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Maroon 5[edit]

I do Good Article reviews all the time and I know what sort of things to look for, but, for what ever reason, I can't easily spot issues within articles I've read a dozen or more times. My goal is to eventually bring this article up to FA, hopefully. A task I have not yet attempted. LaraLoveT/C 21:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Fritz S.[edit]

In general, there are very little references. Many more of the statements could/should be referenced. Not even the quote given prominently in the Formation section is sourced. (Speaking of which, I don't see why this particular quote is formatted in cquotetxt, while others aren't).
Block quote states that block quotes are generally used for quotes that are four lines or more, which this quote is. It also says that it can be used stylistically for shorter quotes. WP:QUOTE, although currently inactive, states that block quotes can also be used when the quote is a major part of the article's topic. In this case, it was a turning point for the band, something that, as stated in the quote, had a "profound impact" on Levine's songwriting (which ultimately transformed their sound, leading to their success).
Additionally, the citation was after the colon just before the actual quote, I moved it to the end of the quote.
Here are some other things:
  • "backing vocals" is overlinked in the lead  Done
  • Singles should be linked in the lead (if they have articles)  Done
  • Caption in the infobox shouldn't be in italics.  Done
  • Image has been deleted, per my nomination for lack of justifiable fair use rationale, and replaced with previous concert photo.
  • Genres should all be in one line, seperated by commas.  Done
  • This varies between articles of various quality standards. I'm looking into whether or not one is preferred. I've changed this before (not sure if it was for this article or not), and my change was reverted. To avoid issues, I'm getting verification.
  • Okay. I based that on the example given in the template instructions. I just checked a couple of FAs and most of them list them without brakes. --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good enough for me. Hopefully this isn't the article I had the issue with previously. I'm not in the mood for revert warring. :p LaraLoveT/C 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dashes are wrong throughout the article. See WP:DASH
  • Are you referring to the dashes used in the Awards section? I looked through other FAs and GAs to see what format others used for listing awards and I could not find one article with an awards section, except for Mariah Carey, but it was a separate article regarding only Grammy nominations/wins. Is there some standard against awards sections? LaraLoveT/C 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I actually meant the use of dashes when it comes to time spans (e.g. "2003 - 2005", which should be "2003–2005"), there are a couple of these in the lead and in the infobox. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)  Done[reply]
  • "Maroon 5 returned with new music for the first time in five years with the release of It Won't Be Soon Before Long in May 2007" I think this is simply wrong since they did release a couple of new tracks on compilations in those five years.  Done
  • The new sentence now states "Maroon 5 returned with a new album for the first time in five years" although they released two live albums in between... --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll have to get someone to help me word this. The new album is their first full album since Songs About Jane. I don't think that's accurate terminology, though. However, the current wording in the article is how it was referred to in Rolling Stone Magazine. I can source it, if that would make it acceptable. LaraLoveT/C 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about "Maroon 5 released their second studio album, It Won't Be Soon Before Long in May 2007, five years after Songs About Jane." ? --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC) {{Done)) That's perfect. LaraLoveT/C 04:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In his section of Midnight Miles, Dusick detailed" should not include external link (especially since it's dead), but proper citation.  Done
  • It was cited, there just isn't an article for Midnight Miles. I've changed it to link to Wikipedia's book source page.
  • I don't have the book, so there's no way for me to do this. It's also not available at the library, and I love the band, but not enough to buy this book. The comment used in the article is taken from the source that follows it. LaraLoveT/C 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then it should be cited with {{cite web}} instead of an inline link. You could also check if there is a mirror of that site at the Wayback Machine or Google Cache. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC). Just noticed this is there. Sorry. --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Maroon 5's second album, It Won't Be Soon Before Long (A&M/Octone Records) was released worldwide." I think that part in parenthesis should either be removed, or properly incorporated into the sentence.  Done
  • "After its release, the record broke iTunes sales records its week of release, selling over 101,000 albums." It might be a little confusing to have record in that sentence twice with different meanings. Maybe album instead for the first time?  Done
  • "To support the album, from May 30 to June 11, the band will be on the road" out of date. The next sentence as well.  Done
  • The two album covers used lack fair use rationales, and aren't really necessary anyway.  Done However, a screenshot from "This Love" for the Controversy section might be a good idea (and easier to justify fair use wise).  Done
  • I added fair use rationales. I feel the covers add context. I'm looking for a good shot. None that I've currently found show the controversial computer-generated flowers. I may end up taking it myself, but probably not until I get the high-gain antenna for my wireless access point.
  • Many editors at WP:FU feel that the use of album artwork is only justified if the cover itself (not just the album) is being discussed. The current use seems to violate WP:FUC #8. --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's it for now... --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changes and above comments by LaraLoveT/C 04:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I still think many more statements should be sourced. If it helps I can go through it again and add {{fact}} whereever a statement should have a reference. --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, I didn't have time to address that suggestion yet. I would appreciate the fact tags. I don't currently have a lot of time to edit, plus my connection is like AOL in 1996 right now... I think some of my edits would go through faster if I wrote them out and mailed them in to someone via USPS! LaraLoveT/C 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll see what I can do. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'm in the process of adding links for those places you specified, however, I have a question:

  • "The band signed with Reprise Records while still in high school and released its only album The Fourth World in the middle of 1997, just as three of the four members were about to graduate (Ryan Dusick was completing his sophomore year at UCLA)."
    • What part are you challenging? That they signed with Reprise while in HS, that The Fourth World is their only album, that it was released in 1997, that Ryan was a college sophomore while the rest were HS seniors, or that Ryan went to UCLA? LaraLove 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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