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"Alexander American University" If i don't have many referral links to my website? then what should i do to create wiki page?

We have created a page called Alexander American University. We wanted to provide some information regarding this university to students. To submit it doesn't have many referral links. It is new. What should i do to create wiki page? Give us valuable suggestions. Venkatg889 (talk) 05:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Venkatg889. Your draft at User:Venkatg889/sandbox is written like an advert for the school, rather than a neutral encyclopedia article. Everything in the article should be based on what reliable sources say about the subject. Please see Wikipedia:Your first article for some tips about writing an article for the first time. Cordless Larry (talk) 05:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Your sandbox draft starts with overtly promotional language such as "being unique in itself emerges to serve the society by educating the determined, Intellectual and ambitious youth of today in the field of medicine who in turn will serve mankind". This type of advertising language belongs in a recruiting brochure, not in an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia articles must be written from the neutral point of view. A properly written Wikipedia article summarizes what independent, reliable sources say about the topic. Your draft article lacks such sources. Please read and study Your first article and completely rewrite your draft based on what you learn there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
The article also lacks context. It reports that "AAU wants to create a warm and a friendly atmosphere to the students in the capital Georgetown". Which Georgetown is that? There are several. What country is the institution based in? Moreover, that wording and other bits such as "We at Alexander American University...", as well as not being encyclopedic, suggest that you might have a relationship with the institution, Venkatg889. If so, please read and follow the advice at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Venkatg889. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is for. "to provide some information ... to students" is promotional, but this is an encyclopaedia. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what the university (or any other subject) says about itself, whether in it website, in press releases, in interviews - or writing articles. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the university have published about it in reliable places, and an article about it should be based almost 100% on such sources. --ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

How do you attach a Microsoft Word Document to a Wikipedia talk page?

How do you attach a Microsoft Word Document to a Wikipedia talk page? Gordon410 (talk) 12:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gordon410, you don't. Why would you want to to that? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
@Roger: I want to attach a document of a paper I wrote that is relevant to the discussion on the talk page. Gordon410 (talk) 12:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
It is probably best to upload it elsewhere and provide a link to it in the discussion on the talk page, Gordon410. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

How do you message another editor?

How do you personal message another editor? Gordon410 (talk) 12:10, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Gordon410, and welcome to the Teahouse. Every editor has a talk page. Yours is at User talk:Gordon410, mine is at User talk:Cordless Larry, etc. That's the place to leave a message for another editor. Remember that new comments go at the bottom of talk pages, unlike here at the Teahouse where they get posted at the top. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:31, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Gordon410 (talk) 12:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
It is also possible to e-mail some editors, if they have enabled that feature, Gordon410. See Wikipedia:Emailing users. However, in the interests of transparency I would suggest using talk pages unless there is a good and legitimate reason not to do so. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:37, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

MISS NAMED AMERICAN HERO

WHY IS THE ARTICLE ON MARINE SNIPPER CARLOS HATHCOCK MISS NAMED ADDELBERT WALDRON?2604:2000:B08D:FE00:49D7:C8CE:5FB2:397E (talk) 04:31, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

They aren't. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 04:36, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Our article Carlos Hathcock includes no mention of another American sniper, Adelbert Waldron. Both are notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
If you still think there is a problem then please give a link to the page where you see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Also, please don't SHOUT. I very much doubt that anyone who is editing Wikipedia today has a keyboard that isn't capable of typing mixed case. Use it. Yes, it is work, but no more than typing is. Upper case only is universally considered SHOUTING on the Internet, and, in fact, is often ignored. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

My Wikipedia

I need the basic help of creating a page for this actress and model — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brifans (talk • contribs) 19:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Brifans. I suggest that you consult Wikipedia:Your first article. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Although if this is about Briana Roy, then please take into account the messages posted on your user talk page regarding your previous attempts to create this article. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Beginning

What are good things to do to get your feet wet inside Wikipedia? Tuomoseppanen (talk) 19:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi Tuomoseppanen and welcome to Wikipedia, depends what interests you...
If you want to learn the basics Play The Wikipedia Adventure
You can join a wiki project in an area you know/love Wikipedia:WikiProject
You could start anti-vandalism work by checking the recent changes Special:RecentChanges (also see Wikipedia:Vandalism)
Once you gain some knowledge you can pass it on by answering questions here or other places such as Wikipedia:Help desk or Category:Wikipedians looking for help
You can find other maintenance categories in Category:Wikipedia backlog and get fixing (I found Category:Articles with missing files with 12,000 entries and 100+ a day new that kept me busy for a couple of years)
Hit the Random link on the left menu and see if you can improve
Create new articles via Wikipedia:Articles for creation - see Wikipedia:Your first article
Oh look at Wikipedia:Community portal
  • Probably lots more but hopefully that should give you a few pointers :) All the best KylieTastic (talk) 21:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Infobox error

Dear all!

when I try to edit Kohat the following warning appears, in red.

