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Choose the TAFI article for Week 13 and Week 14 of 2015

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Hello @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit]:

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 13 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived.

  • I have added the numbers because I just don't have enough time to add the articles.

230 289 149 191 9 235 281 56 310 144 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyxp2000 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

The following articles below have been randomly chosen from the holding area. NORTH AMERICA1000 06:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Votes (week 13 and 14)

The results are...

If there are any issues with my human error, comment in this week's section below.

Thanks for voting! Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:30, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 13 and 14)

We should select the top two articles from this week's vote - at the moment we only have one week (other than the current TAFI) scheduled, which is cutting it a bit fine if something goes wrong for whatever reason - Evad37 [talk] 12:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Agree . NORTH AMERICA1000 19:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Agree . In fact, perhaps 3 because for one reason, one of weeks was accidentally delayed, while the other week was deliberately delayed. Or maybe select two articles for this week's votes and two articles for next week's votes. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

How to calculate prose?

I just use all the words in an article without the titles, captions, the see also's and external links. Is this how you count prose? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:09, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Qwertyxp2000: Check out WP:WIADYK, section Eligibility criteria, #1 (New), which describes how prose is calculated for WP:DYK nominations. I feel that this is a functional procedure to use. Note that per that page, it states, "The length of both the old and new versions of the article is calculated based on prose character count, not word count. Prose character count excludes wiki markup, templates, lists, tables, and references". NORTH AMERICA1000 03:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Is it only paragraph prose that I have to count? What should I count and what should I not count? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 12, 2015)

Hello, TAFI.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Dinner

Previous selections: Cuisine • Backup dancer

Get involved with the TAFI project! You can...
Posted by: NORTH AMERICA1000 23:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Simplify accomplishments page?

Is there really any need for the Accomplishments page to be so detailed, and require so much manual work to update? What is the actual point of it? Perhaps we could simplify it to just the week/date and article, with permanent links to the old version and improved version (and perhaps also a diff of the improvement). It would save a lot of work (or blank data if the work isn't done), given that realistically the chances of a bot doing the work is very remote – but this would retain enough data should a bot or other (semi/)automated process ever be coded. - Evad37 [talk] 00:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Didn't I make a suggestion about analyzing the oldids and diffs in each week's row and the bot solving the rest of the data? I suggest that it should work on all templates that say {{Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Accomplishments/row}}. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Suggestions about bots are one thing; actually getting anyone to code a bot is something else. Most of our past requests, and all requests since at least 2013, have not resulted in anything. Multiple requests for comparatively simple tasks go completely unanswered, or are archived with no meaningful response. If nobody with the skills and resources to make use a bot wants to do so, then we aren't going to get any bots. - Evad37 [talk] 03:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Convert TAFI nominations page to a general notice board

Notifying: @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] Notifying: @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit]

An idea that would improve both the TAFI project and Wikipedia is to make some adjustments to the TAFI Nominations page that would also allow it to also function as a general noticeboard where people can post articles they would like to see improved. The !voting process could remain in place as it presently exists for the project's weekly selection. I notice that Wikipedia presently does not have any discussion board for general article improvement suggestions and collaboration. It seems that creating such a space would better-enable article improvements.

We have forums such as Articles for deletion and the Article Rescue Squadron project, which deal in articles for deletion, and WikiProject Cleanup, which deals in cleanup matters, but no other general notice board anywhere on Wikipedia where people can post articles for improvement. The Wikipedia:Articles for Improvement page never really gained any traction, so elements of that former project could be incorporated into the TAFI nominations page.

The project name could be changed to Wikipedia:Articles for improvement, omitting the "today's" part, which would facilitate this notion. Links to the newly-formatted page could be placed in various places on Wikipedia to notify people about it and encourage participation.

