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User:Canpark writing VN War battle articles purely from communist newspapers
Has anyone else noticed? Some of them claimed that the VC were outnumbered 10/15 to 1 and killed in one case, 190 times as many anti-communists. Since contemporary communist papers of the day claimed that the Americans had shackled all of S Viets together and used rottweilers etc to force them to do this or the other, I can't see how VC papers can be used at all, as everything in there was a hoax to inflate VC soldiers' morale YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 08:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Those articles (original ones in Vietnamese) are intended to be read for relaxing, I think. As ký sự (chronicle, a kind of half novel/memoir, half fact), they don't have enough academic and information value to be used as sources here. At least the editor (Canpark) should use sources from US or South Vietnam to balance the neutrality instead of distorting the credibility of Vietnamese sources by using propaganda sources as academic sources. Grenouille vert (talk) 03:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Amore Mio says there is a story claiming that 2VC wiped out two ARVN battalions, which sounds ridiculous, and I don't know of any US/SV source that inflates by 10X factor. Nguyen Cao Ky is the biggest rubbish SV guy out there and even he isn't this ridiculous, although his extreme ego is always amusing YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's only a matter of evaluating source, we here have to consider which source is propaganda and which one is credible, IMO Canpark tried to discredit Vietnamese sources by using a propaganda article as an academic source. Even US has that kind of propaganda like this rubbish. So Vietnamese source is not the problem, the real issue is how we use sources. Grenouille vert (talk) 09:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Not to go off topic, but that "rubbish" you link looks like an editorial, which aren't reliable sources for giving facts. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's only a matter of evaluating source, we here have to consider which source is propaganda and which one is credible, IMO Canpark tried to discredit Vietnamese sources by using a propaganda article as an academic source. Even US has that kind of propaganda like this rubbish. So Vietnamese source is not the problem, the real issue is how we use sources. Grenouille vert (talk) 09:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Endorsed. We can use Vietnamese sources to make Vietnam War-related articles less bias but we should use them with great care. We shouldn't use online newspapers at all because most of the Vietnamese journalists has never did any research and they often make mistakes while writing.--AM (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hi all, thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. I don't feel like justifying myself for using Communist-sourced newspapers, despite the fact that certain members have argued those sources cannot be used as an academic source. I agree to a certain extent. But look at it this way; if the Americans could claim they had killed huge numbers of VC despite being outnumbered in certain battles during the war, then I guess Communist Vietnam could do the same thing. After all it takes two to distort history, since American articles ONLY use American or other Western sources. Don't discredit a source simply because it's Communist. Canpark (talk) 11:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, but if the US military published flagrant nonsense about anything important, the likes of David Halberstam and Neil Sheehan embarrassed them rather quickly. In NV there is no such mechanism. Your claim that US historians and journalists only interview US eyewitnesses is not correct for the former, and they are not involved, unlike a current army newspaper. As for kill ratios, one obvious reason is that they had much more air power to simply bomb everything, whereas the VC did not ply aeroplanes during guerilla actions YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- I think the NV newspapers should be used to express the NV POV, and nothing more. To put it bluntly, their government and newspapers didn't exactly have a stellar record for accurate reporting. The ideal solution would be to use the newspapers for the views on the ground at the time and for initial reactions to certain battles; for other information, especially casualty figures and other easily disputed information, researched secondary sources (preferably peer-reviewed) should be used and cited. See also "Reliable sources in military history". Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- No one else treats these old soldier war stories as a serious source. Using them makes us look like naive dupes. The communists themselves certainly didn't get their war news from reading articles like these. If you want to find out how the leadership made decisions and what they really thought about the war, I recommend, The Vietnam War from the Other Side (2002) by Cheng Guan Ang. For the official view, there is Victory in Vietnam (2002). Kauffner (talk) 05:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, but if the US military published flagrant nonsense about anything important, the likes of David Halberstam and Neil Sheehan embarrassed them rather quickly. In NV there is no such mechanism. Your claim that US historians and journalists only interview US eyewitnesses is not correct for the former, and they are not involved, unlike a current army newspaper. As for kill ratios, one obvious reason is that they had much more air power to simply bomb everything, whereas the VC did not ply aeroplanes during guerilla actions YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hi all, thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. I don't feel like justifying myself for using Communist-sourced newspapers, despite the fact that certain members have argued those sources cannot be used as an academic source. I agree to a certain extent. But look at it this way; if the Americans could claim they had killed huge numbers of VC despite being outnumbered in certain battles during the war, then I guess Communist Vietnam could do the same thing. After all it takes two to distort history, since American articles ONLY use American or other Western sources. Don't discredit a source simply because it's Communist. Canpark (talk) 11:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Amore Mio says there is a story claiming that 2VC wiped out two ARVN battalions, which sounds ridiculous, and I don't know of any US/SV source that inflates by 10X factor. Nguyen Cao Ky is the biggest rubbish SV guy out there and even he isn't this ridiculous, although his extreme ego is always amusing YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
US naming or International naming?
