Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sissieretta Jones

Sissieretta Jones[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 15 Feb 2022 at 01:55:45 (UTC)

Reason: While the text on the poster may annoy me, I think a bright, colourful image of Jones herself is very good at bringing interest in. And it does kind of fit with how her talent and her race interplayed: Being invited to sing for four consecutive U.S. Presidents, but having to use the back door until Theodore Roosevelt finally invited her to use the front door.
Articles in which this image appears: Sissieretta Jones +1
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Entertainment
Creator: Metropolitan Printing Co., restored by Adam Cuerden

Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.5% of all FPs} 01:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Very nice. Yes the text on the poster is annoying, but I think we can trust the judgment of one of the more experienced article editors Here. The image has been stable since article's creation in 2005. Bammesk (talk) 06:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The infobox image has more EV. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I think we'd normally agree a photo and alleg poster were appropriate for a Victorian entertainer, since they show different types of information, and especially when the photo is as bad as the one in her article. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 14:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

True, but I'm not wild about the poster with the weird medals. Charlesjsharp (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get that, but... well, I try not to judge how the past presents itself. I presume they're meaningful, even if I don't have the specific knowledge to identify them: she sang for the British Royal Family and four U.S. Presidents, so I presume they're significant medals, not just random costume props, since this isn't advertising her in a role. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 18:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Checking the dates, it would presumably need to be from her Carribean tour. Now, my knowledge of Carribean politics of the time is very weak, but if it's anything like today, that's a lot of small nations who might well throw a ceremony at a popular entertainer. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 18:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further research: Well, she owned them and wore them that way: https://blackkudos.tumblr.com/post/136275345232/matilda-sissieretta-joyner-jones-matilda Looks like the poster is based on photos by Napoleon Sarony: https://music.si.edu/object-day/napoleon-saronys-portrait-sissieretta-jones - by the way, if you can download that image, let me know. The site seems broken when I try to. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 19:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support OK, thanks for doing the homework. Charlesjsharp (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 20:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For comparison:

. Little too similar, maybe to put both in the article. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 21:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with both in article. Bammesk (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. For what it's worth, I welcome inclusion of the text: she is still remembered in the literature as having been called the "Black Patti", and I see no harm in reminding people of that nickname. (Also, as a Virginian it's nice to see some love for a Portsmouth native.) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed it's a significant part of her story - if you found The Black Patti Troubadors, you're going to be stuck with that nickname. I just feel one should explicitly recognise that the text on the poster - especially the "of her race" part - are problematic. Having done so, we can note the historic value despite that, and appropriately judge it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 16:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Adam Cuerden: Oh, I agree - it's just that when I hear "annoying", it suggests to me that one would prefer a poster without the words, and I think they have value in shining a light on the times/circumstance. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: Well, between The Black Patti Troubadours and the 2012 biography "Sissieretta Jones: The Greatest Singer of her Race" and that appearing on her gravestone and the plaque, every line on that poster is relevant to understanding something in her article. I may not like the phrasing, but it's tied up in her legacy. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.6% of all FPs} 08:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. MER-C 19:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:1899 poster of Mme. M. Sissieretta Jones.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]