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Member states of the International Labour Organization[edit]

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Nominator(s): Goldsztajn (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it contains a comprehensive overview of the member states of the ILO. I've been working on the list on and off for 18 months and believe it is probably now the most complete article on the member states of any international organisation on Wikipedia. This is my first FLC. It was nominated for peer review, but received no feedback. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment
  • Per MOS:COLOR, a background colour alone cannot be used to indicate something, you need to add a symbol as well -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 09:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    A different option might be to add a column with a green tick or yellow tick denoting founding member or invited, respectively...? Goldsztajn (talk) 10:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The ticks would have to be in different columns, as having ticks of different colours in a single column would also violate MOS:COLOR.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That'll be a no, then. :) Thanks, again. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:51, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Done.
  • A few rows seem to be missing their rowscope- for example Republic of Vietnam and People's Democratic Republic of Yemen in the Former members section, and State of Palestine in the next section.
  • Done. I've done a check of every row, throughout all the tables, it should be there for all now.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for spotting these and brining to my attention. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • "presently has 187 member states"- per MOS:CURRENTLY, change this to a statement along the lines of "as of August 2022"
  • Done. Revised paragraphs one and two of the lede to accommodate.
  • "The ILO was founded in 1919" - you only just said that
  • Done.
  • Third para of the lead is unsourced
  • Only first sentence of the paragraph is not sourced elsewhere, added source for that sentence. Acceptable?
  • "Prior participation as part of the Soviet Union." - this is not a complete sentence so shouldn't have a full stop. Check for other such cases.
  • Done
  • "citing the organisation's lack of support to anti-colonial liberation movements" - here the British spelling of organisation is used, but earlier the American spelling was used
  • Done (technically, use here is Oxford English, but still a mistake in consistency nevertheless!)
  • Image caption "Visit of Haile Selaisse of Ethiopia to the ILO, August 1924." is also not a complete sentence
  • Done
  • Nor is "Stamp issued by the GDR (East Germany) commemorating the 50th anniversary of the founding of the ILO."
  • Done
  • "in the northern Spring of 1990" - spring is not a proper noun so doesn't need a capital S
  • Done
  • Ref 116 gives a Harv error (the date is wrong)
  • Done

Comments from Kavyansh[edit]

  • "Created in 1919" — Established would be more appropriate word, I think.
  • "of the Versailles Treaty" — Well, the official name is "Treaty of Versailles". We should be using that.
  • "Joseph Stalin (left) and Franklin Roosevelt (right)" — the WP:COMMONNAME is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
  • Ref#52: "Shtylla 1967, pp. 385–6." should be 386 for consistency
  • Suggesting to hyphenate ISBNs, using https://anticompositetools.toolforge.org/hyphenator/

That is all I have! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Kavyansh.Singh, all done. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 11:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley[edit]

  • "The ILO's rules allow admission without membership in the UN, but the conditions to be satisfied in this case are more complex than for a UN member state." There are several unreferenced statements in the lead. Most do not require refs as they are summaries of the table, but this statement does need a ref.
    • This information appeared in a note attached to the comment on Sudan's membership as prior to UN membership, but I have moved it to a more prominent location to make it clearer.
      • The statement still needs a ref. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • The information was referenced already, however, I've expanded the text and added further references (to the ILO Constitution itself, plus another source).
  • A list of 187 items should use Template:Compact TOC for ease of searching, as in List of municipalities in Arkansas.
    • Added.
  • I do not think it is necessary to give full formal names, such as "Bolivia (Plurinational State of)", but that is a matter of personal preference.
    • This is the way in which the ILO records the state's membership and this also matches the form in the UN member states article.
  • "Founding members appear with "+" and a blue background; states invited to be founding members appear with * and a khaki background." I do not see that the distinction is justifified. They all joined on the same date. The fact that some were signatories to the Versailles Treaty is not relevant so far as I can see.
  • Republic of Korea and Republic of Moldova. They should be listed alphabetically under Korea and Moldova, not Republic. Ditto United Republic of Tanzania.
    • As above, this is how the names of these states are recorded in the ILO membership list and matches the UN member states article.
      • I think that listing countries where readers will look for them should take priority over the ILO format, but it is not a deal breaker. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • I could add "For X see Y" rows with links for the three cases of this?
  • Where a country has resumed membership, you should say readmitted, not admitted. Ditto with the heading in the withdrawals table. You say "Since establishment, 19 states have withdrawn from membership, although all were subsequently readmitted. You sometimes imply a distinction between a former member being admitted or readmitted, but this is unclear and confusing.
    • Unfortunately, the sources are contradictory. For example, initially, the Baltic states were offered admission to the ILO in 1991, which they refused, demanding "readmission". I've used admission for all states which formally withdrew and rejoined, and readmission for states removed from membership, but did not formally withdraw.
  • " After the Second World War, the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) was admitted in 1951". Is there a reason you do not also mention the GDR here?
    • The GDR is mentioned in note B. However, I've moved that text to follow the mention of FRG joining in 1951 to make it clearer.
  • There are several cite errors showing up, particularly that the Frauman source is not used. For the script to show errors, see User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for spotting that, now removed. I don't see any other errors.
      • I get error messages on the citations, but they are minor. The messages refer for further information to [[Category:CS1 maint: url-status]]. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks for highlighting that; I wasn't able to see those, but have now been able to identify them individually. These seem to have been created through use of the autocitation function of the visual editor. All removed.
    • @Dudley Miles Thank you for these comments, working on them. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. My queries dealt with. I would delete the columns in the notes as two columns for three notes looks odd, but that is a minor point. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point about the notes; I've fixed that. Thanks again for the comments. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 12:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Reference reliability looks okay throughout the article. Here are some (small) formatting issues I discovered:

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
*The link-checker tool] found a couple of orange highlighted items (in addition to it not liking the ILO site in general for some reason).
  • In reference 8, the publisher (International Labour Organization) isn't italicized when it is in the other cites from that website. Ref 81 has the same issue. This should be made consistent throughout.
  • Refs 81, 86, 147, 149 and 166 (x2) have hyphens in their titles that should be converted into en dashes for style.
  • The Upham, Valticos and Wallace books also need en dashes for their year ranges in the titles.
  • Refs 93 and 149 have all caps in the title that should be taken out. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Giants2008 thanks for these, I've corrected all of them but one. On the link checker tool, it registers the link to Hansard of the UK Parliament as dead, which is not the case. In that case, I've add an archive url to the footnote. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With the above items fixed, I'd say the source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 13:59, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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