I changed the Category:Transportation in Vietnam from US Engl. to International Engl. Now some US editor is contesting it at: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_6#Category:Transportation_in_Asia TruckCard (talk) 02:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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Gulf of Tonkin Incident
FYI, Gulf of Tonkin Incident has been nominated to be renamed. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 02:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
A rather brutish way to establish consensus, but someone is requesting users comment (or "vote") on whether some Chinese characters should be included in this article. Please take a look if you would be so kind. S.G.(GH) ping! 12:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
- I thought a straw poll might be a good idea, but this one is laid out in such a silly way I'm disinclined to participate. It would be better to have a discussion here and draw up guidelines for when it's appropriate to include Chinese characters. A bit like we did for diacritics. I was so sorry to see the ad hominems on the article talk page. English-language Wikipedia should welcome all editors who can write English to native or near-native standard. We shouldn't be bitching at each other for only being fluent in two or three languages. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nguyen Chanh Thi/archive1: VN War General who was involved in a lot of coups. And he tried to overthrow Diem, above YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
History of Vietnam subsections
I inserted some subsections into the Divided Period, mainly so I could make sense of it myself. It might be a bit rough and ready though. If you can do it better or can add to or improve this high-importance article, please do. Itsmejudith (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
History of Vietnam since 1945
I have to contest the figures cited for fatalities in Vietnam after the Vietminh victory. The figures are sourced from R.J. Rummel, who is crap, a Heritage-Foundation level scholar with a serious slant: his sources for Vietcong versus North Vietnamese vs civilians killed in 1965-1975 era are the bombing parties, the US and the South Vietnamese armies. Not credible. Discussion of the subject must remain vague until real figures can be obtained. --MarkB2 Chat 11:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Up and running YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 00:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Up and running YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 00:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
WikiProject cleanup listing
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Non-English characters in dab page, article page, redirect page names, up for RfC
See WT:Article titles#Non-Roman characters in redirects to articles, where an RfC has been opened on the use of non-English characters in page titles for disambiguation and redirect titles (and there appears to also be discussion about article titles) 76.66.203.138 (talk) 09:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Vietnamese help
- How do you say "Logo of the Houston Independent School District" in Vietnamese?