  • 👍 Like. Support as nominator. NORTH AMERICA1000 22:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with your general sentiments; for the project to continue to successfully improve articles, some things about it's nature must change. I support any well thought out steps taken to streamline the project process, and to promote greater participation. --NickPenguin(contribs) 06:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, I agree on the need for a general noticeboard but I would prefer the TAFI name to still be there. We could always add a link in WP:TAFINOM about general discussion. This is all I would say should be different. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:08, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • A noticeboard would be good, but the nominations page is already comparatively cluttered and it might not be desirable to add complexity as this might desuade people from nominating articles, or even participating in general discussion, if there is any confusion to them about what counts as what. Perhaps Wikipedia:TAFIFC would be a better alternative for such changes? --CSJJ104 (talk) 00:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Interesting ideas, but we should try to figure out why WP:AFI didn't work before, and what we can change about the process – no point making the same mistakes again if we can avoid them - Evad37 [talk] 01:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Evad37: It's likely that WP:AFI didn't function due to a lack of links to it on WikiProject and other pages. Check out what links here for the page. Notice how it's mostly listed on talk pages, rather than WikiProject and Wikipedia namespace pages. Nobody knew about its existence, so it didn't function. NORTH AMERICA1000 02:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Urban Trash at Articles for Improvement
Dear members of the Comics WikiProject. This notification is sent from the Articles for Improvement team to let you know that the article Urban Trash, which has been tagged as part of the project, has been selected to receive a community improvement.

Users and members of the project that are willing to help, may do so in the article's entry on the Articles for Improvement page.

Regards. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:20, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Its a good idea, just like the education program noticeboard, where everything in general, is centralized in one page. However as CSJJ104 stated, the page will be high in volume and will be lengthy as looking at all the current pages for TAFI, all are long and lengthy, so the page will be very cluttered. ///EuroCarGT 03:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I think it's a great idea, It's a shame it failed the first time, Perhaps If it was a similar set up to AFD (Headers, Short reason for wanting it improved) it could work? (With WP:AFI I'm not so keen on everything being a table), All that aside I think it's a great idea :) –Davey2010Talk 04:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Let's get down to work

I think there has been too much focus on the behind-the-scenes aspects of this project, and not enough focus on actually improving articles. It's interesting that those who vote for an article rarely edit it... It makes me wonder of people are choosing the best articles if they don't feel compelled to get involved. TAFI is never going to work unless we collectively improve these core articles. Our successes of the past - Sea, Entertainment, Solar activity - all got to where they are because of the collective ends out of or participants. That was the whole reason we created it in the first place. Please stop all this madness with making the backlog of nominations bigger and bigger and let's hit that "Edit" button.--Coin945 (talk) 03:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

TAFI doesn't even use WP:TAFIFC. Why are they not even using that Further Collaboration page when it is just sitting there like a ghost town? We should convert the Further Collaboration page into an AFI sort of page. 122.59.45.246 (talk) 08:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps expansion into a general noticeboard, while retaining its present features as a place for project collaboration, would be in order. It could work out rather nicely, and also provide Wikipedian's with a general board to post articles for improvement. NORTH AMERICA1000 05:06, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 15 of 2015

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Hello, @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit], @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit]

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 15 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Votes (week 15)

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] Need more votes. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

The results were:

Military base 6
Monarchies in Africa 7
Matilda (novel) 4
Principles of Psychology 0 – will be archived
Eureka (word) 0 – will be archived
Rack and pinion 2 – will be archived
Charlie Brown 0 – will be archived
Infinity 4
History of technology 11 – will be scheduled
Kettle 8

- Evad37 [talk] 00:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 15)

  • The Week 14 slot at TAFI's Schedule has been filled per two articles being scheduled at last week's voting. As such, this discussion pertains to Week 15 of 2015. NORTH AMERICA1000 02:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Oops, I forgot. By the way should we do two votes for this one schedule two nominee articles for this week? Or shan't we? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:40, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I think only one this week – no need to get too far ahead of ourselves - Evad37 [talk] 00:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 14, 2015)

A man garbage picking through a skip (dumpster)
Hello, TAFI.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Garbage picking

Previous selections: Antagonist • Dinner

Get involved with the TAFI project! You can...
Posted by: North America1000 01:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 16, 2015)

