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pagelinks normalization

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T299947

The pagelinks table is about to lose its pl_namespace and pl_title columns. This may break some tools and reports. Certes (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

As advised at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 211#pagelinks normalization. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes: we've been able to use the linktarget alternative for a while now. Today's news, according to the Phabricator ticket, is that they are now ready to drop the columns. Certes (talk) 21:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

mw:Manual:pagelinks table does not indicate that any elements of that table are deprecated; the page has yet to be updated this year. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Stealth revdel

In this discussion at my Talk page, I made an assertion (diff) that traces of a revdel can always be seen in the revision history, with revisions in strikeout type, and the like. But now, I wonder if my response there was accurate. Is there such a thing as, for lack of a better term, what I will call a stealth revdel—that is, a revdel which wipes some revisions from the history, without leaving any evidence of the removal visible to non-admins? If that exists, what is it called, and is there a page that covers this? Mathglot (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Selective (un)deletion, i.e. deleting the page and undeleting all except certain revisions. If an admin really wanted to hide it, they'd have to then delete or revdel the log entries of the deletion and undeletion too. Anomie⚔ 11:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The thing being discussed in that discussion was some template vandalism, which was of course on a different page transcluded onto that one. Some varieties of oversight can remove edits without much trace, though not something like this purported situation. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The "some varieties of oversight" being what mw:Extension:Oversight did before it was replaced by RevDel? If so, that's not available anymore. Anomie⚔ 11:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

No, I do mean suppression oversight (and 'hiding'). It's not a thing to focus on here, but OS can make some disappearances hard to track. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

so maybe I meant oversighted? It's idle curiosity in this instance but I am pretty sure I have noticed stuff disappear before, especially identifying personal information. In fact, I distinctly remember telling an admin that somebody's address was in an article edit history, and this got removed, at lrast as far as a plain vanilla editor could see.

Which is not what this was, granted; it would have been more of an unfortunate paste error or perhaps vandalism. Elinruby (talk) 12:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I seem to recall days when there was no revision deletion feature we have now, and the way to hide select revisions was to move the page to another name, delete it, restore okay revisions, and move it back. I assume it's possible still. Nardog (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed it is. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh it's actually explained in the link Anomie gave above... Nardog (talk) 13:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

There are certainly beansy ways to cause obfuscation - that are best left unlisted here. Just replace "can always..." with "can generally...." and most use cases will be covered. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, all; this has been informative. And I got the read-between-the-lines stuff, so needn't go further. Cheers! Mathglot (talk) 00:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I know it's possible to delete summaries of log entries... including for the revdel log... and for the revdel log summary deletion log. I think you can set up an infinite regress this way. jp×g🗯️ 07:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Caption on Image wikiMarkup?

Please may i ask if caption is possible inside the image wikiMarkup? Because since it does have the argument for sizing like for example: [[File:Example.jpg|100px]] then i suppose I'd probably have an argument for caption and even perhaps, more arguments beyond? Thisasia  ^(Talk) 12:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

H:PICTURES.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Xtools 503 error

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T364151
Resolved

Is anyone getting a 503 error on Xtools? It says "Service Unavailable". Is the server down by any chance? Neko Lexi (talk) 13:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a problem with the tool indeed. @MusikAnimal is working on trying to fix it at the hackathon right now. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

good deal Neko Lexishe/her 15:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

phab:T364151 is the actual problem. Taavi told me there's no quick fix, so I'm going to temporarily disable parts of XTools that are affected. That includes anything that touches the logging table, such as xtools:ec-generalstats and xtools:adminstats. Apologies for the disruption. — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It's alright, but okay Neko Lexishe/her 16:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

What links here says that a page transcludes itself, which should be an error

What transcludes Template:Requested move notice shows ~4 pages, including a self-transclusion, which should be impossible. When I edit the template to make it transclude itself, I see the error (in preview mode):

Warning: This page calls Template:Requested move notice which causes a template loop (an infinite recursive call).

