Template talk:Infobox academic

Can this template be embedded

This template doesn't support being embedded into another. Ng Cho-nam is a complicated situation and currently has two infoboxes, down from three. If this could be embedded, that article could use {{infobox person}} as the primary infobox. This is the only article I am aware of presently using many parameters from officeholder, academic, and Chinese - so it may not be worth the effort for just one article. But if it is easy to do, it would help at least in this example. Jonesey95?? MB 21:52, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I don't have the energy to research and test this one at the moment. If you dig up and link to a similar "person" template that is embeddable within infobox person, that will help me copy the relevant code. Try to find one and then ping me again. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:53, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Jonesey95, {{infobox medical person}} is both a wrapper of and child of "person". MB 14:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It's our lucky day. |child= was already supported here, so it was pretty easy to merge the infoboxes at Ng Cho-nam (by adding |child=yes and moving the braces). – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:43, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Jonesey95, I did check the documentation which was silent on this. I updated with the generic embed instructions which aren't quite right since they say embed and subbox work also, but its better than before. MB 18:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox academic#Use as a child template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Removed deleted tracking category

I was getting ready to add Infobox academic to an article, and noticed a red link. I saw it was for a Category that had been removed. I deleted this portion of the tracking category section from the documentation template:

• Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax (0) – Used by Module:InfoboxImage to track articles where an infobox uses image syntax in the format |image=[[File:Example.jpg]]. To exclude articles from this category, change it to |image=Example.jpg.

I left a comment to that effect in the change log.--FeralOink (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding ORCID numbers

Hi, I was wondering what people would think about adding ORCID numbers to this infobox? They are standarised unique numbers for individual authors and might help readers identify work better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamzze (talk • contribs) 19:14, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Code formatting problems for thesis link

Not sure why the thesis link inside the {{Infobox academic}} template is not displaying correctly for Ty Seidule but seems to work when the {{Infobox academic}} template is embedded inside another template when used in Carol T. Christ. -- 64.202.138.67 (talk) 02:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The title and url were reversed. Fixed now. MB 03:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for finding my stupid error (which I should have spotted in the first place if I weren't tired at that time of the edit) and for also fixing the problem. -- 64.202.138.67 (talk) 21:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Request to remove unsupported parameters

When editing an article containing {{Infobox academic}} such as Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, we see errors stating Preview warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown empty parameter "denomination", "salary", "weight" even if those parameters are not used in the article. Could someone please remove these unsupported parameters from {{Infobox academic}} to remove these errors? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Izno: Thank you for removing these (and many more) parameters! GoingBatty (talk) 15:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Other advisors

The contents of the academic_advisors field normally appear alongside the label "Academic advisors"; however, when the field is used alongside the doctoral_advisor field, it uses the label "Other academic advisors" with a non-breaking space after the word "Other". In most use cases, this has the unfortunate side effect of substantially increasing the width of the label column and decreasing the width of the content column. While the effect of this may seem minor in theory, in practice this frequently results in numerous additional line breaks in the infobox, substantially increasing the infobox's length.

To avoid this, I would suggest that rather than using the label "Other[ ]academic advisors" when the field is used alongside doctoral_advisor, we instead use the label "Other advisors" in such cases. As the field normally appears under the heading "Academic background", this label would be no less precise than the existing one. And the fact that we are referring specifically to academic advisors is further reinforced by the fact that the label would only appear when immediately followed by the doctoral_advisor field. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Can you show some examples of this problem? I finally found Thomas Nagel, where the two parameters are used together, but my browser does not show this problem in that case. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 04:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Thomas Nagel was what prompted me to suggest this. It's far from the most extreme example I've seen, but I count the addition of seven line breaks and the loss of one line break (as the doctoral advisor label never needs to wrap when the academic advisors field is present) for a net addition of six line breaks. I've posted the infobox with and without the academic advisors field in the collapsed boxes below.