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox settlement with unknown parameter "1" (this message is shown only in preview).

can anybody please fix this issue?

Finnusertop i need again your help.

Best regards

Aftab Banoori (Talk) 16:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

At first glance this looks like an error in the relevant module which produces the error message. I have raised the question at Module talk:Check for unknown parameters#False positive. I have taken the liberty of modifying your question to include a wikilink to the relevant article. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
There was a parameter that was missing the = sign between the parameter name and its value. I fixed it. Not a bug in the module. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:32, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Dear David Biddulph & Jonesey95

I am extremely grateful for your help
best wishes
Aftab Banoori (Talk) 08:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

new article submission

Hej there,

I have just created an article about a LED company, the first and the biggest LED distribitor in Denmark. My question is how do i submit it for revision and approval processes ? Thanks in advanced for the help! Ina Matronics (talk) 06:22, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ina Matronics , you simply add "{{subst:submit}}" including the double curly braces, to the top of the page. That will enter it into the queue for review. However as your username implies that you work for the company you are required to properly declare your conflict of interest by following the instructions at WP:COIPAYDISCLOSE. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

when the earth was found?

122.161.244.108 (talk) 14:32, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that the question can be answered, but you might get a better explanation of why it can't be answered at the Science Reference Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I have a few template messages up.

Hi everyone,

I created a Wikipedia page for my boss, Zahra Noorbakhsh, with her full authority and permission. I got the template message for adding additional sources. I have 15 at the moment. Should I add more? What are some other changes you think I should make?

The page is here: Zahra Noorbakhsh

Hannah Alkadi (talk) 21:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

You have a conflict of interest. Please provide the conflict of interest disclosure and, if necessary, the paid editing disclosure. The basic change that you should make is to stop editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:17, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
However, since you have already created the article, you must still make the conflict of interest disclosure and, if necessary, the paid editing disclosure, if you want the privilege of editing anywhere else in Wikipedia, because if you don't, you are likely to be blocked. Go ahead and make the disclosure. You are welcome to add sources and information on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Account

Hello Editor,,

I created account here (Wikipedia) three weeks ago. Up until date, my account is still incomplete. I uploaded my photo on the day the account was created, but my picture is not on my profile yet. My initial article was deleted. Is it the reason why my account is still incomplete? Please I want my profile to be complete. If there is anything lacking let me know so that I can do it.

Thank you. RobertNwad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertNwad (talk • contribs) 02:28, 22 June 2016‎ (UTC)

Hello, RobertNwad, and welcome to the Teahouse. By account and "profile", are you referring to your user page? If so, I see no evidence that you ever created User:RobertNwad or uploaded an image. Edits and uploads are instant. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I replied at Wikipedia:Help desk#New account four days ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
It seems that you created a draft article that was speedy-deleted as advertising. Other than that, the only involvement that you have had with Wikipedia seems to be to ask this question in two places. What do you mean by wanting your profile to be complete, anyway? You may have a misunderstanding of what the purpose of Wikipedia is. I have posted a long welcome message to you with links to many policies and guidelines. However, Wikipedia is not a social network and is not a directory, and does not have "profiles" in the usual sense, and is not for advertising. If you have any questions, please ask them. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Draft:VeryApt

User:Dodger67 and I both reviewed Draft:VeryApt and declined it as reading like an advertisement. I then received this message from User:Alishaj98:

Hi Robert, I created the article about the company VeryApt. I closely reviewed all the wikipedia guidelines on NPOV and only wrote facts about the company in timeline format. I'm wondering why it is still considered to be an advertisement and how to fix it.

First, I would appreciate comments from other experienced editors as to whether they think that it reads like an advertisement. I agree that it is less promotional than some drafts that I decline as reading like advertisements.

Second, and this isn’t directly related to the question, and so is a little off the original topic, is it an advertisement, in the sense of being originated by the company? Does the author, Alishaj98, have a connection with the company? (Maybe I have been reviewing at AFC too long, but when I see a new editor edit one article only, I wonder if they are being paid and haven’t made the conflict of interest disclosure and/or the paid editing disclosure.) Robert McClenon (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Caught between differing reasons for decline

Hi there, I have spent hours reading the help/FAQs/style/sources/neutrality pages, and at this point would be enormously, immensely grateful for specific advice on exactly which parts of the article integrated landscape management need to change for this to be accepted. Happily, I do not need help with notability :-)

Both reviews mention the sources in the decline, but these are overwhelmingly peer-reviewed articles, many of which are secondary analyses of primary work (the others mainly support notability, showing take-up by intergovernmental bodies and international organisations). The second decline also says there must be no original thought (I can assure you, there is none, all I am attempting to do is summarise the published sources). In good faith I am doing all I can to be encyclopedic, and at this point do not know which bits are left that are still not in the correct tone.