- The image that needs the description is at: File:HoustonISDVietnameseLogo.PNG
- "Houston Independent School District" in Vietnamese is "Khu Học Chánh Houston"
WhisperToMe (talk) 08:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- According to vi.wiki, "Biểu trưng" is Vietnamese for "logo". So the phrase should be something like "Biểu trưng của Khu Học Chánh Houston". --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 15:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Notability question
As a new page patroller, I have recently found myself involved in pages about the Vietnamese singer Ha Thanh Lich and her new album release Ha Trang. I can find no reliable sources in English that mention this singer. Can someone do a search in Vietnamese to see if there is any coverage of this singer and her music? From what I can gather, she appears to be quite popular in the Vietnamese-American community, but I suspect that any legitimate reviews of her music would only appear in Vietnamese language periodicals. I am loath to move these articles to a deletion discussion until I have done due diligence on a search for sources. Thanks for your help! WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- An article about her was written in vi.wiki but was deleted due to lack of notability. DHN (talk) 21:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Question about a "self-published" reference
For the past while I've been working on articles related to Rail transport in Vietnam—my expansions to the eponymous article just went up on Jan. 4th and are getting ready to go up on DYK. My current question is about a particular file I'd like to use as a reference, but I'm not sure if it's admissible as a reliable source: a detailed map of railways in Vietnam. It was published by a forum user named CADer whose website, daumaytoaxe.com, is a Vietnamese forum devoted to railways. At the bottom right of the map, he's noted his sources for putting it together, including "Bản đồ giao thông Việt Nam" (a road map of Vietnam which seems to show railway lines—see here: http://www.cadviet.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5189), Google Maps, and the Vietnam Railways website (for the locations of train stations). The question is, given the fact that he's provided his own sources, is this map a reliable source, despite the fact that it's an amateur creation that's mainly been made available through forums? I'd certainly like to be able to use it more, since it's just about the most complete and detailed map of Vietnam's railways I've found on the Internet. Thoughts? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 04:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Bump for continued relevance—otherwise, any ideas as to where I should ask this question? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 03:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
.JPG File
Hue Massacre Internment.jpg
Internment should be Interment.
This file is at Role of the United States in the Vietnam War, Border battles and the Tet Offensive (paragraph 3.5).
I hesitate to make this change because the misspelling is not only in the Title, but also in a Link. The file is a candidate to be copied to the Wikimedia Commons.
I hope someone can look at the file and fix it. Very respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 05:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've added a rename tag to it; an administrator should be able to make the change soon enough. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 15:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Need photos taken in Vietnam?
I'll be going back to Vietnam for Tết in about a week, and while I'll probably be too busy to work on any articles over there, I am planning on taking some pictures for adding to Commons. I'm expecting to go to the following places: Da Nang, Can Tho, Qui Nhon and Ho Chi Minh City. Here's where you come in—if you'd like me to take any specific photos of any of these places (photos of monuments, buildings, specific areas, etc), please let me know here or on my talk page as soon as possible. I can't guarantee that I'll be able to honour all requests, as I will have other things to do in each place and I may not be able to get to certain out-of-the-way places, but I figured I'd throw out a notice in case I could be of service to anyone out there. Chúc mừng năm mới! --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 15:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
- A little update: out of my collection (including this most recent trip, and reaching back two years), I've identified 500 photos so far, illustrating different locations (including Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Da Nang, Hoi An, Huế, Da Lat, Quy Nhon, Can Tho, and Sa Pa), situations and aspects of Vietnamese life. There are a number of photos of pagodas, churches, and other places of worship; markets, shops and street vendors; airports and train stations; some government buildings, hospitals, schools, and various other institutions of society; various vehicles, including airplanes, boats, trains, municipal buses, inter-city buses, taxis, motorbikes, and the like; bridges, roads and railways; some photos of Vietnamese customs in action (funerals, weddings, betrothals); foods; landscapes; signs; and many more. Until I have the time to upload them all (which might be long in coming), perhaps the best way for all of you to see the photos you want is to ask (under "Requests" below) whether I could upload a certain type of photo (pagodas in Ho Chi Minh City, for example), and I'll upload my best shots posthaste. Most of these aren't great works of art, they're just plain, illustrative shots of different facets of Vietnam, so don't expect Ansel Adams or anything. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 11:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- For those of you who want to have a quick view of what I've uploaded to Commons so far, you can check out the following Categories (more to come as time goes on):
Requests
Sp33dyphil
- Tan Son Nhat International Airport, with Vietnam Airlines planes, (used for the airline's article)
- Tried to get a good shot, but I've only gotten night shots so far. It's hard to get a good angle too. Going to wait and see if I can get some during the day for better visibility and maneuverability. Update: Been trying to get good shots, but no luck so far—never able to get the right angles. That said, There are a few shots of VNA planes at TSN on Commons (File:Vietnam Airlines loading supplies TSN.JPG, File:VietnamAirlines TanSonNhut.JPG), and there seem to be several more on flickr that could be transferred to commons ([2]). See any in there that could be good? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Update 2: I got shots of a Vietnam Airlines plane with the new international terminal in Da Nang. Will this do for now? ;) --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 16:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your effort, they are good pictures. I've very appreciative for your time :) Sp33dyphil (T • C • I love Wikipedia!) 00:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Itsmejudith
This is just from a rapid trawl of HCM City and Da Nang related pages.
