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If you are willing to review this List and want a review of your article, then please inform me. I'll surely review it.

I've listed this article for peer review because this may be the next FL

Thanks, KensplanetTalkContributions 07:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been reviewing the article. Regarding the map File:Map of India (1882).jpg, we'll have to find a better one, as it is not that accurate and the reader has to strain his/her eyes to locate the Bombay Presidency with respect to rest of India. The grammar and prose is good. If possible, please expand.SanfyTalk

Thankyou for your concerns. You have done a great Job creating many governor article as can be seen from Special:Contributions/Sanfy. File:Map of India (1882).jpg has been removed since the Presidency cannot be seen easily. KensplanetTalkContributions 11:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you specify what needs to be expanded, then that may be done. The Lead, List or what. Thanks, KensplanetTC 11:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The lead of the section List_of_Governors_of_Bombay#Crown_Governors_.281862_-_1947.29, is a bit short if there is any more information on the section, you may add the needful. Even expand the list of section List_of_Governors_of_Bombay#British_Empire_.281662_-_1668.29. Revise the books, sources, etc one more to check if there's no mistake or if any govenor's name is missing. Thanks.SanfyTalk

  • Impossible to miss out anyone. The Dates are continuous right from 1662 to 1960. Infact, the article includes Officiating and Acting governors which some reliable sources tend to miss out. KensplanetTC 18:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just tried Web sources. May be Books are required here. I'll expand if possible. Thanks, KensplanetTC 18:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the images File:India 1804 map.jpg & File:British dominion of India(1783).jpg, they are good but I think we'll need a self-made image like File:Mangalorean catholic migration.JPG to make the image more clear and visible, as the maps are still not accurate in showing the location of the Bombay Presidency. Thanks.SanfyTalk
Excellent suggestion. Really worth considering. Maybe some professional skills may be required there. KensplanetTC 18:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A GIF needs to be created. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
File:BartleFrere.jpg had a copyright problem. I have changed the licence to {{PD-old}}, please check if this is correct.SanfyTalk
  • It is correct. Anyway the Image has to be in the Public domain since it was published in 1880. KensplanetTC 18:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redtigerxyz comments:

  • When i click on any name in the "Graphical" I reach this link: [1] Please correct it.
  • In my web browser, Modzilla, I can't see the names in "Graphical" properly, can the font be increased? Also the dates of the last entries are been cut. Can the representation be put in another better way.--Redtigerxyz Talk 06:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are U sure when you click the name in the "Graphical" you reach Secure Wikimedia link. The Governors have been wikilinked and in my and many browsers, it opens the EN-WIkipedia link. I checked it. It still opens the EN-wikipedia link. If you check Internet explorer, the links don't work at all. I myself am not aware how to correct such browser differences. KensplanetTC 06:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think all Governors should be visible now. The timeline has been expanded. I'll surely check whether tools are available for increasing fonts. I'm working with the Graphical chart for the first time. KensplanetTC 07:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Still, it doesn't look nice. I don't look how much visual appeal counts in an encyclopaedia? --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is out of my hands then. This is the only Graphical chart I know. Forgive me as I dunno anything about lists KensplanetTC 03:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's the way the graphical chart is. Nothing much that can be done unless the code is modified. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Dineshkannambadi

Interesting short article.

It'not an article but a list. :) KensplanetTC 03:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The city was originally an archipelago of seven islands. Is it not an archipelago now? I could have corrected this myself, but I am not quite sure if any geological works, such as water dredging, has been done to connect a few islands.
I don't think it is now. In 1782, William Hornby assumed the office of Governor of Bombay, and initiated the Hornby Vellard engineering project of uniting the seven islands into a single landmass. All the seven islands were united and the city was then referred as Old Bombay. Do you think it is still an archipelago KensplanetTC 03:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Governors of Bombay were the most important officials after the Viceroy, and were appointed by the Crown. Were they more important than governors in say Madras presidency or other places in the Raj?
Actually the Reference says The Governors of Bombay and Madras are the most important officials after the Viceroy, and are appointed by the Crown (http://books.google.com/books?id=rxcJ1ACY_74C&printsec=frontcover#PPA61,M1) So we can say that the Governors of Bombay and Madras were more powerful than the Governors of any other place in the Raj since these presidencies were huge. KensplanetTC 04:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see that numerous governors occupied their chair for several terms. Would it be possible, to add another table which gives important contributions or important achievements by some of these governors–constructions, bills, regulations etc.

