Talk:Green Guerillas

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Green Guerillas/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 16:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I'll be taking a look at this article! Any section marked with a  Working tag means that I haven't finished making comments, but feel free to address any suggestions that you do see, even if I'm not finished! — GhostRiver 16:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lede

• "The Green Guerillas" → "The Green Guerillas" per MOS:BOLDTITLE
  •  Done
• "abandoned or empty space" → "abandoned or empty spaces"
  •  Done

Early activities

• Link financial crisis to stagflation, the relevant crisis at the time
  •  Done, but to History_of_the_United_States_(1964–1980)#"Stagflation"
• "and saw an associated increase in abandoned buildings"
  •  Done
• "Many were demolished, sometimes because they had attracted crime, and the number of vacant lots increased." → "Some of these buildings attracted crime, leading the city to demolish the abandoned buildings and increase the number of vacant lots."
  • This is a change in meaning. I don't think the sourcing states that the demolitions were all necessarily due to attracting crime?
• There should be a citation at the end of the first paragraph, per WP:INTEGRITY
  •  Done
• WL condom
  •  Done
• "with the hope that after shattering," → "with the hope that, after shattering,"
  •  Done

Bowery Houston Community Farm and Garden

• "in colonial times to celebrate the United States bicentennial" → "in colonial times, in celebration for the upcoming United States bicentennial"
  •  Done
• "recalling that "In"..." → "recalling that, "[i]n"..."
  •  Done
• "The group requested permission from the city, but it was denied so they proceeded outside of official channels." → "After the city denied the group permission to work on the project, they proceeded outside of official channels."
  •  Done
• Link New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development
  •  Done
• Link New York Daily News
  •  Done
• "the garden said" → "the garden said that"
  •  Done
• "reported that the group" → "reported that they"
  •  Done

Growth and community organizing

• "Through their activities they taught communities not just about plants, but" → "In addition to teaching communities about plants, the Green Guerillas taught..."
  •  Done
• "the year after Christy died" → "the year after Christy's death"
  •  Done
• "one of its" → "one of their"
  •  Done
• "Bowery-Houston Garden" → "Bowery–Houston Garden"
  •  Done
• "Newsday article" → "Newsday article"
  •  Done
• "between 1984-1999" → "between 1984 and 1999"
  •  Done
• "he prioritized privatizing and developing public land" → "he prioritized the privatization and development of public land"
  •  Done
• WL New York City Council
  •  Done
• The Giuliani lawsuit was in 1999 – how did it turn out?
  •  Done added a few sentences about this and a related suit

Legacy

• "In an article in Nature and Culture" → "In an article for Nature and Culture"
  •  Done
• "showing that "it is possible"..."
  •  Done
• ""ecological restoration projects."" → ""ecological restoration projects"." per MOS:LQ
  •  Done I don't know why the MOS doesn't want punctuation within quotes when it appears that way in the source just because a word or two is missing from the front, but also don't care enough to argue. :)

References

• In reference [1], I would make the title end at "Garden Movement", then have NYC Parks be the work, and New York City Department of Parks and Recreation be the publisher.
  •  Done I've been told in the past that we should avoid having both a work and a publisher, but meh.
• In reference [3], change "NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: EAST VILLAGE" to title case, per MOS:ALLCAPS
  •  Done
• Same deal in reference [13]
  •  Done
• In reference [5], specify that the article in question is in Vol. 15, No. 6 of the EPA Journal, which should be listed as the work and not the publisher.
  •  Done
• You can link [6] to the GBooks entry here
  •  Done
• Reference [18] is inconsistent with the citation style used in every other reference
  • Do you just mean it was missing a url and access date? I've gone ahead and added them. They were somehow tricky to find.  Done?

General comments

• Two photos are used. Both are relevant to the article. One is in the public domain and one is Creative Commons.
• There are no issues with stability. The last non-bot edit was on August 2.
• Earwig score is good, with the highest % matches tying back to attributed direct quotes.

Putting on hold to allow nominator to address comments. Ping me if there are any questions. — GhostRiver 16:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Thanks for the review! I think I've taken care of nearly everything above. A couple minor responses, but otherwise pretty straightforward. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Thank you for making the changes! Regarding the one comment above, the exact quote in the source (p. 290) says, the number of vacant lots grew dramatically as the city razed abandoned structures that had become hubs for arson, vandalism, and socially undesirable activities. To me, that reads like the primary reason was crime. — GhostRiver 22:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Sure, but I don't think that's strong enough to state cause and effect. It also only speaks to the buildings demolished by the city rather than when the city took ownership of an existing empty lot. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: I do still think the sentence reads awkwardly as it is. Maybe try and saw an associated increase in abandoned buildings, some of which attracted crime. Many were demolished, and the number of vacant lots increased. — GhostRiver 22:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver:  Done sounds good to me. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Looks all good to me now, passing! — GhostRiver 22:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Great! Thanks for taking the time! — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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• Article history

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• ... that the Green Guerillas threw "seed grenades" into abandoned lots in New York City in the 1970s, and are credited with beginning the community gardening movement?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/We Interrupt This Program

Improved to Good Article status by Rhododendrites (talk). Self-nominated at 11:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC).

• Article meets length and age requirements, article aligns with policies, and the hook is cited properly. QPQ review not yet conducted. Recommend adding the time period to the hook. I recommend also noting—perhaps in an alternate hook—whether the community gardening movement inspired was in the United States or worldwide. Let me know when ready and I'll come back and recheck.

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Airborne84 (talk) 00:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the Green Guerillas threw "seed grenades" into abandoned lots in New York City in the 1970s?

• @Airborne84: QPQ done/underway. Added time period. It seems I have lost access to the book which made that claim directly about starting the community gardening movement. I've added ALT1 with just the first part of the hook, which seems "hooky" enough as it is. Thanks. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Please note which article you conducted the QPQ review on. Airborne84 (talk) 22:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

@Airborne84: ? it's up there by "reviewed" - Template:Did you know nominations/We Interrupt This Program — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Shows how long I looked at the nomination @Rhododendrites:. Indeed it was there, apologies. I think your original hook was sourced though. This source on the History of the Community Gardening Movement says that the noted activity "not only beautified formerly vacant lots but soon became a grassroots program that fostered neighborhood participation." Is that what you were looking for? Airborne84 (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

There was another source which stated it more clearly (community garden movement). My assumption is it's that Avant Gardening book that I don't seem to have preview access through gbooks anymore somehow. I'd rather just err on the side of leaving it off, I suppose. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:11, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

OK, passing with my support for ALT1. I think the community gardening movement bit would definitely be interesting to some readers, but I suspect the rest of the material is similar enough to draw them in as well. Thanks for your work on this. Airborne84 (talk) 23:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

ALT1 to T:DYK/P2