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Ontario Highway 427[edit]

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Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
Nominator's comments: Always good for a last week Highway cup scramble, I present Highway 427, the second busiest highway in Canada after the 401 and one of only a handful with an extensive 12-14 lane collector-express system. Not a long highway, but certainly a beast :)
Nominated by: Floydian τ ¢ 03:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First comment occurred: 03:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Review by Dough4872[edit]

Review by Dough4872

I will review this article. Dough4872 03:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

  1. The sentence "King's Highway 427 (pronounced "four twenty-seven"), also known as Highway 427 and colloquially as the 427, is a 400-series highway in the Canadian province of Ontario that connects the Queen Elizabeth Way (QEW) and Gardiner Expressway with York Regional Road 7, formerly Highway 7, with an arterial extension continuing 800 metres (2,600 ft) north to Zenway Boulevard, known as York Regional Road 99." is very wordy and needs to be split.
  2. "It is Ontario's second busiest freeway by volume and third busiest in North America", what are the two busier freeways?
  3. In the last sentence of the lead, what is it with the places in parentheses after the other place names?
  4. "The highway weaves through a complicated interchanges" does not sound right. Is this just one interchange or multiple interchanges? If just one, "interchange" should be singular. If more than one, "a" should be dropped.
  5. "Transfers provide a second and final opportunity to cross from express to collector lanes, or vice versa, south of a complicated 1.56 square kilometres (0.60 sq mi) interchange.", what road is this interchange with?
  6. I don't get what "the first and last feature interchanges." is supposed to mean. What are "feature interchanges"?
  7. In the last paragraph of the route description, you use "bends slightly" in two consecutive sentences. One of these instances should be changed.
  8. What is the present route number of the Toronto Bypass near Yonge Street? This is not specifically mentioned.
  9. Was 1955 when the Toronto Bypass near Yonge Street and the four-laning of Highway 27 was complete? This should be made clearer.
  10. When was the widening of Highway 27 into a collector-express route completed? No date is given. Dough4872 00:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Fixed
  2. Added, also cleaned up the bare url citation
  3. Short answer: large neighbourhoods that those portions of those cities are commonly referred by. Long answer: in many parts of the GTA, the suburbs swallowed villages and towns that existed long before. Those parts within the larger municipalities we have today are still referred to by those names and remain legitimate postal destinations. Etobicoke, Mississauga and Vaughan are all massive municipalities, and as a result people will refer to the old names, though today they are legally just neighbourhoods. What the article is mentioning is that Malton is the northern part of Mississauga near the highway, ditto Rexdale on the Etobicoke side, and Woodbridge for the southwestern part of Vaughan.
  4. Typo, fixed
  5. Added, also switched the conversion to adjective form to make it "1.56 kilometre"
  6. It means interchanges with Rexdale and Finch, the first and last in the list feature interchanges. I've reworded this since it's confusing.
  7. Not sure what happened there, that's the same info presented in two ways. I've merged the two sentences together.
  8. It does mention "A significant portion of this bypass was designed to be incorporated into the Transprovincial Highway, now Highway 401"; not sure how I can incorporate it here without a lot of rewriting.
  9. The full Toronto Bypass (which was 27 and 401) was open in August 1956, so I fixed that date and tried rewording the sentence to make it apparent that the Toronto bypass was Highway 27 and Highway 401.
  10. I don't have an actual date for the other parts of the route, but I know that when the 401/427 interchange was completed, the other construction projects were long completed. I've added a mention of this.
I did these fixes over several days and browser restarts, so I may have missed a fix or two... be sure to double check. Merci pour la review! - Floydian τ ¢ 08:30, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Issue 4 ("The highway weaves through a complicated interchanges") has not been addressed yet. Also, regarding issue 8, I would make mention of Highway 401 like this: "Construction of the Toronto Bypass began near Yonge Street in 1949 (along present-day Highway 401) and on the four-laning of Highway 27 in 1953." Dough4872 00:25, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done and done :) - Floydian τ ¢ 04:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article looks good. Dough4872 04:12, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image review by Evad37[edit]

