a great globe - this award needs to be awesome. The Transhumanist 02:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


So far...[edit]

I don't know what to compare it to, but the Gimp is a pretty powerful program.

Here's what I've got so far...

File:Blue Marble in stand.png

Still need to superimpose the puzzle, and add a passport.

The Transhumanist 06:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Almost done[edit]

File:Blue Puzzle Marble in stand.png

Now all it needs is a passport.

I created this passport front cover, from scratch using the GIMP and Image:Wikipedia logo gold.png.

Since we want to turn it, we need to give it pages, that is, depth, because passports have a thickness to them.

So, one thing we could do is replace the cover of an existing pic of a passport laying down with our new cover. This entails adding to the selected pic an alpha layer, clearing the white background (by selecting and clearing it - in the edit menu), and adding an additional layer for our cover. Then the size, perspective, and rotation of the new cover will need to be changed to fit over the old cover.

Is this something you can do?

The Transhumanist 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

How's this one?[edit]

File:Wikipedia passport.png How's this one? -- penubag  (talk) 01:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Getting close. It needs to be under the bar, and it needs to be adjusted in shape (perspective) so that it looks like it is laying on the surface the globe stand is resting on. The Transhumanist 18:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


The alt history story you refer to on my talk page refers to which novel? -- penubag  (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hypothetical. I was going to run my RPG group through it, but never got the chance. The Transhumanist 18:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


By the way, how did you enlarge the image's background? The Transhumanist 18:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Found it: Image - Canvas size The Transhumanist 18:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Error on the passport[edit]

"World" is supposed to be capitalized.

Here's Fir0002's version:

The Transhumanist 18:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Update[edit]

I've turned the globe image over to User talk:WBOSITG to work on. He's familiar with the GIMP. That and "Paint" are the only graphics programs that I know well enough to hold meaningful discussions about - which is important for collaborative problem-solving.

By the way, what graphics program have you been using?

I've got a lot more graphics stuff I need done, but we need to use a common set of tools so we know what each other are talking about.

Have you tried the GIMP yet? (It's free).

I look forward to your reply.

The Transhumanist 01:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, be glad to work on graphics stuff. I use Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, Inkscape, and Paint (surprisingly good) for my graphics work. GIMP is roughly based off of Photoshop so I think we'll understand each other.  :) -- penubag  (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Cool. The Transhumanist 22:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The globe[edit]

While we're waiting for Azatoth, you might find this a little easier to work on...

Picking up where we left off on the globe picture...

You sent me this one:

File:Wikipedia passport.png

The passport needed adjusting (to make the words more visible), so I fiddled with it:

I like the way you gave the passport depth (made it 3 dimensional, with pages).

But the placement was a bit off.

Can you do that again but place it more like this:

File:Blue Marble Puzzle Globe in stand with passport.png

I didn't get the shadow quite right either. And I think I shrunk the passport down too small. But you get the idea.

Email me your email address, and I'll send you the working file of the globe with layer information. Do you want it in xcf or psd format?

The Transhumanist 11:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm done with the medallion, do I still need to make this one? -- penubag  (talk) 01:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Wikipedia passport.png[edit]

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Wikipedia passport.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. The Transhumanist 21:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

D-: -- penubag  (talk) 01:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Back to the drawing board ...[edit]

It appears the globe stand was from a copyrighted image.

This means we're back to square one.

The Transhumanist 23:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


Medallion[edit]

Graphics request[edit]

I need the words "Wikipedia World Developer" wrapped inside the bottom edge of a circle. I don't want to see the circle.

The circle should be 400px X 400px.

Try different font sizes until you find one that feels right for a medal.

The font color should be gold.

Can you do that?

The Transhumanist 05:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

That should be doable. I'll work on that as soon as I get home from work. How fancy would you like the font? -- penubag  (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


I finished the type. Tell me what changes should be made. Image:Wpworldtraveler.png -- penubag  (talk) 03:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Can you center the words?
Can you create a (round) medallion? Gold. Then place the words on the medallion (in its own layer) and then alter the words so they look like they are embossed or engraved into the medallion?
Then swivel the medallion to the right a little, so we can see its edge? And add an edge?

The Transhumanist 22:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


I'd like something similar to this:

Except with the words "Wikipedia World Developer" on the bottom instead of on top, and the image in the middle should be a world map, with longitude and latitude lines. The words and world map should be engraved like the words and image in the medal above.

Then the medallion should be swiveled to the right a little as mentioned above.

Can you do that?

