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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:43, 10 May 2009 [1].

List of number-one albums of 2008 (Japan)[edit]

Nominator(s): ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it meets WP:FL's criteria and feedback could also help the article improve, if needed. ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 03:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Lead
  • "The data is compiled by Oricon based on each album's weekly physical sales. In 2008, 37 albums reached the peak of the chart." -- per other FLs, "is" should be are
  • This wasn't done.--Truco 22:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 23:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "R&B singer Namie Amuro's Best Fiction remained at the top of the charts from its issue date of August 11 until September 15." -- 1) Do not link R&B, its too common of a genre per WP:OVERLINK 2)You need to clarify a bit further that this is the longest chart run in 2008
Could you give me some suggestions? I'm drawing a blank. ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 17:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, just add a phrase in the sentence that states that it had the longest chart run at number one for 2008.--Truco 22:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 23:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Amuro became the first solo female artist in 28 years to have a album at number one for so long; the record is held by Saki Kubota (久保田早紀 ,Kubota Saki?), who had a album at number one for seven consecutive weeks in 1980." --> Amuro became the first solo female artist in 28 years to have an album chart number one for an extended time; the record was previously held by Saki Kubota (久保田早紀 ,Kubota Saki?), who had a album at number one for seven consecutive weeks in 1980.
  • "Pop singer Mariya Takeuchi's greatest hits album, Expressions, stayed atop the Oricon for three consecutive weeks, making her the first artist over 50 years old to accomplish this." -- 1)Unlink Pop, its also a common genre 2)Remove the commas before and after Expressions 3)Is it proper to state it as "the Oricon"? [ this applies to all instances] 4)I think it would read better if it was written as over 50 years of age instead of "old"
  • "Rock singer Yui's b-side album, My Short Stories, debuted atop the charts, making her the second female artist after Seiko Matsuda to have a b-side debut at the top." --> Rock singer Yui's b-side album My Short Stories debuted atop the charts, making her the second female artist after Seiko Matsuda to have a b-side debut at the top.
  • "The second best-selling album was Amuro's Best Fiction with 1,447,149 sales, followed by pop folk band Kobukuro's 5296 with 1,404,658." -- There should be commas before the "with"'s
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  • "R&B singer Namie Amuro's greatest hits album, Best Fiction, stayed atop the Oricon for six consecutive weeks making it the longest-running number-one album and second best-selling album of 2008." --Remove the link to R&B, remove the commas before and and after the album name, and add a comma before "making"
  • "Pop singer BoA became the second artist to have six consecutive number-one albums." -- Remove the link from "pop"
References
  • Per WP:ACCESS, only have 2 rows of refs, not 3.
See also
  • The see also section goes before the referenes--Truco 17:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

done ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 17:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support -- Previous issues resolved; the list now meets WP:WIAFL. Great work for one of the first album lists from Japan.--Truco 14:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "issue date of August 11 until September 15" "until"-->to
  • "have an album chart number one for an extended time" What is an "extended time"?
  • "Other artists that had extended runs" "that"-->who
  • "since their debut"-->since her debut
  • "to have a number-one album on the charts."-->to have an album reach number one.
  • "B'z The Best "Ultra Pleasure" was hard rock duo B'z's twenty-second number-one album, allowing them to surpass Yumi Matsutoya in having the most number-one albums."-->B'z The Best "Ultra Pleasure" was hard rock duo B'z's twenty-second number-one album, surpassing Yumi Matsutoya for having the most number-one albums.
  • "b-side"-->B-side
  • "second best-selling"-->second-best-selling
  • "The second best-selling album was Amuro's Best Fiction, with 1,447,149 sales, followed by pop folk band Kobukuro's 5296 with, 1,404,658."-->The second-best-selling album was Amuro's Best Fiction, which sold 1,447,149 copies, followed by pop folk band Kobukuro's 5296, with 1,404,658 albums sold.
  • Don't put 2008 in music in the See also section because it is already linked in the lead.
  • "M-flo"-->M-Flo Dabomb87 (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 16:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Companies and websites (e.g. Oricon and Excite) should not be italicized. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how to remove the italicization. The cite web template did that itself. ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 16:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Change work= to publisher= in the templates. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 16:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the MOS, link titles in the references shouldn't be in all capitals, even when they are in the original. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done? Does that exclude YMO, SMAP, and KAT-TUN? Because all three are acronyms. ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 18:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't change BoA to Boa because her name is also an acronym. So I think I answered all of your concerns. ~Moon~月と暁~Sunrise~ 20:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove "which is"?
Done. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "2008" looks like a useless sea of trivia in the year article. For hidden links like this, why not instead list them in the "See also" section (UNpiped and possibly with your expert comment for readers). Otherwise, no one's gonna click on them. And separate the numbers: "In 2008 alone, 37 albums reached the peak of the chart." ... or put "in 2008" at the end of the sentence. Or "2008 saw 37" ...
Done. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "eighteen" but "28"? See WP:MOSNUM on spelling out.
Changed. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • in 2008, not of?
Changed. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1,447,149 copies"? I hope it's iron-clad accurate; otherwise, don't repeat your source's unreasonable claim to accuracy: "more than 1.4 million copies" ... easier to read, too. Same one second later.
The source clearly says the number of the sales. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think what Tony is saying is that it's a super-extraordinary claim, and one that should be supported by more than one reference. Narrowing down to such an accurate figure is dangerous. "The best-selling album overall of 2008 was R&B group Exile's Exile Love, released in late 2007, which sold 1,470,959 copies. The second-best-selling album was Amuro's Best Fiction, which sold 1,447,149 copies, followed by pop folk band Kobukuro's 5296, with 1,404,658 albums sold." For one thing, the reference is dated December 11; that leaves 20 more days in 2008 to accumulate more sales, meaning the figure is probably wrong (and yes, I'm aware of Verifiability vs Truth). If the paragraph said "The best-selling album overall of 2008 was R&B group Exile's Exile Love, released in late 2007, which sold over 1,470,000 copies. The second-best-selling album was Amuro's Best Fiction, which sold more than 1,447,000 copies, followed by pop folk band Kobukuro's 5296, with nearly 1,405,000 albums sold." it's still correct and the source still verifies the statement. Please follow up with Tony at his talk page to make sure that I'm not putting words in his mouth, though. His concern may be different and I've interpreted it wrong. One other thing here, could you do something about the "parastub"biness of the two sentences? Matthewedwards :  Chat  06:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oricon starts it's new chart in the middle of December of the previous year and ends it in the middle of December the current year. The sale figures are correct. Any sales made after the yearly chart is posted and ends gets counted into the new yearly chart, in this case the 2009 yearly chart. The source which supports the claim is from the Oricon itself, which is the official chart in Japan. Anyway I'll ask him if that's what he meant. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 12:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you widen the first column so that it's more likely to avoid the wrapping of many of the dates? Rob from the second (or better, the last) column.
I don't know how to widen the columns. Can you tell me how? 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • So the nav-box should be tucked away right down the bottom?
List of number-one albums of 2008 (U.S.) has the box at the bottom. Where do you propose I put it then? 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 11:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think this one will be fine also; the navbox placement is a WikiProject standard. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it probably will pass, but needs a little finishing off. Tony (talk) 06:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
    • "a B-side debut " B-side album debut...
    • Shouldn't Best Fiction and 5296 be in italics (last para of lead)?
    • "twenty three" - 23 per MOSNUM. Check for others.
    • Just Reference is fine, you don't appear to have any instances of multiple refs on one line.
    • Issue Date -> Issue date.
    • A shame that there are so few English references, what with this being English Wikipedia and all!
  • The Rambling Man (talk) 09:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 12:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • Moon, the hyper-accurate figure is no big deal. Matthew explains it perfectly: which particular hour was that arrived at? It will remain for ages until updated in this list. But it was only a thought. Tony (talk) 17:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - why does dates of chart go from April 7 to April 19? And the publication date of the reference for the album on April 19 is April 10 - did they predict the future? Same with ref 23, dated 1 April but used to reference April 7 charts... Perhaps there's a simple explanation for this? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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