Talk:The Only One (The Cure song)

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Untitled[edit]

The Only One (first known as Please Project) is the first of four singles from The Cure's thirteen untitled album. The B side is a non-album track callled NY Trip.

This song was played several times during the 4 tour.

Notability[edit]

Per WP:MUSIC#SONGS: "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album."

I will leave the notability tag up for a short while. Then, failing any substantial change, I will redirect this article again. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing at it's the first single (not an album track, it's a single. Every Cure single has a page) from the thirteenth album by a very notable band, and is likely to chart, It will certainly (like every other Cure single) be notable Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 18:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially, you are saying that WP:MUSIC#SONGS does not apply. But you don't say why.

"it's the first single (not an album track, it's a single." It's a song. Yes, it's being released as a single from an album, but WP:MUSIC#SONGS applies.

"Every Cure single has a page)" ...which has nothing to do with whether this single should (or all of the others should). Other stuff exists.

"from the thirteenth album by a very notable band," Yes, The Cure is clearly notable. We're talking about the WP:MUSIC#SONGS.

"and is likely to chart,"...at which point, if that happens, it will be notable.

"It will certainly (like every other Cure single) be notable" WP:CRYSTAL, WP:OSE. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

stop talking rubbish. it's a single by the cure. it's notable, and that's that. 81.155.93.114 (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contribution, anonymous-IP-person. If you feel wikipedia's guidelines are rubbish, wikipedia probably isn't the place for you. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 11:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it's pretty clear that wikipedia is intended to be a place for anyone. and just because "guidelines" say things, that's far from meaning they're right. it's be a pretty disastrous world if people accepted all "guidelines" as god-spoken. there are a lot of wiki guidelines which are very far removed from common sense. that people question them doesn't mean anything about how wikipedia is "the place" for them 81.155.93.114 (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And to be fair the guidelines you've quoted above are just that, guidelines. Whilst WP:IAR is policy if it stops an editor from improving Wikipedia. It is pretty obvious that this single is going to become notable in the next week or two even if it doesn't chart, simply by being reviewed in notable publications and because it's the first single from The Cure in three and a half years. I think the chances of the single either not charting or not being reviewed in the next couple of weeks are probably slim to none. Let's just wait and see. --JD554 (talk) 12:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm awful familiar with WP:MUSIC and WP:MUSIC#SONGS, I totally understand that notability isn't inheritied and it's a a tad too early to say anything about the charts. The single was only issued yesterday and does growth on the Mediabase Alternative chart (which uses the same information as the Modern Rock Tracks chart. Both use alternative rock radio station airplay to compile their list. Also please note that the link above only shows the radio stations playing it since yesterday and it doesn't include chart peak on Mediabase), but even on the Mediabase chart it's at #87 (not in the Top 40), I can't say it will be as I cannot see into the future, but it does have a chance, however saying it's not notable now just because it's released by a notable, charting band on a notable major label is a little strange to me. Also i will try to find some reliable sources for the page (even though that has nothing to do with this, it doesn't hurt). Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 12:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:IAR? "Ignore all rules" does not mean that every action is justifiable. It is neither a trump card nor a carte blanche. A rule-ignorer must justify how their actions improve the encyclopedia if challenged. Actually, everyone should be able to do that at all times. In cases of conflict, what counts as an improvement is decided by consensus. Wikipedia:What_"Ignore_all_rules"_means#What_.22Ignore_all_rules.22_does_not_mean No one is supplying a justification for ignoring the guidelines, only "Of course it's notable, it's THE CURE!" or "It is going to chart." or "it's notable and that's that." Saying something is notable is not the same as showing something is notable. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

that depends on how seriously you take this whole mess of a website, really. as a portion of my life, i really don't care about wasting my time justifying things i know to be true 81.155.93.114 (talk) 19:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've given my justification for IAR above. --JD554 (talk) 14:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When I wrote my very first comment here, I feared that it would be mistaken as a "notability is inherited" comment but posted it anyway, it wasn't supposed to be. I'm merely mentioning tht the single is by a notable band, released on a notable label and is a retail released single and not a non-single album track. I mean, it's likely that in the next few weeks it will either chart on the Modern Rock Tracks chart in America or the UK Singles Chart, but right now, something like that is pretty crystal bally. I put the Mediabase link up there if i'm not mistaken, but i'm unsure whether or not 20 or so American radio stations playing the track is considered notability since it's not on the Top 40 of Mediabase's chart as of yet. I'd wait to make any sort of call. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 15:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think all the above is now moot, as now that there are at least two published reviews of the single it meets the general notability guideline at WP:N. --JD554 (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]