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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Timeline of the Warren G. Harding presidency[edit]

Featured list candidates/Timeline of the Warren G. Harding presidency/archive1

Nominator(s): Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Last spring, I read thousands of archived newspaper stories, searching for every major story about President Warren G. Harding. I was an inexperienced user at the time, so I was wary of the FLC process. I've now ensured that all items are cited and that the timeline has a suitable lead. I believe that the timeline accurately lists all major events involving the presidency of Warren G. Harding, and I'm nominating this as my first FLC. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cool list, great work! At least the short presidency made this more manageable! Some comments:

The first sentence is a little awkward by making "presidency" the subject, I'd suggest something like "Warren G. Harding was inaugurated as the 29th president of the United States on March 4, 1921, and he died on August 2, 1923, 881 days later. During Harding's presidency, he organized..."
Even though presidents didn't travel much yet, it's not that particular that a president would meet with international figures - that listing doesn't need to be in the first paragraph
"He declined to participate actively in the 1922 United States elections, opting to write letters of endorsement" Don't know that history of midterms, but was that unusual not to campaign in them?
June 30 1921 - is an appropriations act that major? Before congress became dysfunctional, they signed like 12 of those every year, link unlikely to have an article
September 20 - redlink is not needed
Nov 14 - I don't think the Victory Memorial mentioned in the cite is actually related to National World War I Memorial (Washington, D.C.); that article and [2] say there were buildings there until demolished in 1930
June 21 1922 – lowercase is inconsistent with May 15
Feb 27 and 28, 1923 both include Hubert Work and Harry New
June 20 - italics for newspaper
Aug 2 - should say where he died

Reywas92^Talk 03:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All comments have now been addressed. And yes, starting with Harding over the other presidencies of that era was completely intentional. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reywas92, pinging since this hasn't seen much activity. Any further thoughts about this as a featured list? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:09, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well done. Reywas92^Talk 04:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Will do a full review later, but for now will leave you with this drive-by: image captions which are not complete sentences, eg "Harding with Marie Curie. May 20, 1921." should not have full stops -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More comments[edit]

"Warren G. Harding was inaugurated as the 29th president of the United States on March 4, 1921, and he served as president until his death" - minor, but the word "he" is probably redundant
Could you add a few words to give context to some of the other people mentioned, eg "Harding attends the funeral of Edward Douglass White" => "Harding attends the funeral of Supreme Court judge Edward Douglass White" (or whatever is appropriate)
"Harding loosens a Wilson-era rule" - who's Wilson?
"France's insistence of maintain" - not grammatically correct. Suggest "France's insistence on maintaining"
"The Wall Street Journal breaks the story that Secretary of the Interior had leased" => "The Wall Street Journal breaks the story that the Secretary of the Interior had leased"
"for the 100th centennial" - the 100th centennial would mark 10,000 years and I am fairly sure Grant didn't live that long :-) Either "the centennial" or "the 100th birthday"
That's what I got as far as the end of May 1922, but I need to drop off now. I'll do the rest later this evening...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even more comments[edit]

"Harding expresses his support for cabinet secretaries to express" - any way to change one of the two verbs to avoid repetition?
"The Senate votes to give Harding authority over flexible tariffs rates" => "The Senate votes to give Harding authority over flexible tariff rates"
"Harding meets with veteran's organization leaders" => "Harding meets with veterans' organization leaders" (more than one veteran in each organisation)
"Harding meets with Former Prime Minister of France" => "Harding meets with former Prime Minister of France" (there isn't an official position of "Former Prime Minister of France")
Think that's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I've addressed all of your comments, including context for all names where it's not evident who they are from context. (And for what it's worth, I've never seen a source that says Grant isn't an ethereal being from the dawn of civilization.) Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:27, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dank[edit]

Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
"This timeline includes notable events that took place during Harding's presidency, including the president's travels, speaking engagements, and notable meetings, as well as major government actions and other historical events that directly affected the presidency.": I don't know what's the best way to say this while complying with WP:FL?, WP:SELFREF and WP:V. I'm assuming you don't have reliable sources to back up the statement that these actions by Harding are the "notable" ones, that is, the ones that historians consider notable. See my last bullet point.
In cases where I added a period to a caption per MOS:CAPFRAG, if you'd prefer to avoid the period, then change the main verb to a participle (dedicates -> dedicating, for instance).
Some images need alt text (or, if nothing more needs to be said than what's in the caption, "alt ="). Check these subsections (but there are probably more): August 1921, November 1921, June 1922, November 1922.
Checking the FLC criteria:
1. I've skimmed the prose and made minor edits for the lead, the captions, and 1921; nothing big jumps out at me. I'll rely on the two previous prose reviews for the rest.
2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria (in a sense ... but see my last bullet point).
3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
3b. The list is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present. (Some take the position that retrieval dates would be needed for the newspaper citations, but some don't, and that would be a huge amount of work ... I don't recommend it, at least not in this case.)
3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
4. It is navigable.
5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine (except as noted about the alt text).
6. It is stable.
I'll support because this is excellent work, and because the problem I talk about in my second bullet point might be fixable, but I'll leave this to other reviewers to decide the issue. I hope you'll consider reviewing List of basal superasterid families or List of early-diverging flowering plant families or (whenever I can nominate it) List of nitrogen-fixing-clade families. - Dank (push to talk) 14:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; I think that the lack of precise definition/sourcing for what events are notable vs. not is an unavoidable bit of editorial judgement, which would be present whether or not you said it explicitly, so, promoting. --Pres N 13:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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