I feel a bit trapped between the two sets of reviews: the first decline said I had to avoid using bullet points, outline form or being a how-to guide, and use paragraphs instead; having made changes, these issues no longer cause a problem for the second review, but it now says it reads too much like an essay. Similarly, the first review said I had to explain better why the topic is important (while being more neutral), but despite taking out anything remotely like puffery or peacock terms, the second decline still says it needs to be more neutral - I do not know what more I can do to be more neutral, without losing the changes I made in order to explain the topic’s importance.

I know you are very busy, but at this point I am truly stuck without a much clearer idea of just which bits of this need to change. Pathetically huge thanks for any help!! Hazel Gough (talk) 13:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

The result of integrated landscape management?
This is about Draft:Integrated landscape management. My own comment is that, after reading the draft, I have little idea what it is about. The opening sentence tells me what integrated landscape management involves, but not what it is. For example: if an 18th-century European nobleman, living in his private park and owning and drawing rents from all the nearby farms, arranges things so as to improve the views and the hunting, is he doing "integrated landscape management"? I really have no idea, and the article does nothing to tell me. Maproom (talk) 14:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
@Hazel Gough: Greetings and Welcome to the Teahouse! While I am no expert on this topic, I did update this article draft with copy-edits, particularly, remove "Introduction" section as that title is not needed there. The start of the article is the WP:Lead section and generally follows a standard format, with a max of 4 summary paragraphs. Also, I did try to simplify some of the section first sentences. It is important for our general Wikipedia reader to see at-a-glance a short explanation of each section's content that follows.
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks ::@Maproom: and ::@JoeHebda:. I will have a little think and address your very sensible points. (Oh dear Maproom, I'm sorry it's still so dense!) While I don't doubt this will improve the article, the points you raise aren't the same as the reasons for decline i.e. sources, neutrality, encyclopedic/essay tone. So I could still really do with some help on how to address those specific reasons for decline, as I would dearly love for this to be accepted next time around.

(BTW, I have struggled to come up with a clearer way of introducing the thing, as there are so many competing definitions out there, and no doubt their proliferation is due in part to the inadequacy of preceeding defintions, but I will most certainly see what better description there is, to set that 18th century nobleman straight.)Hazel Gough (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again @Maproom: and @JoeHebda: for your suggestions. I have edited the article to try to make it clearer (i.e. the nobleman question) and especially to improve the lead section (very helpful link, thank you). I'll resubmit the article later today - but if you have time to take yet another look, and if you see anything that still leaves a reason for decline, it would be really wonderfil if you could please let me know. I'm a bit nervous about it still, as I'm not 100% sure that the changes to address your comments necessarily address the reviewer's reason for decline, but hopefully it will scrape through!!

Also, thanks for making some edits - I confess I only just realised these had happened, so am not sure whether any might have suffered in my general re-editing and review of the thing. And @Maproom: thanks for the 'See also' list: I deleted one that was less relevant and added some that are more relevant. Hopefully the improvements to the article will better explain why... Hazel Gough (talk) 12:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hazel Gough: I've made some minor copyedits to the draft, but I don't think I've touched the 'See also' list. The draft is hard to understand because it uses familiar words, e.g. "silo", in unfamiliar senses, without explanation. "Landscape" may be another such word, I really don't know what it means in the draft. "Watershed" I figured out, as being used in what is, for me, not its most familiar sense; I tried to clarify this with a wikilink. Maproom (talk) 12:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again @Maproom:. I've tried to explain 'silo' a bit better, replaced that reference to 'watershed' entirely, and added an explanantion of 'landscape' (though in this case, landscape is being used in more or less the normal way - it's just intrinsically hard to define and adding 'heterogenous geographic area' might only be of marginal assistance!!). Anyway, I've attempted to address your comments, JoeHebda's, and tried to do something to respond to the previous reviewer, though as per my original tearoom post, I'm a bit unsure what exactly to do there. I've resubmitted it so we'll just see what happens. Any more tips while it awaits rereview would of course be warmly welcomed, either from you, other tearoom helpers, or @LaMona:, who did the last review...Hazel Gough (talk) 14:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

So the "landscape" of the article and its references is what many people would call "land", as in land use. Maproom (talk) 16:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved it out of draft space to article space. Sorry if I stepped on reviewers' toes - if they feel I was being too bold, they could undo it. It's not perfect - a little jargon-y and too much bolding - but then many or most articles on WP are imperfect. Plenty of references. Novickas (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

It could use some improvement, but most articles here do. Specifically, there's too much bolding and some jargon - politically active people are used to seeing the word stakeholders, but it could be rewritten along the lines of "landowners and land users." To my mind, the United Nations Environment Programme article [1] and the 40-some book refs for this term [2] make it notable. Novickas (talk) 19:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Finding clean-up pages?