A saxophone is an example of an aerophone.
Hello, TAFI.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Aerophone

Previous selections: History of technology • Garbage picking

Get involved with the TAFI project! You can...
Posted by: North America1000 15:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 16 of 2015

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Hello, @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit]

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 15 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. - Evad37 [talk] 00:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Votes (week 16)

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit], @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] Need more votes! Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 16)

They didn't the first time. Maybe the next time? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Do you think this vote thing should delay? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:31, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I feel that we should simply move forward, tallying the votes and scheduling the resulting article as usual. North America1000 12:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Results (week 16)

The results were:

  • Listeria ivanovii – 0, will be archived
  • Puppet – 0, will be archived
  • Lupus erythematosus – 0, will be archived
  • Mitsubishi – 0, will be archived
  • Geographical pole – 8
  • The Persistence of Memory – 0, will be archived
  • Squid (food) – 0, will be archived
  • Aerophone 10 – will be scheduled
  • Sponge (material) – 5
  • Polyglotism – 1, will be archived

– North America1000 13:43, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 17 of 2015

266 147 6 124 237 225 132 291 95 127

– North America1000 13:11, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Articles (week 17)

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Pinging (week 17)

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 13:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 13:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Votes (week 17)

Here are the results...

Even though I did create errors in my processing raw data, Evad37 generously corrected my errors. Thank you all for voting! Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 17)

  • I like your idea with the presentation and way of making us all vote, NorthAmerica1000. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Northamerica1000, it must be time to close, isn't it? I find it difficult to count all those votes. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Vote count check discussion by Qwertyxp2000
  • Check if the votes are true...

Are they true? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
It's better to post results all at once, than leave some with a "?". I'll do it now if you give me some time - Evad37 [talk] 01:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I was trying to record the results. I might have some human error. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I tried a different method. There were 26 voters and 6 possible points, so there should be 156 points all together. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
The total votes had summed up to 156. Any which way, Geography of Niger surely did win. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:11, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I was trying to record the results. I might have some human error. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Well, my point was you don't have to push Save page before it's all there. Anyway, the results I got were (corrected at 02:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC))
  • Keystone species – 16
  • Performance – 8
  • Geography of Niger – 32 – to be scheduled
  • Weapon – 10
  • Chowder – 23
  • Self-image – 2 – to be archived
  • Silent Night – 26
  • Fish slice (kitchen utensil) – 7
  • Visual editor – 11
  • Candy apple – 21
- Evad37 [talk] 02:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
And here's the raw data copied from my excel spreadsheet, which I use for adding up votes (apologies if anyone doesn't like the username abbreviations I used)
Looks like I made a couple of errors, corrected now
Correct processed data
Article Total points AmaryllisG RCSPrinter Atsme GiantSnowman WordSeventeen Presidentman PointsonNoReturn Davey2010 Chamith Newyorkadam Andrew QwertyXP Cas Liber Flat Out Epic Genius EuroCarGT GongShow Anastasia NA1000 Evad37 NickPenguin Iselilja Brandon Tomasdearg92 Horai Susuth
Keystone species 16 3 1 1 3 2 3 3
Performance 8 3 1 1 3
Geography of Niger 32 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 1 2 2 2 1 1
Weapon 10 3 2 3 1 1
Chowder 23 2 3 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2
Self-image 2 2
Silent Night 26 3 3 3 3 1 2 1 3 3 1 3
Fish slice (kitchen utensil) 7 3 1 3
Visual editor 11 3 2 3 1 2
Candy apple 21 1 1 1 2 1 3 3 1 2 2 1 3
It's on my to-do list. North America1000 09:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
When are you going to remove the failed articles? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:14, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
All  Done, at the Holding area per the count totals above. North America1000 09:16, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Ping test