The Transhumanist 22:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I can do that, but it would be a lot easier if I had the medallion you want the text on. You wouldn't mind if I waited until that was done first? -- penubag  (talk) 04:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't have a medallion. Can you make one from scratch? Or modify the one above? The Transhumanist 04:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm kinda really busy for the next 2 weeks and won't have much time on the computer (<10 mins/day). If you specify what you want on the medallian besides the text, I may be able to whip one up for you in a couple of days. -- penubag  (talk) 04:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

OH OH, I didn't read what you typed above!-- penubag  (talk) 03:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've asked Azatoth (the creator of the medallion displayed above) to comment on our little project here. Hopefully he'll drop on by. The Transhumanist 04:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
No prob with me. -- penubag  (talk) 04:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Finished with the medallion: Image:Wikipedia World Development Award.png. How do you like it? -- penubag  (talk) 01:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Golden Medallion done[edit]


Finished! How do you like it? Suggestions welcome :) -- penubag  (talk) 01:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow. That's cool. Is there any chance I can get the layer file from you? What format was this developed in? xcf? or psd? The Transhumanist 01:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Suggestions[edit]

Could you remove the word "Award", and change "Development" to "Developer"?

The medal appears to have diagonal stipes. Can you smooth the shading or lighting out?

What program did you use to create this?

Tell me how you did it!!!

What would this look like with latitude and longitude lines?

The Transhumanist 01:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


Oh yeah, please point me to the world map image you used for this. The Transhumanist 01:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


I've emailed you my email address. The Transhumanist 01:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking at it again, how about having "Wikipedia" at the top, and "World Developer" at the bottom. The Transhumanist 01:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Some more changes[edit]

The medal is a good start, but I think it could be enhanced to make it look even more impressive...

Would it be possible to use the same font as is in the Wikipedia logo?

Can you give the world map depth, and have the continents rise up from the medal more? (thicker embossment - it doesn't have to be much thicker, 2 or 3 pixels thicker.)

Can you remove the ring edge and give it a flat edge? More like the Jimbo coin? Or reduce the thickness of the ring edge so it is a thin raised edge around the perimeter of the medal?

The Transhumanist 22:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I've been scourging around to find the font used in the Wikipedia logo for a long time. I gave up, so hopefully you can figure that out for me.
Quiddity informed me that the font is Hoefler Text smallcaps italic 13px (according to meta:Logo and this and this and this and this), but he wasn't sure if it's the italic weight or just the standard weight italicized. It's available if you have an Apple computer, or pay Hoefler & Frere-Jones US$299 for a single cpu licence.
Also, I've learned that user:Nohat designed the logo. So he probably has the font. If you can contact him, maybe he can send you the words you need. The Transhumanist 10:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I've updated my reply at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wikipedia logo font to include slightly clearer details. Just fyi :) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

These will be the changes to my next version of the gold coin:

  • More map depth
  • Use Wikipedia font (?)
  • Flat coin edge (honestly, I don't think this is a good idea)
  • Lower the ring shadows
  • Add latitude and longitude lines This doesn't seem to turn out at all

Are these correct? -- penubag  (talk) 02:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind that we can always undo something if it doesn't turn out right. Be sure to keep past versions. If you can make something that looks better than flat edges, that's great with me. But the current edge looks like a giant ring sitting on a table top. I cant really tell where the face of the coin is with respect to the thickness of the ring. It kind of looks like the ring sticks out in front of the face of the medal.

In order to do the latitude and longitude lines, we're going to have to find a map with them already in it. I'll start looking around.

By the way, please put this notice somewhere on your user page and/or talk page where it is noticeable. I think we can get the awards done in time. Therefore, it's time to start spreading the word!

The Transhumanist 10:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


After comparing other maps (with lines) to the one you've compressed onto the medal, I like your version better (without latitude and longitude lines). The Transhumanist 11:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Heads up[edit]

I've posted a question at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wikipedia logo font, that might be interested in.

(I hope someone knows the answer).

The Transhumanist 01:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Graphics request[edit]