Is there any easy way to find pages that are in need of copy editing? SteelPanMan (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes. There is Category:Wikipedia pages needing cleanup. I recommend starting from October 2007(!) In seriousness though, if you'd like a slightly more manageable task you can join Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors - GOCE do a lot of fantastic work and have regular copyediting drives with a few articles you can focus on. Intelligentsium 00:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I found good advice on finding articles you are interested in at GOCE here - you may be interested in the copyediting "blitzes" the project offers as well. Intelligentsium 00:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Greetings SteelPanMan – Another place to look for articles is at the Community portal, Help out section. The grid there shows nine different types of updates on a variety of articles, and that page is frequently updated. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 16:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for visiting the Teahouse, you are always welcome here. If you have a special interest in certain topics and want to specifically copy edit articles that interest you, you can visit Project Pages. These pages represent groups of editors who work together to improve articles. See a listing of Projects here.
  Bfpage |leave a message  19:54, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Help!

I already have different sources pointing at an article I've just created but the warning hasn't disappeared yet. Can anyone help me? The article is here. Joaofgaguiar (talk) 10:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Joaofgaguiar, and welcome to the Teahouse. Those warning templates are added and removed manually. If you look closely, you'll see a link called Learn how and when to remove these template messages. I suggest clicking on that. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, thank you! I don't know if it'd good to delete the template because the page is considered for deletation. I already posted a comment on the proper deletation page to justify the reliability of the created page and nobody answered. how can I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaofgaguiar (talk • contribs) 17:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

It's nice to see you asking questions here in the Teahouse. It is not possible to remove the template that states that the article is being considered for speedy deletion. Someone will respond to your question on the page where you left your message. Can you tell me the name of the article that is being proposed for speedy deletion?
  Bfpage |leave a message  20:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I took a look at the discussion that is taking place concerning the deletion of your article. I am sad to say that I agree with the other editors who have comments there. Independent sources, unrelated to the company, must be used to support the content in the article. These sources would be magazines, news stories and other sources that are not part of the company. I couldn't find any to help you out. Perhaps, some time in the future when a newspaper or magazine writes a story about your company it might be considered a notable topic, but that is not the case at this time. I am sorry. Best Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  20:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Help

How can I insert images and visual effects on my user page ?100 lion (talk) 10:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

100 lion, I recommend you start doing the thing we are here for, which is to create an encyclopaedia. When you have made a few hundred useful edits to articles, then you can start spending time starting up your user page. --ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
100 lion thank you for visiting the Teahouse to ask your question. I am sure other editors have a similar question and are glad that you asked it here. I was just like you! I wanted to have a great looking user page. But then I found that it was using up too much of my time and so I went back to adding content to the encyclopedia. The way I found out how to make a user page that I liked was looking at the user pages of other editors, especially the ones that I admired. So take your time, and improve your talk page over time with some of the same things you see on other talk pages. If you want to add images, they must not be copyrighted, you actually can go to a different website called Wikipedia Commons. The images you upload could end up being very valuable in improving other articles. Some newer editors like you add images to improve the encyclopedia articles. Good luck and Best Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  20:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I am not code savvy so the way I brightened up my user page and talk page was actually by copying code from other editor's pages when I saw something I liked. I then left a courtesy "thanks". This is sometimes a very frustrating approach because of of my lack of coding experience here a single character can have major influences. ColinFine is correct in some ways. If you focus on editing articles for a while, you will pick up on the way that coding works on here, and in browsing around, you will see what other editors have done. Have a happy WP experience. DrChrissy (talk) 20:34, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Would like some help moving a page and updating the logo. This is for a texas law school that just changed names. Brentkhiggins (talk) 20:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Polio Survivors Update

I need to update the page on List of Poliomyelitis Survivors. There is a brand new article that states why FDR did have Poliomyelitis, not Guillain Barre syndrome. I just need to know how to include this new, and better information. I am so new to this, any help would be appreciated. Thank you! Franklin Delano Roosevelt: The Diagnosis of Poliomyelitis Revisted: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.pmrj.2016.05.003

OB93 (talk) 01:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, OB93. That is an excellent source that you have discovered, and I agree with the point you are making. Back in 2010, another editor posted at Talk:List of poliomyelitis survivors, making the same point. My suggestion to you is to edit boldly, and move FDR from the people with doubtful diagnoses to the section listing people with confirmed diagnoses. Comment at that talk page as well. Include that article as a reference. See Rererencing for beginners for how to format a reference. It is tricky the first time you do it, but quickly becomes second nature if you stick around as a Wikipedia editor. And I hope that you will do so. You can use use the same reference in the appropriate place at Franklin D. Roosevelt as well, and other relevant articles. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. I will try to do that edit as I do think it is the best information and needs to be updated.OB93 (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

German translated, and unsure if correct English reference?

Hi everyone! I have an issue regarding an article I'm trying to edit, Gerolstein. It has a reference to Stadtteile, (this is an article that is from German Wikipedia) regarding the place, which if I click it, it transfers me to the article for "Village". However, if I find the article Ortsteil itself on German Wikipedia and click the English version, I am lead to Quarter_(urban_subdivision) (Quarter (Urban Subdivision)). Quarter sounds much more correct in this case but I don't know a lick of German and don't have a clue. How should I approach this? Thanks to anyone in advance for help! --TheMusicGirl (talk) 03:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Is this footnote a mistake, or does it mean something specific?