But it's not populating Category:Pages with template loops. Why is this spurious transclusion report happening, and how do I suppress it? My bot looks up all the pages that transclude this template, and is confused by this spurious transclusion. wbm1058 (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

First thought is this is via some check related to Module:Unsubst that is called there. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Also noting that the identical Template:Requested move notice/sandbox doesn't show the same problem transclusion. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Take that back. The sandbox does transclude itself. So I can play with the sandbox to try to make it go away. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Problem is that the documentation subpage transcludes itself. When I removed the documentation from the sandbox, the sandbox stopped transcluding itself. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Self transclusions occur when a template uses the MW Lua library getContent on the page it's transcluded on. This happens for example with Module:Citation/CS1 (which hunts for the "use XXX date" templates in the page source, among others). Izno (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It's common and allowed for pages to transclude themselves. A template loop error only occurs if the transcluded version of the page also tries to transclude itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

This is very confusing. These pages compare identical yet one "transcludes itself" while the other does not. I'll assume that neither actually transcludes itself on a first-level basis, but the documentation only "transcludes itself" via the template transcluding the documentation, in other words, "cascading transclusion", or "circular transclusion" where the template transcludes the documentation while the documentation is simultaneously transcluding the template, and there is no way to differentiate regular transclusion from cascading/circular transclusion, so in order to work around this bizarre behavior, I'll need to make a special, kludgey edit to my bot's source code to specifically remove one specific page from the list of transcluded pages it gets from its "what transcludes this page" API call. I guess I've been kind of aware of this strange behavior for a while, but I think this is the first time I've found myself needing to actively code a work-around for it. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Many templates can cause a page to transclude itself. In this case it's caused by {{Bot use warning}} because it uses {{pagetype}} which examines the code of the page to identify certain page types. Module:Pagetype uses getContent to do it and as Izno said, this gives a self transclusion. Just work around it if needed as you say. It's not broken and doesn't require "fixing". Template:Requested move notice/doc/sandbox also transcludes itself. Maybe it had not been registered in link tables after your move.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I thought every page transcluded itself, to be honest. Every (article) I've looked at closely was 'transcluded' by both itself and its talk page. – 2804:F1...6E:399F (talk) 20:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes it feels like that to me too. I don't think the system always worked that way. At some point, something changed, I think, and I've yet to figure out exactly when, what, or why. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: You are indeed correct that it hasn't always been this way; it started happening in April 2019. To find this I searched the village pump archives for "Transcludes itself" and found this discussion; my comment there pointed to the former thread. Graham87 (talk) 08:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Riddle me this. Compare and contrast. My initial example, limited to template namespace, followed by a similar example (my bot uses both):

• What transcludes Template:Requested move notice shows ~4 pages, including a self-transclusion
• What transcludes Template:Requested move/dated finds nothing!

Why does {{Requested move notice}} transclude itself, while {{Requested move/dated}} does not? They both have similar documentation sub-page configurations. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It's probably Module:Pagetype. Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation also uses GetContent, so any page that uses {{cite book}} or another template in that family, which is millions of pages, will also transclude itself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

{{Requested move notice/doc}} uses {{Bot use warning}}. {{Requested move/dated/doc}} doesn't. But you don't have to work out why a given page transcludes itself since it's not a problem and doesn't require any action. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Gah! Well, thanks for solving my puzzle! No, it was a problem. My bot's console report was saying:

339 : Template:Requested move notice => NOT FOUND
!!! Failed to remove subject notice

The transclusion made the bot think there was a {{Requested move notice}} sitting on the template – not unheard of that someone would request moving it, as it's been moved multiple times – the bot tried and failed to remove the template it thought was there, and thus reported the problem to me. THIS EDIT solved my problem by making the bot happy again. I added {{Bot use warning}} on 22 November 2023‎; guess I'd overlooked the bot's messages about this for months? Hey, I didn't realize that adding that template would change this template in a significant way! Who would have thunk that template needed to use {{pagetype}}, I never would have guessed that! {{Wikipedia:Article alerts/Bot use warning}} manages to give its warning without finding the {{pagetype}} first! Why would anyone ever need to find the {{pagetype}} to warn ppl that bots use their template? I'm just not gonna bother keeping the warning there, as it's just too much trouble and Murphy's Law says another WP:IAR editor is born every minute so resistance is futile. wbm1058 (talk) 22:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

A new template to count the number of internal links

Hi, I searched for a template that returns the number of internal links, but couldn't find any so I created this Template:InternalLinkCounter now. Please take a look and improve it if you like. I just wanted the community to be aware of this new template. Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 23:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

"bps" in interface messages?

