Talk:Shir Habatlanim

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Did you know... that the Israeli entry for the 1987 Eurovision Shir Habatlanim, meaning The Bums' song led to a resignation threat by the Israeli culture minister?

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"The Bums' song"[edit]

I'm not sure where this idiomatic (and unencyclopedic) translation comes from (Eurovision?) but I'm not sure it's entirely accurate. It also falls foul of cultural differences in understanding the word "Bum". Where I live, "bum" means "backside", rather than the intended meaning of a lazy, good for nothing. --Dweller 13:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources at my disposal translate it as "Bums", rather than anything else. The article also makes it clear which meaning is meant, so I fail to see what the problem is. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word "bum" is clearly US English usage. The preceding response by BigHaz, referring to ~~(uncited)~~ sources, would attest to "encyclopedic" validity for the translation. However, as Dweller indicates, this is distracting for readers of British Commonwealth English familiar only with the "backside" sense. I redacted accordingly, but after my subsequent reading of BigHaz's response I did a Web search; finding no support whatsoever for my alternative "lazy guys" (the term I recall among Anglophone Israelis at the time). Consequently I'm reverting (manually) and including an inline explanation. -- Deborahjay 22:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are in fact cited in the article itself. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Noted; my above commented redacted accordingly. -- Thanks, Deborahjay 22:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure doin' business with you. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, looks like this is fixed. We can always link to bum if necessary. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the caveat of "U.S. English" suffices here. -- Y not? 00:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great job all. I'm not sure of the subtleties of US English, but is it (as I imagine) an idiomatic translation, rather than a straight one? --Dweller 06:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]