I noticed this footnote: [2]:24 in the second paragraph of Hard bop. The reference is a book:

Rosenthal, David H. (1992), Hard Bop: Jazz and Black Music 1955-1965 , New York: Oxford Univ., ISBN 0-19-505869-0

I am thinking that perhaps it means "page 24 in the referenced book." Is that accurate? And, if so, is this an acceptable footnote style?

Many thanks,

Mark - Mark D Worthen PsyD 02:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Markworthen. Template:Rp was used for that particular citation. This template can be used when multiple pages from the same reliable source are cited at various points in the same article. I've used it before and as far I am aware it's usage has not been deprecated on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much Marchjuly. I like the reference as it provides an economical way to direct the user to the precise location of the information, without having to create a separate reference for each page in a text. Kudos to the template authors. :O) Mark D Worthen PsyD 06:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Another option Markworthen which some editors prefer is to use shortened footnotes using Template:Sfn or Template:Harv. I used these before as well and they both work OK. Before you make any changes to the article's citation style, however, you should read WP:CITEVAR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

My article Earth April got a speed deletion tag,Who can review my contest

I responded the tag on the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Earth_April I am just wondering where can I find someone to review my response and remove the tag.Fn2gf3431 (talk) 03:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Fn2gf3431. It is not enough for you to assert that this group and its projects are notable. You need to prove it by providing references to significant coverage of the group in reliable, independent sources. At this time, the sources in the article are not independent as they are affiliated with the group. Please provide much better sources since otherwise it likely that the adticle will be deleted. Read and study Your first article for complete details. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:09, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
thank you, projects of the group, such as the film, have independent sources. Can I just add some info about the projects and the sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fn2gf3431 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
If those sources devote significant coverage to the film but not the group, then Wikipedia should have an article on the film, not the group. Please add independent, reliable sources that give significant coverage to the group, if you want this article to survive. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:00, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia already has an article about the film The Superior Human? for a long time.I've edited Earth April Can you have a look see if it is ok? Also can you take part the AfD discussion of The Superior Human? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Superior_Human%3F

Fn2gf3431 (talk) 05:21, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

For some reason, you asked the very same question on my talk page, and I answered in detail there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:39, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

speed delition

I have created article about new technology called E-auction 3.0 which has been created in Ukraine. My article was deleted, can someone describe why it was deleted and provide to me some feedback. Thank you! Pasha1443 (talk) 09:29, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Pasha1443, Wikipedia isn't an advertising site, and we only cover what reliable sources not related to the subject have said about a topic, not what the subject of the article says about themselves. You need to demonstrate that newspapers, magazines, major websites etc consider this technology significant.
From your comments here where you say that you're the creator of the company's logo, I assume you're an employee of this firm. While it's not absolutely forbidden to write about yourself provided you do so neutrally, we very strongly discourage it, and have a number of rules which you'll have to follow if you want to write about yourself. ‑ Iridescent 09:35, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Edits to templates not appearing in articles

Hi. How long does it typically take for edits to templates to show up in the articles where the template is used? I just reformatted Template:Paul, but even though it's been a few minutes the old version still appears on several articles. Thanks. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} | talk | contribs) 06:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You are probably looking at a cached version, so you would need to purge the articles concerned. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: Thank you very much! Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} | talk | contribs) 09:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

How to add cites

U412329 (talk) 11:24, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Hello, I am editing the Netherthorpe Airfield wiki site. I need to add a citation (5) for the information entered, please advise the process to add the citation to the text? Thanks Colin.U412329 (talk) 11:24, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, U412329. Help:Referencing for beginners provides all of the information you should need on adding citations. If you still have difficulty doing so, please do let us know here. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Datestamp settings

Hello fellow Wikipedians. I'm curious why the time stamp in page history is different from what people have written when they pass GA reviews. An example of this is located here. Is it a problem on my side or a problem on the GA reviewers side? If it is a preferences issue, where can I fix this problem? MrWooHoo (talk) 13:56, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

@MrWooHoo: The date and time stamps of others edits or comments like the one you refer to will always be shown in UTC unless you say otherwise. There are two preferences you can change. The first is you local time (although this might already be set). In Preferences -> appearance you can set you preferred format and also set your time offset from UTC. The other is Preferences -> gadgets -> Appearance where you can set "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time" Nthep (talk) 14:08, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Changing my user name?

I am absolutely raw here, though a developer and publisher other ways for ages.

I have not changed anything yet because I noticed my username should be Defending All. Should I simply abandon this one or is there another preferred method?