Are the bit-rate messages Bitrate-...bits used anywhere in the interface? If yes, then "bps" in all of them should be changed to "bit/s" to be consistent with MOS:UNITS#Specific units ("bit per second: bit/s (not bps, b/s)") and avoid setting a bad example. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 02:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

These are used in places like File:2024-04-24_Tours2024Stopmotion.webm. I personally can't be bothered to care about this issue, though, it seems very trivial. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

MoS doesn't apply to "the interface". Nardog (talk) 07:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I know (obviously, because I did say "be consistent with" instead of "conform to"). But how does it help to have our own interface contradicting our own MoS? — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 08:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes they are contained in the interface see list. I do not think we should localize these for only those with their interface language set to English. You could make a case for this in a feature request which if accepted would "improve" this for all projects. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Some other languages already have them "localized" (such as "bit/s" in Finnish, "b/s" in French, "б/с" in Macedonian). Do you propose changing the defaults such that all the languages where these messages haven't been "translated" will automatically switch to "bit/s"? Although this would be nice ("bit/s" is at least defined by the international standard IEC 60027, whereas "bps" is not standard at all), doing so globally might be perhaps more difficult than redefining these messages just for English at translatewiki. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 11:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

My suggestion is that if the root of these is not the best possible international version of this, it be fixed at the root message level, not with a project-specific local override. I don't think "translating" them from the root English to English at translatewiki is the fix there - but you could give it a try. Fixing at the root reduces local technical debt and would share the improvement with all mediawiki projects. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Follow on, inconsistent translatewiki work can make these sloppy - for example I can't imagine why in Portuguese the kilobits should be "kb/s" while the megabits are "Mbps". Likely because someone wanted to fix one instance and isn't even aware of the other ones - but if it was all in an agreeable root style that may have been avoidable. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, would you then suggest requesting to change them directly in MediaWiki, as it seems from WP:BUG, or follow what System messages says: "General changes that could benefit other wikis can be submitted to translatewiki.net"? — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 23:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I've never had a lot of luck getting English-->English translations in translatewiki coming over, that's why I suggested the root message itself. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Translatewiki.net does not support changes to the source language (English). Those must be proposed on Gerrit. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Whether other projects follow English Wikipedia's MoS or not is their decision entirely. Even if you want it to, any conseus on that here has no effect. I am listing this as a reason to oppose extending your steward rights next year xaosflux, very disrepectful behaviour of you. Snævar (talk) 11:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

What?! What was disrespectful about it? Nardog (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry we are in disagreement. I certainly don't think that article style guidelines on this project should be forced on other projects. To be clear my suggestion is just that this would best start as an upstream discussion - which could certainly result in a WONTFIX. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ambox

I recently noticed that {{ambox}}, when viewed using the night mode beta feature for advanced mobile web users, has a dark gray left border, not a colored one like when viewed using light mode. This is despite the relevant TemplateStyles specifying the color #36c ( ) as the default left border color, with other colors such as #b32424 ( ), #f28500 ( ), and #fc3 ( ) being specified for other ambox types. Does anyone know why this is? Thanks, Andumé (talk) 05:06, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

WMF has added some !importants to their dark style sheet probably (or maybe just deeply nested selectors it doesn't need) and currently doesn't have sufficiently granular settings to turn that off... Ignoring also that no-one has actually looked to see what the color for ambox should be. (Could be the same, could be different, etc.) Izno (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

"The time allocated for running scripts has expired."

