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I've been working on this portal for a few weeks now, and I believe it meets the Featured Portal Criteria (WP:WIAFPo). Let's see what the community thinks! For the record, it's based on Portal:Alternative music. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 00:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: It is a good start. But, for the following reasons I think the portal is still not ready to be featured as one of the best portals on wikipedia:
    • The portal is heavily tilted towards Rock and Pop. Very limited (if at all) information is available about other genres i.e. indegenous, country and jazz music. Also, other than the related articles on AC/DC and Bon Scott, the entire portal caters for recent trends in Australian music (90s or later).
      • I'm aware of this issue. However, as GA and up articles are displayed on the portal, I don't have huge amounts of control over what shows up there. I could go and get some other Australian music articles to GA, but it's unrealistic to expect someone to create a full perspective on the topic themselves - I'm just working with what I've got.
        • Please don't take this personally. No one is accusing you for not finding all the right components. The skeleton of the portal, which you have created, is perhaps good enough for featured status. But the fact of the matter is (which you also agreed), there is not enough good material on wikipedia at this point in time to have a balanced portal on such a narrow topic. The portal needs to be evaluated based on its usefulness and representativeness, not only on its looks. Hence this portal, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be ready for a featured status yet. Arman Aziz 05:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm not taking it personally, no. It's just that with the backlog around here, I don't want to have to wait forever to get it featured if it meets the criteria. Speaking of which, there is no mention in the criteria of representativeness. Usefulness is there, yes, but as I said before I really can't control what articles appeared on the portal. I doubt we'd ever have many GAs on some of the Australian music topics - there just aren't editors interested in that area. So I do what I can, but sometimes we just can't live up to the criteria word for word. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 06:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Several selected images on the roster don't seem impressive from image quality perspective. (e.g. big day out 2006 crowd, Tim Rogers, TZU, The Go-betweens, Ben-Lee).
      • Some bad images have been removed/resized - there were issues with commons at some stage, I believe.
    • The news section could use an archive. It also should have a track record of good maintenance (for at least 3 months).
      • The news section has only been running for a short amount of time, but archives will be implemented as soon as is relevant.
    • A "Did you know.." section could add value to the portal.
      •  Done
    • The intro section of the portal seems casually written. It could be improved.
      •  Done
On the whole, the portal seems far away from a balanced representation of Australian Music.Arman Aziz 02:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Responded to comments. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 05:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey water, I do feel that the images are concentrating on rock genre. Mind if you add something else such as Image:Sydney Opera House Sails.jpg? Also try rearrange components so that both left and right side balance out. Include a "show new selection" on the portal (see Portal:Environment. When these are done I'll support this nomination. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There currently is a show new selected content link under each content box, but yeah, I'll move it up to the top. And I've been meaning to get more images for different genres for a while....SPEBI! :) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • The Opera House is already a selected article, so I don't think that that image would work... perhaps another Australian icon that somehow represents the Music of Australia in some shape or form? Sebi [talk] 05:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Opera House is now a selected image, not article. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 06:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • How about some Live Earth concert, Sydney pictures? There should be plenty images around. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)\[reply]
            • Not apparently, all the CC ones I can find on Flickr either forbid derivatives, making them unavailable for use here. Other ones we can use were photos of the concert in London, so they're no good either... ~ Sebi [talk] 21:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Switching my stance, I'll support OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object, things to fix:
    • Music of Australia should be linked in the first line of the intro.
    • Selected article titles should be linked in the first sentence.
    • If possible the same pic shouldn't be used twice, AC/DC and Bon Scott
    • Article pics should not be thumbed with captions.
    • Crowded House has two selected articles, ah, one's a list, it should be advertised as such. Maybe add the table in the intro of List of Crowded House awards as the pic.
    • Crowded House has two pics that could be used.
    • A nominations section/page needs to be created for the articles and pics.
    • Both selected pics and articles archive pages should provide a link to the subpage, such as Portal:Numismatics/Selected article.
    • Any bolded title in selected pics should either be linked or unbolded.
    • There shouldn't be two captions on selected pics(one explaining the pic one explaing the article), this is selected pics so the only caption should be for that.
    • The more link isn't nessecary in selected pics since it's for pics not articles, tho I see no problem keeping it.
    • Two pics have unlinked credits.
    • News needs an archive.
    • News needs a read more type link to the source.
    • DYK needs an archive.
    • Category:Music venues in Australia deserves a spot in the topics box.
    • An associated wikimedia box needs to be created.
    • I think that about sums it up. Joe I 03:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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