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] Did any of you get this ping? Evad37 [talk] 00:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] Did anyone here get this ping? Evad37 [talk] 00:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Received. --AmaryllisGardener talk 00:27, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Received.Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming - Evad37 [talk] 00:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Received. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:51, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Received.  Gongshow   talk 00:54, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Received it this time. Sometimes when others post the ping list (as opposed to myself, as it seems that Wikipedia:Notifications doesn't ping oneself), it's not received. It seems to be hit and miss with the notifications system. North America1000 01:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
The notifications system is quite finicky because they want to prevent unintended, accidental notifications being sent. There is a maximum of 20 pings that can be sent at once, otherwise none are sent (to prevent mass notifications from accidental transclusions of pages) so {{TAFI ping list|1}} and {{TAFI ping list|2}} HAVE to be saved in separate edits. Each edit has to be signed with ~~~~ , as pings are not sent without signatures. Each edit has to look like a new message (start on a new line) as no pings will be sent if the system thinks you are just editing your previous message. I suspect that there may also be a time factor, so that the two edits might have to be a minute or two apart. - Evad37 [talk] 01:27, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Received..... surprisingly –Davey2010Talk 01:19, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Received. Didn't get pings for the last 3 weeks... ///EuroCarGT 03:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
N.b. For the future, I'm planning on sending weekly voting notices to project members via mass messaging, to complement the pings that may or may not work. North America1000 05:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I had received it, but I forgot to say to you long ago. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, this worked for me. GiantSnowman 12:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 03:06, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Too many nominations!

With the amount of nominations we are getting we're simply created a never-ending backlog, which would be alright if not for the fact that it's also ever-increasing. The result is that once we're at the next round it might have been several years since the article was listed – which may mean the article is already out of scope of TAFI or otherwise inapplicable. We really need to do something about this or TAFI will fail completely. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 10:39, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't see a solution. Other than receiving fewer nominations. Rcsprinter123 (chinwag) @ 15:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
@CFCF: By the way, are there any nominations in the holding area that you reckon should not be there? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
ever-increasing – Well that's just not true. The holding area currently has 320 articles. It had 341 in January 2015 [1], 352 in October 2014 [2], 325 in July 2014 [3], and 323 in March 2014 [4]. I'm not saying we can't do better, but the situation isn't so desperate since the backlog is relatively steady, not ever-increasing. - Evad37 [talk] 23:08, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The TAFI project used to have several articles for improvement selected on a weekly basis, ten at a time, if I'm not mistaken. Hence the word "articles" in the project's name, instead of the singular "article". Rather than limiting nominations, which would set unnecessary restrictions on editor input, an idea is to pick more than one article per week, as existed before.NORTH AMERICA1000 22:20, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
EXCELLENT IDEA!!! Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
On the subject of holding area size, I would point out at least one article, Scottish mythology, appears in the list twice. If TAFI were to adopt a system of having more than one article a week, what steps could\should be taken to create variety in topics? I recall a previous suggestion of having one article per category listed on the nominations page. I feel this might help to retain active members, as there is more likely to be a topic they're interested in week-on-week. If 12 at once is too much, then perhaps related (where possible) topics could be paired together, and each pair alternated? E.g. one week a mathematics article, next week science and technology article. --CSJJ104 (talk) 00:20, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I removed the duplicate entry for Scottish mythology from the holding area page. There is now only one entry for it there. North America1000 17:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 18 of 2015

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307 7 132 255 150 285 5 232 53 239

– Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Articles (week 18)

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications (week 18)

  • Pinging –

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Messaging – Users listed on the Notifications list have been messaged on their talk pages about this week's vote. North America1000 04:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 18)

checkY Ping received. North America1000 04:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Results (week 18)

Here are the results; thank you all for participating - Evad37 [talk] 09:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Article Points Action
Sword dance 9
Home page 14
History of the constellations 7
Hydropower 22 Will be scheduled
Environment of the United States 8
Boil 4
Pepperoni 17
About.com 1 Will be archived
History of music 14
Horror comedy 6

Choose the TAFI article for Week 19 of 2015

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Articles (week 19)

The following ten articles have been randomly selected from the Holding area:

Notifications (week 19)

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] - Evad37 [talk] 09:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] - Evad37 [talk] 09:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 19)

Results (week 19)