Hello transhumanist, I'd love to help you out but I'd just like to let you know that I am extremely busy for the next 3 days. I barely have any time to myself until then so I hope you don't need the images for at least another 3-4 days. Sorry for the inconvenience. Just one question, would you like the gold coin touched up first or the trophy? -- penubag  (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Not a problem. I need a breather too. The competition doesn't start until July 15th, but it is going to need a lot of promotion, and I won't feel comfortable promoting it heavily until the awards are done and they impress all who see them. Sooner is better than later, but 3 days won't hurt. I'd like you to work on the trophy - it's the most important award, and we have all the elements for it except for the pedestal, so it's easier to envision how it should turn out.
I think I was too vague in my specs on the medal. I need something similar to the Jimbo medal in level of detail and resolution. Only one will be given out per month, so they've got to inspire awe in the recipients and all who view them. Or maybe I'm just judging too soon - it's easy to underestimate a work-in-progress. Only you can envision what the final version of the medal you are working on will look like. If you can make it look like it's a real gold coin, that's what I'm looking for. I don't know how to do it - I can't even figure out how you made that ring around the edge!  :)
When I started, my guess was the medal would be the hardest award to create...
Keep in mind that since I didn't even have a clue of what types of components to use for a medal (unlike the other awards), I took a shotgun approach in seeking help, and asked as many people as I could to make one. There's one more I'm expecting, and I don't have any idea what it is going to look like. We'll see how it goes.
The Transhumanist 05:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

medal components[edit]

On a hunch, I went looking around:

I found a world map that I was able to convert to a silhouette:

An Aitoff, Hammer, or Mollweide projection would work better because they are not flat at the top and bottom. But I haven't been able to find one that I could convert to a silhouette.

We may have to widen the search to the internet - I'm sure there must be public domain maps out there that would work for our purposes.

Using a silhouette of a map will allow us to have latitude and longitude lines on the medal.

I haven't yet figured out how to engrave or emboss an image into a surface, have you?

The Transhumanist 10:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


Courtesy of the User:Grey Knight:[edit]

(see page for full size)
"As to the font, apparently it's Hoefler Text, which is on my computer at work. They seem to have it for free download here, although I'm unclear if that's legal since Hoefler & Frere-Jones are selling the font and its relatives for what could loosely be described as 'pots of cash'".

The Transhumanist 20:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Rough draft[edit]

Before I proceed with anything else, I made a quick rough draft of what the medallion would look like with lat/long. lines. Are you sure this what you are looking for? Image:Long.lines(test).png As I said before, I do not think this is a good idea as map scaling and fitting would be impossible.-- penubag  (talk) 02:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually fitting is possible; see Image:Long. lines 2.png. Do you prefer this? -- penubag  (talk) 02:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Rough rough draft[edit]

I'm sure you can make it look impressive.

Be sure to use the Wikipedia font.

And since it includes "Wikipedia", be sure to use the Wikimedia Foundation copyright tag.

But the first step in making this work, is to track down an Aitoff or Hammer projection. If the lines are solid enough, I can silhouette it like I did the above map. Either of those projections will fit the contour of the coin much better, because they don't have flat top and bottom edges like the Robinson projection does.

The Transhumanist 03:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you want a smaller map? Did you see Image:Long. lines 2.png?-- penubag  (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
It was just a rough draft to show that we can get crisp lat and long lines. I don't like the map at all, because it's Robinson. Its flat top and bottom doesn't fit the medal. Your example shows that large is good, but there should be some space between the map and medal edges. Probably the same distance that you put between the words and the edge. The Transhumanist 03:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because it contains the word Wikipedia, does not make it WMF copyrighted. {{trademark}} or {{PD-font}} suffices for the text. -- penubag  (talk) 03:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't just contain the word "Wikipedia", it includes the word from the Wikipedia logo. And the award itself is for use specifically on Wikipedia. We should copyright it for the WMF. If you want to place the rest of the medal in the public domain (or copyleft arena) before sticking "Wikipedia" on it, that's fine. The Transhumanist 03:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't matter, it's just text. You can view this for an example. -- penubag  (talk) 04:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:Another medallion draft.png

So which variant is your favorite. -- penubag  (talk) 03:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd like an Aitoff or Hammer projection, with its latitude lines nice and straight. The figure on the medal should look like a map, not a globe. Your sample above shows how an Aitoff or Hammer will fit, but you need to add a little space on the right and left. We're getting close - we just need to find the right map. The Transhumanist 03:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Great, I'll help look for one. -- penubag  (talk) 04:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Try this[edit]

It's a Hammer-Aitov projection.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 09:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Done[edit]

Done with some of your requested changes:


How is it so far?-- penubag  (talk) 03:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Damn that looks good. The Transhumanist 03:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I'm really impressed at the silhouette you made in GIMP, I think if you keep up the work, you can call yourself a graphic artist :) -- penubag  (talk) 03:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. By the way, for future reference, I took this:

and:

