Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Territorial evolution of Canada/archive1
Territorial evolution of Canada[edit]
Self-nom; it seems to fit all of the FLC criteria, and the animated map of all of the changes is doing well on FPC so I figured I'd put its 'parent article' on FLC. :) It lacks individual citations because the one reference link at the end contains all of the information; thanks to the Atlas of Canada, all of this info was available from one place. --Golbez 10:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose(for now): Main problem is the lead, which is too short, and not very useful. The opening sentence "This is a list of the evolution of the borders of Canada" to me implies the list is about Canada's external borders only. Further, this is a timeline, rather than just a list, and the lead should reflect that. I also suggest including some basic information about Canada's provinces and territories and mentioning the difference between the Dominion of Canada and the Province of Canada. Also, given that the key on the images cannot be seen in the timeline, you should include a key somewhere near the top (see List of Alberta general elections for an example).
Having said all that, the content of the timeline is sound and well-referenced (although rather concise), so I see no reason why this won't become a FL after the lead has been dealt with. Tompw (talk) 12:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)- I added a key (simply a crop of one of the maps, until I or someone can make a table for the colors) and made the lead a little better. --Golbez 13:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I still feel that the lead is insufficient - two sentences just doesn't cut it. An article like this should be able to get a least a paragraph. Mention things like the pre-Dominion history (Quebec was originally French, but got annexed by GB; everythign else came from various (ex-)British colonies/dominions), something about the province of Canada and why it got replaced, the difference between provicnes and territroies, the fact that Canada obtained its present borders in 1949... you get the idea.
- I've added a little more to the intro, and along the way found an error in the text. Also expanded the second entry in the list. Let me know what you think. --Golbez 18:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's much better :-) The expanded second entry is also good.Any chnace any of the otehrs could follow suit? Tompw (talk) 21:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can do. Thanks for your support :) I mean, it's not like we've ever had articles like this before, so I'm learning as I go along! Just compare the first hurricane articles with what we have now! ;) --Golbez 23:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's much better :-) The expanded second entry is also good.Any chnace any of the otehrs could follow suit? Tompw (talk) 21:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've added a little more to the intro, and along the way found an error in the text. Also expanded the second entry in the list. Let me know what you think. --Golbez 18:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I still feel that the lead is insufficient - two sentences just doesn't cut it. An article like this should be able to get a least a paragraph. Mention things like the pre-Dominion history (Quebec was originally French, but got annexed by GB; everythign else came from various (ex-)British colonies/dominions), something about the province of Canada and why it got replaced, the difference between provicnes and territroies, the fact that Canada obtained its present borders in 1949... you get the idea.
- I added a key (simply a crop of one of the maps, until I or someone can make a table for the colors) and made the lead a little better. --Golbez 13:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- It may be instructive to see the comments on the FLC nomination of the similar Territorial evolution of the United States. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: I really like the maps, but it should be noted that the Manitoba article says Rupert's Land was transfered to Canada in 1869, one year before the creation of the province of Manitoba. -- Mwalcoff 14:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- According to Rupert's Land Act of 1868 - "The transfer occurred in 1869 and was consummated in 1870 by the payment of a consideration of £300,000.00 to the Hudson's Bay Company, as mandated by the Rupert's Land and North-Western Territory Order of 1870." In other words, I guess the transfer was 'consummated' simultaneous with the creation of Manitoba, and that was the date used by the Atlas of Canada, which is where I obtained most of my information. I don't think it's worth a change to the list, but it's certainly worth a note. Thanks! --Golbez 23:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- By "not worth a change to the list" I meant not worth an extra entry. :) --Golbez 23:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- According to Rupert's Land Act of 1868 - "The transfer occurred in 1869 and was consummated in 1870 by the payment of a consideration of £300,000.00 to the Hudson's Bay Company, as mandated by the Rupert's Land and North-Western Territory Order of 1870." In other words, I guess the transfer was 'consummated' simultaneous with the creation of Manitoba, and that was the date used by the Atlas of Canada, which is where I obtained most of my information. I don't think it's worth a change to the list, but it's certainly worth a note. Thanks! --Golbez 23:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Support Seems to meet all aspects of WP:WIAFL. I was at first leary of the lack of inline citations, but since the information is a) cited to a single source and b) likely to be uncontroversial. Other than that, this looks like a feature quality list. Good job! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 20:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- Support I agree with the previous comments. A similar approach could well be applied to other countries, in which case a uniform bench-mark standard should be applied. --JohnArmagh 12:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Support, looks good to me.--Wizardman 05:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)