Talk:The Parting Glass

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Covers - list of recordings should stay in the article[edit]

One of the criteria for notability of a song is:

Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups. (from Wikipedia:Notability (music))

So a listing in the article of some of the recordings of this song by notable musicians is essential to fulfill this criterion. Hohenloh⁺ 14:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, though that section does need references, and any new additions, especially by lesser-known musicians, must be referenced. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 15:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a SONG is notable if it has been, per the Wikipedia criteria, "released as a recording by several notable artists..." But that does not indicate that a particular RECORDING of the song is notable. What should be avoided is what is seen in so many articles: lists of recordings by any and all who ever recorded the song, whether good, bad or ugly. The notability of the SONG is not in question (and that is why it has an article). The notability of a particular RECORDING needs to have a citation and something that makes the recording itself notable, or we end up with overgrown lists. What are the proposed criteria to allow one song over another into the list? I would think first recording, most recognized recording, best-selling recording,... any others? Eastcote (talk) 01:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an entry for Irish actress Sarah Greene, who performed the song in the game Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag. I'm not familiar with how to add reference tags but her iMDb page states she had indeed performed the song, although she isn't credited for it. 192.225.180.136 (talk) 17:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's also the closing song for a show in the West End called 'The Choir of Man' (which has its own wiki article I believe) There is also a cast recording. It is an Olivier award nominated show... Maybe worth including? 92.40.216.37 (talk) 23:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May be of interest http://www.justanothertune.com/html/partingglass.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remou (talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Apologies if I'm using this talk page incorrectly, Wikipedia's forum style is confusing.) @Mutt Lunker You reverted my change adding Ed Sheeran's recording to this list, saying that it isn't a notable recording. Why?

Ed Sheeran was one of the top artists of the 2010's and the album the song was on peaked at number 5 on US billboard. Imo it doesn't matter that the specific song didn't get special recognition. Likely a sizable portion of people who have heard this song ever heard it from Sheeran. Prime624 (talk) 06:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Prime624, WP:SONGCOVER specifies that "Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles (and) should be included ... only if...the rendition is discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right". If you can find such sources, by all means include the rendition. I hope that helps. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that makes more sense, thanks. (I disagree with the premise but that's not relevant to this page.) Prime624 (talk) 21:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Melody? Lyrics?[edit]

It is meaningless to talk about a supposedly notable song without giving any hint of the melody or at least a verse or two of the more common lyrics. That's like talking about a famous painting without seeing the painting. If these things can't be provided in an article, at least some links to them need to be provided.

BTW, I STRONGLY disagree that a song needs to have been "recorded by several notable artists" in order to be a notable song. Audio recording is barely a hundred years old. There have been notable sonngs around LONG before the advent of recording, and many have roots going back centuries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.206.183.78 (talk) 08:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[New Comment]: I also like to compare this with Vaughan Williams' "Dives and Lazarus" and sometimes I wonder if he was ever inspired a little by The Parting Glass; just a thought --comment added by [User: guest] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.141.58.139 (talk) 17:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the references: the words and music are in O Lochlainn's book. The words and a midi file are on the Contemplator site - what more do you want? Hohenloh⁺ 13:47, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shaun Davey original tune?[edit]

Lovely as Davey's arrangement is I'd question that it would truly count as a "new, original melody". It does depart a bit but has the same metric structure and would easily work as a harmony against the conventional version of the melody. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Origin[edit]

Due to frequent incorrect edits, presumably due to the song's popularity in Ireland, I have decided to create a talk section on the origin of the song. The article and it's sources state that the song's lyrics came from Scotland as early as 1600, with the tune also coming from Scotland much more recently. If you have evidence of an Irish origin predating the Scottish one, please post that information here. Until such information is posted I will continue to revert alterations made to the article. STKS91 (talk) 20:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Celtic Woman[edit]

Celtic Woman have released a slightly-new version, on their Homecoming album. Memassivbeast (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Influence, however strong, is not origin[edit]

The recently added references regarding strong Irish influence would seem worthy of inclusion. Bending them, in the manner that they were, to claim origin is neither supported nor warranted. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sheeran cover[edit]

Apologies, added this a bit too boldly without checking the talk page and seeing consensus was to leave it. Would like the below to be considered though:

I've seen it mentioned in a couple of sources [1] [2], it's mentioned in Give Me Love's lead, and the page is a member of the category for Ed Sheeran songs, so could this be reconsidered to keep? Is two sources enough to pass WP:SONGCOVER? Couruu (talk) 10:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for picking up on this after your edit. It would be quite a stretch to say that these mentions indicate that the sources show "that it is noteworthy in its own right" and it is nowhere near the criteria for WP:NSONGS. Thanks for raising it though. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

German version[edit]

I think that the German band dArtagnan might have recorded a German version. Or am I wrong? Search: DArtagnan - "Das letzte Glas" Universal-Interessierter^de (talk (de)) 04:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If they have, it would only be pertinent to mention if it fulfils WP:SONGCOVER. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]