Thank you! I look forward to improving the wiki within this amazing community and getting to know you all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddfending All (talk • contribs) 14:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello Ddfending All (sic), and welcome to the Teahouse. You can request that your account be renamed at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:41, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

How to reference an article of a living person when there is not much on internet to reference it all

I am creating an article for a Kenneth Raydon Sharpe. He is quite a big personality but most of what is available on the internet his negative. I want to put out the neutral staff for people to see the real man behind that name. Unfortunately i can't find referencing or citations for him. He has a personal website and some online newspaper articles written about him197.211.216.75 (talk) 14:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. An article about this person was deleted as a copyright violation of biographical information on his own website. Any Wikipedia biography must be based on summarizing what independent, reliable sources say about him. I see that he is mentioned in coverage of the Panama Papers scandal, so that must be part of any article about him here. Any article you write will be edited by others. You will not be able to control it for the purpose of covering up or minimizing negative information that is reliably sourced. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Error on Manual of Style/Trademark page

I didn't want to edit a Manual of Style page. I thought I would leave that up to a higher-level editor. The mistake is on Manual of Style/trademarks. I believe it should read "word" rather than "world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks

"The ampersand (&) is frequently used in business names (e.g. AT&T), and the plus symbol (+) occasionally (as in Springer Science+Business Media), as substitutes for the word "and". A long-standing trend has been to drop the WORLD entirely (along with commas sometimes) in long, multi-party business names, especially after mergers or the addition of a partner (for example, Harcourt, Brace & Company became Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, later part of Houghton Mifflin Harcourt)."
Vmavanti (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Done. Good catch. But it never hurts to be WP:BOLD. No one's going to get uppity about obvious errors, regardless of what page it is. TimothyJosephWood 20:00, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Draft: Park City Mining District (split question)

I reviewed Draft: Park City Mining District, and declined it with the opinion that it should be added to the Park City, Utah article. User:DanielVGarcia then asked me on my talk page:

I saw that you had turned down our draft for Park City Mining and was wondering how I could put that in the Park City page? It is quite a lot of information and would absolutely ruin the flow of the page, however most of it is quite important, what would you suggest?

My question is whether other experienced editors agree that the information should be added to the History section of the existing article, or whether it is the opinion of other editors that the amount of detail is sufficient to warrant a split. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

It is not clear to me whether the mining district is completely enclosed within the city limits, or whether the mining district is larger than the city, or includes places outside the city. If it includes places outside the formal city limits, then I would consider that a good argument for a separate article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:51, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
I looked at the sources and believe that Park City Mining District just referred to the area before it was incorporated as a city (and apparently the name Park City was already in use by early settlers even before there was any mining). I really don't think it is distinct from Park City. I think Park City Mining District should redirect to Park City. This draft article could be merged into Park City, or kept as a separate article named Mining In Park City. There is enough info for it to be a separate article, but combining them would work also. MB (talk) 05:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
It seems that the author removed the decline tag that I had applied, and resubmitted the draft without changes. I will be advising the author that removing the AFC history is not permitted; maybe they didn't know any better. The draft was then declined by User:MorbidEntree as reading like an advertisement. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I have submitted tons of third-party sources for my topic and the Editor will now allow them.

Hello,

I was just reading the rules for third-party sources, those being ones who are known for fact-checking and are independent or have no ties with the subject/article being created. I am trying to edit the article Naam Yoga and I have listed many reliable third-party source references that keep getting rejected. The editor seems to have made an opinion that the text is promotional but the text refers to actual meditations for global peace that took place that are a part of history and recorded in many newspaper articles. When I try to improve the article, the editor Ronz goes in strips the article bare, even though the information that he took off stayed on wikipedia for many months without any editor having a problem with it.

I would greatly appreciate someone helping me to document a part of history that really happened with the many articles that I have. Can someone please help me?

Much thanks and grattitude, BobrilkensBobrilkens (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Talk:Naam yoga is the place for the discussion. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello Bobrilkens. On that talk page, Ronz has analyzed the shortcomings of the sources you tried to use. Here on Wikipedia, we insist on the highest quality academic sources for any medical claims. Please read WP:MEDRS for complete details. Also, we do not allow Wikipedia articles to be used for promotional purposes, and insist that articles be written from the neutral point of view. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Greetings Bobrilkens and thank you for your visit to the Teahouse. Medical articles have 'stricter' requirements on the use of sources to support content. I am an experienced medical editor and would be glad to take a look at the article. I can probably use plain English to help you through the process of finding good sources but in a nutshell your references to support medical content must be from: A review article from a journal, a government health related website (like the CDC), or medical textbooks. There are exceptions, but not too many. So you can begin to search for journal articles, if you don't know how to do that, I would be glad to help! Best Regards,
  Bfpage |leave a message  09:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I need help with my references

I am writing an article about the steel company, William Cook. It has been declined twice due to issues with my references. If anyone could help me out a little bit with which references are standing out as inadequate, I would be very grateful. The article is not yet live, so unsure how you will be able to find it (I am very new to wikipedia, and learning lots with the help of others!). Many thanks in advance.

TreacleTurtle (talk) 10:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

The article is Draft:William Cook Group. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:08, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Robert McClenon.