- All the universities in the two cities, no articles currently have photos. Ideally for each, a photo of the main administrative building and one or more photos with students in - students outside a teaching building, a residence block.
- Will see if I can do a run of uni's in Da Nang soon, and will try to hit up a few major ones in HCMC. Are there any super-important ones in HCMC that should have priority, if, say, I could only get a pic of one? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 10:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Wherever you can easily visit the campus. Local people will know which unis are most prestigious, longest-established. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Snapped a few shots of the University of Da Nang's Le Duan campus; its campuses are spread really far apart, so I'm not too sure I'll be able to get any of the others. I should be able to swing by some of the others, too, like the downtown campus of Duy Tan, Dong A, and others that are close. Coming back to HCMC later in the month, and will snap a few more shots then. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 09:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Went to visit the Ho Chi Minh City Architecture University; got a number of shots of the building, and a few shots of students in classes that could be used for Education in Vietnam. Also went for a quick tour of Quy Nhon University, so I have a couple shots of that one I could contribute too. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 04:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Wherever you can easily visit the campus. Local people will know which unis are most prestigious, longest-established. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Will see if I can do a run of uni's in Da Nang soon, and will try to hit up a few major ones in HCMC. Are there any super-important ones in HCMC that should have priority, if, say, I could only get a pic of one? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 10:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hotel Majestic, Saigon
- Saigon Zoo and Botanical Gardens
- Voice of Ho Chi Minh City (radio station) building
- For the rest of these, I'll try when I come back in Feb.—in Da Nang right now. Update: Couldn't get either of these, unfortunately, but I'm pretty sure we can find photos of the zoo on flickr (see here!). As for the VoHCMC building, another time I guess... --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 10:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
![[3]](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hotel_Majestic_SGN_Tet2011.JPG){kind=link}
![[4]](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hotel_Majestic_SGN_wide.JPG){kind=link}
Itsmejudith (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Great work! Itsmejudith (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Party congress results
The results of the party congress have been announced.[5] The new general secretary, Nguyễn Phú Trọng, would appear to be a figurehead since he is only No. 8 on the Politburo list. This would leave Trương Tấn Sang, president designate and Politburo chief, as Vietnam's real boss. He's a mystery dude we don't even have an entry for. Kauffner (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- Whoever makes updates on party leadership should probably consider expanding the stub for the Eleventh National Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam, too. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 15:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I created an article for Trương Tấn Sang. Kauffner (talk) 09:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Health in Vietnam merge
Just wanted to call attention to a situation on the article Health in Vietnam. This article, which is of high importance but is fairly rudimentary, has been tagged for merging with two other articles, Vietnam Health System and Vietnamese view of health and illness and utilization of health care. Both of these were lower-quality articles (the "utilization" one looked like it might have been a high school essay, but a referenced one, with offline references to a number of books; the "health system" one was woefully underreferenced), but were tagged for merging in the hopes that something from them might have been used to expand the main health article, which is needlessly short. Just today, what seems to be one anonymous user (first using 74.178.192.228 and now 74.178.192.229) has "merged" Health in Vietnam and Vietnam Health System, where "merging" means, in this case, "appended one article to the other".