Hi. I created Portal:Washington, D.C., which contains some random elements. Most of the time, the page loads properly, just a bit slow. However, sometimes the page will only load some of the elements, and returns "The time allocated for running scripts has expired.". It's weird how the elements that don't load are static, and elements that do load are random. How can I fix this? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, looking at the profiling data the lua time usage was around 8 seconds (out of 10). It says:
MediaWiki\Extension\Scribunto\Engines\LuaSandbox\LuaSandboxCallback::match 2960 ms 37.7%
MediaWiki\Extension\Scribunto\Engines\LuaSandbox\LuaSandboxCallback::find 1580 ms 20.1%
MediaWiki\Extension\Scribunto\Engines\LuaSandbox\LuaSandboxCallback::sub 1220 ms 15.5%
So it looks like some expensive match operations are being run. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The only match operation in use are the {{Transclude selected recent additions}} and {{Transclude selected current events}} templates, which look for 3 matching terms in the ITN and DYK archives. Is there a way to optimize these templates? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks feature error message

Hi, Every time I try and thank editors either on here or on Simple Wiki I'm getting the following error message: Thank action failed (error code: internal_api_error_JobQueueError). Please try again.

Not sure if anyone's aware hence this message, Thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 13:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Now works again, Strange. –Davey2010^Talk 14:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Edits not showing up on watchlist/recent changes

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T364245

This edit at 13:21, this edit at 13:26, and this edit at 13:36 to MediaWiki:Gadget-popups.js by Novem Linguae are not showing up on recent changes or on watchlist. Any clue why? Nardog (talk) 17:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I can replicate this, and it has happened before, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 211#Some pages not appearing in the Watchlist. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The revisions are in the revision SQL table, but not in the recentchanges SQL table. Quarry. Smells like a core bug related to saving an edit (as opposed to a core bug related to the recentchanges page). –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I filed a bug to get some more eyes on it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Although I have no evidence to suggest it, this could possibly be a less serious bug in the recentchanges view which hides deleted revisions from Quarry, which I often lazily think of as an actual table. Certes (talk) 20:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Microphysidae

I have a whole page (Microphysidae) that is added to my watchlist, but edits do not appear in my Special:Watchlist. I tried removing and re-adding the page to the watchlist, unsuccessfully. --cyclopia^speak! 09:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't seem related. Are you sure edits by bots and yourself are visible? Nardog (talk) 10:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That one  Works for me in the normal WL UI: mb Microphysidae‎ 12:17:28 +14‎ ‎AnomieBOT talk contribs block‎ (Dating maintenance tags: {{Cn}}) rollback thank. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

My edits are visible, bot edits are not. If I allow edits by bots it appears, and indeed the last edit was from a bot. But if not, shouldn't the previous (human) edit appear? (Chronologically, it should) --cyclopia^speak! 12:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, it seems that, if bots are filtered, and the last edit is a bot, then no edits are shown from that page. Is that expected behaviour? I would expect that filtering bots would give me the last non-bot edit, not ignoring the page until there is a non-bot edit.--cyclopia^speak! 12:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That is normal behavior; if you set any filter that hides the current revision the entry will not display on the filtered watchlist. This isn't specific to bots, if you hide "my edits" for example and you are the most recent, then it won't be on the watchlist display even if others also edited. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You may be interested in the preference "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent", which can be toggled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I still find it counterintuitive but oh well... cyclopia^speak! 15:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

how to stylize points on GeoJSON?

I'm trying to modify this GeoJSON:

commons:Data:Antelope_Creek_(Arizona).map

In particular, I'm trying to add the following as a new feature:

            {
                "type": "Feature",
                "geometry": {
                    "type": "Point",
                    "coordinates": [-111.3747023979435, 36.86262479172257]
                },
                "properties": {
                    "name": "Upper Antelope Canyon",
                    "stroke": "#00ff00",
                    "stroke-opacity": 1,
                    "stroke-width": 50
                }
            },

It gets added but the marker is gray instead of green (#00ff00).

Any ideas how I can change the color of the marker? TerraFrost (talk) 19:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Chunked uploads

Does English Wikipedia have any way to do chunked uploads the way Commons does, or is there no way to upload a file larger than 100 MB? hinnk (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Maybe, but is there a reason for uploading a large video to English Wikipedia? I don't think that a huge non-free video could ever meet the WP:NFC requirements and a free file would fit on Commons just as well. Or is it a free-only-in-the-US file? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Only public domain in the U.S. I've been working on silent-era films (including non-U.S. works), but a 100 MB limit on a feature-length video means extremely noticeable artifacts. hinnk (talk) 08:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