TreacleTurtle (talk) 13:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems pretty well sourced to me, TreacleTurtle, although I think there issues with the tone being promotional in places. MorbidEntree, could you explain your concerns about sources in a bit more detail? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello TreacleTurtle. I agree with Cordless Larry about the references. Most of these the references appear very solid to me, and the article does not seem very promotional to me. Given that this heavy industrial company is nearly two centuries old and is the largest of its type in the UK, I feel confident in concluding that it is notable. Can you please explain your thinking, MorbidEntree? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I'm so sorry. That was an error on my part. Not exactly sure how, but I must've misread the sources or something like that. I'll do my best to be more careful in the future. --MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)(Contribs)(please reply using {{ping}},(unless this is on my own talk page) otherwise I may not see your reply) 21:17, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
That's great news, thank you. Do I just need to resubmit the article as it is? Or does the refusal get reversed? Apologies, I am still very new to this. Thank you all again.

TreacleTurtle (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I have just seen that the article has now been accepted. Thank you all so very much for all your help and contributions.  :)

TreacleTurtle (talk) 09:36, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

external links

What kind of external links are acceptable on Wikipedia? My recent entry of external links on New Heights Education Group was removed and I am not sure why? Atchopra (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Atchopra. You have been reverted several times because you have added blocks of text copied and pasted from other websites. This is a copyright violation and is not allowed here on Wikipedia. Brief attributed quotations are allowed but they must be presented as quotes and referenced. You are also trying to remove maintenance tags without resolving the issues or reaching consensus with other editors. These are the issues leading to reversion of your edits, more so than external links. Those may be more appropriate as "Further reading". Please discuss your concerns on the article's talk page. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. Atchopra (talk) 15:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Title of a wikipedia page

How do I change the title of wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Heights_Education_Group. Instead of "Education" group, it should be "Educational" group. Thanks Atchopra (talk) 15:39, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, Atchopra. I have moved the article to the correct title for you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much Cullen328 ! I appreciate it! Atchopra (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

how to write an article about myself for public information117.221.251.62 (talk) 17:10, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

how to write an article about myself for public information117.221.251.62 (talk) 17:10, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you read Wikipedia:Your first article, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography and come back here if you have any questions. Rojomoke (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

HOW CAN I START A TOPIC

OK, I TRIED TO WRITE SOME THINGS AND I KNEW THAT THEY ARE ALREADY KNOWN BY OTHERS ,SO I WANT TO COME UP WITH THE ARTICLE THEN OTHER FOLLOWERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN IT MY COMMENT OR RESPOND OR EVEN EDIT MY ARTICLE ,SO HOW CAN I DO THATBRAEN B STAN (talk) 16:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

First of all, turn off the Caps Lock. Writing in all upper case is seen as shouting and considered rude. Next, read the articles WP:Your first article and WP:Notability and come back here if you have any more questions. Rojomoke (talk) 18:20, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

The Keg : I am the co-founder together with George Tidall of The Keg and I would like to correct the record. How do I do this and what do you need from me as support documents? (108.63.241.7 (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2016 (UTC))

I wish to edit/correct the record on the Wikipedia page "The Keg" and need your advice as to what support documents you need from me so that I can proceed. History: On December 7, 1970 I co-founded and incorporated Keg n Cleaver Restaurants Ltd together with George Tidball, my financial partner at the time. I was the founding President and CEO of the company and all subsidiary operating companies. Keg n Cleaver Restaurants Ltd was the original company and the predecessor company of Keg Restaurants Ltd (formerly Westward Leisure Concepts Ltd into which Tidball and I exchanged our shares, which we then took public, and which later changed its name to Keg Restaurants Ltd). I wish to add my name John R Luttin as co-founder on the main page as well as on the side-bar to correct the record. i attempted recently to edit a couple of times but was rejected. Something about being promotional or otherwise/unsure of protocols. As support documents I can provide copies of the following:1) Incorporation documents with myself as President, co-founder & co-shareholder 2) November 30, 1972 Public Offering Document (Canarim subsequently renamed Cannacord) showing my shareholder/co-founder position and status and stating that I co-founded with Tidball. 3) LRJGlobal.com website with supporting facts regarding my Keg co-founder status 4) John R Luttin Linkedin with supporting facts regarding my Keg co-founder status. I would be obliged if you would advise me how to go about this edit so I am onside with your protocols and procedures. Thank you for your assistance. John R Luttin, June 24, 2016 108.63.241.7 (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, John R Luttin. Because you have a conflict of interest, you should not be editing The Keg directly. The legal documents you mention are primary sources and are of limited use here. Much better would be newspaper or magazine article mentioning you as co-founder, which can be used as references. The article really needs more such sources, as it is very poorly referenced. I suggest that you register a Wikipedia account, and discuss the matter on the article's talk page. When you have some references, notify me and I will help you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I am also notifying I dream of horses, the editor who reverted you several times. Perhaps they have something to add. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:21, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