Below are the results for week 19. North America1000 03:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Article Points Action
Approximation 0 Archived
Cosmology 3 Archived
Home appliance 24 Scheduled checkY
Chalk 14 Remains in holding area
Candy apple 13 Remains in holding area
Hobby 10 Remains in holding area
Lifesaving 10 Remains in holding area
Legislator 6 Remains in holding area
Crème brûlée 10 Remains in holding area
Induction loop 0 Archived

This week's article for improvement (week 17, 2015)

A satellite image demonstrating the Geography of Niger
Hello, TAFI.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Geography of Niger

Previous selections: Aerophone • History of technology

Get involved with the TAFI project! You can...

Posted by: North America1000 03:50, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 20 of 2015

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

72 12 298 306 190 179 43 101 66 299

Articles (week 20)

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications (week 20)

  • Pinging –

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 04:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 04:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 20)

Results (week 20)

Results for week 20. North America1000 00:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Article Points Action
420 (cannabis culture) 3 Archived
Pig Latin 5 Remains in holding area
Musician 9 Remains in holding area
Types of chocolate 9 Remains in holding area
Kayaking 18 Remains in holding area
Rye 6 Remains in holding area
Court 12 Remains in holding area
Food industry 25 Scheduled checkY
Ear 3 Archived
Western philosophy 0 Archived

Choose the TAFI article for Week 22 of 2015

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

279 83 203 302 89 107 115 218 158 82

Articles

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 04:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 04:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 22)

Results (week 22)

Article Points Action
Car wash 28 Scheduled
Food photography 20 (tie) Scheduled
Personality 20 (tie) Scheduled
Types of chocolate 37 Scheduled
Visual editor 26 Scheduled
Jumbotron 9 Retained in Holding area
Kebab 12 Retained in Holding area
Career 2 Archived
Sports equipment 12 Retained in Holding area
Greater Antilles 25 Scheduled

Next week

So, for next week, should we switch over to voting on nominated articles instead of holding area articles? If so, we should stop the archiving of nominations, adjust the instructions there accordingly, and nominate some more articles. - Evad37 [talk] 04:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe not at this time. The nominations page is quite sparse, with only six valid entries at this time (not including unapproved ones still on the list). It may be better to continue voting here for five a week based upon the holding area list. We're receiving nice input with the current system, but interest may wane if there are only six entries, and potentially even less, for people to choose from. North America1000 08:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 21 of 2015

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Articles (week 21)

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications (week 21)

  • Pinging –

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 00:34, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 00:34, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments (week 21)

Results (week 21)

Results for week 21. North America1000 04:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Article Points Action
Venice International Film Festival 6 Retained in Holding area
History of pharmacy 5 Retained in Holding area
History of East Asia 11 Retained in Holding area
Human geography 4 Retained in Holding area
Fashion accessory 11 Retained in Holding area
Polar ice cap 18 Scheduled
Regalia 3 Archived
Sport 7 Retained in Holding area
Hoax 13 Retained in Holding area
Deep frying 18 Scheduled