- Evad37 [talk] 02:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Regarding the not sure, Canada Crown copyright doesn't require publication, and thekingshighway.ca tries to claim that all their photos are copyright regardless (we're the competition after all hehehe) - Floydian τ ¢ 02:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand that websites may claim copyright on everything, including images which are clearly public domain - state libraries in Australia do the same thing. But that's not really issue - if we want to use the image on Wikipedia, we have to show that it is PD, suitably licensed, or have a valid fair use rational. While copyright protection wouldn't require publication, to be PD, the photo would have to be published before 1964, would it not? [1] claims (under section 5. Government Publications) that an unpublished work does not fall into Public Domain. Copyright law of Canada#Public_domain (referenced to the copyright act) and {{PD-Canada}} also specifically include the phrase "after publication". Or am I missing something? - Evad37 [talk] 02:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess Wikipedia is out of date or someone misread. the government claims that "It lasts until the end of 50 years after the year of creation." Combined with the OTRS ticket I acquired from the government earlier this year, once crown copyright expires the item enters the public domain as far as the government is concerned. I've updated the PD Canada crown template accordingly. - Floydian τ ¢ 18:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, thanks for that. All good now. - Evad37 [talk] 01:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Rschen7754[edit]

Resolved issues

I plan to review this article, though it may be a day or two. --Rschen7754 05:24, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Initial impressions
  • Map needs a caption, and some labels.
  • Lead needs more on the history.
  • Why is the history section using inline headers?
  • CS1 error in the references.
  • All done/fixed, except cs1; I figured given the shortness of the History section that the inline headers were more suited. I've just added a TOC limit template to accomplish the same thing. As for the cs1 error... I'm putting my foot down now. Nothing regarding my fellow road editors, but some dink messed up when these citation templates were upgraded, resulting in what is now - several months after the fact - still over 5000 affected articles. The undiscussed workarounds just don't fly by me, and the template needs to be fixed to remedy what was a simple situation for at least half a decade. If this will withhold support, then I will withdraw my nomination until the issue is fixed or the people who caused it create a remedy. I've started an RfC regarding this.[2] I feel this way about the date issue as well, as the maps have 1980/81 printed on them in some cases but 1979–80 in others... but that one I can drop and walk away from (grumbling). - Floydian τ ¢ 21:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This should be fine for ACR; I'd just make sure the issue is resolved by FAC. --Rschen7754 02:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
RD
  • AADT should be linked, and not capitalized.
  • Brown's Line should be linked.
  • As should at-grade...
  • four lane - should be hyphenated
  • becomes displaced - by what?
    • Now "to the west" is repeated twice in the same sentence. --Rschen7754 02:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pearson Airport - link?
  • the first and last interchange with the route - dependent clause
  • IIRC, four lane should only be four-laned, not four-lane. As for Pearson, it's got a link in the lede. All others are fixed - Floydian τ ¢ 21:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
History
  • "initially" - starting from when?
  • It seems a bit vague on the details on the early road. I have no problem with relegating most of the Highway 27 details to an article on Highway 27, but I don't see a link to that article...
  • the largest interchange in Canada - not an independent clause
  • For the third busiest freeway in North America... I just get the feeling that there would be more said about it in newspapers, maybe even books. Are you sure there's nothing else out there? --Rschen7754 01:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed the first three. Regarding the last, I'd think so as well. However, there aren't really any reliable "lists of the busiest highways in North America". I'm not too strongly attached to this tidbit, but I also haven't found anything to counter-claim the crappy source I've tied on the article. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I mean that there would be more written about the highway in general. --Rschen7754 01:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess with the 401 and QEW at either end, the 427 is the forgotten middle child :) I've checked books, reports, and newspapers but even something like the day it was numbered isn't fully certain to me. - Floydian τ ¢ 04:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suspending after 1 month with no replies; it can be readded following the usual procedure, though if the 1 ACR at a time per nominator limit passes then this will need to wait until the other ACR has passed. --Rschen7754 05:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Should this nomination be reactivated, this will need a source review to pass ACR, and my comments to be addressed. --Rschen7754 04:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reactivating and working on these fixes at this moment. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed the doubling up issue. Not sure where you want labels... none of the other Ontario FAs have a legend. Are you looking for labels ON the map, in the caption, or in the image summary? - Floydian τ ¢ 16:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usually on the map, indicating a few cities, or the lakes, or some other point of reference. It can usually be done in Inkscape. --Rschen7754 16:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not going to let this hold up the nomination, though I think the labels should still be added. Support. --Rschen7754 22:54, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Rschen7754[edit]

Please bear with me as this is my first source review ever.

  • I would suggest using {{reflist|30em}} as there is a lot of wasted space.
  • Source 6 is a bare URL.
  • For citations like 8 and 10, consider linking to the citation at the bottom.
  • Compare source 29 versus source 30 - can the ISSN be added?

Otherwise I don't see any issues. --Rschen7754 17:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All done and definitely agreed on that first one. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Source 14 should have a link to the bottom citation too. Also, for cite map, the author= field should be filled out, even if it is just a repeat of the publisher. --Rschen7754 00:30, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done and done. - Floydian τ ¢ 02:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Done and ready for close. --Rschen7754 02:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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