An apology for my former disruptive behavior at the Teahouse

Hello. this isn't a question about editing Wikipedia, and I am sorry about that. But I felt the need to come here to apologize for my disruptive and uncivil behavior on the Wikipedia Teahouse a year and a quarter ago. I am sorry for all the rude things that I said to the Wikipedia community and aboutt falsely accusing you of having an adgenda against hate groups, pseudoscience promoters, and pedophiles. I wasn't thinking clearly then. To be clear, I do not support or advocate these group's ideologies, "especially those of pedophiles who view adult-child sexual relationships as healthy and safe", on-or-off Wikipedia. Editors who hold viewpoints that support the ideaologies of hate groups, and pedophiles who promote pedophilia, or edit articles to support their views must not be allowed on Wikipedia. Please forgive me. Frogger48 (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


Same note needed several times

Hi, I'm wondering if there is any way that I can make notes with a { { notelist } } like when we use the same reference several times so that the same note doesn't have to be shown several times. If it works with some other notelist I would use that as well.*Treker (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, *Treker. Please read about named references, which allows you to define a reference once and invoke it many times. Take a look at an article I wrote, Harry Yount, where a reference by William Supernaugh is used 23 times throughout the article, and several other references are used two to four times each. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:40, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Cullen328. But I guess I can't use notelist notes like that?*Treker (talk) 03:05, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Named references are supported by Template:reflist, which is to my knowledge, by far the most common way to display inline references. In all honesty, I do not recall seeing the notelist format used even once in my seven years of editing here, but it is supported by the software. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:11, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Wait. Wut. I've been around, but is there a way to implement something like <note></note>/{{notelist}} in the same way that <ref></ref>/{{reflist}} is used? That would be a super improvement on the way I've been using notes. TimothyJosephWood 03:37, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

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If you want to use {{notelist}} then you have to use shortened footnotes and use {{efn}} to populate the notelist. If you want to use use named references then use <ref name=whatever group= Notes/> and {{reflist group=Notes as well as your regular reflist. Personally shortened footnotes are what I use whenever I can. Nthep (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Article rejection

Hello my name is Kwaku and i had an article rejected due to lack of adequate sources. The article in question regards to a magazine called A2.O Magazine which has been working with celebrities from around Africa and young individuals within the continent to create some pretty cool stuff for the entertainment industry.

All the celebrities are popular and most of the same celebrates that featured on the cover or in the magazine feature in wikipedia articles. Was it because there weren't enough sources because I would assume that with the celebrates and new coverage that would have been enough. Ghanaeditor123 (talk) 12:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ghanaeditor123 - you seem to be misunderstanding our idea of Notability
We are not at all interested in the celebrities, or articles the magazine includes, what it says, or what its Press Releases, website, editor or anyone else connected to it, in any way, say about it.
Notability is solely based upon what reliable, independent sources, who have no connection whatsoever with the magazine, have said about it. Without references showing that the magazine has had substantial coverage, there should not be an article about it. - Arjayay (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
@arjayay I didn't mean to say everyone cares about celebrities it was a used as a point of reinforcement to show credibility (I thought since they have been in wikipedia it would help) i wrote my first article on this company because i genially think what they are doing is cool I have no connection to it what so ever, neither do the media outlets that have reported on it.
Wikipedia is a great tool not just for individuals but for companies and I plan to write a few more on other companies. Unfortunately African media is still very pay us and we'll report on you so not everything can be trusted it's unlike more modern first world media where if an individual is doing something great they seek you out and report on you to help build your image. They are a lot of great companies who have local appeal but it's tough for them to get on sites like this.
but if you say the sources are no good they are no good.
Thank you Ghanaeditor123 (talk) 17:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
@Ghanaeditor123: I was reading through the Teahouse questions and happened upon your question. While I do not have an answer to your question, I would like to warn you that Wikipedia has several policies about writing an article purely for promoting the company talked about within the article (see WP:ARTSPAM and WP:NOTPROMO), as well as policies regarding conflicts of interest (see WP:COI). Note that writing an article like an advertisement is not allowed (because Wikipedia is an information platform, not an advertising platform), while having a conflict of interest is just strongly discouraged (because it may affect the neutrality of the article).
I realize that I may be scaring you, but I'm honestly just trying to help. I'm trying to keep your article from getting deleted. (You'd be surprised how many users sign up just to advertise themselves or their companies.) Also, while I said no advertisements for companies can be on Wikipedia, that doesn't mean there can't be a page about them on Wikipedia, provided the page is well-cited with reliable sources, is notable, and is written from a neutral point of view. I've left a message on your talk page with some more resources you may find helpful.
Also, if you want to "@" somebody (as you seemed to be trying to do), just type {{ping|USERNAME}}, replacing USERNAME with the username of the person you want to "@" (ex. {{ping|Gestrid}} is replaced with "@Gestrid:" and notifies me when you click "Save page". -- Gestrid (talk) 07:51, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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