New project proposals

  • Proposal – We presently have 308 entries in the Holding area, which equates to a backlog of over five years of articles under the present system of scheduling only one article per week (when not including entries that are archived). I propose that we boldly begin to schedule the top five articles per week starting this week, which would reduce the backlog to approximately 1.18 years (again, when not including entries that are archived). By creating a pool of weekly articles, it's also hopeful that having a variety to choose from will appeal to a greater amount of editors. North America1000 00:54, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as per North America's suggestion of the top five articles for each week. Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as nominator. North America1000 01:06, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom - Sounds a great idea :) –Davey2010Talk 01:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. I'm slightly concerned that five may be too many as it might divide attention between the articles, perhaps three would still allow more focus to be give to particular articles while letting the project work through the backlog faster. Just my two cents. Winner 42 Talk to me! 01:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Epic Genius (talk) 01:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I am also concerned that five would be too many at once – the main purpose of TAFI should be to actually improve these articles, not just to get through the list in the holding area. I would support trying multiple articles each week to see what happens, but I think 3 would be a better number - Evad37 [talk] 01:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi Evad37 and Winner 42: I had actually considered three, but this would equate to a two year backlog (not counting archived entries). While I agree that article improvement is what it's all about, I feel that five per week can still accomplish this. Reasons include that people will naturally gravitate to articles they like, which will hopefully result in more overall article improvements, and that reducing the backlog will keep the project flowing more smoothly. North America1000 02:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Given the size of Wikipedia compared to the number of featured and good articles, there is always going to be a backlog of articles needing improvement, whether enumerated in our holding area or not. Having a large list to schedule from isn't really a problem (WP:NODEADLINE), but I am willing to see how having extra articles each week goes. I guess I just remember when we had 10 articles per week and some didn't really get many more edits than adding and removing the TAFI banner. But like I said, I would be willing to give it a try and see how it goes. - Evad37 [talk] 02:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Addendum: Since voting under the three-choice system has already begun, the shift to five as per the above would have to begin next week, with instructions that people indicate their top five choices. Statistically, the present three choices system isn't functional for a five-per-week voting process. North America1000 03:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Another idea (in addition to the above) – I haven't quite worked out the details, but the idea would be to focus the weekly !voting around nominations, perhaps a subset of 10 or so. The holding area would just be for holding selected articles, which could then be scheduled – perhaps randomly, or in order, or some combination (eg. 1 or 2 from the top of the list, plus the rest for that week via random selection). That would help sustain activity in the nominations area, and the project can be streamlined by only voting/commenting on articles just once, at the nomination stage, rather than again to progress them from the holding area. - Evad37 [talk] 02:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Evad37: This type of thing could be quite functional. Under this scenario, I would be for scheduling ten articles weekly, all of which would be done randomly. After that, they would be archived. Coordinating the weekly vote on the nomination page instead of on this talk page would be rather easy to perform. I also like the notion of articles being voted upon once, rather than recurringly for those that are archived. North America1000 02:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • The above (ten per week) would also reduce the present backlog in the holding area to 6 months, and would shift the project's focus to the nominations page. More focus on the nom page would be beneficial to keep the project moving along, in my opinion. North America1000 02:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I think it would be better to start off with 5 per week, which was generally supported above, and then review it after six to eight weeks to see whether we should it should increase, decrease, or stay the same - Evad37 [talk] 02:43, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Pinging editors who commented above: @WordSeventeen, Davey2010, Winner 42, and Epicgenius: - Evad37 [talk] 09:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Support - Five. . Buster Seven Talk 09:57, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Another idea - maybe every month we do a talk page proposal of which articles to remove from the Holding Area due to the fact that either they are already developed enough, or others, like the other talk page proposal in the talk page archive. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 23 of 2015

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Articles

Per the random numbers above, relative to numerically-listed entries at the Holding area

Notifications

  • Pinging –

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] North America1000 09:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] North America1000 09:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Votes and comments

  • I have updated {{TAFI vote five choices}} to state "Listings with 5 points or fewer are archived", which makes sense since we're now voting for five entries. This seems to be statistically sound, but I could be incorrect. North America1000 09:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Results (week 23)

Article Points Action
Buggy (automobile) 17 Scheduled
Jack-o'-lantern 5 Archived
Pepperoni 17 Scheduled
Bachelor of Social Science 1 Archived
Australian Aboriginal sacred sites 17 Scheduled
Chalk 13 Remains in holding area
Historic house 7 Remains in holding area
Firefighting 15 Remains in holding area
Paparazzi 22 Scheduled
Atmosphere 18 Scheduled

Update

@Evad37 and Northamerica1000: Have you updated the archive to show the changes to the way for schedule archival? This is pretty high priority too. (But highest priority of all is the improvement of aritcles) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius [ping list 2 of 2: edit] Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Please just answer how to change how to change the schedule archival. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

  • The coding appears to have been last updated on 5 December 2014 (link.) Is this query about the new five-per-week (articles) format? North America1000 06:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I had made an attempt. Please help me fix whatever attempts I did. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
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