Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Listing spellings of Armenian items in Western and Eastern Armenian.

Listing spellings of Armenian items in Western and Eastern Armenian.

The filing party (the editor who opened this request) will add the basic details for this dispute below.

Editors involved in this dispute

1. HyeSK (talk · contribs) – filing party
2. Yerevantsi (talk · contribs)

Articles affected by this dispute

1. Yerevan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
2. Gyumri (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Other attempts at resolving this dispute that you have attempted

Yerevantsi,

Eastern and Western are always relevant, regardless of the fact Eastern is primarily spoken in Armenia. To list something in the Eastern spelling then call it Armenian is intellectually dishonest. It makes a non-speaker believe there is only one form of Armenian. I am giving you a kind vandalism warning.

Western Armenia is irrelevant whether you like it or not. All official and unofficial literature in the Republic of Armenia is in Eastern Armenian. Try to familiarize yourself with basic Wikipedia guidelines before giving me a baseless "warning". --Երևանցի ^talk 19:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

It does not matter. In this world, Western Armenian is still spoken. "In the Republic of Armenia" doesn't matter. You're not too good with logic, are you? What is officially spoken in Armenia has nothing to do with the Wikipedia page. If that were the case, a page on Western Armenian would not exist. Your opinion does not trump reality. And, you're also quite wrong, as all church documentation is in Krapar or Western Armenian. You familiarize yourself.

So what ? Western Armenia has no relevance in Gyumri and all of modern-day Republic of Armenia. Yes it does, Gyumri is part of the Republic of Armenia and not a country where Western Armenian is an officially recognized spelling. Also, the "Western Armenian" spelling of Yerevan (Երեւան) is in reality the Classical Armenian spelling. Iranian Armenians do not speak Western Armenian, but they still use the classical orthography. I've added that spelling to the note next to its pronunciation in the intro. The church is highly irrelevant here. And even it was, how does that make Western Armenian relevant. Do you know the difference between Grabar and Western Armenian? because you seem to confuse the two. I agree that the classical spelling is somewhat relevant because it was in use for centuries. But why Western Armenian? I was the one who added the classical spelling to the First Republic of Armenia, United Armenia, Aram Manukian and other articles' intros, because the relevance is evident in those cases. Western Armenian (not classical) spelling of Gyumri is not in any way. --Երևանցի ^talk 06:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Again, you fail to have logic. The fact of whether or not it is spoken is Gyumri or Armenia DOES NOT MATTER. It is a language spoken by millions and still has relevance in the world as a whole. I do know the difference between Krapar and Western - they are more closely related than any other dialects of Armenian. Krapar is the purest Armenian spoken, and western is closest to it. So, I don't know what your vendetta is on Western Armenian, but I will keep reverting the changes. I will, also, post a 3rd and final warning if either of the changes are reverted, and then bring admins into the dispute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeSK (talk • contribs) 20:37, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yerevantsi - It's time to bring a moderator into this. You just have a chip on your shoulder, for some reason, towards Western Armenian. It will be, and has been, always relevant. Have a little respect for the most widely spoken dialect of Armenian. And, use a little logic once in a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeSK (talk • contribs) 10:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

So, I am going to make a formal mediation request. Do you agree to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeSK (talk • contribs) 13:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC) ]]

Issues to be mediated

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Primary issues (added by the filing party)

1. Armenia currently has many dialects, but the two most widely spoken dialects are Eastern and Western Armenian. I have been making edits to pages to list both dialects, as some words are written differently by each dialect. Yerevantsi seems to have an issue with Western Armenian, stating it is irrelevant due to the fact it is not widely spoken in Armenia itself. I have been consistently explaining to him this is not logical, as Western Armenian is spoken by millions of Armenians around the world. Also, he has stated on occasions that the spelling is not Western Armenian, but Classical spelling. This is also incorrect, as Classical Armenian had different spellings and letter conjunctions. Western Armenian, as with all dialects of all languages are equally important.

Additional issues (added by other parties)

• Additional issue 1
• Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediation

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1. Agree. HyeSK (talk) 14:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Decision of the Mediation Committee

This section should only be edited by a mediator. The Mediation Committee's representative will indicate in due course whether the request is accepted (meaning a mediator will be assigned) or rejected (meaning you will have to try a different type of dispute resolution). If the mediator asks you a question in this section, you may edit here.

• Reject. Fails to satisfy prerequisite for mediation #4, "The parties must have first engaged in extensive discussion of the matter in dispute at the article talk page and discussion only through edit summaries will not suffice." The extensive discussion must also be recent. The discussion here has neither been extensive nor recent (nor on the article talk page or pages where it might attract the opinions or participation of other editors, though the request would probably not be rejected under #4 merely because it was not on the article talk pages). Even if this were not rejected under #4, however, it would very likely to have been rejected under #9. For the Mediation Committee, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC) (Chairperson)