Now, to be fair, a merge, any merge, needed to be done on these articles; still, though, the result of the present merge is a mess, and I'm sure it's not what's intended when we talk about merging articles. I wouldn't necessarily want to undo the merge either, since the two lower-quality articles were pretty bad and didn't really deserve to stand alone. Anyone else have any thoughts? I'm not in a position to do a proper merge at this time, due to my travel plans; I guess I just wanted to throw this out to see if anyone could take the lead on it. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 02:19, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm doing a little bit of basic cleanup, i.e. taking out nearly all of the Vietnam Health System material which is an unsourced essay about health systems in general. See what you think when you're back from your travels. Happy New Year! Itsmejudith (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your efforts on it! I originally thought the essays could be saved and refactored, but I guess it's better to just delete the cruft for the sake of maintaining article quality (and getting rid of possible copyvios). I've actually kept a copy of the "View of health and illness" in my sandbox, mainly because it seemed to have some good references that could be reused. Hopefully when I have some time... --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 03:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi
The article is in a very bad state as it needs someone to look at it again.
If it was machine translated from a vietnamese wiki it could do with someone trying to translate it properly.
Chaosdruid (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Definitely machine translated from Vietnamese. Shows how ridiculous the result of such attempts can be. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Tai viet
Unicode has script encoded called "Tai Viet" (see Scripts_in_Unicode, Unicode (pdf)). Can someone say what the link is with any Vietnamese topic (probably script or Tai language), or anything else? Or maybe it is just spelled different here at WP. Now it is a red link in {{Unicode navigation}}. -DePiep (talk) 13:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Tai Dam language comes closest. -DePiep (talk) 23:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Page on naming conventions updated
I have revised WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) to reflect the vote that was taken in July. Kauffner (talk) 09:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Since no one has objected, I have promoted the page to official status. I hope everyone finds the guidelines useful. Kauffner (talk) 15:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Which HCMC district is this in?
- 116 Boulevard Nguyen-Hue. Saigon. South Vietnam - That is where the headquarters of Air Vietnam was
What district of Ho Chi Minh City was this located in?
And were the district boundaries the same until the fall of Saigon?
WhisperToMe (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Most likely District 1. Today that address is an office of Vietnam Airlines. DHN (talk) 22:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- District 1, see this map. District 1 was created in 1959, enlarged in 1976. So everything that was District 1 is still District 1. Kauffner (talk) 00:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! WhisperToMe (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- District 1, see this map. District 1 was created in 1959, enlarged in 1976. So everything that was District 1 is still District 1. Kauffner (talk) 00:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
template:Needquocngu up for deletion
{{Needquocngu}} has been nominated for deletion. 64.229.101.183 (talk) 05:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Nanyue and Nam Viet
Nanyue has been requested to be renamed again, see Talk:Nanyue. 65.95.14.96 (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
New userbox
FYI, I've gone ahead and created a new userbox template, {{User wikivi}}, for those of us who contribute to the Vietnamese Wikipedia. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 15:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Image:Truong Sa Navy.jpg and Image:RVNS Ly Thuong Kiet.jpg have been nominated for deletion. 64.229.100.45 (talk) 07:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Help requested filling in V-League seasons
User:Hockeyben has graciously created articles for all the seasons of the V-League, filling in quite a few redlinks on that page. The new articles need a few go-overs for formatting, wikilinking, adding templates and filling in infoboxes; this would be a good job for anyone with access to AWB to take on. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 19:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Gallery policy?
A number of Vietnamese city articles, including Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Huế, among others, feature substantial image gallery sections. I have serious doubts about whether some of these galleries actually add encyclopedic value to the articles. WP:Galleries says:
- "the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject ... Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons."