  • from the menu selected Layer/Transparency/Add alpha layer.
  • then Select/By color
  • then I clicked on the black in one of the corners, and pressed delete - which got rid of all the black in the image, revealing the transparent background where it had been.
  • the select by color was already set at a threshhold of 15, which turned out to be a good range for deleting shades from this map - shades of blue; that is: the oceans, so...
    • using Select/By color and delete, I experimented with clicking on and deleting various shades of blue until I erased all the oceans but was careful to leave as many shades as I could that were used in the longitude lines near the poles. There were dozens of shades of blue used in the map, but the threshhold of 15 got them in about 5 or 6 select-then-delete operations.
  • Then from the menu I chose Select/All
  • Then Colors/Colorize, and moved the Lightness bar all the way to the left. That turned all the remaining colors to black.
  • Silhouette complete.
The Transhumanist 03:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I would even have to think a while to figure that one out. :D -- penubag  (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: How did you create the ring!? The Transhumanist 03:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not a ring. It's just a beveled circle with lighting effects. You can view my layers pallet to see how it was made (see shape 1). Basically, it's just a white circle with color enhancements, I just used photoshop's bevel utility to carve the edge of the circle and apply lighting effects. -- penubag  (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

re Hi![edit]

I'm the other person working on a version of these, I thought you might like to compare notes or something. My current version of the medal is linked below, I'm going to have a go at the globe-and-passport thingy next when I've finished tinkering with the medal. The Atlas-and-puzzle-globe I'm probably not going to be able to do — humans are hard to model, and I'm not very good at it. I can make you various images of the puzzle-globe once I finish modelling it though, if you need them for it? Have fun!

(still has a bunch of errors :-()

--tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 22:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd say your medal is pretty good, all it needs is a gold color gradient. What program did you use to create it? Also, thanks for Wikipedia font, I went over to my mac at work and wrote it out but you made it easier for me as when I brought it over, the whole layer became rasterized, although I expected that, I didn't know how bad it'd turn out after I warped it. Honestly, I'm not looking forward to the Atlas trophy, I'm not good in that either, so maybe we can work together, although I think I have a solution... -- penubag  (talk) 04:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I made it in POV-Ray, a 3D raytracer. I'm still playing with the texturing and lighting a bit to get some nice highlights, but applying a highlight pattern by hand is generally considered cheating in the 3D world! ;-) I'll get on with the globe and come back to texturing in a little while I think, I need to refresh my head. --tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 13:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow! POV Ray! I know nothing in the 3D field. It may be easier if you make the general shapes in POV and upload them, I can then fine tune them in Photoshop. And it's not cheating, as long as it looks nice ;)-- penubag  (talk) 22:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's a few versions I made:-- penubag  (talk) 22:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

straight corners (color may be fixed later)
swiveled
one engraved version

Ooh, you made the continents thicker. Nice. But keep in mind that they're not engraved - by that I mean carved into the medal rather than rising up from it. But I like the thicker continents. Can you reverse the lighting (back to the way it was) so that the raised edges of the continents are in shadow? That way the lighting and shadows will match that of the medal's ring. The Transhumanist 20:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi guys[edit]

Looking at the two medals above, I'm thinking a straight-on view looks better (like in Penutab's version), and adding a ribbon will make the medal too small in the space it will be presented.

Let's try combining the two designs...

Grey Knight - can you match the base color of Penutab's medal, and then create an engraving of the map and words, using the same size and placement in Penutab's version, and then insert them into Penutab's design - replacing the current face of the medal, while retaining the ring edge of the medal?

Don't forget the lighting / color gradient - perhaps Penutab can handle that part.

I'm curious what Penutab's medal will look like engraved.

The Transhumanist 03:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Graphics design - picking up where we left off on the medal[edit]

Penubag, have you figured out how to carve things out of an image yet? I still don't have a clue how to do it!

Grey Knight, can you apply the engraving (carving) technique you used on the continents in the world map I posted above (like you did in this):

and replace the map in this:

Just to see what it looks like.

We've only got 18 days left!

The Transhumanist 19:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't "insert [things] into [Penutab's] design", not sure what you mean by that. I will play with colouring and make a ribbonless face-on view later today. I'll also go work on that globe; don't think I'll get my whole plan finished in time (busy in work lately), but I'll get something passable. :-) --tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 15:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
There's a layered version of the medal. If you make an engraving of the world map, we can insert it. It's easy to combine multiple images. It's what I've been rambling on about during this whole project.  :) By the way, I look forward to see what you come up with on the globe stand. The Transhumanist 19:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Atlas trophy[edit]

This one should be fun[edit]

Here are some components for you to mess around with to build a trophy image.