More later. Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to me, there was only 1 Governor who repeated his term. That was George Russell Clerk (1847-1848) who repeated again in 1860-1862. Please tell me if you could you find more. Yes, it's possible to have achievements but that may leave no space for Images. Without Images, the article may be a bit difficult for people to visualize about the Bombay Presidency.KensplanetTC 04:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should it be something like what I have done in British Empire (1662 - 1668) section? KensplanetTC 05:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You could mention the geological works that united the islands just for clarification. Now it would be one island, unless it was joined with mainland India, in which case it becomes a sort of tiny peninsula. You could just say the governor of Bombay, along with that of Madras presidency was the most influential.... Yes, the table under British Empire is what I wanted. You dont have to do that for every governor, only the most important ones, in a different table so that your images are not compromised. BTW, "Achievements" may be changed to Achievements/Events because the very first one in the British Empire template is not exactly an achievement.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK...Will mention geological works. Added info about Madras in the Lead. The table was just for test purposes. I'll remove it. The first 4 Governors's contributions are not so significant so as to be mentioned in the List. If people are interested then they can check the individual articles. I'll again draw a test table. KensplanetTC 05:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
While your suggestions are excellent, but it may be a bit difficult to implement it. All the Governors had some significant contributions to the city. I dunno what to put and what to strike out. If you check the Governor FL's at Wikipedia:Featured lists#Politics and government, none of them have achievements or anything. If people want, they can check the individual governor articles. I'm a bit reluctant to put it. :) KensplanetTC 06:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. The article (list) is well written anyway.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • It needs to be directly specified in the first paragraph that we're talking about British Bombay and later independent India. This goes with clarifying "the Crown".
    • Done
  • "...as the dowry of Catherine de Braganza and Abraham Shipman was appointed the first governor..." A comma is needed between "Braganza" and "and". Same in the next sentence between 1668 and "and".
    • Done
  • "landing in Bombay by the Portuguese, and died..." No comma.
    • Done
  • In every table, "Term" should be changed to "Terms", and the definition of a term should be clarified (i.e. a term is one year long)
    • Done
  • "there was a demand from the Congress, that the city be constituted..." No comma before "that".
    • Done
  • The Primary sources and References sections should be merged into one, either References or Bibliography.
Removed Primary Sources. References stay since they are books and other pages which cannot be cited. KensplanetTC 14:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with Bombay as its capital" needs a period.
  • Done
    • Overall this is an excellent list with the graphical lists and clean tables. This is a very informative list and I wish you good luck at FLC. As you said above, if you have time, I would appreciate it if you reviewed my governors list at WP:FLC#List of Governors of Indiana. Reywas92Talk 03:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Manual of style
  1. (1672 - 1675) --> Date ranges needs to be separated by an ndash (see WP:DASH) and without spacing
    Done
  2. Citations, Primary Sources, and References --> Why the distinction?
    Removed Primary Sources. References stay since they are books and other pages which cannot be cited. KensplanetTC 14:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The Island...' --> island should be lower case
    Done. KensplanetTC 14:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. western coast -- remove link
    Done. KensplanetTC 14:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Prose
  1. It would seem to have fallen into disuse some time between 1720 and 1758 -- Peacock/Weasel term
    Changed to It fell into disuse between 1720 and 1758.
  2. held Bombay for the Crown --> odd grammar
    I don't think it's odd. Can you suggeest anything better
  3. the head of the rebellion --> odd wording
    Done
  4. Bombay (now Mumbai) --> reads odd. Change to Bombay, renamed as Mumbai in 1995...
    Done. KensplanetTC 14:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Rename the titles to: "Royal Governors", "Company Governors" and "Crown Governors"
    Renamed. KensplanetTC 15:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. ...were the most important officials... -- cite needed
  7. Remove salary part
    Removed. KensplanetTC 14:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. The link to Viceroy is not helpful; link to Governor-General of India
    Done. KensplanetTC 14:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  9. 'of uniting the -- odd word "uniting"; use "coalescing" instead?
    Done. KensplanetTC 15:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Context
  1. What's an officiating/acting governor?
    Mentioned as a Note
  2. I have a list of deputy governors till 1690, would you like to add that?
    Please add it. KensplanetTC 15:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mention how the state was split during Partition, and later how the princely states were amalgamated into Bombay state
    Mentioned about 4 divisions and 26 districts.
  4. From 1960, the designation of the Governor of Bombay changed into Governor of Maharashtra. --> it wasn't a designation change: The old Bombay State was split into Gujarat and Maharashtra, and consequently, the title governor of Bombay ceased to exist. Maharashtra was not made up of only a Bombay State, but also part of Central Provinces. So change all mention of a direct inheritance.
    It was a designation change. Check http://rajbhavan.maharashtra.gov.in/previous/default.htm It mentions it was a designation change. Beter to go with the source. KensplanetTC 07:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. the Company was accused of mismanagement, and Bombay reverted to the British crown -- too little lead text. See British India#British India for a summary. Integrate relevant sentences into this article.
    Integrated Relevant sentences
  6. See if this picture can be added: File:Bombay-fort-1703.JPG
    Picture added. You may wish to modify it in the article. KensplanetTC 14:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Anjediva - where? Mention the location
    Mentioned North Canara. KensplanetTC 14:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. You meed to mention why the Company moved HQ to Bombay (more secure, better harbour)
    Mentioned
  9. was prevented from landing in Bombay by the Portuguese -- why?
    Because of some alleged irregularity in the form of letters or patent of agreement of accession of Bombay and Salsette
  10. The list of governors are also mentioned in The Origins of Bombay by José Gerson da Cunha. (pg 323-324) You can also add the book in =Further Reading=
    Mentioned. There's only a limited mention till 1690. Still it's a good source. It's available online at http://books.google.com/books?id=miD5YO05jpUC&printsec=frontcover#PPA323,M1 KensplanetTC 14:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Mention the HQ of the Governor: First at Bombay Castle, then Parel and finally Raj Bhavan. (See Bombay Castle article for reference and the link [2])

=Nichalp «Talk»= 09:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Mentioned Bombay Castle was the official residence of the Governor of Bombay till the 1770s. The residence was later moved to Parel in the 1770s and then to Malabar Hill in 1883
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