Some articles seem to be better off than others. I know Ho Chi Minh City used to have major issues with this (and the galleries on that page do seem to take up an unusual amount of space). Huế seems to me to be a perfect example of excessive, indiscriminate use of images in a gallery (and that article's not as bad as the native Vietnamese version). How should we apply policy in this case? What sort of gallery use could be considered as adding "encyclopedic value", without turning into an album of disconnected snapshots? Should we make it a point to delete "Gallery" sections outright and move the contents to Commons, as mentioned in the policy? Comments and discussion welcomed. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Please help to rescue this from proposed deletion. Bearian (talk) 22:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
RfC notification
A new discussion on wording changes to the current guideline to clarify the use of diacritics for subjects whose native names contain them has been initiated. It can be found at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Capitalization for province names
Is it Ca Mau Province or Ca Mau province? I think the Associated Press is the best authority on these things. They do it as "Ca Mau province."[6][7] The Vietnam News Agency, the country's main news source, does it the same way.[8][9]. So do Lonely Planet and Karnow's Vietnam, two of the top-selling Vietnam-related books. I should note that the Chicago Manual of Style recommends capitalizing "province". (See sections 8.50 and 8.55.) Kauffner (talk) 05:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Convention in wikipedia is to capitalize districts and province names. We are wikipedia not Britannica or Lonely Planet. Please move all pages to capital Province and clean up the links in the articles and templates.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
- Any other requests while you are handing out assignments? I'll hurry right up and put them on my "to do" list. Kauffner (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
For the record, I tried to capitalize the titles for the provinces, but IIO blocked the moves.[10] Kauffner (talk) 03:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Pronunciation
I can't read IPA myself, so I think its pretty useless compared to sound files. User:YellowMonkey left behind 170 ogg files for Vietnamese pronunciation and I have been adding them to the appropriate articles. Kauffner (talk) 11:48, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Open page move discussions
- (Discuss) – District 5, Ho Chi Minh City → District 5
- (Discuss) –Trieu Thi Trinh → Lady Trieu Kauffner (talk) 01:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I think it's called a "don ganh" in Vietnamese. I'm wondering how to find it at http://vi.wikipedia.org. Could someone please help? Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
- This article is not available in vi.wiki, You can look up it with "Đòn gánh" in Vietnamese. [11]--Tranletuhan (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you!! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Vietnamese zodiac
If anyone knows any reliable sources for this, it would be very useful. I mean, academic studies on Vietnamese traditional culture, could be in Vietnamese. University textbooks of Vietnamese history perhaps. Also, I propose that articles on individual signs are merged into Vietnamese zodiac. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
{{Vietnam map}} has been nominated for deletion. The concern with Template:Vietnam map (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) is that it is cluttered, and the legend is in Vietnamese instead of English. If you wish to keep this, you may want to fix it. 76.65.128.198 (talk) 06:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Vietnamese pronounciation files
FYI, several Vietnamese pronounciation files have been nominated for deletion, see WP: Files for deletion/2011 December 26 -- 76.65.128.132 (talk) 05:41, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Vietnam will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Vietnam's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
V-League naming controversy
Hi—just a note to all members to please see Talk:V-League (Vietnam) for discussion about the ongoing controversy about the naming of the V-League/Super League/whatever. The page has seen a rash of unilateral page moves since the end of the last season, and the current situation is ambiguous enough that we're likely to see more of the same for a while. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 16:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Traslation request: A Weaver on the Horizon to Thiên nhai chức nữ
Hi, can anyone translate the plot summmary of A Weaver on the Horizon to Thiên nhai chức nữ as well as updating it? Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 22:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Translation request:Scarlet Heart to Bộ bộ kinh tâm
Hi, can anyone translate the plot summary of Scarlet Heart to Bộ bộ kinh tâm and well as updating it? Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)