Here's a statue that could be converted into a trophy:

Here are the specs for the trophy I have in mind:

  • transparent background (no trees, etc.)
  • Atlas and the World must be made out of gold
  • orb is a globe (the kind with continents - also gold)
  • globe is also a wikipedia puzzle globe, retaining the continents (but only where the puzzle is completed)
  • the globe is to be much bigger than that shown above (see below)
  • the pedastal needs to be replaced with something nicer, not necessarily gold
  • The name will be on the pedastal: "Wikipedia World Builder Champion"

To see if the concept is feasible, I worked up a sample. Don't use this, it's just a rough work up for reference:

The above is just an example, and is lacking most of the specs. But it shows the relative size I want for the globe.

Someone retained the proper lighting by using the original pic, and superimposed the wikipedia logo over it. I wonder if the initial bare orb could be enlarged? That would create gaps, but perhaps those could be filled in? Here it is:

The author of the above used this logo:

Maybe the continents could be extracted from this, but the continents from the other side should not show through.

Well, have fun with these.

The Transhumanist 10:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


The continents were very easy to extract and colorize using the GIMP:

Feel free to adjust the color. I changed the color as an experiment.

The Transhumanist 10:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


Licensing comments:

Because the final image will be copyrighted by the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-logo components must all be public domain. Please remember to upload any new public domain components first, if any, to establish them as part of the public domain before copyrighting the final image they will be part of. The Transhumanist 11:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


I'm assigning the trophy to you to create - we'll see what you can build, and will work from there. The main specification is that it must be impressive. I've asked another graphics designer to visit you here. Maybe he can provide useful how-to information, answer technique questions, lend a hand, etc. Maybe he can design the pedestal so that you can concentrate on the rest.


By the way, he'll be working on a variant of the Wikipedia logo (for the globe in stand award), and that might be useful for creating the globe in the trophy. I don't know yet.


I've got my hands full elsewhere, and I look forward to seeing what you can come up with.


Make me proud.


And most importantly, have fun.


The Transhumanist 21:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for being so inactive. Working full time during the summer and the little time I have, I'm studying for college. I'm trying to get your requests through. I'm working on the atlas right now, little by little, but don't expect it on time75% completed!. Also, I do know how to carve the map out of the medallion, it's just that it doesn't look good. The reason being is that the medallion is facing straight on, so you would not see any engraving effects. I did upload a sample for you though, view it above. -- penubag  (talk) 01:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Some observations on and ideas for the trophy[edit]

The lighting/shading on the wikiglobe is different than the lighting/shading on Atlas. Is that something we can fix? It was fixed on that blue statue above, but I have no idea how they did that. Any ideas?

By the way, I tried changing the black symbols on the wikiglobe to a shade of gold, but it doesn't look right because of the way it contrasts with the shadows. (Black doesn't have that problem). So, to make gold work for the symbols, different shades of gold will need to be used to be consistent with the shadows. Who wants to tackle that?

We need a pedastal for the trophy. Anybody want to tackle that? Its perspective needs to match the rest of the image, so it should probably be scratch-built rather than pulled from a photo.

I look forward to your replies.

The Transhumanist 20:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Atlas almost done[edit]

I had a few spare minutes and did some work on it. See Image:Gold atlas beta2.png. I know it doesn't exactly fit your specifications yet but atleast we have a starting point. -- penubag  (talk) 06:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Budgie[edit]

Yes, it makes a high-pitched chirp sound throughout the day. It will eat out of my hand, but nothing. He frequently makes conversation with the cockatiel in my sister's room, though the two fight when allowed near each other. I compared his coloring with some photos on the web, and i believe the budgie is of the recessive pied variety, which explains the dark eyes and lack of an entirely blue cere.ISmellDonuts (talk) 00:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Archiving?[edit]

Might be time for an archive job, my browser is struggling with your talkpage. :-) I asked User:The Transhumanist about setting up a central page for the AWC, hopefully he can move some of the graphics conversation off to there to lessen the load a bit (all those images probably aren't helping). --tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 15:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

The AWC is dead.
He's right, time to archive. Note that I've added the above discussion to my talk page archives too, so I can find it easily in the future.
I'd rather not centralize, because that would double the number of posts I'd have to make - for each post I make to the central page, I'd have to post a "heads up" message to the intended recipient's talk page (to get the benefit of the orange "you got a message" alert bar). It's more efficient to post directly to users' talk pages. And I'm all over the place - if new people contacted a central department page, I'd wouldn't be aware of them right way as when they post to my talk page. The way the programmers have designed Wikipedia is pretty cool. I really love the new message alert feature, and rely on it heavily.
The Transhumanist 00:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
What about if I make a separate page just for graphics requests? Because other than that, my talk page is actually pretty short. -- penubag  (talk) 05:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC) PS: How do you like how atlas looks so far?
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