Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NWA World Middleweight Championship/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 00:16, 25 August 2015 [1].

NWA World Middleweight Championship[edit]

Nominator(s): MPJ -US 01:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it hits all the marks for featured lists including an engaging lead, it is encompassing the subject, it is fully sourced with reliable sources, well written, it adheres to the list format for professional wrestling championships and the subject matter is definitely Feature List worthy as a number of professional wrestling championship lists are Featured Lists, including 12 articles I have previous led through the FL process. MPJ -US 01:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well nevermind, plans are made, plans change so I will be here and ready to review & improve this list. MPJ -Viva Esfinge 20:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "For the majority of its existence, it was featured by...." - not keen on the word "featured", maybe try "For the majority of its existence, it was defended in...."
  - Done
- "NWA Mexico previously tried to reclaim CMLL's three NWA-branded titles" should be "NWA Mexico had previously tried to reclaim CMLL's three NWA-branded titles". Also, when did this occur?
  - Made the change, researching if the sources mention when it was previously attempted to reclaim the championships
  - Doing some research the best I could find was "in 2008" but that was on luchawiki, so that's not a reliable source. Most of what I found basically said "previously" so until I find something reliable to support it I guess the article stays the way it is? MPJ-US 11:28, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - In that case I suggest that "NWA Mexico had previously tried to reclaim CMLL's three NWA-branded titles" be changed to "NWA Mexico had already tried to reclaim CMLL's three NWA-branded titles on a previous occasion" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Updated. MPJ-US 20:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- "Forty-five wrestlers have shared 84 NWA Middleweight Championship reigns" - per WP:MOSNUM, either both should be in digits or both should be in words
  - done, digits in both
    - That's great, however the MOS says that a sentence shouldn't start with a digit, so maybe move "Since 1939" to the start of the sentence..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - did not realize that, fixed. MPJ-US 20:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- For some of the title changes on early Anniversary Shows, the location is given in the table as unknown, but our articles on the shows do give locations??
  - That is a great catch, based on that I fixed the locations and applied the anniversary source to those reigns as well
  - I researched and found a few more locations. I used the cagematch citation for the location specifically. Cagematch is listed as a reliable source for wrestling results on the Pro wrestling source page.
- "The event promoted by the respective promotion in which the title changed hands" - the word "respective" does not belong there
  - Reworded
- "CMLL replaces the championship" - this is in the present tense, but all other notes are in the past tense
  - Fixed tense
- To work with the "reigns by combined length" table, notes 6 and 7 and also 8 and 9 should indicate which reigns they refer to, eg "The exact date on which René Guajardo vacated the championship during his Nth reign is unknown"
  - Fixed
Cheers, ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the great feedback, I have looked at the article so many times I had gone blind to some of the details, looking at your feedback everything makes sense to me. MPJ-US 08:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - all looks OK now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support and more importantly your input to improve the article. MPJ-US 18:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from West Virginian

MPJ-DK, while the prose of your lede meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section and your list meets Wikipedia:Featured list criteria, I do have one suggestion. Do you have inline citations for the sentence "The NWA has not determined a champion since." and inline citations for the sentences in the fifth paragraph of your list's lede? The content of the fifth paragraph is sourced in the list below, but it should also be sourced in the prose. Thank you for your efforts to improve this list and for your continued contributions to Wikipedia! -- West Virginian (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. I am not sure how to source that something did NOT happen since there is no official NWA Mexico site. I can look for a recent article stating that there is no Middleweight champion but that may be hard to find specifically, but there are a few options i can look through. I have some year end Lucha magazines, maybe a 2014 recap magazine that usually list champions? Not being on that list could source that? And yes some of the statements in the 5th paragraph can be explicitly sourced, although longest, shortest and most reigns is a synthesis of ALL table listed sources and would be quite a long string of citations, but i could put a note in to refer to the table sources and explain it. I will work on that today. I will let yoh know when I am done. MPJ-US 12:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support MPJ-DK, that is certainly not a deal breaker, especially since I too was unable to find a source that clearly stated that NWA had not determined a champion since 2010. Because the championship has not occurred since August 12, 2010, it could be assumed without even needing to state it that a champion has not been selected since. You could probably just omit the sentence entirely with that in mind. No need to source the fifth paragraph as those statements are gleaned from the prose below, which uses sufficient inline citations to verifiable references. I hereby support this list. Great job! -- West Virginian (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I took your suggestion on the sentence and just took it out. The list shows it and we are good. Thank you for your support. MPJ-US 15:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Not sure how it reads to a layman, but to me "He chose himself as the first champion, and won it in a Wrestle and Romance (WAR) match with Corazón de León" sounds like it's describing the type of match, not the promotion it was contested for. Perhaps the whole sentance could read: "He chose himself as the first champion, and won it in a match with Corazón de León for Wrestle and Romance (WAR) on November 8, 1994, in Korakuen Hall, after which he began promoting the title exclusively in Japan, holding it himself until vacating it in 1998."
"Dragón signed with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) and returned the championship to CMLL." - Was this freely given (as the wording implies) or did they buy it back given that he bought it originally?
Given that it's a red link it might be worth a quick aside to explain if NWA Mexico is a sub-division of, or a similar entity to, "the" NWA.
The timing of Dragon's first reign coincides with his famous J-Crown run; a quick glance at his article mentions that he held these belts separately--I don't think it's worth explaining why, but it might be worth pointing out that this wasn't one of the middle/cruiser/junior heavyweight belts that made the Crown up.
On a technical level everything's fine and WP:ACCESS seems fully met, and with this being inactive it's nice to have a discrete list that can pretty much be called "finished". I'm already leaning to support as is but ping me if you implement or even just respond to the above suggestions. GRAPPLE X 12:53, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Grapple X: I have addressed issues 1, 3 and 4. For issue 2 I do not have any proof if CMLL paid for it or he just gave it back since he worked with CMLL whenever he was in Mexico and co-promoted shows with them. Thank you for your input and support. MPJ -US 20:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. Happy to support. GRAPPLE X 16:29, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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