In that case, the only way to go about this would be by asking for a commons:Help:Server-side upload and specifying in the request that you need it on English Wikipedia. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I opened a request in Phabricator, so hopefully that'll work. hinnk (talk) 06:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

What is the task number for tracking? Also note, there is a user script you may want to review: commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The MediaWiki API supports chunked uploads. Whether our File Upload Wizard script makes use of that ability I don't know. Anomie⚔ 11:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Can't delete page

Trying to delete Dheeraj Kher. Get following error:

To avoid creating high replication lag, this transaction was aborted because the write duration (6.239844083786) exceeded the 3 second limit. If you are changing many items at once, try doing multiple smaller operations instead. [063023b1-4d1e-462e-9306-ffba965548d1] 2024-05-05 17:23:44: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBTransactionSizeError" Tried more than once. Also tried deleting another page, but didn't wait for error. Deletiions are usually almost instantaneous.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Appears to be one of the pages missing from recentchanges, see #Edits not showing up on watchlist/recent changes above. Coincidence? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Possible but unlikely - I tried to delete it and it worked for me, and ran into several other instance of this error in a recent deletion spree but trying again always worked. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding stub tags using the VisualEditor

How is one supposed to add stub tags using the VisualEditor? If they're added as templates at the bottom of the page, they'll incorrectly be placed above the categories. (Previously asked at the Help Desk but didn't get a response.) --Paul_012 (talk) 11:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean ‘incorrectly’ ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah you mean, ‘not according to the Manual of Style of English Wikipedia”, which speciefies an order that is not logical for the data, nor for anyone who reads the page. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

It's logical for the reader to consistently find content categories, which encourage them to browse related topics, before stub categories, which are there to encourage expansion of similar stubs. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

No it’s not. That’s, at most, potentially handy for people who do stub sorting (hardly anyone). For most people it makes much more sense to have elements in the order in which they appear in the rendered article. ;) —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

This is not the place to discuss apparent inconveniencies in MOS:ORDER. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Some things are just impossible or difficult to do with VisualEditor. Other examples include dealing with list-defined references, dealing with template sets like {{AMS election box begin}}, templates like, in general, etc. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 15:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh well. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

User scripts can be a good way to add stubs. I use User:SD0001/StubSorter.js –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP 1.0 never returns

Starting yesterday, queries to the WP 1.0 server go into a loop that never responds. At least for me. Praemonitus (talk) 16:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Openzim.org is a third party website. Did this used to be a wiki tool with a web interface? Do you recall who the maintainer is? Is there a wikipedia namespsce or user namespsce wiki page with general info about it? The answer to this one will probably be "figure out who made the tool then ask them to fix it". –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Praemonitus, @Novem Linguae: From Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index#AfroCreatives Quality Assessment, it looks like this has been an issue for a few weeks already. Probably @Audiodude is the person to ask. —Kusma (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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• The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias (a few have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes on Diff. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [2][3]
• Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the SiteAdminHelper. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found at the extension's page. [4]
• Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [5]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar). [6][7]
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Log display

Hi. I created User:CanonNi/Contributions, which contains 2 logs: Special:Contributions/CanonNi and Special:Log/CanonNi. However, only the former is able to display, and the latter displays as a link to the log. Is there any way I can fix this? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Special:Log isn't transcludable. As it has lots of output options it likely won't be, however you can submit a feature request for that feature. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi: It's only some special pages which can be transcluded. Special:Log isn't one of them but you can get easier access to the link with this in your common JavaScript to install User:PrimeHunter/My logs.js:

importScript('User:PrimeHunter/My_logs.js'); // Linkback: [[User:PrimeHunter/My logs.js]]

PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Schrodinger's redlink

Category:Proposed deletion as of 27 April 2024 is showing up on the latest run of Special:WantedCategories as a non-empty redlink with two pages in it, but is completely empty when I actually look at it — and even a temporary undeletion and redeletion failed to resolve either its emptiness as itself, or its non-emptiness on the report.
I have seen cases like this before, which typically related to deleted content that was somehow leaving behind a phantom categorylinks row — IIRC, it was usually resolved by undeleting and then redeleting the phantom articles, but I don't know how to figure out what was in this category prior to its deletion on Saturday. Could somebody look into this? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 15:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)