{{Infobox academic}} already has a tendency to be on the long side, so the addition of six lines makes a difference (and, in this case, amounts to a 16% increase in the number of lines in the infobox, excluding headings and the image). And the effect has been even more pronounced in articles I have come across in the past, particularly articles with a significant number of names in the influences and influenced fields.

With academic advisors field

Thomas Nagel Nagel in 1978 Born (1937-07-04) July 4, 1937 Belgrade, Yugoslavia Nationality American Spouses Doris G. Blum ​ ​ (m. 1958; div. 1973)​ Anne Hollander ​ ​ (m. 1979; died 2014)​ Awards Balzan Prize (2008) Rolf Schock Prize (2008) Academic background Alma mater Cornell University Corpus Christi College, Oxford Harvard University Thesis Altruism (1963) Doctoral advisor John Rawls Other advisors J. L. Austin Academic work Discipline Philosophy Sub-discipline Epistemology ethics legal philosophy philosophy of mind political philosophy School or tradition Analytic philosophy Institutions New York University Princeton University University of California, Berkeley Doctoral students Marcelo Alegre Rebecca Goldstein Shelly Kagan Samuel Scheffler Susan Wolf Notable works The Possibility of Altruism (1970) "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" (1974) Mortal Questions (1979) The View from Nowhere (1986) Equality and Partiality (1991) The Last Word (1997) Mind and Cosmos (2012) Notable ideas Panpsychism subjective character of experience what is it like to be a something References

Without academic advisors field

Thomas Nagel Nagel in 1978 Born (1937-07-04) July 4, 1937 Belgrade, Yugoslavia Nationality American Spouses Doris G. Blum ​ ​ (m. 1958; div. 1973)​ Anne Hollander ​ ​ (m. 1979; died 2014)​ Awards Balzan Prize (2008) Rolf Schock Prize (2008) Academic background Alma mater Cornell University Corpus Christi College, Oxford Harvard University Thesis Altruism (1963) Doctoral advisor John Rawls Academic work Discipline Philosophy Sub-discipline Epistemology ethics legal philosophy philosophy of mind political philosophy School or tradition Analytic philosophy Institutions New York University Princeton University University of California, Berkeley Doctoral students Marcelo Alegre Rebecca Goldstein Shelly Kagan Samuel Scheffler Susan Wolf Notable works The Possibility of Altruism (1970) "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" (1974) Mortal Questions (1979) The View from Nowhere (1986) Equality and Partiality (1991) The Last Word (1997) Mind and Cosmos (2012) Notable ideas Panpsychism subjective character of experience what is it like to be a something References

207.161.86.162 (talk) 05:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done: yes, I see that does make a difference. I made the change in the sandbox and then added Nagel's ibox to the testcases page. Made it easier to see the benefit in your edit. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 07:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Paine Ellsworth! 207.161.86.162 (talk) 08:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

It's my pleasure! Paine  08:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Notes

burial_place

I have almost emptied Pages using infobox academic with unknown parameters. The few remaining articles need |burial_place= and/or |resting_place=. Since this is a standard parameter of {{infobox person}}, it should be available for academics just like most other bios. Frietjes or Jonesey (or anyone else), could you please add this. MB 03:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

okay, added. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Award parameter

Relevant and related discussion at Template talk:Infobox scientist#Award parameter. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a parameter for "Published books"

It is better to added a parameter for the published books of an academician. Thanks, Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Fully wrap Infobox person?

In the sandbox, I have a version of the template that uses Module:Template wrapper, which allows any parameter in {{Infobox person}} to also be accepted here, while also accepting all existing parameters to this template. The downside is that all error checking is now handled by {{Infobox person}}, so parameter errors will show up in Category:Pages using infobox person with unknown parameters.

What do editors think? Should I make the sandbox template go live? — hike395 (talk) 05:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done --- I fixed it so that errors will show up in Category:Pages using infobox academic with unknown parameters. — hike395 (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

H-index and Citations

Can H-index and Citation (as in citation count) parameters be added to this Infobox? KD HU (talk) 15:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)